jpworld:


Anybody renting out his car at the moment, will go bankrupt, there is no 2 ways about it.

I am well experience in this business.

I only release some of my cars to couple of drivers on certain conditions. The ones I know and they live within my area. You can only drive 3days in a week. Thursday,Friday, Saturday or Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

Sharing formula, I take all 2days earning, (and there is a minimum you will earn) and you take 1day. Once you close work you park my car and it will rest for another 4days.

Close monitoring, no room for nonsense.

When you face tough economy, you take tough decisions.

The key to making this work is that minimum amount. Else, they will just convert all trips to offline and you'll have no way to determine the exact amount he makes.

Why do people waste their time arguing with that guy.

What he's going through is called Stockholm Syndrom. No amount of argument will save him or make him see reason.

ksmart027:

Someone with property worth millions, and you are saying is poor

ThatIgboBoy:


The guy don sell one property recently.

I have a land to sell in the middle of Atlantic ocean to any one who believes those lies.

The thing with money is that, if you have to prove to people that you have it, then you don't.

So people go to eatries, buy food of 3 thousand naira and snap the receipt in the hope that they one day have a chance to post it online

Poverty is a disease that not even education can heal

Conner44:


I think his message was that using N50k to remove a dashboard’s check engine light that doesn’t affect a vehicle’s fuel economy or drivability in whatsoever guise is not necessary.

And in a way , according to our country’s vehicle laws he’s right. We don’t monitor or care about vehicle emissions here at all.

End of discussion

Pearl1910:


Yes it does.
If u really know the work of spacers then this is a no-brainier. As far as catalyst has an effect on your fuel consumption, spacers will also do

There are several examples of people even on this forum myself inclusive who have removed catalytic converter without any effect on fuel consumption.

You can believe whatever makes you happy.

Pearl1910:


You are confusing yourself.

Spacers work to correct the effects of a bad or absent catalytic converter.
Spacers will not stop emissions like catalyst do but will decieve the car system to think the emissions are normal.

Now OEM Catalysts cost minimum 200k, in some cars it's upto 500k. Is it not wisdom to use 50k to replace the work of 200k - 500k?

Give your phone to Conner44. He's clearly more knowledgeable than you are.

I mean, you were the one who posted this earlier

It doesn't just hide the check engine light. It decieves the ECU to think all is well and the correct amount of fuel and air ratio will be pumped into the engine.

Conner44:


NO it doesn’t affect your fuel economy at all on some models of vehicles especially Japanese made before 2010.

But you made this same statement below which was wrong



Yes they could use 4 total sensors but they are not all the same or function the same way. And a vehicle can not use spacers in places where their AF sensors reside therefore a vehicle can only need at most 2 spacers at any given time to check its catalytic converter system errors.

Yes, you can tell I wasn't very sure from the way I worded the statement but that wasn't the main point I was trying to make.

Thanks for confirming the bolded. Those who sell spacers should be upfront about what it actually does.

Conner44:


Read up about the relationship between AF sensors and O2 sensors. It’s a simple google search away from your fingertips.

Do spacers improve fuel economy or not. Answer the simple question

Conner44:


Try to read up about the differences between the sensors on your vehicles exhaust system. They might look the same but are both very different in the way they function.

If your car has a good oxygen sensor but a bad catalyst you will get error codes (you can use a spacer here to trick the ecu)

If your car has bad oxygen sensors but a good catalyst you will get error codes (a spacer cannot help you here)

Spacers only work where you have a functioning oxygen sensor but bad or missing catalyst on your exhaust system.

Most V6 engine exhaust systems have either 3 or 4 total sensors and a maximum of 2 catalytic converters on their exhaust systems.

No regular passenger vehicle that I know of today has a total of 4 catalysts on its exhaust system.

You are still ignoring the main crux of the discussion. Perhaps deliberately. Do you also sell spacers?

Do spacers increase fuel economy or not. Answer the simple question

Conner44:


You do not know much about the use of spacers to justify it being useless. There are 2 types of sensors connected to any modern vehicle’s exhaust systems and they are the Air Fuel Ratio Sensors and the main Oxygen Sensors themselves.

A 6 cylinder engine vehicle with a double exhaust exit piping system has 2 Air/Fuel ratio sensors upfront and 2 Oxygen sensors at the back of its exhaust system (eg. Lexus ES350) and it’s catalytic converters only function with the 2 oxygen sensors at the back of the vehicle and therefore has 2 catalytic Converters only.

The 6 cylinder engine with a single exhaust exit pipe has just 3 total sensors as the one on the exhaust side where the catalytic converter resides is a single pipe connected to the two coming out from the engine’s exhaust manifolds (eg. RX330) and its catalytic converters only function with the single oxygen sensor at the back of the vehicle and therefore has 1 catalytic Converter only.

The 4 cylinder vehicles usually have just 1 Air Fuel ratio sensor and 1 Oxygen sensor in its exhaust system making a total of 2 sensors and one catalytic converter only.

Now the work of a spacer is not to replace your catalyst converter itself but to trick your vehicle’s brainbox into believing that your bad/stolen catalyst is still functioning normally. A tokumbo catalytic converter (without any guarantee) can cost you as little as N300k and can run up to as much as N500k on some models of vehicles.

Those front sensors usually found near your engine’s exhaust manifold do not make use of catalytic converters and therefore cannot work with O2 spacers at all. Those ones use the Air Fuel Ratio Sensors are the ones that are crucial in maintaining your vehicle’s fuel economy while O2 sensors that are found near the catalytic converter system are mainly used in maintaining your vehicle’s exhaust carbon emissions to make it less of a pollutant in the city streets.

All these stories and you did not address the main point of the discussion which is that spacers only hide CEL and do nothing else.

Pearl1910:


It doesn't just hide the check engine light. It decieves the ECU to think all is well and the correct amount of fuel and air ratio will be pumped into the engine.
If u don't use that then u can buy OED catalyst for your car, I am sure u know the price.
The other cheap catalysts are improvised and since u don't like spacers, u will not like those ones either. The cheap ones work very well as well, I just installed one in one of my cars two weeks ago and immediately there was marked improvement in millage by 50%.

You are very wrong. What spacers do is increase the gap between the exhaust gases and o2 sensors thereby tricking the ECU into thinking the catalyst is present.

What you are describing above is what oxygen sensors do. As long as your oxygen sensors are good, the correct amount of fuel and air ratio will be pumped into the engine. Has nothing to do with spacers.

And it's not that I don't like spacers, it's just total foolishness to buy one at the current price.

Instead of using 50,000 to buy spacers just to hide CEL, use the money to replace one catalyst and buy the other catalyst when you can afford to. That is wisdom.

Pearl1910:


He is stupidly proud and naive. You know how it is wen someone is proud inside his ignorance, u just leave him to his folly.
How can his Corolla be doing just 6km/litre? That's almost 40% inefficient.
Catalyst is just 50k plus or minus 10k.
If that's too much he can buy O2 spacer from Gazzu..zz and install. Then do general tune up and his car will be back to normal operation. I saw that car when it was up for HP, it was clean and standard.
His partner doesn't have any business with the car, until when he stops paying his weekly money.

For the price it sells, I can't think of anything more fo.olish than this thing called spacers.

V6 vehicles typically use 4 oxygen sensors. Four cyls use two I believe.

At 25,000 per spacer, you're looking at 100,000 or 50,000 if four cyl just to hide check engine light.

And that's all the spacer does. Hides check engine light. Will not improve fuel economy, does not make your engine quiter, nothing.