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raumdeuter:
This is exactly my point. Aguero spends more time in opponents box, Lukaku is busy half way and even left back defending yet you expect him to score as much as Aguero

This matter is self-explanatory. You just ended it with your screenshots above. Ukaku was even in our defence against fuckin Watford, but Ageuro wasn't anywhere near their final third talk more more of their defence.

Ageuro might be benched under Mourinho unless he contributes defensively to please Mou. No be Mourinho tell Hazard to defend alongside his team-mates?

There's a reason why Mourinho termed Ukaku "untouchable"?

elampiro:
It is an established way of analysing it here. Coogar used it always, and no one (including me) ever disputed it. It is fact that when comparisons are made as at given date, you assume the figures to be your working guide until the situation changes.

If your goals per minutes is better, you are the better scorer. And it is assumed you are more likely to score.

Too much reliance on stats is bad. A month ago Adelana posted a stat that showed that Iago Aspas and about 3 other strikers scored goals that "won their teams more points" than Messi, Suarez and C. Ronaldo.

An unintelligent football analysts will foolishly declare Aspas as a better striker than Messi and Co. Afterall his goals were more "important" and Messi /CR7 were scoring "unimportant" league goals. But we know better.

Morata scored more "important" goals than Benzema, but Benzema is the top striker at Madrid till now while he's sold off.

Too much dependent on stats is bad. Cisse was scoring for fun for Newcastle in his debut season, using your analogy, he shouldn't had stop scoring for fun the next season.

Nothing is constant, Bro. Suarez was once prolific, right now he looks like the ghost of the real Suarez.

Murray might come January and even stop scoring for 10 matches in a row. Nothing is constant.

raumdeuter:
The reverse is the case for me, Most of the awards won by Messi and Ronaldo were fully deserved because they have on field performances to back it up.

Its people like Terry who cant back it up with any on field performance that benefit from the popularity contest stuff

For several months no one can point where Terry distiguished himself beyond a carry along outside of the league if its CL Euro or world cup

Dayo, we've been through this many times. A defender or player doesn't have to be in a final before he'll be rewarded for his contribution during the group stages, round of 16, quarter-final etc. Boateng didn't make the finals, but he was in the team of the tournament at Euros.

Cr7 barely contributed anything at the finals coz of his injury, he still made team of the tournament. Finals is just one match. It can't wipe away all the contributions in other matches.

Are SOME of John Terry's awards due to popularity? Yes.

Are ALL of them due to popularity? No. I don't think so.

elampiro:
Joselu played against Liverpool at half line as lead striker, and scored. Newcastle 1 Liverpool 1

Scott played against Liverpool at half line as lead striker against Liverpool and scored. I think that match also ended 1-1

Murray played against us at Old Trafford at half line and scored.

But people say Lukaku didn’t score because he played at half line against Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham. When has playing at half line being a license not to score?

Cool. Now, describe one or two chances Ukaku got against Loserfool and missed. I want to see the chance he got.

Against Newcastle, it's a defensive error that gave Joselu that goal. Which defensive error did Loserfool commit against us and when Ukaku got it, he missed?

I'm waiting for your reply.

A team is parking the bus, their CF Is also defending with the team, barely making it past the half line, and you expect the striker to score? Where will he see the chance? Who will provide the chance for him? His team-mates defending deep in their own half?

raumdeuter:
When I said awards were popularity contests, everyone on here was shouting. When I said Terry and Hazard won popularity contests people shouted

Now all those who shouted are now agreeing that awards are popularity contests. diggz

sinizia you now see what I said about when I say some things it takes the average person 1-2yrs to catch up

I knew these awards were popularity contests to be honest, especially after the disgusting robbing of Sneijder in 2010.

My only issue was that I disagreed that every single award of John Racist was popularity contest. At least one or two had to be genuine.

elampiro:
Goals are measured per minutes.


This is why some of you no know ball. Common sense says if Murray played the same number matches (game time) as Lukaku, he wood score more.

Murray also scored in a big game playing at half line. But Lukaku, na so so story.

I disagree. It's an unproven fact, your words in emboldened. Most things are 100% uncertain in football.

Going by your words above, why didn't Shevchenko scored like he did at Ac Milan for Chelshit?

Why didn't Toress score like he did at Loserfool for Chelshit?

That Murray fella might come to United and be like Keane was for Loserfool. Nothing is certain.

elampiro:
What I have done so far is to show you that playing at half line against a better opposition while your team play defensive, does not prevent goal scoring.

If strikers of smaller teams can do with, why should it be an excuse for Lukaku.

Take Kane for instance, let Tottenham park the bus against Madrid, he will still score.

How can you type this and still post it with a straight face? Because Murray scored while his heat map was in the half line means against any team a striker MUST score while his team is defending all through?

Please, how on earth did you expect Lukaku to score in our match against Loserfool? If you watched the match, where did Ukaku see a chance to wreck havoc?

Did you expect Ukaku who's in the midfield defending as Loserfool battered us to dribble like Messi from the midfield and score?

In match that we parked trailer, you expected Ukaku to perform miracle? A striker has more chances of scoring in an attacking line-up. Stop using Murray to judge every striker.

That Toress scored against Barca while Chelshit were defending for their lives doesn't mean that he might score that chance in another match.

Zlatan had only one chance against Loserfool last year at their turf and missed it. How will you expect Zlatan to score when United defended all through and could only provide one good chance by Pogba? How many strikers will always convert every chances? Even if Zlatan had scored that chance, on other day, he may miss it. No striker will be fruitful playing like we did against Loserfool. He's not a ghost and can't dribble his way from the midfield like he's invisible.

diggz:
Cc Nihilist_, airmark_,raumdeuter_,sod09_, chic2pimp_

Go your house!!

funlord:
So it is not rude to talk down on people? And is dayo a united fan? Why should he not talk down on non bayern fans? That is his right as a rival! Anyway I have pointed out his folly you can placate him if you want but I won't! It won't be long before another _fuck up occurs! Abeg make I go fagbo dey laugh una for one corner.....

I'm not trying to placate him. You're right, looking at it now, Elampawa does seem to have exhibited condescending attitude with his posts, but it still doesn't change the fact that Elampawa usually doesn't out-rightly insult people first. I can vouch for him for that.

The only person I know he did that to was Afrødoc and when he pointed that out, Elampawa apologised.


That said, Elampiro I think you'd stop using the you no know ball words coz people find it insulting.

funlord:
Don't you feel like insulting him sometimes?

No, I don't. I found Elampawa more annoying during his defense of Rooney way back but I never felt the reason to insult him because I knew he's civil with the way he went about it, mostly. Him and Cöogar would argue for months even years but still tried hard to keep it civil. I found annoying excuses Elampawa put up for Rooney's decline, but it'd never reach to the extent to feel like insulting him.

His condescending attitude and generally poor online chat approach is a lightning rod for insults? Who gets paid for getting likes? Why lie or create dumb excuses just to seem knowledgeable? Which award is given for writing epistles of trash? Which one is "footballing intelligentsia?" "I am the king of analysis?" "I am never wrong?" ......even me that balls in Manchester steady and has even met his god wazza won't stoop so low to start forming rubbish! Abeg the nigga needs to check himself before he wrecks himself....it is the height of immaturity to always want to act like you know online....this was why 2 niggas got decapitated by some girls on the runs thread yesterday! Elamps is childish...EOD!

@emboldened, How's that different from Räumdeuter's words like "I'm never wrong. . . . I pack more football knowledge in my toe nails than you have in your entire existence. . . . Pick any issue about football and I will defeat you. . . . All you know about football can be written in a grain of rice"?

This is different from the issue on the Ashawo thread yesterday. The person involved is a rude misogynistic man that can't handle women not parting their legs for him or turning down his advances. Was he not the one that they took his matter to Twitter? He sent Ibikayëe loads of email and yet turned around to call her obese coz the lass doesn't fancy him. How's that related to Elampawa saying you no know ball? Condescending it seems, but not to be compared to the rude character of Paulkillėrman.

hoopLA:
Oga stop this arse-licking abeg. It's too early in the day. Even Johnny Cochran wasn't this much of a defense lawyer.

Nobody appointed you senior prefect for law and order on these pages. And even if you were you have no right to tell me how to behave.

If somebody didn't sleep last night because he feels it is its divine right to blame Lukaku for yesterday's game, he should save it for its wife at home and stop disturbing us with its madness.

OK.

lekkie073:
u no know ball is an insult. More like me saying u r dumb

I've never felt insulted coz of it, and many people find it funny. TBH, this is the first I'm reading that people find it insulting. If so, he'd stop it then.

lekkie073:
elampiro don employ u as advocate

Hoop has verbally destroyed Söd09 severally here, I didn't bother coz he's not a United fan, but I don't usually like it when I see United fans insulting each other. That's all.

funlord:
You were saying? This was how those days of dark rebels psychosis you were usually the only one that usually stood in his corner? Is it right for this young man to continually talk down on people he does not know here? So this is what you term "devoid" of insults?

Bro, what you quoted now is Elampiro's insult AFTER he's been insulted. And Elampiro responded after about the 3rd round of insults. Please be fair in this judgement.

How many times have you ever seen Elampiro insult anyone FIRST? Elampiro is one of the most civil posters here who doesn't insult FIRST. He only retaliates which is fair enough.

Unless 'you no know ball' is an insult, then I stand my earlier stance that Elampiro is civil in discussions.

Mind you, the first time HoopLA insulted him, he overlooked it.

elrony:

Maduman, I know say you've been yearning for a heavyweight tussle to go down since last night.

Well, the Lord has finally answered your prayer.


*in D'banj's voice* It's about to do gown down.

eph12:
Finally somebody that knows ball
No vex elampiro and sinizia but una no know ball

I no go lie you, me no know ball.

eph12:
Occasionally top strikers misses these kind of big chances which is perfectly normal. Elampiro even brought a stat to prove this. They can only get better when they continue to get more and not playing from the midfield or as the SS instead of the CF and that is my point

I think Mourinho knowing him for the type of coach he is, is the one that encourages Ukaku to work hard for the team instead of usually being in the CF position to score goals. He's always praising Ukaku's defensive work rate which tells me Mourinho has his style written over it. Mourinho is the one IMHO, either through his tactics or encouragement, that has gotten Ukaku spending more time outside the 18-yard box instead of inside it.

eph12:
Sinizia we need someone that can spot a run and release those kind of diagonal defence splitting passes. Pogba needs a partner in the middle. Lukaku Rashford Martial Lingard and even the midfielders can share in the goals if they make the runs like they have been doing. They just need more people to spot the run before the defence recover

eph12:
Well I think we need more defence unlockers. Everyone can contribute to the goal scoring

I think you're right. Last season when we're linked with Grizzy, I wasn't among those that wanted him that much. I rather wanted us to get a TOP striker first and take care of positions like LB, RW, DM and AM before SS. Meaning I believed that with a young TOP quality striker, and our wing-forwards contributing to goals, we needed an AM the most rather than an SS.

hoopLA:
You didn't see him subtly insult me. All you saw is my response.

Normally I don't engage in stuff like this, but this fellow talks down on people in a way that is denigrating and debasing that it's revolting to me.

If you argue a position with him that is counter to his opinion, you no know ball. Even when the fellow has his foot in his mouth after goofing with his punditry.

So why am I the only one receiving this memo?

Tell me why he will pick on Lukaku even when we won? When Lukaku even scored and put in a decent shift? Isn't there something wrong somewhere?

Please without meaning to sound aggressive towards you, you are sending this memo to the wrong person. With due respect.

I sent the memo to you coz this is about the 3rd time you've viciously attacked Elampawa. He might have talked down on some fans here, but the viciousness of your insults is a tad too much, IMHO. And this "you no know ball" is not as insulting as you are trying to make it look. Elampawa has been using it since last season and we always laugh over it. When he used it on Döpejemi, Döpejemi used it back on him. It didn't degrade to outright insults.

As for picking on Ukaku, I still believe it doesn't need to go the insults path. If you don't agree to his opinion on Ukaku after a good performance, you state it and if Elampawa doesn't want to see things your way, you agree to disagree. That's civil enough. Elampawa is most of the times, always civil. He's very opinionated, and he does it without insults.

eph12:
Nah other strikers don't score easily. Look at all the attacking teams and compare their strikers output with Lukaku. I can't begin to mention all the strikers, home and abroad, but the difference is not what we paint it to be. Lukaku link up play has been good. He has kept the ball rolling for most of the goals we have scored recently. His goals will come if he stays in the box but can he afford to?

I worded my post back there wrongly. I meant score "easy chances" or "strikers goals" like Elampiro would call it. Look at what Morata missed last night, it's that sort of miss that would've caused chaos on this thread. Guaranteed that ALL strikers miss chances, but some chances are so huge that when strikers miss them you'll be wondering how they made it to professional football. Lukaku has had his fair share of big chances misses, same thing that made us angry about our strikers last season. It's why Pogba had about 4 or 5 of a would-be assists denied for him last season.

Ukaku needs to work on his scoring ability, IMHO.

eph12:
We don't just need someone that will be looking for space, we also need him to create spaces for others like Silva

It's either we get an SS to score goals for us like Griezmann, or we get a creative AM like Silva or Ozïl to unlock defence, we can't have both.

Oasis007:



Lindelof is becoming a new Vidic, and no one is talking about it?! Shaw had a good Game last Night, won Fans' MOTM, yet little were said about him?! JM seems to have found a good balance for the Team with 3 - 5 - 2, yet the Einsteins ain't discussing the new Formation and Players' setup?!

The 3CBs at the back are well covered, Bailly - Jones - Rojo or Lindelof - Smalling - Blind, the Depth is there to discuss and factually analyze, yet little Attention is given to it?! Shaw has picked up, played well as a LWB, a good Competitor for Young..... should he still be sold or not?!

Tunazebe seems ready to deputize for Valencia, Darmian ain't impressing till now..... should he be sold or not?! Fellaini ain't ready to renew his Contract based on United Terms, McTominay is proving to be a huge Talent..... Fellaini should be offloaded or not?!

Pls, let shift away from Lukaku Matter, these are Matters arising, let's discuss it.

Pogba dominated discussions of last season, now it's Ukaku, so expect more days like this. Lindeolf has been growing in his display, we all can see it, but sadly Ukaku debates seem to have taken the shine off Shaw and Lindeolf's performances.

I especially love the guy's composure on the ball, very good confidence. Smalling is not doing too bad, and he bullied their CF last night which I absolutely love.

As for Shaw, apart from his loss in concentration last night for that goal, he played well. I don't think he'd be sold, but I still want us to get another LB like Rose in January just in case he gets injured or doesn't fulfil his potential. Our LB is a weak point for us.

codedguy1:
Elamps needs to calm down, as a former amateur professional in Edo we know say you too "know ball" so you can argue with yourself to set a record straight. Guy calm down.

Capitalcee you also need to try to accommodate other peoples opinion. it seems when others go against what you think about a player you feel that they know nothing and then to always make snide remarks about them. That post Patrick post was directed at you just that elampiro don jump on him bike and was ready to take no prisoners.

I Dont know if it is wrong to point out what a player did wrong IN A PARTICULAR MATCH even if that player generally plays well, it's just that some of us feel Lukaku should be doing a bit more than he is doing generally. On this particular match he did well both in his link up and the fact that he scored was cool and I can say most that criticized him have acknowledged it.

if tomorrow he goes back to what we Dont like we will criticize him. what we all clamour for is for our players to be more consistent positive play so that when they have that occasional stinker they can be forgiven.

Let's be mature abeg when addressing each other. although e don tey wey we see correct fight for this thread.

Well said. You spoke my mind totally on this issue. Opinions will always differ, no need for the snide remarks or insults.

CapitalCee:
I have said it time and again that griezman is very good but overrated. 85-100m on him is a waste of money considering he is even 27.

It's that money and his age too that scares me. If he's 24 or lesser, I wouldn't mind, but at that age, that money seems too high. But he's a good player and after a temporary loss of form has picked up again. You can't use a tough fixture like last night to judge him.

Oasis007:
Except a Person truly has a bring-him-down Agenda on Lukaku as opinionated by CapitalCee, that he would be blinded to see the immense Improvements of him as a Striker, a Target Man, and his Contributions to the Team.

Lukaku is improving week in week out. He's becoming a complete, modern Striker gradually. He's definitely gonna become a Hit, a world-class Striker very soon. His Ball Control has improved a lot. His passes are becoming top-notch, aerially, as a Target-Man, he has been Fantastic.

Lukaku this, Lukaku that...... for what?! Do they wanna see him fail at United, simply to get a bragging Right that - Rooney shouldn't have been sold, coz he's better than Lukaku?!

Elampiro's opinions on Ukaku has nothing to do with Rooney. Elampawa might be a hardened Rooney fan, but his criticism of Ukaku is borne out of his desire to see Ukaku do well especially when chances are presented to him. We all want Ukaku to do well, sometimes I feel it's out of frustration, especially seeing other strikers score easily, that makes us react to Ukaku's misses. But Rooney has nothing to do with it.

eph12:
Who saw Grizzy play? Is he still the messiah as reported?

I don't know if he's the messiah we are longing for, but he played well for me last night. I love his darting runs which if seen by an AM like KDB can lead to goals. He's fast, a bit skillful, doesn't have a poor first touch and makes move into the 18-yard box. If played behind a striker like Ukaku, he'll flourish because Ukaku can drag defenders out giving him the perfect opportunities to sneak in behind and wreck major havoc.

hoopLA:
Don't you see traits of self-absorbed megalomania disorder manifesting in this Edo pounded yam and palm wine consumer?
Only a loudmouth empty barrel keeps trying to justify itself even when there is no need to.
We won. Simple enough. Accomplished top spot. in the knockout stage for the first time in four years.
But this loud mouthed broken drum won't let us hear, spamming these pages with unnecessary "facts" just to prove he is the "soccer king". Whoever coronated it with that title is an idiot and whoever believes it makes anysense shouldn't have been born.
I wonder why we even engage this insecure lonely,attention-seeking, emotionally brittle bald old man on any level of discourse when it is clear it is bordering on lunacy.

Bro, please stop with the insults. We're all one family here. No need to bring insults when opinions differs. It's understandable with non-United fans, but we as United fans can agree to disagree. Please cut out the insults.

I've said it before, Ukaku's major flaw is just that he's technically limited, which makes him miss chances, but apart from that, that ninja is good.

I've not seen a striker currently that puts in work more than that lad. His work rate is atrocious. He plays for the team, and covers much ground as possible. it's why he seem not to be in the 18-yard box most of the time.

Last night was a beautiful performance from him, filled with energy and determination. He never gave up, always on the move. He'd have gotten an assist if not Rashidi's miss. I'm so happy for him, he's been finally rewarded for all his hard work. This talk of Mourinho dropping him should never resurface. Zlatan can't work hard like him, Zlatan might be a better scorer than him, but we need Ukaku's firepower in that derby.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bizarre-moment-carles-puyol-attacked-11641676

Imagine if this was the other way round. By now it'd have been sexual harassment. . . . Sexism. . . . Räpe etc. But since females are the guilty party, the case will be swept under the rug. Hypocrisy.

raumdeuter:
Because its the truth.

How many people laughed when I said City's main problem was the age of their full backs and defended it? Didnt they say it was a ridiculous excuse and laugh like you're doing? Many of them have eaten the humble pie now when evidence from Pep and even time has proven that the City full backs were useless

When I started here by saying Torres was useless it was the same thing.

Some of us because of experience see far into footballing matters while some cant decode early

You might have been able to see far into footballing matters in times past or on some debates, but when it comes to this issue, forget it. This your funny excuse, I've told you before is your way of providing a safe landing for yourself should things go wrong and Pep fails to win the league. Forget all these preachings of yours.


Dayo, if this City side that's broken several records, won all their UCL group games, was touted as UCL contenders by Messi and other pundits, have remain unbeaten for this long, is still "gelling", then every other club in EPL have NOT STARTED THE "PROCESS" OF GELLING. it means while City is in the process, other teams are yet to begin. Which still makes City the favourite no matter how you look at it. All these epistles, I'm not buying it.

raumdeuter:
nihilist is very knowledgable he doesnt disagree with any of my position. He agrees with all and I am sure he is laughing at airmark and Krychokewack who has been turned to a mannequin at West Brom

Dayo, I've been laughing since seeing you without remorse saying Man City is gelling. It's ridiculous at first, but nowadays, I'm always clutching my ribs reading your posts about that issue. I don't understand how you can boldly make those statements and still defend it for months now.