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Religion / Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by shadeyinka(m): 9:42am On Oct 02, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


You said Bible truth but now the question is

When God chose you and saves you are you saved forever or not?

That is the main thing that those who don't know how powerful God is question.
The answer is too Simple:
Can God make a mistake?


God cannot make a mistake. The problem is a person who assumes that he is saved because he said the sinner's prayer after an alter call BUT who didn't become a new creature in Christ.

We know that we are not saved by Prayers but by Grace through FAITH.

There are many reasons why a person will say the sinner's prayer BUT because of his wrong reasons, he lacks the necessary faith for salvation. Such people will claim to be saved (and it may be difficult to fault their salvation testimony). However, because they were never saved in the first place, they dress like the saved, speak like the saved, act like the saved but are NOT a new creature.
These are the kind of people who live in SIN and expect GRACE to abound.
They are the people who justify their INIQUITY and UNRIGHTEOUSNESS in the name of Gods perpetual Grace


Summary:
No one can add to the finished work of Christ as per our salvation.
If a person is saved indeed, it will reflect in his NEW nature that detest and hate sin
Our salvation had been perfected even before the foundation of the World
Religion / Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by shadeyinka(m): 7:38am On Oct 02, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
Shadeyinka have you seen what we once argued about that false grace teachers have taught prostitites and liars that they are saved and can continue in their sins as long as they believe?

Now you are not here to tell them what you always told me
There are two extreme positions
Position 1. You are saved by Grace AND this grace give you license to sin
Position 2. Even though you are saved by Grace, it is not sufficient for salvation AND it requires our righteousness and works for it for it to work.

The proper position of the two schools of presentation is

Position 1 You are saved by Grace and Christ's atoning blood TRANSFORM a sinner into into a person with a NEW nature that hates sin and naturally does good works
Position 2. You are saved by Grace and Christ's atoning blood the EVIDENCE is a person that hates sin and naturally does good works


I don't know if there is any argument against these two positions
Foreign Affairs / Re: Iran Is A MONTH Away From Having Enough Lethal Uranium To Build Nuclear Bomb(Pix by shadeyinka(m): 10:36pm On Sep 14, 2021
timesup234:
Only muslims? I am a shango worshipper operating from the highest realm of olokun, ayelala and ogun
There are so many sango worshipers who are muslims?
Foreign Affairs / Re: Iran Is A MONTH Away From Having Enough Lethal Uranium To Build Nuclear Bomb(Pix by shadeyinka(m): 9:44pm On Sep 14, 2021
timesup234:
It is a shame the world will remain in a brainwashed stage in another 20yrs. Iran has every right to develop nuclear weapon. Israel is the real terrorist in the middle east. Israel has no right to exist. Zionism is the cause of all the problems in our world today. Israel must seize to exist
Only muslims think like this!

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Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 7:49pm On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
I paid you back in your own currency

From now on, be quick to listen, slow to speak or type

Thats exactly what your problem is. You think wrongly because I'll run circles round you, telling you about the GIFT of faith and faith in use.

You are nothing other than a comedian who really shouldn't be taking seriously. I suppose on the strength of the nonsense comment you typed here, you're going rip out of your bible, the Hebrew's Hall of faith fame list. Hmm?

You're worse than a Pharisee. You're a 21st century Far-I See

Be busy under the influence of Satan be doing a contextomy with my comments
? ? ?
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 7:48pm On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
James 1:17
'Whatever is good and perfect is a gift coming down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens.
He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.
'
What is the difference between spiritual gifts and natural talent?. They both come from God isnt it?
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 7:21pm On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
You better reply to my post, asking. So you want to play hardball. Right?
No problem, I know how to play hardball. Lets play hardball with you then
1. Do all believers have equal and exact measure of spiritual gifts?
No!

BassReeves:

2. Are there believers, in your understanding, who have absolutely nothing spiritual gifts?
A believer has at least ONE spiritual gift


BassReeves:

3. Did Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Rahab, David, Mary etc have any spiritual gift of faith at all or not?
No, they do not! They all operated in faith but They do not have the spiritual Gift of Faith.

I can play football, but I don't have the necessary skill to be a footballer

I draw, but I don't have the necessary skills to be an artist.

I sing, yet I am not a gifted singer.

If you can understand the three examples above.

Ronaldo, J.J. Okocha have the natural giftings of football playing not just anyone who can kick a football
Family / Re: My Dad Has Refused To Rest In Peace Because Of His Monetary Vow In Church by shadeyinka(m): 6:53pm On Sep 13, 2021
James4358:
Hello my nairaland family. I'll make this post short & precise... I buried my dad around april this year.

Am the only available child, as my elder brother relocated abroad in january & has refused to make contact. I took a loan to sponsor my bro's trip abroad, & also took another loan from my bank to partly sponsor the burial as all the family burden rested on my shoulders..

Last month, my dad appeared in a dream telling me to hurry up in paying a vow he made in church of abt 50k before he died. I was warming up to pay the vow this month's ending as am stil servicing the loans i got from my bank.

He appeared last week to remind me but yesterday night's own came with severe flocking. Am stil feeling the pains from the cain he used at my back & joints..

How do i contain him before month end when i'll be bouyant to pay the vow.

Am afraid he may return with more beatings,. & am jst 30yrs old, & wouldnt want to have any part of my body deformed as a result.

Your suggestions wil be greatly appreciated!
What you are seeing in NOT your father. It is a familiar spirit/ demon putting on his face. The dead have finished their work, they can't add to it. The demon is bent on wasting your finances.

Moreover, it's your dad not you who made a vow.
Romance / Re: My Girlfriend Cheated And She Told Me, How Do I React? by shadeyinka(m): 6:47pm On Sep 13, 2021
Obinna53:
There's this Girl, I love so much,so one Day she went to stay at a Friends place for a justifiable reason.The next Day she came back Home everything was fine but after a couple of Days I noticed how fragile she became and always had this pity face.Then she sat me down one Day crying and told me she wanted to tell me something and Should Forgive her Please and Boom!!! She Told me what ensured between her and the Guy that Night,Right now I am really Moody, I would like to here your Individual Opinion on this Situation and how you handled it, if you had like my Experience, Thank You

She told you.
You didn't catch her.
She is remorseful: she regretted her actions.

Forgive and move on.

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Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 6:56am On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
So you want to play hardball. Right?
No problem, I know how to play hardball. Lets play hardball with you then
1. Do all believers have equal and exact measure of spiritual gifts?
2. Are there believers, in your understanding, who have absolutely nothing spiritual gifts?
3. Did Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Rahab, David, Mary etc have any spiritual gift of faith at all?

Acts 2:1-13
'1When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place,
2and suddenly a sound came from heaven like a rushing violent wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
3There appeared to them tongues resembling fire, which were being distributed [among them], and they rested on each one of them [as each person received the Holy Spirit].
4And they were all filled [that is, diffused throughout their being] with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues (different languages), as the Spirit was giving them the ability to speak out [clearly and appropriately].
5Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout and God-fearing men from every nation under heaven.
6And when this sound was heard, a crowd gathered, and they were bewildered because each one was hearing those in the upper room speaking in his own language or dialect.
7They were completely astonished, saying, “Look! Are not all of these who are speaking Galileans?
8Then how is it that each of us hears in our own language or native dialect?
9[Among us there are] Parthians, Medes and Elamites, and people of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia [Minor], 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and the visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes (Gentile converts to Judaism),
11Cretans and Arabs--we all hear them speaking in our [native] tongues about the mighty works of God!”
12And they were beside themselves with amazement and were greatly perplexed, saying one to another, “What could this mean?”
13But others were laughing and joking and ridiculing them, saying, “They are full of sweet wine and are drunk!”
'

Of course, the visitors from Rome at least, would hear the Gospel spoken to them in Greek




Are all Christians having the Gift of Faith?
Are all Christians having the Gift of Giving?
Are all Christians having the Gift of Discernment of Spirits?
Are All Christian having the gifts and calling of the Evangelist?
Are All Christian having the gifts and calling of the Teacher?

1 Corinthians 12:29-30
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?


BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to TEACH and DISCIPLE others?
BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to have FAITH?
BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to GIVE?
BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to EVANGELISE others?

According to 1 Corinthians 12:29-30, christians DO NOT have all the gifts even though we are ALL expected to function in some areas (with or without a special gifting for such)
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 6:31am On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
What is special, is that you are, at least, not dumb.

The ability to speak is a spiritual gift from God. Often you'll hear people say that it is a spiritual attack that's the reason behind someoneone being deaf and dumb. Isnt it that how you hear some people trying to rationalise the cause or reason for the deafness and dumbness?
Any ability that can be learnt is NOT a spiritual gift BUT a Natural talent.

There is a difference between your Natural Talent and Your Spiritual Gifts.
Spiritual Gifts are supernatural abilities given by the Holy Spirit to a child of God for the building up of the body of Christ.
It is possible for a person's talents to be upgraded to a Spiritual Gift but a talent is NOT a spiritual gift.

A natural talent is a GIFT of God BUT it isn't a spiritual gift exe3pt your understanding of the definition of spiritual gift is warped.
1 Cor 4:8
For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?


Our senses are gifts of God, YET they aren't Spiritual Gifts: they are natural
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 6:20am On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
Probably same source and place you get yours from. I think you share the same dealer with them

Are you normal? Have you come off your medication or you've been hacked into?
Some words are not fit for Gods children


BassReeves:

Mark 9:24
'17A man in the crowd answered, “Teacher, I brought my son to you, because he has an evil spirit in him and cannot talk.
18Whenever the spirit attacks him, it throws him to the ground, and he foams at the mouth, grits his teeth, and becomes stiff all over. I asked your disciples to drive the spirit out, but they could not.”
19Jesus said to them, “How unbelieving you people are! How long must I stay with you? How long do I have to put up with you? Bring the boy to me!”
20They brought him to Jesus.
As soon as the spirit saw Jesus, it threw the boy into a fit, so that he fell on the ground and rolled around, foaming at the mouth.
21“How long has he been like this?” Jesus asked the father.
“Ever since he was a child,” he replied.
22“Many times the evil spirit has tried to kill him by throwing him in the fire and into water. Have pity on us and help us, if you possibly can!”

23“Yes,” said Jesus, “if you yourself can! Everything is possible for the person who has faith.”
24The father at once cried out, "I do have faith, but not enough. Help me have more!"'

I repeat that the father had the Gift of Faith, but wasn't able to wield the faith into operation. His faith wasn't functioning well enough, hence he cried out to Jesus, to help him maximise his operation in faith

Every good gift comes from above, so means it was God who gave the father the gift

Its you who is utterly confused about all this. The Father asked Jesus for Help with respect to His Faith at Mark 9:24
Pardon me, your phrase "the father!" was mistaken for God the Father (as there was never a pre-reference to this father) I assumed you speak the unthinkable.

BassReeves:

Hebrews 11:6
'But without faith it is impossible to [walk with God and] please Him,
for whoever comes [near] to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists
and that He rewards those who [earnestly and diligently] seek Him
'

It is because faith is the currency of the Kingdom of Heaven. Also that, without faith, it is impossible to please God.

The acid in my stomach neutralises whatever I hear ignoranuses like you and sweet mouthed preachers preach
Mind you, faith comes in different sizes
Your problem I think is that you have no clue as to the differences between the GIFT of faith and faith in use.

The father of the boy obviously had little Faith BUT not the gift of Faith.
The GIFT of the holy Spirit is only Given to a person who has been given the Holy Spirit: in Him (through the Holy Spirit) in us do we have the GIFT.

The gifts of the holy Spirit include the OFFICE GIFTs (Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, Evangelist and Pastor) and the SERVICE GIFTs( Faith, the gifts of Healing, the gift of Miracles, the Discernment of spirits, Diverse kinds of Tongues, Interpretation of Tongues).

If your claim is that an unbeliever ALREADY have these gifts, the implication is that the gifts are not given either AT or AFTER Salvation, there is no reason for the Holy Spirit to be Received

1 Corinthians 12:7-11
“But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.”



1 Corinthians 12:27-31
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.

By your admission, even Muslims, Idol worshippers and Atheists ALREADY have the gifts of the Holy Spirit only that they are in small sizes SMH!
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:59pm On Sep 12, 2021
BassReeves:
It seems you don't know that the father had the Gift of Faith, but wasn't able to wield the faith into operation. His faith wasn't functioning well enough, hence he cried out to Jesus, to help him maximise his operation in faith

I honestly don't know where the modern day Christians get their doctrines.
You swallow whatever you heard from your big men of God withouth thinking
1. If the Father has the Gift of Faith, who Gave Him
Hebrew 11:3
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

2. Where did the Father ask Jesus for Help with respect to His Faith?

You have surely confused yourself o. Is there a scripture to justify this?


BassReeves:

You'll talking codswallop if you're saying not all believers have the gift of faith

2 Timothy 1:7 NKJV
'For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind'

Do you know what FEAR, stands for? It stands for 'False Evidence Appearing Real'
Tell me, what is the one word, remedy, for fear or tell me what the one word antidote to fear is?

Hebrews 11:1
'Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.'

Romans 10:17
'So faith comes from hearing [what is told],
and what is heard comes by the [preaching of the] message concerning Christ.
'

'even an unbeliever can have faith on hearing the word of God for salvation' sic and the reason for that, is because it is a gift from God

You've just parroted what I earlier typed that 'Every believer has the gift of faith, albeit they are in different measurable levels, hence the historic 'I do believe: strengthen my weak faith' plea'

Please advance your answers to the following earlier asked you. Thanks
What is the name your mother tongue is called? Is it a gift of speaking in tongues or not?
Where did your gift of speaking in your mother tongue come from? Is it from God or from the devil?
When does a person receive the gift of faith?
If we already have the gift of faith, why are we commanded to have faith in God?

Don't just swallow whatever you hear sweet mouthed preachers preach.
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:47pm On Sep 12, 2021
BassReeves:
What is the name your mother tongue is called? Is it a gift of speaking in tongues or not?
Where did your gift of speaking in your mother tongue come from? Is it from God or from the devil?
Do you pray in your mother tongue or you dont pray using your mother tongue?
I learnt my mother tongue Yoruba
I learnt the Nigerian Lingua Franca: English Language

Even, the unbelievers learnt the same set of languages, how then can they be SPIRITUAL GIFTS?

What is special with my ability to Speak Yoruba when the IFA Herbalist speak a better Yoruba than me?
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:43pm On Sep 12, 2021
BassReeves:
It seems you don't know that the father had the Gift of Faith, but wasn't able to wield the faith into operation. His faith wasn't functioning well enough, hence he cried out to Jesus, to help him maximise his operation in faith

You'll talking codswallop if you're saying not all believers have the gift of faith

2 Timothy 1:7 NKJV
'For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind'

Do you know what FEAR, stands for? It stands for 'False Evidence Appearing Real'
Tell me, what is the one word, remedy, for fear or tell me what the one word antidote to fear is?

Hebrews 11:1
'Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.'

Romans 10:17
'So faith comes from hearing [what is told],
and what is heard comes by the [preaching of the] message concerning Christ.
'

'even an unbeliever can have faith on hearing the word of God for salvation' sic and the reason for that, is because it is a gift from God

You've just parroted what I earlier typed that 'Every believer has the gift of faith, albeit they are in different measurable levels, hence the historic 'I do believe: strengthen my weak faith' plea'

Please advance your answers to the following earlier asked you. Thanks
What is the name your mother tongue is called? Is it a gift of speaking in tongues or not?
Where did your gift of speaking in your mother tongue come from? Is it from God or from the devil?
1 Corinthians 12:30
Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?



According to the scripture above does every believer have the gift of healing?
According to the scripture above does every believer have the gift of tongues?
According to the scripture above does every believer have the gift of interpretation of tongues?

Does it mean that the believers referred to were dumb (for obviously they obviously spoke at least Hebrew or Greek)
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:31pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


Wow is this how you read the Bible wow no problem now I know what is inside you
You'll rather want it to read:
These signs shall follow them who pray in tongues...but it didn't read that: the promise is to those who BELIEVE!

Please, sit down with the Scriptures and with the Holy Spirit and ask Questions!
You will surely FIND, just as I did.

Forget the popular opinions
Forget the big men of God we rever so much
You shall know the truth, and the TRUTH shall set you FREE says Master Jesus!
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:27pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


Is this what we are talking about
You are just trying to justify your reason for not wanting to obey God word

Our topic is about tongues no one has ever said don't do other things after all I told you soul winning is the vital thing to do I said it to you over a million times
Just one scripture that commands us to ALL pray in tongues?
I am saying concentrate on the other things rather than praying in tongues as praying in tongues is not useful for PUBLIC exhortation.

Your problem is not knowing the DIFFERENCE between the GIFT of tongues (which is useful for public exhortation) and the operation in tongues (praying in tongues) for personal edification. Until you know the difference will you have a breakthrough in ministry.

I am saying without mincing words that most christians who specialize in praying in tongues are empty barrels that make loud noise in terms of their Public Ministry!
This is the plain truth: just look around and see!
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:20pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


I think it time for us to end our conversation
Because we are not on the same page and lack of faith is the most deadly thing to get from people around you

Jesus couldn't do mighty works in his village imagine God Almighty could not because of his villagers unbelieve unbelieve is more dangerous than sin or any thing

Jesus had to quickly leave that location

Unbelief is actually what takes people to hell not even sin

Let end our conversation before you transfer the evil aroma to me

God bless you in your work

Bye
Jesus didn't do any miracles with tongues
The disciples didn't perform any miracle with tongues
The all preached, healed, delivered and ministered in understanding.

I choose to imitate Jesus and the disciples in ministry!
Its not about whipping up emotions, it is about doing the WORK of the ministry through FAITH in the FINISHED work of Christ

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Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 9:09pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


My brother you can believe what you want
Bible said we know in part

What I teach is what I believe and it in the Bible we speak because we believe and therefore we speak

Am happy to have received this beautiful gift of tongues which is the evidence of the Holy Spirit living in your body

You can refuse him or refuse his speaking in tongues he is a perfect gentleman there is no one who says bad things about tongues that actually got it that is the amazing thing

What ever you despise you won't get you only get what you desire
After praying in tongues, what is next?

Go out and be minister of Christ's presence in Evangelism, Healing, Deliverance and Discipleship.

If everything just revolves around praying in tongues, you're just like an overfed baby who does no exercise.

After the tongues, what next?
more tongues or ministry?
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 9:05pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


Read those thread pages I answered the questions
You didn't answer the questions.
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 9:04pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


God just showed me why you have not been able to receive this beautiful gift.

You can continue to believe the things you want no problem with me

You can say you own idea of what speaking in tongues is it your own mind set it not what is in the Bible

I only wish you well since you refuse to listen to me I know what am saying and I know how powerful this thing am saying is

All the things I say can be found in the Bible
My heart burns as a speak this things that is the effects of the Holy Spirit Baptism and fire gift

I just wish you well thank God I was not like you when God was leading me in his ways

Your ideas are limiting YOU.
You are locked in praying in tongues that you are blind to see that you already have the power you refuse to use.
This is why the best many christians can do is to pray in tongues with nothing else in terms of service. Even common evangelism, the best they can do is to say "come to my church" instead of linking the unbeliever to Christ.
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:59pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


Read this place very well and tell me what you notice

Mark 16

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
These sign shall follow them that BELIEVE (not pray in tongues)
-casting out demons
-taking up serpents
-drink deadly things
-healing the sick
Not necessarily that they have the Spiritual gifts but the Power to do...
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:52pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


No need because you are not even understanding where am heading too wow

Let me try

Now example I can pray in tongues and am taking to God saying to God my father once it get there I want all demons to be dealt with
Once I give the command (in the known language you want right Mr shadeyinka)

Then when I come to the meeting it start happening as I have prayed in the tongues people wonder how is it happening so easy they don't know I have charged up on speaking in tongues and handled it in the spiritual realm

When I tell you you don't understand me I know what am saying you only thing one way without knowing what I mean by those statements I wrote
What I am saying is that (even though I don't despise praying in tongues), God does His work through me and I don't even have to speak in tongues to be used.
There is too much noise in the church and it is causing believers to lose their identity in Christ.

If you have any experience with casting out demons, you will know that tongues don't get the job done. It is your stand in Faith and Authority of Christ Jesus.

BTW, some demonized people also speak in tongues at the point of their deliverance.
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:46pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


Quote

You mix up
BAPTISM with/of the Holy Spirit with being
FILLED with the Holy Spirit

Answer
1. The baptism with the Holy Spirit occurs the moment a person is saved. It is not the same experience as salvation but happens at the time of salvation. It is not a second experience following conversion.
Your first and third sentence are Correct. Your second sentence is a contradiction of your first sentence.
Does salvation occur gradually?
What is the time of salvation and how is it different from the moment a person become saved.


Bishopkingsley:

2. God has given believers everything in Christ. When we are saved we are complete in Him. We lack nothing. There is nothing else for Him to give to us.
Correct. And it includes our spiritual Giftings
Bishopkingsley:

3. Nowhere are believers commanded to receive any second blessing that would give them power. All power is already available.
Correct.
But this is what you teach:
You claim contrary to the above that after salvation, a person now has to seek the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues


Bishopkingsley:

4. The power of the Holy Spirit working in a person's life is something that should be desired.
The power of the Holy Spirit is already resident in a person who has Christ.
The problem is Faithlessness.

I told you I used to think I had the gift of Faith: Why?
Because God was using me to heal people (particularly students while I was teaching at a Polytechnic): it didn't matter whether they were Christians or Muslims, they were getting healed.
When a child of God make himself available, the Power of Christ flows (Gift or not)

God still uses me to heal till today, but it isn't my spiritual gift: I just make myself available

Bishopkingsley:

This place will help you to desire the power tongues gift and holy spirit
(New Living Translation
So if you sinful people know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him.”)

Some who have legitimately experienced the Spirit's power label the encounter as the baptism with the Holy Spirit whereas the Scripture calls this experience the filling of the Holy Spirit. previously mentioned, everything has been provided for us upon conversion. We only need to appropriate what God has already done for us.

For the above to work let see that condition of believing because people don't even know what they believe people just say they accept Jesus without knowing what they believe


Hint below shows only God can give one the true believe they need in order for the below scripture to happen

He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified (John 7:38-39).
Tongues is NOT the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is NOT tongues.

The Holy Spirit is the SEAL of all who are Christs own.
Your emphasis shouldn't be tongues BUT yieldedness to the Holy Spirit who is in You

There is a difference but subtly, you mix them up
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:23pm On Sep 12, 2021
BassReeves:
Mark 9:24
'17A man in the crowd answered, “Teacher, I brought my son to you, because he has an evil spirit in him and cannot talk.
18Whenever the spirit attacks him, it throws him to the ground, and he foams at the mouth, grits his teeth, and becomes stiff all over. I asked your disciples to drive the spirit out, but they could not.”
19Jesus said to them, “How unbelieving you people are! How long must I stay with you? How long do I have to put up with you? Bring the boy to me!”
20They brought him to Jesus.
As soon as the spirit saw Jesus, it threw the boy into a fit, so that he fell on the ground and rolled around, foaming at the mouth.
21“How long has he been like this?” Jesus asked the father.
“Ever since he was a child,” he replied.
22“Many times the evil spirit has tried to kill him by throwing him in the fire and into water. Have pity on us and help us, if you possibly can!”

23“Yes,” said Jesus, “if you yourself can! Everything is possible for the person who has faith.”
24The father at once cried out, "I do have faith, but not enough. Help me have more!"'

Every believer has the gift of faith, albeit they are in different measurable levels, hence the historic 'I do believe: strengthen my weak faith' plea

What is the name your mother tongue is called? Is it a gift of speaking in tongues or not? Where did your gift of speaking in your mother tongue come from? Is it from God or from the devil?
It seems you don't know the distinction between the Gift of Faith and the Operation in Faith!

Every Christian is commanded and expected to have Faith
But
Not every Christian have the Gift of Faith

The Gift of Faith is a Supernatural Ability given by the Holy Spirit to a Child of God to be able to TRUST God's position in exceptionally difficult and naturally impossible situations.
...it will rain today when there is no sign of rain (harmathan)
...you are healed ---when the man is medically dying
...he is not dead---when the doctors have pronounced him dead

Faith is just trusting God's Word and His integrity: even an unbeliever can have faith on hearing the word of God for salvation


Finally, all spiritual gifts of the same kind do not have the same operation neither do they have the same magnitude (size).
My gift of healing may be able to heal the sick but another Christians gift of healing can restore eyes to the blind from birth. Every Christian act according to their level of faith, use (experience) and devotion to God with respect to their spiritual gifts.
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:10pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


My brother if there was no difference why would Jesus give us the power gift

If there was no difference why would God enable all the followers of Jesus have it

I won't tell you the difference
When you have it you will be the one praising God each day of your life for such a wonderful experience

Words can not explain this gift of tongues
You know the truth!
There is not one difference of true children of God whether they speak in tongues or not except they are not operating in FAITH!

Jesus gave every child of His power to tread upon snakes and scorpions and on every power of the enemy. This has nothing to do with tongues.

What is the difference between the efficacy of prayer in understanding and prayer without understanding?
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:04pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


I will advice you to pray to God to give you the ability to speak in tongues infact just pray to God to give you the holy spirit even if you think you already have him

Continue to desire the holy spirit in your life once you do this he will give you the tongues and you will understand more of how awesome God is

You need to stop comparing speaking in tongues with other activities

You can't force the gift it best you desire it it not wrong to want this power gift

You will give me your testimony once you experience this level and you will say to me now I understand all what you say
This your wrong teaching:
I know Holy Spirit far much more than you think.
He speaks to me----- the first word i ever heard Him speak directly was a one word answer NO! (that was in my undergraduate days)
He guides me ------ "...yinka, take your hand away from the window...cover your eyes.... see, the glory of a man"
He empowers me to serve Him----I am glad to be used by Him in healing and Deliverance.
He chastises me when I go wrong------countless times
He teaches me and gives me understanding of the scriptures and the will of the Father----
He give me Words of Knowledge and Words of Wisdom----


Praying in Tongues is not a power gift. Thes below are examples of Power gifts. They are called power gifts not because of anything but because they are undenyable gifts when in operation (they change things directly in the Physical realm)
Healing, Deliverance, Faith, Miracles, Discernment of Spirits, Prophecy

Certainly, not glossa.
Tongues when the hearers hear in their own language is the only spectacular side of the gift of tongues


It is not wrong to pray in tongues BUT praying in tongues is NOT a spiritual gift.
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 7:36pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


When you have Jesus you have everything
Working on this things for ministry is dependent on the one God gives you that does not mean you won't work on all

You need faith to even believe Jesus is God Almighty you need deep understanding to believe in Trinity

So the gift in each one listed in the Bible is for the church

Oyedepo works on faith
Dominion city man works on wisdom and knowledge
Oyahilome works on knowledge and healing
There are different men of God working on each one but that does not mean they can't operate on the other one's when the need arises I thought I have explained it before here
Isnt the highlight in YELLOW my position?
If you have Jesus, you have everything LIFE, HOLY SPIRIT, GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT, POWER etc
You have Jesus at salvation isnt it?

You are not quoting me properly, that is why you seem to be misunderstanding my question.
I said:
"I asked is there a spiritual gift that every Christian should have?"
You mentioned three ministers of God in your response and I asked about every Christian
Romance / Re: Why Do People Cheat On People They Love?? by shadeyinka(m): 5:07pm On Sep 12, 2021
Beebah2000:
Why do people still cheat on people they truly love?? undecided cry cry
Love and Lust don't go together.

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Romance / Re: He Doesn't Want A Relationship BUT... by shadeyinka(m): 4:59pm On Sep 12, 2021
empress101:
HI everyone..
I have been talking to a guy recently..We have known for years but lost contact and reconnected again 3months ago and I honestly do like him alot(I think he likes me too)....
When I asked him what he really wanted, he said "I dont want a relationship, I like you and just want you around"..
To me,its selfish and seems like torture to my emotions going with the facts that I'm beginning to have catch feelings..
I'm so confused now, what do I do??
I'm planning of stopping communications and erasing all memory of him...
He has told you the truth, he doesn't want a relationship with you. Break off before you claim he broke your heart.
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 4:46pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:



Quote
Is there a single spiritual gift that every Christian should have?

Answer
The Gift of the Holy Spirit


now every gift you see in the Bible you have it once you believe in Jesus

Now when you preach if people need teaching more than healing that is what God will bring upon you to use it to help them

If it healing they need in that place that is what God will impact on you to use to bless them so it actually what the people need that comes upon you for that period

Like I said there is no formula God can switch healing power to teaching power in the same service if two people need healing God can use you to heal them and after that switch to teaching those who equally need teaching

It works step by step
I asked is there a spiritual gift that every Christian should have?
..and your answer is meaningless....gift of the holy spirit!?

I was expecting that you will say prophecy, or tongues or faith etc.

You will see that even though all Christians are required to have faith, not all Christians have the gift of faith! The same with tongues!

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