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SailorXY:
so where do you categorize Herrera?
& what 'playmaker' do you suggest to complete the jigsaw?

parrotibaba:
@Shirley u hv not given me stats to proof dat Oscar was a better playmaker Dan Mata at Chelsea... till u do so,case closed





In other news

Rooney: Manutd can win d EPL

Dis is d first time in over a year dat our players believe dat de can win d EPL title, last season ,it was only Moyes ,despite languishing in 7th position, desperately clung to d belief of winning d title

parrotibaba:
u see ur self ...we were arguing about mata n Oscar who was better n u cunningly shifted d discussion to playing time, rubbish!!! I only mentioned eriksen n Wesley cos u mentioned age ,nothing more n we r not comparing leagues,bring out Oscar's stats n compare it to mata's den maybe we will talk ,for now,I put it to u dat u hate Juan mata with all ur life

leggo:
you sir ,are silly. Playmaking is not about creating chances?are you telling me a player who makes a play cannot by so doing create a chance? Young man resume your remedial classes

coogar:
messi is better than any playmaker in the world. if he plays in the hole, he's deadly, if he's upfront, he's even deadlier. it's a travesty to compare silva to messi in any way. there's nothing silva can do better than messi. messi can dribble more, run faster, pass better, create more chances & score more goals.

shirley07 needs to buy HDTV.....

leggo:
lol.. Illiteracy will kill you Messi creates more chances , records more assists, has more accurate passes in the opposition half , and to top it of scores baskets. Please check for the definition of a playmaker - a player through which most of the offensive play goes through. Stop blabbing over a single game, wilshere also outplayed xaviesta but where is he now?

parrotibaba:
mate ,we r not talking about age here, Wesley Sneijer was how many years old when he was d playmaker at ajax? Christien Eriksen was barely 20 when he became d playmaker at ajax too...d truth is, Oscar was never a playmaker, Mourinho realised it n acted out fast, n we saw dat during d world cup ,Last season when Mata left n after a few games of praising Oscar, he started dwindling, Chelsea had Hazard n willian n in some cases shurrle to carry dia blue a$$ along, Oscar faded






to d second bolded, if u didn't hate Mata u wouldn't be lying ur a$$ off even when d stats r glaring right in ur face,being a two time player of d year at Chelsea isn't a fluke, Mata is dat good, u hv to climb down d hate ladder to accept dis mate

tess1:
So, in your own word, Zidane, Xavi and Sholes are not creative.

Of course Cleverly is not a playmaker because he is not creative.

tess1:
What does that penetrative/incisive passes do? It is part of their primary role to either create an assist or create a pass that leads to an assist(purpose of those incisive/penetrative passes). If Cleverly were to be doing that, he wouldn't be on loan to Aston Villa.

parrotibaba:
@Shirley ,from all of ur yammering ,I got 2 things

(1)U hate Mata,it's d truth cos u won't lie about a player dat won d best player at Chelsea twice n say he went missing in most matches during his time at Chelsea, remember ,u r not d only one dat watches Chelsea, I have Chelsea fans as friends

(2)U don't know dat creativity tallies with being a playmaker ,it's like a car with wheels, it's a necessary component., u can't compare Oscar to Mata in any sense, if Oscar was so good, Mourinho wouldn't hv made Fabregas his playmaker after only one season of Oscar being his playmaker... I will honestly suggest u hit d net n find out more about playmaking


For d guys arguing about whether Rooney played in d hole during the 2011/2012 season ,d answer is YES ,he did but not d whole season, hell he even played as a DM in our match against Otelu Galati in d UCL ...
During d period dat injuries ravaged our squad (like it's doing now) ,Rooney was deployed in d number 10 role until at least cleverly came back from injury...

tess1:
That's the creativity we are talking about. They create something special out of their passes. Every playmaker must have the quality to create chances, assist or assist before assist. That's what makes them special and different and that's the creativity. Being able to fashion out a through pass.

Cleverly makes a lot of passes. He is always one of the players with highest percentage of passes completion. What then made so many fans dislike his play was his not being creative with his passes. That was the person we were told would've taken over from Scholes.

coogar:
what then is the role of a playmaker if he's not creating chances? why are you tying yourself up in a tortuous knot of logic?

leggo:
Why do you argue with the absence of logic and with abundance of contradictions? Messi drops deep to make-a-play, what is he if not a playmaker then? Don't ever mention silva in the same breath as messi. A travesty!

tess1:
So his primary duty is to pass, pass and pass without being crreative? So what makes their passes different from other players` passes on the field of play?

tess1:
There is nothing that we won`t read on this thread. How will a PLAYMAKER not be CREATIVE? How on earth will a person who makes so many passes and killer passes will not be creative? Making those rare and defence spliting passes make them creative.

Nihilist:
You dont even know what you're talking about.

First you say the Playmaker doesn't need to be creative, then you say the playmaker has to be throwing through pass by fire by force.

Then you say Oscar is a playmaker. My friend, you need to go and sleep. You are chatting pure bollocks

leggo:
as long as I get notifications I'm invited. Young man, watch barcelona play and don't just drop stale analogies here. Messi drops deep into the centre circle to build plays, he is classed a legend because he still somehow manages to finish such plays.

leggo:
this xaviesta line is cliche, the playmaking aspect of messi's game has been grossly understated all of Barca's best moves have him at the heart of it. Please stop arguing like you work for NTA.

coogar:
so why did a football pundit say this?






so rooney's 5 yard pass to di maria was more difficult than mata's pass to rooney leading to RVP's goal last night?




that was the half time report.....
so oscar went on to complete 80% by full time but mata completed 91% of his passes at full time.

so we ask again - who's the better passer of the ball?

coogar:
oscar is a defender posing to be a playmaker - he's got nothing over mata apart from his defensive quality. oscar is excellent at his secondary role but very poor at his primary role.

45% pass accuracy is the worst i have seen since OPTA started collating stats.

Nihilist:
I have honestly never in my life heard such a foolish utterance before. Mata is not a playmaker, but Oscar is?

coogar:
you weren't differentiating anything...,



why are you lying now?
everyone knew rooney underhit the pass & that was exactly the reason di maria had to chip the ball.....



he has the most blocked shots of any striker in the world. rooney can't think straight - he doesn't dummy his markers.....he hits the ball straight at the direction he's facing. too predictable!



halftime at OT.....

https://i.imgur.com/qm807JC.png

45% pass accuracy - oscar is indeed the best playmaker in the northern hemisphere. shirley is correct.

leggo:
lol.. Never say this in public again. Messi stands head and shoulders above silva in every aspect of the game

coogar:
silva plays for the better team in the last 2-3 seasons at least. silva vs mata on the pitch is your fantasy. the two of them don't see eye to eye on the pitch so how can silva make mata his bïtch?



and it's not badluck that they lost to united? i laugh each time people select when to use bad luck as their excuse. the saints lost to a hopeless liverpool side with morgan in the team & you deemed it bad luck - why not use the same excuse in the games they have lost without morgan?



morgan is shyte!
if he was good, he woulda followed the mass exodus of his team mates last summer. no big club came for him.



it's a combination of many variables - the fixtures favoured them & they have a decent coach who made many smart buys. nothing to do with morgan schnerderlin.



where was his brain against liverpool & spurs?



oscar can't clean mata's boots.
if oscar was better, mata wouldn't have won player of the season for 2 consecutive seasons.



mata is miles better than oscar bar defensive qualities. mata is too small to offer anything defensively. he's short & small-framed.....in the attacking part of the game, only zola is better than mata in the last 15 seasons or thereabout.

Nihilist:
This kain highness? On a Monday?

coogar:
messi passes the ball better than silva.



as soon as he left, chelsea won nothing. while he was there, they won champions league, europa league & other domestic competitions.

chelsea won 0 titles when mata left.



i like your usage of the word luxury - it simply means mata is a star player. put him anywhere & his stats speak for itself. how many goals has he scored now this season despite his limited number of minutes.




you are a dullard
is carrick a playmaker or not? that's the crux of the matter. this is probably your first time of hearing the term deep-lying playmaker - you should be paying me for the education you get from me.

if you knew carrick was a playmaker, you wouldn't have made the other idiötic statement about what carrick was doing on the list as if i was the one that created the list. fact remains carrick was the deep-lying playmaker making the "assist of the assists" to the wingers who were supplying our strikers.

this is another big discovery that rooney wasn't in the hole in 11/12 like you have lied to us for years. the route to attack that year was carrick to the wingers --> wingers to the strikers. a deep-lying playmaker can go direct to the strikers or make assist of assists. another football education for you.

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elampawa, who is your daddy in this game?

coogar:
how did they lose to spurs & liverpool with schnerderlin on the pitch?



they dropped 7 points when he was in the team. what the chairman said is typical in england. some players become legends while on the bench cos everyone somehow feels if they are fit to play, they would get victories for their team.



defensively, silva is better.
when it comes to the attacking side of football, mata shytes on silva over & over again. it's shouldn't even be compared.



so in your opinion, oscar is a better player than mata?

coogar:
juan mata is a fraud?
mata of life is a fraud? are you high on shekpe? if chelsea didn't have an out of form torres on their books in the first 2 seasons, mata would have recorded 30 league assists per season.

you have to be intelligent to do this....

https://giant.gfycat.com/SorrowfulGargantuanKarakul.gif

can you see the slide-rule pass to rooney? fat rooney messed it up & the ball fell back to mata. another player would have taken the shot then but mata isn't just another player....his vision told him van persie is better placed to score.


this is pure intelligence at it's best....

coogar:
juan mata is a fraud?
mata of life is a fraud? are you high on shekpe? if chelsea didn't have an out of form torres on their books in the first 2 seasons, mata would have recorded 30 league assists per season.

you have to be intelligent to do this....

https://giant.gfycat.com/SorrowfulGargantuanKarakul.gif

can you see the slide-rule pass to rooney? fat rooney messed it up & the ball fell back to mata. another player would have taken the shot then but mata isn't just another player....his vision told him van persie is better placed to score.


this is pure intelligence at it's best....

coogar:
southampton are on the losing end because they have been found out, their luck has run out, they are now facing a higher quality of opposition, etc. it's too simplistic to put it down on the injured schnerderlin. southampton have won games in the past without him.



tadic isn't finding it difficult to create chances....he created 5 chances(open play) against united only a week ago.



silva & mata played exactly in the same position in 11/12. mata was drafted left of the attack that season even when most pundits thought he should be played centrally.



this is the most hilarious comment ever.
what do you take players & managers for? do you know how many drills, trainings, instructions, simulations, etc that these players go through before games?

how can chelsea players not recognise their playmaker when they musta drilled & simulated their coming game in training all week? the player with the most toüches is the playmaker - it's not coincidence that other players look for him for inspiration - that's the tactical approach the manager must have drilled into them.

Nihilist:
He dictated nada?

So what was he doing when he was having more passes and touches of the ball than any other Chelsea player?
Playing draught?