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 Christianity Etc › Official Translation Of The Interview With Pope Francis On Gays by shumax(op): 10:00am On Jul 30, 2013 |
And finally the most complete transcript of the full remarks of Pope Francis on the plane this morning returning from Rio comes from a couple of sources. The first question was: Holiness, there was news published about the intimacy of Monsignor Ricci, how will you address this issue and how does His Holiness intend to address the whole issue of the "gay lobby"? Vatican reporter John Allen gives this transcript of the Pope’s remarks: The Ricca Case “I did what canon law requires, which is to conduct a preliminary investigation. We didn’t find anything to confirm the things he was accused of, there was nothing … I’d like to add that many times we seem to seek out the sins of somebody’s youth and publish them. We’re not talking about crimes, which are something else. The abuse of minors, for instance, is a crime. But one can sin and then convert, and the Lord both forgives and forgets. We don’t have the right to refuse to forget … it’s dangerous. The theology of sin is important. St. Peter committed one of the greatest sins, denying Christ, and yet they made him pope! Think about that.” Gay Lobby “There’s a lot of talk about the gay lobby, but I’ve never seen it on the Vatican ID card!” “When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have good will, who am I to judge them? They shouldn’t be marginalized. The tendency [to homosexuality] is not the problem … they’re our brothers.” One final add on to the pope’s gay lobby remarks and was provided by the BBC: “The problem is lobbying by this orientation, or lobbies of greedy people, political lobbies, Masonic lobbies, so many lobbies. This is the worse problem." Now what is wrong with what he said  ?further read: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/what-pope-francis-could-not-mean-regarding-gay-priests-and-what-he-actually |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by shumax(op): 9:37am On Jul 30, 2013 |
pet_saint: Nice justification there. I presume you are a catholic. we all are waiting for the day when a pro gay pope will be elected, at least that pope can forgive their sins and they will become full brothers able to take the sacrament. we await the man of lawlessness and the beast that will give him powerYes i am a catholic and proud of it, I am also praying that the day when a pro gay pope will be elected will never come; but even at that Gay people have never been stoped from recieving the sacraments if they lead chaste lives, the catholic church has always said having homosexual tendencies is not a sin, it is a temptation and we all face temptation, but the sin is in given in to the homosexual act. Dominus vosbiscum 25 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by shumax(op): 8:55pm On Jul 29, 2013 |
this is a long read but for all those who are interested, it presents the real scenero of what made the pope made such a statement and what it really means The press is buzzing right now with claims that Pope Francis has taken a sharply different line than his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, on the subject of homosexuality. Some are suggesting that the new pope has announced that "gay is okay." What did Pope Francis really say, and how unusual is it? Here are 7 things to know and share . . . 1) Where did Pope Francis make these remarks? He made them during an 80-minute interview with reporters aboard the plane returning from World Youth Day in Brazil. 2) What was he asked that led to the remarks? We may not know exactly what the question was until a transcript is released, but apparently, he was asked about the reputed "gay lobby" at the Vatican. More info on that here. 3) What exactly did he say? According to the best current accounts, he said: There's a lot of talk about the gay lobby, but I've never seen it on the Vatican ID card. When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn't be marginalized. The tendency [i.e., same-sex attraction] is not the problem ... they're our brothers. 4) What does this mean? The first part of the statement seems to downplay the who "gay lobby" issue. He's not denying that there is one there, but he's suggesting that the talk is somewhat overblown. He then explains his approach to dealing with gay people: He distinguishes between their "being gay" and "being part of a lobby." What he means by "being gay" is something he further unpacks. In ordinary parlance, "being gay" can mean anything from having same-sex attraction to leading an active "gay lifestyle" to endorsing and advocating a pro-homosexual ideology. The last of these would be functioning as a member of a lobby, and he indicates that this is not what he is talking about. He then describes those he is talking about as people who "accept the Lord and have goodwill." He then seems to further clarify who he is talking about by saying that "The tendency [i.e., same-sex attraction] is not the problem ... they're our brothers." Taking his statements together, what emerges is a portrait of individuals who have same-sex attraction but who nevertheless accept the Lord and have goodwill, as opposed to working to advance a pro-homosexual ideology. This would definitely include people with same-sex attraction who strive to live chastely (even if they sometimes fail). It also, possibly, could include individuals who are not living chastely but who are not actively lobbying a homosexual agenda. It would be nice if he'd said a little more to clarify the point further. 5) What does he say about people in this category? He says that he does not think he is in a position to judge them and that they should not be marginalized. He also says that the mere tendency (same-sex attraction) "is not the problem," and that "they're our brothers." 6) How new is this? Not very. Disclaiming a right to "judge" others is something that goes back to Jesus. It does not mean a failure to recognize the moral character of others' actions, however. One can form a moral appraisal that what someone else is doing is wrong (Jesus obviously does not forbid that) without having or showing malice toward them. The statement that they should not be marginalized is similarly in keeping with the Holy See's approach to the subject, as 1992 Vatican document On the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons. The statement that same-sex attraction "is not the problem," when understood correctly, is also nothing new. "The problem," as Pope Francis seems to here be understanding it, is going beyond merely having a sinful tendency--a temptation to which one is subject. Obviously, temptations are problem, but if we resist temptation we do not sin. "The problem," on this understanding, is giving into the temptation and sinning or--worse--building an ideology around the sin and trying to advocate the sin. Finally, the statement that "they're our brothers" is also no novelty. Christians, like everyone, have struggled with every sort of temptation all through history. Same-sex attraction is just one temptation among numerous others, and the fact that a person suffers from this temptation no more deprives him of the status of being a brother in Christ than any other temptation does. Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-what-pope-francis-said-about-gays#ixzz2aUx6DLdG 11 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Did The Pope Really Say Sins Can Be Forgiven Via Twitter?? by shumax(op): 4:04pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Absolve your sins on Twitter Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online This were some of the funny headlines many of us saw last week on the social media sites. But did the pope really say he would forgive sins through twitter? What did he really say? While I know many People would never give the catholic church a chance to defend herself but I would appreciate if for the purpose of these particular issue many of you settle down and understand this. The Pope didn’t say sins would be forgiven through twitter, he said Indulgence could be obtained. The issue now WHAT IS INDULGENCE ?, This I would try to explain in simple termsCatholics believe when we commit sin 2 things happen, we stop the work of divine grace in our souls and then merit hell in case of a mortal sin or at least deserve a certain kind of consequence for our sins, when we repent truthfully and confess this sins, God forgives us but then the sin still leaves a little attachment which as Catholics we believe we must through prayer fasting or other works of charity perform to overcome the attachment to this sin, if we die before we are able to effect a perfect detachment from the attachment to sin, we believe Purgatory is a state in which the remaining attachment to this sin will be removed, the church teaches based on the words of Jesus to the first Bishops, the apostles “whatever you bind on earth shall be bind in heaven and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” that By granting indulgence, the church exercises this power to her members who truly have repented of their sins but might not have fully achieved a perfect detachment from their sins to be relieved of the punishment which in this case is time spent in purgatory if they show a genuine desire to want to gain this benefit, the truth is, even if the pope approves the conditions for this indulgence individuals have to genuinely desire it by certain actions which they devotedly do. One of such activities is a pilgrimage to a holy site or event like the world youth day and the Pope has in this case declared that if you genuinely had intended to attend the world youth day event but due to legimate reasons could not attend you can still gain the indulgence by following the programmes with the same devotion as if you were in the event. This programs can be followed either through television or the social networks he never mentioned twitter. Here is the link from the Vaticanhttp://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/tribunals/apost_penit/documents/rc_trib_appen_doc_20130709_decreto-indulgenze-gmg_en.html Pls I would entertain genuine questions on areas you need clarification |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pope To Priests - Buy Humble Cars by shumax: 11:41am On Jul 08, 2013 |
andyzoga: So,tell us about Shepherd 1 &2.http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Shepherd_One http://www.nowpublic.com/world/pope-benedict-xvi-arrived-aboard-shepherd-one |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pope To Priests - Buy Humble Cars by shumax: 11:13am On Jul 08, 2013 |
drake2005: Brainwashed African id$iot. You think this people care iota about you? This people championed slavery...catholic church admitted to participating in slave trade...this is a factual statement and papacy admitted it. IT'S ON RECORD.oga stop lying ooooo, the catholic church only apologised for not being very firm and forceful in stoping it, she never accepted being part of slave trade why do you guys like spreading lies and you call yourself christians |
| TV/Movies › Re: The Most Annoying Advert You Have Seen On TV? by shumax: 10:49am On Jul 08, 2013 |
Lordave: If you watch EPL on DSTV you'd know about this Stanbic IBTC advert. One guy like that going to work, on his way stopped and started dancing at the main road, he finished dancing and made his way to the bank.I'm TELLING YOU ITS SO ANNOYING |
| Family › Re: Greatest Prank I Played On My Parents by shumax: 2:06pm On Jun 26, 2013 |
dojumav: See me see trouble dat day o... I decided to scare the shit out of mum c. Twas around 9pm dat day, waiting for her to come back from church.. Na so i hide for back of gate o, covered with mosquito net.. As she enter like dis na so i just grab her handbag... Come see shout, she run leave her hand bag....come see shout... Come see blood of Jesus.... D kind beating wey i recieve dat day no be small  i swear this really got me |
| TV/Movies › Yeh Vaada Raha by shumax(op): 11:14pm On May 10, 2013 |
who is watching Yeh Vaada raha the promise on DSTV S Max 457 |
| TV/Movies › Re: Which Of These Indian Movies Made You Cry In The 1980s? by shumax: 10:17pm On May 03, 2013 |
trolling: Sing with me doesi numberi hey hey doesi numberiloved this movie too |
| TV/Movies › Re: Which Of These Indian Movies Made You Cry In The 1980s? by shumax: 10:16pm On May 03, 2013 |
Yeh Va da raha (sunita) Jawaani Mr India the Number 10 i think desi numberi and love in tokyo these movies touched my heart and these thread bringing strong nostalgic feelings |
| Christianity Etc › Re: UK Priest Allows Muslims To Pray In His Church, Hit By Abuse On Facebook by shumax: 8:50pm On Apr 28, 2013 |
saintvc: Thats catholic for you,no discriminationit isnt a catholic church its an Anglican/ Episcopal church, catholics would never o that |
| Christianity Etc › Happy Birthday Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI by shumax(op): 10:17pm On Apr 16, 2013 |
| Fashion › Re: Jennifer Lopez Or Kim Kardashian: Who Wore It Better? by shumax: 10:50am On Apr 16, 2013 |
Abeg J. Lo did joor, kim looks slutty |
| Christianity Etc › " Roman Catholic" by shumax(op): 9:56am On Apr 15, 2013 |
There is a trend I have noticed in the religious thread a very dangerous one for us catholics, and one we have been ignorant about or maybe indifferent. Never has the church called herself "Roman catholic", the term roman catholic is used only in reference to cardinals and that relates to thier duties as parish priest of the churches in Rome, the term Roman catholic is recent and first appeared "in the English language at the beginning of the 17th century, to differentiate specific groups of Christians in communion with the Pope from others" (wikepedia)it was started by the heretical Anglican sect to give credence to their false religion there is only one catholic church and Her head is the Pope, the church has never called herself Roman catholic, there is nothing like Roman catholic in any church document, let us not allow anybody redefine for us what has been known from time. Further readings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_(term) http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/when-did-the-term-roman-catholic-church-first-come-into-being http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/churb3.htm 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: For Catholics: Who Is Your Favorite Saint? by shumax: 9:36am On Apr 15, 2013 |
Carlosein: you have it? i have only read about him. sure would like to see the movie.here is a link to a movie on St John Bosco it is in ten parts of 10 mins each this is the link to the first part from there you will get the other part https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYy2GnFFz7s |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye: A Jet is Necessary For God's Work by shumax: 10:11am On Apr 14, 2013 |
muami: The fact that the FALSE statement made by Ogbeche77 has so far received 17 'likes' says a lot about the level of intelligence and knowledge of the people who are always looking for what to criticize about pastors.your poor understanding of the catholic church is so evident and your hatred for it wont allow youu clarify things, it is most unfair and a big lie to say ,majority of catholics including bishops and priest go against church teachings a few do and the church is xlear that anybody who goes againt church teaching has excommunicated himself excepts he repents even though they still claim to be catholics and as for your claim of pope having two jets this article says it all http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-has-no-money-or-space-for-private-plane-says-priest/ 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye: A Jet is Necessary For God's Work by shumax: 10:08am On Apr 14, 2013 |
Ibro Yaya: ^^^ Big Fat lie!!http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-has-no-money-or-space-for-private-plane-says-priest/ |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye: A Jet is Necessary For God's Work by shumax: 10:07am On Apr 14, 2013 |
Symphony007: my dear, don't mislead people to defend the indefensible. Sherpard one is not even the name of a particular plane. Sherpard one is the call sign for any plane the pope is flying in. That is what air traffic controllers call anyplane the pope is one. And when he pope travels, the vatican hires an air italia plane for him and his staff. It's a commercial plane with the pope having his own seat. So my dear, there is no plane like "sherpard one" it's a call sign. So even if the pope is in a carton that is flying, it will be reffered to as "sherpard one".Abeg tell them ooooo, i dont know why people just come on line and say rubbish without verifying 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye: A Jet is Necessary For God's Work by shumax: 10:06am On Apr 14, 2013 |
muami: Firstly, the pope 'owns' a private jet the same way Pastor Adeboye 'owns' a private jet. No jet is registered in their name. However, they both have jets that is available for their use whenever they want it.its unfortunate you hold on to your biased view on the catholic church isnt it a christian character to be fair and sincere in our approach to truth, the popes position in the world cant be compared to that of Pastor Adeboye, so his humility is something we must not stop commending and as for your lies on the pope having a private jet this article says it all http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-has-no-money-or-space-for-private-plane-says-priest/ 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye: A Jet is Necessary For God's Work by shumax: 10:03am On Apr 14, 2013 |
Dee60: There is possibly not a lot of demand for the pope to travel around. A church like the Redeemed Christian Church of God is massively evangelizing to countries. There are thousands of churches around the world who would wish and who are inviting the GO of RCCG and that is the difference. Let God be the judge in this matter. The GO of RCCG and the church has been a blessing to Nigeria's image in more than 100 countries, yet we never learn to appreciate our own. Let god be the judge. Let us not compare people. Round pegs do not fit into square holes!more contries in the world demand the presence of the pope than they demand the presence of all pentecostal pastors join togeda after all majority of worshipers in those churches are Nigerians but the pope is a universal figure 2 Likes |
