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Nihilist:
So the players thought Mata was the playmaker, and Mata performed as the playmaker, but OSCAR was the real playmaker?

Yet us Chelsea fans are unintelligent buffoons.

Should I tell you to recognize a playmaker?
The attacking midfielder in the midfield who starts the attack (not create) and partake in the build-up play by receiving his passes from the DM and the defenders. They also makes little movement round the midfield to open up space to exploit.
On paper, this player may not be deployed in the deep midfield but on the pitch, he's often seen there either by him dropping deep or drifting in. That's the playmaker.
As for Chelsea fans, majority are agbero.

Nihilist:
Mata received the more passes than any other Chelsea midfielder that year, indicating that the whole team was constantly looking to get him on the ball as he was the focal point of the midfield play.

In addition to receiving the ball more than any other Chelsea midfielder, Mata was also registering more touches of the ball than any other player, indicating that he was having time to dwell on the ball a bit longer than anyone else, before he picked out a pass.

He was directly involved in 36.9% of all of Chelsea's league goals.


Finally he created chances quicker and in more volume than any other Chelsea player.

If that's not a playmaker, then I don't know what your definition of playmaker is.

The answer lies in your post. The team was built around Mata and he was the focal point of that team. Even then, he dictated nada.
And you were saying?

coogar:
so how do you make a play?
you guys are making me laugh with your bush english comprehension. the player with the vision to tread a pass that leads to a shot taken is the playmaker.....he is the one that receives the most passes in the game & distributes the ball with accuracy & panache.

mata was that man for chelsea in 11/12.

Nope.
You know why Southampton are on the losing end lately? Because Morgan Schnerderlin, their deeplying playmaker is out injured. Check all their losses, includind their defeat against City, you would notice it coincided with the absence of Morgan. Even City were only able to get through them after Morgan was subbed out due to injury.
Does Morgan creates many chances per game? Nope. So, why?
Because that's Tadic's job. But why is Tadic finding it difficult to create? Because he has no one to knit play behind him and provide him with the incisive passes.
You're right that playmakers should be the one with the most touches and passes but it is not always like that due to various reasons. First, the position of the playmaker may be of hindrance. For example, Silva have to drift into the centre to get more touches but when he's unable to do this, he's liable to get few touches.
Secondly, inability of the team mates to recognize the actual playmaker and this is the fault of coach. For example, Chelsea players didn't recognize Oscar as the actual playmaker, they probably thought that Mata is the playmaker since the team was built around Mata. However, the player that actually made play happened was Oscar, even with the little touches he had. Same thing happened with Mata and Kagawa in the games against Newcastle, Aston Villa, Westham e.t.c. Everyone defered to Mata in those games but Kagawa was the main playmaker.
In a right set up and with an insightful coach, the playmaker gets more touches on the ball.

coogar:


english language will forever be your biggest challenge. playmaking is creativity.

you make something - you create something. the word explains itself thoroughly. the only significant stat about playmaker is the frequency at which they create chances.

every other stat is just beating about the bush. passing, dribbling, ball control are all a means to an end(goal scoring). from the definition of created chance - the pass that leads to a shot taken, it's clear as daylight who the king was in 2011/12.




playmaking is creativity.
xavi & iniesta are both creators. however, iniesta sometimes played as an auxiliary forward for barca & his stats somehow gets spruced & confuse jew men like you & shirley. if a playmaker isn't about creativity, what is he about then? defensive?

the exact reason scholes gets hailed by his peers in europe is because he's a playmaker - the king of the final pass that leads to a shot taken. xavi said that much when he was paying tributes to scholes - and what are such passes called?

Nope. Playmake is make a play i.e, conduct play, my engrish teacher.

elampiro:
In my understanding, the primary argument here is about playmaking and not creativity. Shriley gave a perfect example between Xavi (a playmaker) and Iniester (a creator). The key to a playmaker is knitting passes together for the team, particular towards offensive play. Scholes was a good example for us.

However, we could get a complete playmaker in players like Zidane who knit the game and as well create for his team.

Same as Silva.
People talk of Iniesta as the heir to Zidane's throne but that's one fat lie. Silva is the closest to Zidane, a pity City often under utilized him.
@elampiro, have you seen how Suarez has been underperforming so far when deployed as an out and out 9 for Barca?

coogar:
only few people know how to read statistics here & you are not one of them. can you not see mata creates a chance every 25 mins to silva's 27?

where exactly did silva do better than mata in that stats provided in 11/12?

Playmaking is not all about being creative. Infact, when a playmaker creates chances, it's seen as a bonus that comes with playmaking.
In a lame man's word,
Playmakers are often known as the assist of the assists.
Don't also forget Mata takes all the free kicks and corner kicks when he was at Chelsea compared to Silva who rarely did.

coogar:
toure provides steel. he's a beast at breaking down plays - he does exactly what fellaini does for us but much better at it. he has the drive to bring the ball forward from the deep end & create chances. he's a box to box dynamo midfielder. his energy levels might have gone down a notch but he still provides steel.



the 3 of them are gorillas - we don't have anyone as strong as them in our team. when you have kompany, mangala, & those 3 destroyers in the same team then the creative players get the license to roam & express themselves without fear or fervour.



blind is just a young carrick.....
his strength is mostly positioning & interception. he's not much of a hard tackler & he doesn't travel with the ball like toure does. he needs to bulk up too to withstand the physical demands of his role.



city's failure in europe is just teething problems. they don't know how to manage games in europe yet & that's to do with their inexperience as a team. city's 2nd team is better than arsënal but arsenal manage european games better than city cos of their experience over the years.....the tactical approach, the confidence & the psychological angle are all important too. it's one thing to be good, it's another thing to know how to win.



the 3 players floating behind city's striker are fluid. they all roam and occupy different positions as the game dictates. silva isn't really an out & out winger. he often gets into the hole to deliver a killer pass. he's mostly everywhere. their attacking football is fluid!



without 2 strong DMs behind mata, the burden falls on his shoulders to track back & make up for the deficiencies in the pivot. last season, we had a very weak midfield & the AMs were asked to protect the pivot - and that takes something away from their attacking play.

trequartista should be what they are - modern football is destroying the game by making everyone defend like zombies. if you have 2 centre halves & 2 DMs to protect the back 4, why is there another need to put AMs in defensive mode? that's 7-9 players in defence, it blunts attacking football.

Can you state Yaya defensive stats here? Infact, you're getting it upside down because what Yaya provides nowadays, is energy and attacking play, not much defensive work. He provides his little share of defensive duties but it's not his cup of tea, same thing Di Maria did for Madrid.
Yeah, City deploys Silva in a sort of free role on the wing which allows him to drift and drop into the midfield but it's not as convenient as playing in the centre and the difference showed in their game against Barca where Silva was deployed in the centre.
In that game, majority of City's players were their usual out of sort, this included Yaya and Fernandinho who were poor in that game but Silva took their game to another level single handedly. They fashioned out better chances than Barca and outclassed Barca's midfield through the help of one man- Silva. City would have won that game if not of the ineptness of their forwards.
With the way Silva performed that day, City can beat anyone infront of them. However, City's strength is also its achille heel because they don't utilize the only playmaker they have to the best of his potential.
Let me also tell you that Blind is very much a DM. He's a different DM to the likes of Sandro, Vidal, Bender e.t.c. He's a sitting DM (holding midfielder) similar to Busquets, Fernando, De Rossi e.t.c. They carry out their defensive duties not by running around but by sitting back and mopping out the danger at the back of the midfield. They also contribute to the buildup play from the back which provides a platform for the other midfielders to do their work.
Teams that employs a roaming DM often deploy a sitting playmaker (deep-lying playmakers). For example, Vidal with Pirlo, Alonso with Khedira e.t.c. I guess different stroke for different team.
Like I said earlier, Before his injury, Blind was among the top midfielders with high no tackles and intercept and this is a player, burdened with our playmaking duties.
Let me also ask you, how much grit and steel does Madrid have when they won the Cl last year, Bayern, Barca, Holland or Germany?
Surrounding Mata with all the DM in the world would even make him look worse. IIRC last season, Mata's performance became better with Kagawa on the pitch. And it was Kagawa who was dropping deep into the midfield from the left side to orchestrate play, similar to how Silva do his thing for City. Our last season match against Newcastle and A. Villa will tell a better story of it. Infact, those matches had Kagawa written all over it. He provided the incisiveness and conducted the play which benefitted Mata in those games.
Another way to make Mata play better is to deploy him in a counter attacking set up. That still doesn't change the fact that Mata is a Second Striker. Shalom.

coogar:
mata was a beast that season!
he was miles better than silva & that was mata's debut season at chelsea. thank feck he's now a red devil.

Beast indeed yet, Silva made a fool of him everytime they encountered each other.
You probably mean beast against pub team like Qpr, Aston Villa and other 2nd fodder pub teams.

Nihilist:


My nigga this is 2014, you need to upgrade from OGBC2 FM Stereo to flatscreen HD signal.

Oscar was the playmaker

Just because the team was built around Mata and he was shouldered with the creativity duties doesn't change the fact that Oscar was the playmaker for that team that season. If you rewatch some of Chelsea games when Mata was there, especially the games against Juve and Donetsk, you would notice a deceptively looking frail child dropping deep into the centre of midfield to conduct play, making intelligent movement and incisive passing all over the centre of play. That child was Oscar.
Even now that Fabregas has been assigned the duty of a playmaker, Oscar still do that playmaking job as it's a second skin nature to him. Mourinho even attested to it here: http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2014/10/19/5260511/oscars-evolution-crucial-in-chelsea-coping-without-costa

SIRcumalot:
This is enough answer that lengthy tirade just makes me think you personally hate the guy.
Well I disagree with you, Mata was Chelsea Playmaker,and one of the finest in the league at that time,he was two time CFC player of the year in that role which is impressive for a stat Padder!!
I myself have greatly adjust my expectations since he joined us,it obvious that for Mata to shine for us we'll have to recreate the same environment he thrived in at Chelsea which won't be good for anybody except Mata.
I thought Chelsea Physical style of play ended with Jose first stint with the Club, the style of play wasn't employed by AVB or Carlo Ancelotti ?

Nope. It was still the same physical players with the same mentality although Carlo made some little adjustment but it was still the same style.
Their style of play even became more ugly when Di matteo took over after AVB was sacked and that was Mata's first season.
No doubt that Mata thrives best in a counter attacking team where there is enough space for him to operate. But then, his performance still depends on the opponent giving him enough space too.
Playing Mata in a possession based team like Van Gaal is doing is suicidal. There's a reason Del Bosque preferred Silva to Mata in the Spanish possesion based style.

Mata being Chelsea 2 time player of the year makes no meaning. Infact, the first was undeserved because Drogba and Ramirez were better than Mata and the reason behind Chelsea winning the CL that year but because Mata looks more elegant in style and had better stats than them in the league, he was voted above them. Let me also made it known that those his stats amounted to nothing because Chelsea still sat in 6th position at the end of that season.
It was only the 2nd award he deserved because that year, he thrived in Bennitez counter attacking set-up which was built around him. Even then, he was still his useless self against teams like City, Pool, Swansea e.t.c and was poor in the CL. However, he was able to do well against the 2nd fodder teams in the Europa league. Even then, Oscar was the playmaker in that team.
Let me reiterate to you and Coogar, creativity is not playmaking. There's more to playmaking than just creativity. A playmaker is someone that conduct and orchestrate play in the midfield e.g Zidane, Xavi, Alonso, Kroos, Verratti, Pjanic, Modric, Schweinsteiger, Sahin, Silva, Pirlo and our retired ginger man, Scholes. These players are rare commodity unlike the SS and AMC we have in abundance.

Timbuktou:
Idiota, are you saying that human behaviour should go against nature?

Ode, you need to go back in history and seek the beginning of the family institution. I'm not here to help imbeciiles. Google is your friend.

By the way, you should thank the patriarchy for every liberty you enjoy. Without it, you'd be waste material.

Is that what your perforated brain was able to deduce from that post? Do You also know that your brain box doesn't align with your brain, ape?
An intelligent man would have be able to deduce from that comment that not all human behaviour align with nature as opposed to what you were saying but no, you have to be spoonfed due to your zero IQ.
I'm asking again how do patriarchy turned to reproduction and call of nature? Yeye.

Timbuktou:
Shirley, Shirley, Shirley, you need help. Why must you always foam at the mouth and bark all the time? Are you cursed? Were you bitten by a sick dog? Were you dropped as a child? Your demeanour is a cause of concern.

1. What we are discussing is human nature dummy.

2. It's not in the interest of the human species to encourage cannibalism. How does cannibalism further the human race, you dolt?

But since you seem like the dick-chopping type, might I suggest Fiji? You should have your fill of human meat there.

Your stupid self should have thought it before making a statement that human behaviour align with nature.
Also, how do patriarchy relates to reproduction and call of nature? What a joke.

SIRcumalot:
Who was Chelsea's playmaker. When Mata was with them ?
A playmaker can be creative in fact creativity is one of the most important attributes of this footballing Role.

No one in particular during Drogba era which was all about grit and physicality but after Drogba exit and Oscar arrival, Oscar became the playmaker until Chelsea signed Fabregas.
It's a myth that Mata was unstoppable at Chelsea. He was only unstoppable against teams that afforded him space but against teams that denied him space in midfield, he was gash. We all know the reason he was always good against us which was because of our open and gash midfield which allowed him to waltz through unhindered but against teams like City, Pool, Swansea, Southampton e.t.c, he was found wanting. And apart from his goals against Arsenal, he was always his invisible self against them.
His champion league performance were even the poorest. At that time, some Chelsea fans, including my bro said it was because the team had ugly style of play, relying on grit and also, it was his 1st season with them.
Fastforwarded to his 2nd season when Oscar and Hazard were signed, his performances in the CL were even more gash. He was so out of sort against Juve and Donetsk, was invisible throughout the game while the newcomers (Oscar and Hazard) were pulling up their weight and doing something useful in the game but no, Mata was his useless self except against Norjalland where he put on his commando hat.
And when Bennitez was appointed as Chelsea Coach, the team had a counter attacking playing style which was built around Mata. This allowed him to thrive but even then, he was still his useless self against those aforementioned teams like Swansea which dumped them out of the F.a cup, Man City, Liverpool e.t.c.
How do I know this? Because I watches majority of Chelsea games with my bro.
The funny thing is people just look at his stats for Chelsea and start to cream their pants, forgetting that he was Chelsea's chief set piece taker (corners and freekicks) which increased his stats and he himself is a natural stat padder. For example in Chelsea game against Donetsk where he was invisible and useless, he was still able to make an assist for Moses' goal through a corner kick. He was a stat padder for Chelsea and even now, for us. It's so sad that Mourinho discovered that earlier before Manutd's coach did.
For the umpeteeth time, Mata aint a playmaker!

alutacontinua:
We wanna do something fun to round up the boring year
Any ideas what we can do?

Don't know. SAMBARRY is the most likely person to ask.

alutacontinua:
About 2 months ago!
So, what do you have to say @ topic?

Nothing unusual happened apart from you becoming a man. Some remained the same, some improved while some became worse e.g Nashville.

alutacontinua:
So, it's the end of another year (almost) and it's been a great year for our wonderful family section.

The ever-interesting drama of Kanwulia and other posters on the section ushered us into the new year , followed by NL Tsunami, which sent a lot of posters into hiding (theLORDreigns, chaircover (Familyland poster of the past years), greatgod2012 etc....some posters just didn't get over the tsunami , etc etc

Needless to say the feminists and anti-feminists, polygamists and anti-polygamists, lazy husbands vs anti-lazy husbands have made it a fun-filled year, the way I laugh my butts off whenpeeps get personal here ehn


Anyways, the aim of this thread is to do something fun as the end of the year is approaching, and I mean pure, unadulterated, undiluted fun! No debates with big big English, abeg and no poster of the year (that's already stale ).......


So, any ideas?

When did you become a man or have always been one?

Timbuktou:
Reproduction is nature, humans respond to this through mating behaviour. Sorry, you have no point there.

Relationships are transactionary in nature, it's give-and-take. The goods and services are love, affection, favours, etc. This is nature, this is human behaviour.

[s]Human behaviour must align with nature for the furtherance of the human race[/s].

So, what we're discussing here is reproduction? Mumu.
As for your last statement, eating human like some tribe do is also a call of nature?

coogar:
it's easy to be a david silva when you have 5 grown gorillas doing the dirty work. who's our equivalent of yaya toure? fernandinho? fernando? kompany? mangala? even city's fullbacks are all solid(clichy, sagna, kolarov & zabaleta).

they only have flair players in the advanced area of the team.....nasri, silva, navas, aguero, etc. this is why you can't really compare mata to silva. silva has all the freedom to express himself with the knowledge that he has gorillas covering his arsë. mata doesn't have that kinda luxury with us.



mata is an excellent playmaker!
then you have rooney, herrera, januzaj, di maria, etc. the problem with these players is that we don't have a pivot strong enough to let them express themselves - so we instruct them to defend from the front & track back. not every player likes to defend & run around like a headless chicken.

if you want to see the best of mata - play vidal + strootman behind him.

It's a myth that Toure provides steel. He's reformed his game into attacking play long time ago.
The only player sanctioned with defensive duties are Fernando and Fernandinho and even then, only one out of them plays coupled with the fact that Fernadinho is a box to box CM, turned into a makeshift DM by City.
Fernadinho is at his best in a box to box role and that was where he made his name at Donetsk. So, that leave Fernando as the only true DM City have.
We also have our own DM which is Blind and let me made it known to you that before his injury, he was ranked among top 3 players with the highest no of tackles and interception in the league. He's also not just a DM for us, he's been a player who knit up our play and contributes to our build-up play. I'm sure when he's relieved of such burden, he would even contribute much more in the defensive aspect.
Also, with all the defensive gadgets City have, they are still poor in europe. You know why? Because they failed to deploy Silva the right way. Instead of the centre, he's forced on the wing to accommodate two strikers.
City's best game against top teams in europe still remains the Barca game where they had Silva in the centre. In that game, Silva was the best player on the pitch and this he archived while playing with an out of sort Yaya and a deflated Fernandinho in midfield yet, he was still able to outclass Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and co. Unfortunately, City lost the game because their forwards went on holiday despite the chances Silva fashioned out for them.
That said, I still don't get how Mata being invisible in games relate to not having DM in midfield. It's more like him not having a playmaker to knit play behind him, like Kagawa did for him when he was here. Have you also noticed that Iniesta drop in form coincided with Xavi's decline. Iniesta find it difficult to get his mojo back because he lacks penetration and incisiveness from the midfield. And this is a player who's 10 times better than Mata and not a second striker!
What Manutd need is a playmaker, not Mata nor Strootman!

coogar:
mata can knit play together......
it is when you put burden on him to do defensive job that he collapses. only a genius like him could have assisted RVP for the 3rd goal. we have enough creative players in that team, what we lack is steel especially when we don't have the ball.

we need:
•strootman or vidal
•godin + hummels + varane

Mata is not a playmaker.
Do you see how Silva conduct play? Now, that's a playmaker and I bet Silva is burdened with defensive duties as much as Mata.
Mata is not even an AMC like Ozil, James, Gotze, he's basically a second striker.
What you're failing to grasp is the playmaking aspect, not creativity. Both are two different things. For example, Xavi do the playmaking for Barca, Iniesta and the forwards do the creativity. However the platform for their creativity is Xavi's playmaking. Without it, Barca lose their penetration and incisiveness. Same with Madrid whenever they had Alonso out, they were out of sort, although they have Kroos in his place now.
What Manutd need is a playmaker.

elampiro:
Reason.

See my response to @Coogar.

coogar:
rafael will fall back into position & shaw will fall back to position. young & valencia will go back to the bench insha allah......i still prefer valencia in the centre of the midfield than as RB or LB.

the midfield picks itself....
di maria, blind/carrick, fellaini/herrera/mata will occupy the mid-3. it depends on the opposition & who knows, blind can play LB if shaw's fitness doesn't improve.

the attack should be VP, rooney & falcao. when everyone is fit, van gaal will go back to his 4-3-1-2 formation with rooney playing in the hole to service falcao & VP. FA cup will soon join the league games - plenty of games to go round & none of the players should complain, really.



he was wrong footed!




we need a henchman!
carrick & blind are too similar. there are games where we need a bull terrier, fellaini does it decently at times though but his passing is horrible & he has the pace of a snail.

We already have Herrera for that. Infact, what we should be talking is how similar both Herrera and Strootman are. Both are box to box midfielders. And from what we've seen from Di Maria so far, he's more comfortable in midfield than on the wings. That's another box to box CM we have on our hand.

What we actually need is a playmaker that can knit play together in the centre of play and that player isn't Strootman, I would rather have his team mate, Pjanic or a player like Verratti. These are the players the team need, Carrick and Blind have tried their best to knit play together but there's little they can do as they aint playmakers, they are holding midfielders.
Infact, they are being burdened with two works and once either of them is marked out, the team is a goner just like the team did against Leicester when Blind was marked out.

coogar:
where in that comment did i suggest strootman is a defender?



i will take a half-fit hummels over the shambles we paraded this afternoon. we cannot win nada with this backline & we should stop hoping their fitness will improve - these centre-halves are sick notes - it's their genetic code.

You said we need 3 defenders and then, proceeded to mention Hummel, Godin and Strootman. So, what was I supposed to think?
As a matter of fact, we don't even need Strootman in midfield nor 'defence'.

coogar:
to think carrick - a makeshift defender was our best defender today just tells you everything you need to know. van gaal should move jones, evans & smalling to crystal palace. we need 3 fit defenders. hummels, godin & strootman will do this january.

roma are out of champions league - strootman has no excuses now than to join us.

Strootman is a defender now? Shior.

Odunharry:
Juan Mata has now scored 11 goals in his last 18 games for Manchester United

Impressive

What?
He's what we call stat padder, much more worse than Rooney.

coogar:
if bill gates' classmates didn't turn out good, who are the men bossing the FTSE100 then? aliens? where are the women? if you look within NASA(the breeding ground of geniuses) too, only 18% of their active astronauts are women.

you are a foolish woman!
your argument holds no ground - the number of women in bill gates' class bears no relevance, there's no law in the constitution that prohibits women from studying any course they wish to study.

i don't even know how your stüpid self got into this intellectual discourse with your mgbeke mentality. when it's time to discuss the viability of tomatoes & red pepper in the dry season, we shall call for you to give us your expert opinion. this discourse is intellectually out of your league.

You didn't answer the question?
So the men bossing FTSE100 are Bill's clasmmates and all the men in his class? Shior.

Another lucky day. De gea to the rescue and Sterling forgetting his shooting boot at home.
Only God knows when the luck will run out, probably when Carrick and Blind are out injured.

coogar:
you are a foolish human being!
if there are female geniuses like you put it, there would be 50 of them in FTSE-100, there would be at least 140 female presidents in the world. female engineers won't be a mere 9% of all british engineers.

you don't even know turkey is the same category as nigeria & you want to engage me in a debate about the roles of women in human achievements. you need a complete education all over again before you can start.

your IQ is less than your bra size.

You should have thought of it before saying 'the whites'. It's not really a suprise 'cos for a start, you have no brain to engage but to regurgitate.
Let see just how foolish you are by asking you this, How many women were in Bills' class? Did all the men in Bills' class turn out to be great men? How about naming those that turned out to be CEO and great men?

Lastly, what have you invented? I'm sure you can't even answer the questions. Such a stup!d person with stup!d reasoning.

Leave the house for weeks and tell her it would continue like this if she doesn't change her temperament.

coogar:
you are hopelessly stüpid!
the men in bill gates' class are the ones bossing the FTSE100 - where female CEOs aren't more than 5......out of 100 positions.

then it's clear you are an illiterate when you mentioned turkey. turkey isn't a developed country - it's not different from nigeria. focus on the developed countries where women have had more than 100 years of education.

how's what i have invented gotta do with the discussion? am i caucasian? are you? when you start getting personal over smaller issues like this then you further reinforce my beliefs that you, as a woman, cannot be logical without a dose of emotional outbursts.

you are a disgrace to your gender!

Getting personal? Don't have time for that. I'm just finding you funny. Coogar the same yesterday, today and forever. No ounce of improvement.
What have you invented that makes you better than the female out there is the question?
I believe there are geniuses out there that are better than anyone, including you but using them as yardsticks to belittle female just shows how foolish you are.

coogar:
so bill gates, steve jobs, etc are turkish?



the men in bill gates' class must be doing something good elsewhere in other fields - the point is women have had more than 100 years in free education in the developed world & none of them has pulled any trees. that should be your concern & stop using your mgbeke village lens to view a global issue.

Same with the women.
Why the question on Steve and Bill being turkish? Weren't you the one that said the conversation should be centred on the whites? Or are the turkish black? Shior.
Anyway, the question of the day still remains, 'what have you invented?'

coogar:
so bill gates, steve jobs, etc are turkish?



the men in bill gates' class must be doing something good elsewhere in other fields - the point is women have had more than 100 years in free education in the developed world & none of them has pulled any trees. that should be your concern & stop using your mgbeke village lens to view a global issue.

Same with the women.
Stop asking me if Bill and Steve are turkish, were you not the one who said the conversation should be centred on the white? Arrant Nonsense!
I will ask you again, what have you invented?

coogar:
stop talking nonsense....
every child has access to free education in the west. when we are talking about female inventors, you really think the scope is about africans? are you a doofus? we are talking about white females - not your mgbeke types!



you need brain nutrients!
if women & men had access to free education as far back as the 40s, there's no reason a staggering 95% of the CEOs in the FTSE100 should be men. if it's 60:40 ratio or 55:45 ratio then it's understandable but 95:5?

christ!

But I'm in Nigeria. And are you saying all those things I listed only happens in africa? How about those turkish people who discriminate against females? Whatever.
And I'm asking you again what happened to the rest of the men in Bill Gate's class?
Let me also ask you, what have you invented or done that a woman can't? Lets start from here. Stop leeching on other people archivement.