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Dtruthspeaker:
So, as the ceiling in your house is above, so it does not belong to you and your house? Please stop disgracing yourself na.

c'mon bro. Religion has Enslaved your mental capabilities see the analogy you're bringing up. God is Above Religion. Religion is Made by Man. God Never spoke Directly to any man Your roof analogy doesn’t work because a roof is a physical part of a house, built from the same materials. God and religion are not the same category. Religion is a human system, God is the source it tries to describe. Saying God belongs to religion is like saying an author belongs to the book he wrote?. You you have any amount of reasoning you'd know that doesn't make any sense

Wow that's very interesting

Dtruthspeaker:
Since when did "God is above all religions" mean "God belongs to a religion"? Boy, your head is leaking profusely

O what deadly blows have you received to the point you are leaking all over the place and now you are mixing up facts.

Boy, go and heal first. The beatings you have taken are too much.

Man you don't understand basic logic I doubt you ever attended tertiary institution if God is Above Religion then that means he doesn't belong to any Religion Simple. Stop doing Cocaine bro

Dtruthspeaker:
Since when did "God is above all religions" mean "God belongs to a religion"? Boy, your head is leaking profusely

O what deadly blows have you received to the point of leaking all over the place and now you are mixing up facts.

Boy, go and heal first. The beatings you have taken are enough.

Clown But You Agreed to it when I said it. If God is Above Religion then he has no particular religion he mandates to be his Simple logic. Hiding your tears behind a The Emoji. 😂😂😂😂 funny Guy you are a Pagan like the others too End of Story.

Dtruthspeaker:
You words and intentions are there denying it, won't remove them

Secondly, where did I say "God belongs to a religion? Now you are gasping for air. Hoo hee Hoo hee

And lastly, your repeating yourself just proves how desperate you are in clear proof you looost after all your tricks of trying to turn it against me, you still Failed. Hehehehehe

[quote author=Dtruthspeaker post=137527770]Of course God is above all religions, so that one is moot. But where did you see men telling you not to fornicte? When they are the ones even telling you that if you no mash that babe you fv k up? .

Dtruthspeaker:
Of course God is above all religions, so that one is moot. But where did you see men telling you not to fornicte? When they are the ones even telling you that if you no mash that babe you fv k up.



No man can but God has already told us. And today we have all read again and again about all their ends.

And I said being a virgin is a good start, there are still other rules you still have to obey before you get a good, no great marriage.

But for now, i am just saying that all your ways will never work even if the couples are virgins. But as I said, you people always think that you are wiser than God, so, I am here to watch the failures. And for anyone who is about to toe that same way, I am saying failure is waiting for them

it seems you have Short term memory here it is Son. Everything I say is facts

Dtruthspeaker:
See, you cannot even counter it, to the point that you started abusing me and saying that your babalawos were ordained by God when no one saw that happen. Hehehehe

Meanwhile, the difference is very clear that you are pagan Amorite and enemi of God and that is why you have been attacking me and Christianity trying to transfer all your the loozions on me, seeing that you had nothing valid to say after all your best efforts and crooked tricks.

You still lost! hehehehehe .

I never insulted you amigo you already shot yourself in the foot by agreeing That God doesn't belong to Any Religion And Secondly to the sacrifice and burnt Offerings to God. You are a Pagan and your God is a pagan too just the all other Traditional Religion. Game over you lost .

MaxInDHouse:
I know you don't want to be affiliated with that name "CHRISTIANS" due to the confusion these countless religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are teaching so when you said:



I perfectly understood what you meant.

So instead of banking on what those religions used to irritate you try to know the real meaning of what they quoted for you back then.

TRINITY is pagan traditions borrowed after the death of first century disciples of Christ to increase members of the churches because they don't know how to go about the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned and they want to increase the numbers of their followers they have to welcome different pagan traditions for people practicing it to accept their religion.
That's why you can't see the word TRINITY in any version of the Bible!

Exactly The Christianity has been Mixed up witb Roman Pagan Tradition I've spent the Whole day arguing with Dtruthseeker on this. He sees everyone has pagan except himself. Me saying I'm not a Christian is that I don't belong fully and don't align with every aspect. I've this Last three years Study other Religions and they all have aspect I accept and parts I completely reject. They all have Rules every member has to adhere too - My Major problem I can't obey all so I will always be an Outcast. Jesus Stands out from all other figures to me because of the way he Was selfless and Compassionate till the End. I don't believe he died for our Sins. We Will all get judged at the end of each cycle.

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are talking.

1) Since you recognise that it is God they are directing it to, of which there is only One, it means therefore, that it means He gets to lay what He wants.

2) Secondly, it is not everyone who is to do those activities only a cleansed and purified Levite, which is why as you see now that there is no Levite, not to talk about a purified Levite, we Christians are far from paganism.

So, you see, the difference is over clear.

This Guyyyy . Your fantasy World never cease to amaze me You don't want to See the Real World Clearly you just want to Hold to your illusions as Coping Mechanism . Brody's Talking about Levites . In African Traditional Religion Babalawos are also Ordained by God to Carry out Sacrifices too infact you can say they are the modern Day Levites . So You can't deny the Fact that you're Pagans bro. .

MaxInDHouse:
English dictionary: COMMUNICATION?

A passageway or opening between two locations.

So just as God promised that there will be a highway of holiness {Isaiah 35:8} Jesus is the prophet who came to fulfill that prophecy! John 14:6

We don't just read the Bible we look for it's practical application!

as a depth Psychologist we tend to try to study beliefs how they originate. JW is different from other Mainstream Christianity so I want to Really understand for real. So I need direct answers Bible verses alone ain't just cutting in it.
1. JW don't believe in the Idea of Trinity? I know you guys have different views compared to others churches Share them with me. I'm the most liberal free Spirited free thinker you'd ever meet. JW don't see Jesus the way other churches just gimme clear Explanations just like I did mine.

MaxInDHouse:
It means Jesus is the only worshiper of our God who knows how to worship Him acceptably! Matthew 17:5

You don't just bring in another Point of View. Have some Guts and debunk those verses. Is what he said in those verses false?. The verse you posted is only Certifies Jesus Is Was Sent by God. Do y'all believe he's the way to God and no other way.

MaxInDHouse:
In which verse?

Being one with God means in agreement with God:


“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.  I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. John 17:20-23

So Jesus is our brother according to him:

Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’ John 20:17

This means the father of Jesus is our father and the God Jesus worships is our God!🙂

Lol but you can't enter Heaven without Jesus he said this in John 14:6 and Acts. 4:12 from this verses it Shows Jesus is the mediator between God and Humans? So I don't get your doctrine.

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to know what that group name "Christians" means read what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 7:21-23

It's not everyone calling him "Lord Lord" claiming he is their master that will enter into the kingdom of heaven but those doing the will of his father.

This means there is an expected goal for Christians to achieve only those meeting up this goal are true Christians! Matthew 7:16-18

very I Good but in this verse Jesus was talking as if he and the Father are one. What is your relationship as a JW with Jesus. Who is he to you guys

MaxInDHouse:
Good question!

We are fulfilling the prophecy recorded in Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated in Micah 4:1-3

That's the reason why God introduced Himself achieved by Jehovah's Witnesses globally so let any other God present His or Her evidence if they truly exist! Isaiah 43:10

But you claim y'all don't worship Christ? And Christianity means followers of Christ. Are y'all not Christians?

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't believe the Bible completely it's better you continue with your fans!

Yo! What makes you JW different with your different teachings too muchacho?

Dtruthspeaker:
Which is why you are now in desperation trying to use the Roman Catholic even after you have been told that everyone has since knew and settled that the Romans and catholics are pagans and are not really Christians and their pagan practices have been separated from Christianity. So, it's just you and your paganism.

Okay . Your tears Continues now since you want to Deny Reality. What's the Difference of Your God in the 1st testament that Accepts Sacrifices and burnt offerings with African Traditional Religion that does the same to their God too. Can see you guys are birds of a feather

MaxInDHouse:
So how come you believe part of what is written about a character and rejecting other parts yet you want me to take you seriously?
It's either you believe what the books say about this character completely or you reject it if you want someone like me to reason with you!🙂

believe completely? Nah I don't follow blindly, I try to find depth and Meditate to see the truth in the midst of the illusions I don't care about you whether you take me serious or not if you want to find the answer yourself you can. Mathew 7:7.

MaxInDHouse:
People often contradict themselves without knowing it!

We are talking about how to connect God and you said Jesus can TEACH you how to do so yet you don't believe he is the way to God.

All you're just trying to avoid is calling yourself a Christian but my guy your idea really sounds the same like those Churchians claiming Christians!

Reason with Clarity Son. He's trying to connect us directly not go through him. You kapish? I'm not worshipping Jesus or believing he's resurrection he's has human as any of us.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is you who went sentimental and emotional as betrayed by the outbursts of your post as you confessed your guilts and your personal problem/hatred for me.

Meanwhile I was only pointing them out.

And the difference between me and the mob is that you are the one who reported and judged yourself without me saying a word while I just sat back and enjoyed your performance

And now you are moving the argument to Rome's paganism meanwhile it is already known that Catholics and Romans are pagans and not exactly Christians.

So, there is nothing to argue here as clearly you are the last to know.

Man it's your Delusions for me. Outburst? That was you when use denounced my Facts without any Logical statement you started wailing about being better than me . You have been defeated already come up with with logical claims. You lost already isn't Roman Catholic one of the oldest Churches of not the oldest that is where other churches evolved from? The Romans have the biggest influence on Christianity . You're a Pagan Son

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MaxInDHouse:
First of all i am not a worshiper of Jesus and secondly if you don't help them to connect how are they going to connect what they have no idea about?

Well if you don't know you are sounding like the worshipers of Jesus that you are mocking because they also claim that this Jesus is close to anyone and can speak to them directly so there's nothing new in this your idea in fact the worshipers of Jesus often misconstrue Jesus' statement claiming he is talking about something inside them that will talk to them! Luke 17:21

Jehovah Witness eh? I'm not mocking Jesus Christ but I now his Story was Quite Altered in a certain way as you know Jesus didn't create Christianity it was built around him. I don't agree that esus is the Way to God I believe he was trying to connect us to God through the Unconscious mind this is where we can Connect to God. I believe everyone and everything is connected to God and we are all connected to one another -Collective Unconsciousness Like the verse you gave there the Kingdom of God is within you. And another verse is John 10:34 where Jesus said we are all Gods here he's trying to tell us that we all have a Divine Spark within all us, you are all connected to God from within.God uses the unconscious to Guide Us through Dreams, intuition, spiritual conviction 2nd Question connecting to the Unconscious is very Hard tbh you have to let your Ego die and let go of Material world through series of Isolation. So I don't worship Jesus nor make fun of Jesus

Dtruthspeaker:
See all the jumbled talk and desperate accusations all because you can not find any reasonable thing to say about your own fallings.

For it is clear that you are a paganist and that I am indeed better than you. Not to talk of your twisted understanding of John 8 where everyone in the world saw that those people were not representing God nor the Law He gave Moses.

As you see Christians celebrate with everybody whether Muslims or govt vacations, birthdays, weddings, car purchase, house purchae etc as long as it is a good thing.

It is not the Romans who own the Sun of the day called Sunday which you see everyday Christians go to church. Christmas is about the celebration of a very special birth immaterial of whether it clashes with Oro festival or Roman festival. That one is their own Christmas is our own.

So basically, you are just waiting because your conscience has judged you and your paganism.

You've switched from being logical to being Sentimental and defensive. You just Proved my Points saying you're better than me what makes you different from the mob in John 8 Is this the Christianity Jesus taught Y'all If being Free Spirited and a Free Thinker makes me A Pagan Then I'm proud to be One So are you . And the Claims in Roman Paganism in Christianity Why not carry out your Research you've lost this Argument Already everything I Said there is factual. You have nothing Tangible to bring up I noticed your Alternate Accounts too That's what being Conscious is. Learn More Son Stop this One Way thinking, I pray God Direct A Prostitute to Be Your Destiny helper so that you can Experience What is called Ego Death then you see clearly see you're worth nada . Peace be unto You Son

MaxInDHouse:
Guy this is really funny.
So answers are within but each person has to connect with himself or herself and that means you are the one to help them connect with themselves.
Don't you think this sounds familiar with what is already on ground?
Most people around you are claiming a spirit or ghost is talking to them and you are here suggesting the same thing!🙂

This is Pure Ignorance my Guy. Nobody can connect you. You can't help anyone to connect it has directly unlike the Fraudulent Jesus you worship. Spirits and Ghosts? Nah Amigo This is Pure Psychodynamic Psychology it has nothing to do with ghost.

MaxInDHouse:
Answers are within people just as bandits feel like killing others!

Try to Comprehend before Commenting I Said you have to connect with it. Not up to 1% of Humans since the Earth's inception has ever done that.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣If the answers are within me, why do you need to share information to others at all?

Because i Wanted to.

Truthseeker10:
source of this information?

Good question. The Answers are Within you in You Unconscious mind it's where your psychic, Spiritual and Anscentral energy located you just have to connect with it.

Dtruthspeaker:
No where did I say backwards. You obviously do not know that the British, French, Romans all practiced witchcraft and rituals exactly like the African. And they still do even today only that it is extremely hidden covering it by trying to distract us to look at science (sleight of hand trick).

Nevertheless, they too are pagans and look the whole world are pagans whether you look at Australia or Japan, or Russia or America or Brazil or Isreal in their rebellion to God.

So, I choose the clean God Way, which God gave Isreal, which they rejected.

Right from my birth when I sa all the pagan paraphernalia and all the pagan things that people do, I hated it to my soul and never wanted to be a part of it as they made me feel somehow. Only to now grow up and know that that somehow feeling, is the the thing called abomination.

So, it is only natural that I must live in Christianity. No other way is acceptable

I never said you called it backwards I defined what self Denigration is. You believe your tradition is rubbish and it's Paganism. You've just contradicted yourself, you believe all culture is Paganism, God Showed himself to Israel Alone, Christianity is the only way to God's and anything Traditional is evil and Abomination. But What your myopic point of view don't know is that Christianity is built from Paganism. Christianity is a mix of Jewish Belief , Greek Philosophy and Roman pagan Tradition. The Christmas you celebrate is Roman Saturnalia, the Easter is the Romans Ishtar fertility festival. Even the Worship day was moved to Sunday for Romans Sun God you can go and verify. I just want to to see beyond the Illusion that's all. You believe the Whole world is Pagan except from Christianity, if it's not Christianity then it's pagan. That's the sense of Morality you uphold in you believe you are better than everyone else because you follow some written laws. Two days ago you gave an example you said and I quote "Whereas if you had sense you would have seen that you too have heard about hell and yet you carry hook up, up and down just like everybody else". You don't even know me but you made this Projection. You believe your moral makes you better than those that carry prostitute and the prostitutes themselves no You're not. Your entire mentality sounds exactly like the people who tried to stone the woman in John 8.
They believed they were defending God’s purity, following Moses’ law, and rejecting ‘abominations.’
But Jesus didn’t support their purity obsession.
He exposed it as hypocrisy.
He saved the woman they tried to condemn.
If your version of ‘God’s clean way’ makes you behave like the people Jesus corrected, then it’s not Jesus you’re following it’s self-righteousness. Peace Be Unto You.

Dtruthspeaker:
If truly you went to school, then you would have known that answering questions is part of education.

But rather you have kept on running from answering the questions because you real eyes that it makes you look Stu....

So, if you think you are intelligent and educated do inlighten us and answer the questions

As a human being are you not conscious and have no consciousness ?

And do you have a mind? Is your mind conscious?

You aren't willing to learn if I start explaining to you you'd start getting defensive and refuting what you don't know. The human mind is made up of the conscious, subconscious and unconscious.
‎ The conscious mind is the part you are aware of, the one that makes logical decisions , thinks and learns and it only processes what you focus on. It has very small capacity and represents 5% of the human mind
‎ The subconscious mind runs in the background it controls most of our lives. It controls emotions, habits, long term memory , breathing (We breathe mostly unconsciously). It doesn't learn through logic like the conscious mind it just obeys.
‎ The unconscious mind is the deepest layer, you can't be aware of what is stored here.eg childhood trauma, instincts, deep emotional winds you don't even remember. It manifests through Dreams, intuition , psychological defenses, what can of people you attract or repel. This is the part that shapes your destiny without you even knowing. The conscious mind represents 5% while the subconscious and unconscious represent 95%. The subconscious and unconscious mind controls 95% of your life with you even knowing, most people like you think they control their Conscious mind but they don't like Carl Jung’s Said "Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate," . I hope this answers your questions I've broken down to layman terms so you can't understand. I bet you don't understand What the mind is? You are having a convo with someone who spent a quarter of his life studying the human psyche so you need to be logical and not by showing cognitive dissonance to protect your Rigid Dogma
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[quote author=Dtruthspeaker post=137555581][/quote]Well there's nothing bad in embracing another person culture you are going off point here. The problem here is Self Denigration which means looking down and rejecting your culture background. You adopting the belief that your culture is backward and evil because of Religion and western influence is Appaling.

Dtruthspeaker:
Now the problem was how I was to deal with all of this rubbish traditions (the evil ones that is as my mum always diverted me to the good good ones of the traditions but I never forgot the evil and abominable ones)

Which was why I was happy to claim city boy and to Christian and I prefer not to come from any village whether my father's own or mother's own.

And I did not know that my name was a native name till one classmate fired me seeing that I was behaving like I was not an African or Nigerian, reminding me that my names too are Nigerian and native.

Ah. I was very angry and tried switching to my English name (Now I dey claim English name wey I no send before ). But trust human beings, dem no gree.

But the bottom line is that I am now happy to have rejected all our ancient and evil traditional and cultural practices.

And it is made worse by the fact that the more I have grown to see that people truly practice them, the more I get to see how evil and abominable they are and they have been

Eg. See this one

https://www.nairaland.com/8307542/rite-culture#133557157

How should a person intending to marry a girl now be bent towards marrying the girls mother?

Clearly that is madness and abomination.

Dtruthspeaker lol. My intuition is never wrong I knew it that You have been mentally enslaved. You can see you've proved my link between Religion and culture despite you labelling it off point but now the truth has shown itself son . You've mentally erased your identity for someone else for Culture. So youd be claiming to be one of Father Abraham's son and a Levi descendant . You've been brainwashed to think your own culture is evil man can you imagine . Imagine being proud of having an English name. You're mentally enslaved connect to your roots son. You've proved my point you see Son, The truth will always prevail . @Righthussle said it best.