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Religion / Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by shadeyinka(m): 9:42am On Oct 02, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:The answer is too Simple: Can God make a mistake? God cannot make a mistake. The problem is a person who assumes that he is saved because he said the sinner's prayer after an alter call BUT who didn't become a new creature in Christ. We know that we are not saved by Prayers but by Grace through FAITH. There are many reasons why a person will say the sinner's prayer BUT because of his wrong reasons, he lacks the necessary faith for salvation. Such people will claim to be saved (and it may be difficult to fault their salvation testimony). However, because they were never saved in the first place, they dress like the saved, speak like the saved, act like the saved but are NOT a new creature. These are the kind of people who live in SIN and expect GRACE to abound. They are the people who justify their INIQUITY and UNRIGHTEOUSNESS in the name of Gods perpetual Grace Summary: No one can add to the finished work of Christ as per our salvation. If a person is saved indeed, it will reflect in his NEW nature that detest and hate sin Our salvation had been perfected even before the foundation of the World |
Religion / Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by shadeyinka(m): 7:38am On Oct 02, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:There are two extreme positions Position 1. You are saved by Grace AND this grace give you license to sin Position 2. Even though you are saved by Grace, it is not sufficient for salvation AND it requires our righteousness and works for it for it to work. The proper position of the two schools of presentation is Position 1 You are saved by Grace and Christ's atoning blood TRANSFORM a sinner into into a person with a NEW nature that hates sin and naturally does good works Position 2. You are saved by Grace and Christ's atoning blood the EVIDENCE is a person that hates sin and naturally does good works I don't know if there is any argument against these two positions |
Foreign Affairs / Re: Iran Is A MONTH Away From Having Enough Lethal Uranium To Build Nuclear Bomb(Pix by shadeyinka(m): 10:36pm On Sep 14, 2021 |
timesup234:There are so many sango worshipers who are muslims? |
Foreign Affairs / Re: Iran Is A MONTH Away From Having Enough Lethal Uranium To Build Nuclear Bomb(Pix by shadeyinka(m): 9:44pm On Sep 14, 2021 |
timesup234:Only muslims think like this! 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 7:49pm On Sep 13, 2021 |
BassReeves:? ? ? |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 7:48pm On Sep 13, 2021 |
BassReeves:What is the difference between spiritual gifts and natural talent?. They both come from God isnt it? |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 7:21pm On Sep 13, 2021 |
BassReeves:No! BassReeves:A believer has at least ONE spiritual gift BassReeves:No, they do not! They all operated in faith but They do not have the spiritual Gift of Faith. I can play football, but I don't have the necessary skill to be a footballer I draw, but I don't have the necessary skills to be an artist. I sing, yet I am not a gifted singer. If you can understand the three examples above. Ronaldo, J.J. Okocha have the natural giftings of football playing not just anyone who can kick a football |
Family / Re: My Dad Has Refused To Rest In Peace Because Of His Monetary Vow In Church by shadeyinka(m): 6:53pm On Sep 13, 2021 |
James4358:What you are seeing in NOT your father. It is a familiar spirit/ demon putting on his face. The dead have finished their work, they can't add to it. The demon is bent on wasting your finances. Moreover, it's your dad not you who made a vow. |
Romance / Re: My Girlfriend Cheated And She Told Me, How Do I React? by shadeyinka(m): 6:47pm On Sep 13, 2021 |
Obinna53:She told you. You didn't catch her. She is remorseful: she regretted her actions. Forgive and move on. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 6:56am On Sep 13, 2021 |
BassReeves:Are all Christians having the Gift of Faith? Are all Christians having the Gift of Giving? Are all Christians having the Gift of Discernment of Spirits? Are All Christian having the gifts and calling of the Evangelist? Are All Christian having the gifts and calling of the Teacher? 1 Corinthians 12:29-30 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to TEACH and DISCIPLE others? BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to have FAITH? BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to GIVE? BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to EVANGELISE others? According to 1 Corinthians 12:29-30, christians DO NOT have all the gifts even though we are ALL expected to function in some areas (with or without a special gifting for such) |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 6:31am On Sep 13, 2021 |
BassReeves:Any ability that can be learnt is NOT a spiritual gift BUT a Natural talent. There is a difference between your Natural Talent and Your Spiritual Gifts. Spiritual Gifts are supernatural abilities given by the Holy Spirit to a child of God for the building up of the body of Christ. It is possible for a person's talents to be upgraded to a Spiritual Gift but a talent is NOT a spiritual gift. A natural talent is a GIFT of God BUT it isn't a spiritual gift exe3pt your understanding of the definition of spiritual gift is warped. 1 Cor 4:8 For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not? Our senses are gifts of God, YET they aren't Spiritual Gifts: they are natural |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 6:20am On Sep 13, 2021 |
BassReeves:Some words are not fit for Gods children BassReeves:Pardon me, your phrase "the father!" was mistaken for God the Father (as there was never a pre-reference to this father) I assumed you speak the unthinkable. BassReeves:Your problem I think is that you have no clue as to the differences between the GIFT of faith and faith in use. The father of the boy obviously had little Faith BUT not the gift of Faith. The GIFT of the holy Spirit is only Given to a person who has been given the Holy Spirit: in Him (through the Holy Spirit) in us do we have the GIFT. The gifts of the holy Spirit include the OFFICE GIFTs (Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, Evangelist and Pastor) and the SERVICE GIFTs( Faith, the gifts of Healing, the gift of Miracles, the Discernment of spirits, Diverse kinds of Tongues, Interpretation of Tongues). If your claim is that an unbeliever ALREADY have these gifts, the implication is that the gifts are not given either AT or AFTER Salvation, there is no reason for the Holy Spirit to be Received 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 “But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.” 1 Corinthians 12:27-31 27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts. By your admission, even Muslims, Idol worshippers and Atheists ALREADY have the gifts of the Holy Spirit only that they are in small sizes SMH! |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:59pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
BassReeves: I honestly don't know where the modern day Christians get their doctrines. You swallow whatever you heard from your big men of God withouth thinking 1. If the Father has the Gift of Faith, who Gave Him Hebrew 11:3 3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. 2. Where did the Father ask Jesus for Help with respect to His Faith? You have surely confused yourself o. Is there a scripture to justify this? BassReeves:When does a person receive the gift of faith? If we already have the gift of faith, why are we commanded to have faith in God? Don't just swallow whatever you hear sweet mouthed preachers preach. |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:47pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
BassReeves:I learnt my mother tongue Yoruba I learnt the Nigerian Lingua Franca: English Language Even, the unbelievers learnt the same set of languages, how then can they be SPIRITUAL GIFTS? What is special with my ability to Speak Yoruba when the IFA Herbalist speak a better Yoruba than me? |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:43pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
BassReeves:1 Corinthians 12:30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? According to the scripture above does every believer have the gift of healing? According to the scripture above does every believer have the gift of tongues? According to the scripture above does every believer have the gift of interpretation of tongues? Does it mean that the believers referred to were dumb (for obviously they obviously spoke at least Hebrew or Greek) |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:31pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:You'll rather want it to read: These signs shall follow them who pray in tongues...but it didn't read that: the promise is to those who BELIEVE! Please, sit down with the Scriptures and with the Holy Spirit and ask Questions! You will surely FIND, just as I did. Forget the popular opinions Forget the big men of God we rever so much You shall know the truth, and the TRUTH shall set you FREE says Master Jesus! |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:27pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Just one scripture that commands us to ALL pray in tongues? I am saying concentrate on the other things rather than praying in tongues as praying in tongues is not useful for PUBLIC exhortation. Your problem is not knowing the DIFFERENCE between the GIFT of tongues (which is useful for public exhortation) and the operation in tongues (praying in tongues) for personal edification. Until you know the difference will you have a breakthrough in ministry. I am saying without mincing words that most christians who specialize in praying in tongues are empty barrels that make loud noise in terms of their Public Ministry! This is the plain truth: just look around and see! |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:20pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Jesus didn't do any miracles with tongues The disciples didn't perform any miracle with tongues The all preached, healed, delivered and ministered in understanding. I choose to imitate Jesus and the disciples in ministry! Its not about whipping up emotions, it is about doing the WORK of the ministry through FAITH in the FINISHED work of Christ 1 Like |
Politics / Re: VAT: More States Oppose FIRS, Ogun, Edo, Akwa Ibom Consider Tax Laws by shadeyinka(m): 9:13pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Ilaumoh:Good, Restructuring has started small small 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 9:09pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:After praying in tongues, what is next? Go out and be minister of Christ's presence in Evangelism, Healing, Deliverance and Discipleship. If everything just revolves around praying in tongues, you're just like an overfed baby who does no exercise. After the tongues, what next? more tongues or ministry? |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 9:05pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:You didn't answer the questions. |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 9:04pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Your ideas are limiting YOU. You are locked in praying in tongues that you are blind to see that you already have the power you refuse to use. This is why the best many christians can do is to pray in tongues with nothing else in terms of service. Even common evangelism, the best they can do is to say "come to my church" instead of linking the unbeliever to Christ. |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:59pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:These sign shall follow them that BELIEVE (not pray in tongues) -casting out demons -taking up serpents -drink deadly things -healing the sick Not necessarily that they have the Spiritual gifts but the Power to do... |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:52pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:What I am saying is that (even though I don't despise praying in tongues), God does His work through me and I don't even have to speak in tongues to be used. There is too much noise in the church and it is causing believers to lose their identity in Christ. If you have any experience with casting out demons, you will know that tongues don't get the job done. It is your stand in Faith and Authority of Christ Jesus. BTW, some demonized people also speak in tongues at the point of their deliverance. |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:46pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Your first and third sentence are Correct. Your second sentence is a contradiction of your first sentence. Does salvation occur gradually? What is the time of salvation and how is it different from the moment a person become saved. Bishopkingsley:Correct. And it includes our spiritual Giftings Bishopkingsley:Correct. But this is what you teach: You claim contrary to the above that after salvation, a person now has to seek the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues Bishopkingsley:The power of the Holy Spirit is already resident in a person who has Christ. The problem is Faithlessness. I told you I used to think I had the gift of Faith: Why? Because God was using me to heal people (particularly students while I was teaching at a Polytechnic): it didn't matter whether they were Christians or Muslims, they were getting healed. When a child of God make himself available, the Power of Christ flows (Gift or not) God still uses me to heal till today, but it isn't my spiritual gift: I just make myself available Bishopkingsley:Tongues is NOT the Holy Spirit The Holy Spirit is NOT tongues. The Holy Spirit is the SEAL of all who are Christs own. Your emphasis shouldn't be tongues BUT yieldedness to the Holy Spirit who is in You There is a difference but subtly, you mix them up |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:23pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
BassReeves:It seems you don't know the distinction between the Gift of Faith and the Operation in Faith! Every Christian is commanded and expected to have Faith But Not every Christian have the Gift of Faith The Gift of Faith is a Supernatural Ability given by the Holy Spirit to a Child of God to be able to TRUST God's position in exceptionally difficult and naturally impossible situations. ...it will rain today when there is no sign of rain (harmathan) ...you are healed ---when the man is medically dying ...he is not dead---when the doctors have pronounced him dead Faith is just trusting God's Word and His integrity: even an unbeliever can have faith on hearing the word of God for salvation Finally, all spiritual gifts of the same kind do not have the same operation neither do they have the same magnitude (size). My gift of healing may be able to heal the sick but another Christians gift of healing can restore eyes to the blind from birth. Every Christian act according to their level of faith, use (experience) and devotion to God with respect to their spiritual gifts. |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:10pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:You know the truth! There is not one difference of true children of God whether they speak in tongues or not except they are not operating in FAITH! Jesus gave every child of His power to tread upon snakes and scorpions and on every power of the enemy. This has nothing to do with tongues. What is the difference between the efficacy of prayer in understanding and prayer without understanding? |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:04pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:This your wrong teaching: I know Holy Spirit far much more than you think. He speaks to me----- the first word i ever heard Him speak directly was a one word answer NO! (that was in my undergraduate days) He guides me ------ "...yinka, take your hand away from the window...cover your eyes.... see, the glory of a man" He empowers me to serve Him----I am glad to be used by Him in healing and Deliverance. He chastises me when I go wrong------countless times He teaches me and gives me understanding of the scriptures and the will of the Father---- He give me Words of Knowledge and Words of Wisdom---- Praying in Tongues is not a power gift. Thes below are examples of Power gifts. They are called power gifts not because of anything but because they are undenyable gifts when in operation (they change things directly in the Physical realm) Healing, Deliverance, Faith, Miracles, Discernment of Spirits, Prophecy Certainly, not glossa. Tongues when the hearers hear in their own language is the only spectacular side of the gift of tongues It is not wrong to pray in tongues BUT praying in tongues is NOT a spiritual gift. |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 7:36pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Isnt the highlight in YELLOW my position? If you have Jesus, you have everything LIFE, HOLY SPIRIT, GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT, POWER etc You have Jesus at salvation isnt it? You are not quoting me properly, that is why you seem to be misunderstanding my question. I said: "I asked is there a spiritual gift that every Christian should have?" You mentioned three ministers of God in your response and I asked about every Christian |
Romance / Re: Why Do People Cheat On People They Love?? by shadeyinka(m): 5:07pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Beebah2000:Love and Lust don't go together. 1 Like 1 Share |
Romance / Re: He Doesn't Want A Relationship BUT... by shadeyinka(m): 4:59pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
empress101:He has told you the truth, he doesn't want a relationship with you. Break off before you claim he broke your heart. |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 4:46pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:I asked is there a spiritual gift that every Christian should have? ..and your answer is meaningless....gift of the holy spirit!? I was expecting that you will say prophecy, or tongues or faith etc. You will see that even though all Christians are required to have faith, not all Christians have the gift of faith! The same with tongues! |
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