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Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 4:42pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:But we also know that most of those who pray in tongues don't do evangelism. The best they do is say: "come to my church and hand you their church fliers". I am forcing out the truth to your conscience. PRAYING in tongues is good (because you edify your spirit man), however it isn't more than that with respect to 1. Holy living 2. Power heal, preach and deliver. Faith in Christ produces the two above. Baptism of the Holy Spirit is what you receive at Salvation. It may or may not come with any visible sign. Being filled with the Holy Spirit is a command. When we become filled it manifests itself in Faith, Prophetic utterances, Boldness and even tongues. |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 4:33pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:I asked the question, what can the person who speak in tongues do that a child of God who doesn't can't do? Can everyone who speak in tongues (a minimum of 30minuites per day) also heal the sick and cast out demons? Please be truthful about this! |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 4:30pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:But you contradict yourself in the bolded above. Praying in tongues is simply for your own edification (edification of your spirit man). That is why there is not one single example of casting out demons with tongues in the scriptures. I am helping you out but your doctrines is not allowing you to hear my voice. Praying in tongues is good and not to be forbidden. However, speaking in understanding has more value especially to edify believers. After praying in tongues to charge up your spirit man, then come OUT and SPEAK words of Healing, Deliverance, Exhortation, Teaching. It is the Word of FAITH spoken by a child/Man of God that carries the Power when spoken in Christ Jesus Name. Praying in tongues is not a spiritual gift. The spiritual gift of tongues is found mainly in Apostolic and Evangelistic Services. You mix up BAPTISM with/of the Holy Spirit with being FILLED with the Holy Spirit |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 4:18pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:I ask you such questions to force you to think and rationalize what you have believed with respect to the scripture and experience. Praying I tongues is between you and God alone.. in the spirit you speak mysteries that no one else, not even you except you are given the interpretation know. I don't despise praying in tongues. I only put it in its place as NOT one of the Spiritual Gifts but a manifestation that any child of God can operate in. How has your praying in tongues and glossa edified others is a valid question? If you can't answer it because you know the truth, then face that truth. |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 4:12pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Why don't you speak then of someone in your church instead of yourself? |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 4:11pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Does A person who is Born Again but doesn't speak in tongues have the Holy Spirit? |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 1:10pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Is there a single spiritual gift that every Christian should have? Does everyone who teach have the gift of teaching? Does everyone who exhorts have the gift of exhortation? Does everyone who heal have the gift of healing? Does everyone who pray in tongues have the gift of tongues? |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 12:32pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:I don't know of any either. The truth is bitter. Like I said, I used to think like you until I studied the scripture and not what our revered men of God has taught us. In understanding, be men... Every Spiritual Gift is to EDIFY the church! In what practical ways is your tongue edifying your church or people outside the church? Tell me a Spiritual Gift that is for Private consumption? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 12:26pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:There is no spiritual gift for private consumption including tongues. Let others be the judge of the efficacy of your tongues. Mind you: I do not despise tongues as a "prayer language" BUT it isn't a GIFT. If giving doesn't make me gifted by the Holy Spirit If evangelism doesn't make me an evangelist If healing the sick doesnt make me one with gift of healing How come it is only tongues (without the FIRE and the NOISE of rushing Winds) is a Spiritual Gift? |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 12:18pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:No sir! You put the cart before the horse. He who have Jesus have LIFE. This is salvation and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. At salvation, you have the GIFTs of the Holy Spirit which is activated through your use in Faith. Being filled is being controlled (intoxicated) by the Resident Holy Spirit through you "Yielding" yourself to Him. This is what generates faith, prophecy, tongues etc. |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 12:11pm On Sep 12, 2021 |
Myer:Amen. Every Christian should be fruitful with their primary spiritual gift. However, every Christian can function in every area according to the need of the church not necessarily because they they have the spiritual Gift or calling God will hold me directly accountable for how I have made profit for Him through the use of my spiritual gifts and calling |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:59am On Sep 12, 2021 |
Myer:I don't even have the gift of tongues l. 99.999% of those who pray in tongues do not have the gift. The GIFT operates mainly in 1. Evangelistic Ministries 2. Apostolic Ministries The Gift of Tongues operates in diverse ways 1. Ability to Acquire and be proficient in a Foreign Language in a very short time for Apostolic and Evangelistic Ministries 2. Ability to Speak in a known language (e.g. English) which gets interpreted in the ears of the Hearers in their own local dialect (e.g. Fulfude) 3. Ability to Speak in glossa which gets interpreted in the ears of the Hearers in their own local dialect 4. Ability to speak an unlearnt foreign language for Apostolic and Evangelistic Ministries If glossa is the tongue referred to, it is just a prayer language and not a spiritual gift. If dialectos is the tongue referred to, it is most likely a spiritual gift 1 Like |
Politics / Re: NNPC Refineries Generate Zero Revenue, Pay Workers ₦69 Billion by shadeyinka(m): 10:50am On Sep 12, 2021 |
Modrov:Subsidy is a different scam of its own. Even if the cost of PMS is N500 per litre, NNPC will not still function because they must still import. Importation involves getting dollars at CBN rates for fake imports of PMS. The getting of the dollar is the main cause. |
Politics / Re: NNPC Refineries Generate Zero Revenue, Pay Workers ₦69 Billion by shadeyinka(m): 10:30am On Sep 12, 2021 |
Modrov:The refineries don't work because we cannot maintain it. This is because we don't make any component part of the refinery and the manufacturers have to custom make the parts whenever it's time for maintenance . 1 Like 1 Share |
Family / Re: I Don't Find My Wife Sexually Attractive. Please Help by shadeyinka(m): 12:56pm On Sep 10, 2021 |
isaacology3000:Very wicked of you! You wife can only be as sexually attractive as you make her. Upgrade her wardrobe Invite makeup artists to do her a makeover twice a week. Take her out on a packaged date and dress her like you want. Until you lose her before you know: Finally, All the celebrities you see from Tiwa to Tonto to... are packaged for the pictures. When you see them without their makeup, your jaw will fall. They are ORDINARY like every other lady without makeup. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 12:19pm On Sep 10, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:You are the one who quoted me wrongly shadeyinka:See the highlight in YELLOW Paul SAID: 1 Cor 14:26-28 26 What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a psalm or a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of these must be done to build up the church. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two, or at most three, should speak in turn, and someone must interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, he should remain silent in the church and speak only to himself and God Paul did NOT SAY: ''.... the pastor should not use it on the altar' I have highlighted the key words in 1Cor 14:26-28 Does verse 28 refer to the Pastor? The scripture give the guideline as to speaking tongues: at most three people one after the other WHEN there is an interpreter. It doesn't refer to pastors. There was even no mention of alters because as of that time, the church met in individual homes of believers You are reading a non-existing interpretation into the scripture Bishopkingsley:You make it look like, having Jesus is different from having the Holy Spirit John 14:16-18 I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper , that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you Eph 4:4 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 1 Cor 12:12-13 12 The body is a unit, though it is composed of many parts. And although its parts are many, they all form one body. So it is with Christ. 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink. Can you please reconcile this scriptures with your answer? Which Baptism is this speaking about? Baptism unto salvation, Water Baptism or Baptism unto tongues? Bishopkingsley:If I have not been fortunate to come across the places it happening, dont you think it is a big problem knowing that at least 80% of Pentecostal churches belong to this school of thought. Deliverance doesn't come by tongues, it comes with COMMAND in Jesus name. Demonized people also speak in tongues (at least I have come across one before) Bishopkingsley:The impact of tongues is evidence for all to see And you will claim to be different from white garment churches. Are you aware that they even speak in tongues with interpretation more that you all? How are you different? Bishopkingsley:Your bias will NOT allow you to note that there is a difference between when the HOLY SPIRIT pray for us and when MY SPIRIT prays Why is the Holy Spirit our ADVOCATE and INTERCESSOR if He Romans 8:26 Verse Concepts In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; But to you, praying with YOUR spirit is actually making the HOLY SPIRIT pray for you. How about when you pray with your understanding? Is the Holy Spirit ABSENT? Bishopkingsley:Slow down to listen as you read the scripture! You may need to look around and show how tongues has made you superior |
Religion / Re: What Is Religion? by shadeyinka(m): 9:31am On Sep 10, 2021 |
orisa37:It is people like you who will come on NL to speak against religion as backwardness |
Foreign Affairs / Re: Zimbabwean Boy Mauled By Hyena Leaves SA Hospital With New Face (PIX) by shadeyinka(m): 9:04am On Sep 10, 2021 |
dreh17:I hope you will ALSO tax organized crime syndicates to discourage people from joining them. |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:49am On Sep 10, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: Hello, I noticed that you seem not to be able to quote a post in your responses easily. To quote, follow this procedure 1. Copy the header such as .[quote auth.or=Bishop.kingsley post=105658261] or [qu.ote author=Dtruth.speaker post=105632480] or [quo.te author=shade.yinka post=105658260] on the block you intend to quote AND at the end or bound of the post you intend to quote, you type [/quote] After bounding the selection with the HEADER and the BOUND, you can now type your response Example Lets assume I want to quote a snipet of your post, [quote au.thor=Bishopkingsley post=105658261] Funny there is a level you get to God God begins to speak to you directly I don't need a pastor to teach me this because I hear from my father all the time and I read what he says in the Bible I have shown you four types of tongues you can refute it it won't matter because that what in the Bible it can't be removed [/qu.ote] My response Then you have a wrong definition. Trust me, that used to be my definition too when we sheepishly followed the big men of God (usually American) who wrote books we devoured without thinking Cheers Bro! Sorry, all the punctuation marks are meant to prevent nairaland from seeing the commands as actual intentions |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:37am On Sep 10, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Then you have a wrong definition. Trust me, that used to be my definition too when we sheepishly followed the big men of God (usually American) who wrote books we devoured without thinking Bishopkingsley:I can see where you got it all wrong. You seem to mix up two different experiences of 1. Being Filled with the Holy Spirit 2. Being baptized with the Holy Spirit Everyone who is Born again is Baptized in/with the Holy Spirit Being Filled is a command: and it leads to several manifestations such as Faith, Prophecy, Tongues, etc. It simply means being controlled/intoxicated/influenced by the Holy Spirit Bishopkingsley:How come people who specialize in tongues seem to be so powerless. Apart from tongues, (which even unbelievers can do), what makes you special? How come deliverance is scarce amongst those who specialize in tongues as a gift? How come tongues as a known language is completely absent amongst those of you who specialize in tongues as a gift? How come you all seem to depend on your pastors for miracles instead of each one of you being a minister of Healing, Deliverance, Evangelism etc. Your glossa is not making any impact. Every spiritual gift does make impact within the body of Christ. Bishopkingsley:But you are following the crowd with your comprehension. Why is tongues for every believer BUT the interpretation of tongues is optional? Let me show you a few scriptures that set me free from such mentality Rom 8:26-27 26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27 And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God Who does the groaning intercessory representation for us believers? Is it our spirit or the Holy Spirit? 1 Cor 14:14-16 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What then shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16 Otherwise, if you speak a blessing in spirit, how can someone who is uninstructed say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? I guess it is clear to see that I can choose to either pray WITH my spirit or pray WITH my understanding. 1. Do you think that the Holy Spirit pray for us ONLY when we pray with our spirits? 2. Which kind of prayer is superior (praying with my spirit or praying with my understanding)? I pray you will meditate on these questions and not just repeat preconceived notions |
Religion / Re: What Is Religion? by shadeyinka(m): 8:03am On Sep 10, 2021 |
orisa37:A person who reads his books religiously either reads for his entertainment or need to pass an examination |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 6:57pm On Sep 09, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:It's unfortunate that it goes contrary to your pastors definition If you are willing to slow down to reason with the scriptures you will understand that speaking in tongues may not necessarily be a spiritual gift of a person Bishopkingsley:Examples of spiritual gifts that are for private use? Bishopkingsley:The church of Christ is powerless because they major in the minor and minor in the major. How come other spiritual gifts are scarce amongst believers except that which can easily be cloned with NO ACCOUNTABILITY. How come the gifts of healing is scarce How come the prophetic gift is scarce How come interpretation of tongues is scarce But how come every christian is claiming a gift that has no benefit to the church Bishopkingsley:No sir. That wasn't my question. My question was: Have you ever prayed for healling of a person that God answerred? Does it make you a gifted for healing? Have you ever had faith? Does it mean you have the gift of faith? Have you ever led a person to Christ? Does it make you an evangelist? The point is that a believer can operate in the office of ANY spiritual gift not necessarily because they have the GIFT. Why would speaking in tongue be an exception? Bishopkingsley: Will you say that everyone who speaks in Tongues have the gift of Tongues? Please don't just believe any Pastor or Ministry instead, Reason with the Scripture! I wish you can answer this question (in blue highlight) truthfully: therein lies the beginning of your spiritual enlightenment with respect to spiritual gifts and especially tongues |
Religion / Re: What Is Religion? by shadeyinka(m): 4:48pm On Sep 09, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:If I understand you well, I sleep every night religiously, therefore is my religion also sleeping? I almost never miss my dinner, is my religion also supper eating? I almost never late to work, is my religion promptness to work? I must have a thousand and one religion by your definition |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 4:44pm On Sep 09, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Operation simply means to function in the act of...... So a person who operates with tongues is one who uses tongues mainly for private edification Herein, Tongues as a Prayer Language and Tongues as a Form of Praise ARE strictly for private edification and thus not a Spiritual Gift When Tongues are Actual Foreign Languages or Tongues with Interpretation , they MAY BE Spiritual Gifts depending on the use The Gift of Tongues operates in diverse ways 1. Ability to Acquire and be proficient in a Foreign Language in a very short time for Apostolic and Evangelistic Ministries 2. Ability to Speak in a known language (English) which gets interpreted in the ears of the Hearers in their own local dialect (Fulfude) 3. Ability to Speak in glossa which gets interpreted in the ears of the Hearers in their own local dialect 4. Ability to speak an unlearnt foreign language for Apostolic and Evangelistic Ministries There is no Spiritual Gift that is for personal use: Eph 4:11-12 11 And it was He who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for works of ministry and to build up the body of Christ, The Operations doesn't require a gifting. Every believer can operate in the office of every kind of spiritual gifts without necessarily having the Spiritual Gifts. Every Christian must have FAITH, but not every Christian have the gift of Faith Every Christian must have be able to HEAL, but not every Christian have the gift of Healing Every Christian must have be able to TEACH, but not every Christian have the gift of Teaching Every Christian must have be able to GIVE, but not every Christian have the gift of Giving Every Christian must have be able to EVANGELISE, but not every Christian have the gift of the Evangelist In the Above lies the difference. If a Christians Tongues is NOT understood or the Tongues is mainly a prayer or praise Language, I am sorry, it isn't a SPIRITUAL GIFT. It is just operation into the office of the gifts. Does every believer have the gift of giving? Does every believer have the gift of teaching? Is every believer an Evangelist? Why should tongues be different?
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Phones / Re: Cost Of 1Gb Of Data In Every Country by shadeyinka(m): 12:02pm On Sep 09, 2021 |
The data is not complete as it gives a false impression. We have to rate the price relative to the minimum wage in each country. It is then we can speak about how expensive 1GB of data is. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 11:45am On Sep 09, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:I think you have mixed it up. 1. The Operation in tongues is for private use and edification 2. The Gift is for ministry to others and the body of Christ. Every Christian can operate in Tongues (glossa) if and when they want. Like every Christian can give if and when they want without necessarily having the gift of Giving. Every Christian can encourage if and when they want without necessarily having the gift of encouragement. Every Christian can operate in Faith if and when they want without necessarily having the gift of Faith. Every Christian can Teach if and when they want without necessarily having the gift and calling of a Teacher. Every Christian can Prophecy if and when they want without necessarily having the gift and calling of a Prophet. As per gifts and calling, they are supernatural abilities given by the Holy Spirit for the Edification of the Body of Christ. None is for private use but Edification of others. The Gift of tongues finds its use mainly in Evangelistic Ministrations where language is a barrier. The Gift also have several flavours within it. I can explain deeper on this if you want. The Gift is useless without interpretation (it must be understood by the targeted hearer) The Operation in Tongues is for private edification |
Politics / Re: MACBAN: Cows Will Cost ₦2 Million Each If Lagos Anti-Open Passes Grazing Law by shadeyinka(m): 9:02am On Sep 09, 2021 |
Insecurity:Simple: then I will also join the cattle ranching business. Primary school logic from these people |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 9:00am On Sep 09, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Are you aware that there are two kinds of tongues in Christianity 1. The Gift of tongues? 2. The Operation in tongues? |
Religion / Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 8:26am On Sep 09, 2021 |
Christians are not the only ones who can speak in glossa. I hope this scripture will help you Mat 7:22-23: "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Religion? by shadeyinka(m): 7:54am On Sep 09, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:The OP was linking religion to CONTROL...here is where the Politics comes in. I sleep every night religiously, therefore is my religion also sleeping? I almost never miss my dinner, is my religion also supper eating? I almost never late to work, is my religion promptness to work? Define things according to its context |
Foreign Affairs / Re: Biggest Threat Of 9/11-style Attack After Taliban Unveils Hellish Cabinet( Pix) by shadeyinka(m): 7:34am On Sep 09, 2021 |
SeraphEl:I am surprised you think keeping quiet to the truth will suddenly make such truth disappear. A prophet has no honour in his own place. Righteousness 2 is only resonating what the scripture has said. The alternative is to join the narration of "peace..peace!, Prosperity... prosperity!" and forget that prophets also preach the message of WOE on to You... He who have ears.....! 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Religion? by shadeyinka(m): 7:25am On Sep 09, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:Then, What is the religion of a person who reads his books religiously? orunto27:Can you see legends and God in his context of definition of religion? |
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