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Dtruthspeaker:
Then tell us, as a human being are not not conscious and have no consciousness ehn?

And do you have a mind? Is your mind conscious?

Dtruthspeaker:
So you as a human being are not conscious and have no consciousness ehn?

Your denial is plenty

Dtruthspeaker:
Mr denile, have you lived and died before such that you claim that your life is looping on repeat mode?

Dtruthspeaker:
Tell us when did men sit down and create the law saying "agreements should be kept, every man is entitled to fair hearing, every man should respect the rights of others etc"? And who are the men who you say created morals?



How is this relevant?
Even your maths, chemistry and biology textbooks and your fake manmade laws have been reviewed and revised several times since 1960, so how is this a problem? And how does it address the issue?

You are just looking for new arguments to make
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All these are definitely off point!



You obviously think that you are talking to your mate born in 2008. I understand now, you are gen z so you no nothing other than what social media said and what your stu atheists teacher said.

Whereas if you had sense you would have seen that you too have heard about hell and yet you carry hook up, up and down just like everybody else, so how has hell controlled you?

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are moving away from the issue and trying to raise new ones since you see that you cannot counter my answer. And that is why you wish to blame it on A.i. meanwhile I have said all these several years ago in the different threads including some of my own.

Of which I did a thread on this some weeks back when I met another person like you on the Soyinka Visa thread who did not know and I schooled him. And till today, he still cannot find any valid thing to say.
https://www.nairaland.com/8556733/natural-law-vs-artificial-law#137393653

So, you both are showing how ill educated and misled you people are as you do not know history meanwhile you are thinking law started with your legislators, something that only just started here now now in 1960 which maybe to you 2006 babies sounds like 1900.

https://www.nairaland.com/8551321/visas-privileges-not-rights-us/6#137317320

Go and read up if you like and if you have any reasonable question to ask, drop it, and I'll address it as best as I can.

And do note, it is clear that you are confused as you've got a lot of stu.... & silly untidy sheet running in your mind without order and clarity. For instance anong all the rawb.ish in your mind, in the bold you say "Natural laws are the rules the universe follows by itself examples are laws of polarity, Cause and effect, Laws of Gravity e.t.c"

So, who is the universe, is it you the man and human beings and animals or is it the universe of moon, sun, stars, mercy etc? Let's see what you mind will produce

Dtruthspeaker:
Natural law also created what is called "self defence" and damages and restitution. And self defence, payment of damages and restitution are all good

Exodus
18 And if men strive together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepeth his bed:

19 If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed.

(Exodus 22:2–3).

"If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him"

Two basic principles taught in this text are the right to own private property and the right to defend that property, even if it causes the death of the trespasser assailant.

Also self defence came to play and availed Moses when he killed the Egyptian trying to kill his Israelite brother. And that was why God still worked with him.

Black’s Law Dictionary, self-defence is protecting oneself or property against injury attempted by another

AI Overview
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Key Factors in Self-Defense Cases | Justin E. Sterling
Self-defense is the act of protecting oneself, one's family, or one's property from a physical attack, often by using force.

And none of these laws were created by men. Every man was born knowing it and acting under it which is why even right from childhood when our classmate did that chair pulling thing, we did him back.


First, is being a non virgin good?

Nairaland people have already answered that it is not good as non virgins are rejected as proven by the virgin or nothing fellas.

https://www.nairaland.com/8467761/should-marry-33-year-old-virgin-23-year-old/4#136002571

So you see non virgins are already in the Wrong area.

And remember that Deuteronomy 22:20 starts from 13/14 showing a woman who deceived the man who wanted to marry her that she is a virgin, by not telling him (a fact that till tomorrow still pains all men) where everyone is a virgin, so he naturally presumed that she is one.

13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,

14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:

Now you see why non virgins had to run away from their lands and join a vagabond murderer or thief to go to a place where they can start their own land where fv.ki.ng fornication and adultery must be allowed. So you see where and how your supposed moral disagreement started from?

And this is where towns and cities started from as more criminals running from judgement ran to those places and those places became a haven for them. And that is why you see it is in such places you find brot.hels

And it is them who caused armed robbery, banditry, slavery, colonialism, Taxism, war as that non virgin and her murder causing vagabond husband and the people that follow them must steal and kill and destroy to be rich and to increase their riches

And that is why it is said
We do not look in great cities for our best morality. Jane Austen,

Game of thrones also shows you

Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish
"Look around you. We're all liars here. And every one of us is better than you."
He delivers this line to Sansa Stark in Season 2, Episode 10, when Sanza stark was lying about going home.

Dtruthspeaker:
Go and check it. There is no disagreement on all the natural law precepts. Eg in every place it is agreed that fair agreements (contracts) should be kept and honoured. And it is agreed everywhere that cheating and adultery is bad. And it is agreed that it is not right to in slave anyone.

So, you can see the disagreement is always coming from the people who do not have to do the right and good thing.

It is always a Wike. Dperson who after he has in slaved a person who came to serve him that will now say "wetin concern you? Is he your servant? is he not doing my work? You are there complaining instead of you to go and do your own". Or the second circumstance of where a neighbour saw how he was doing, then said he would do his own as he too does not like honour contracts, as they say "e easy to pay salary?"

So this is how the confusion and so called disagreement started.

Meanwhile, the natural law never changed and from ancient days till tomorrow when the world ends, it is always the Law that fair contracts must be kept and honoured and cheating/adultery is bad, no matter what man may say

Dtruthspeaker:
First, right and wrong was not laid by men. It was God Who did it through what is called Natural Law. And because of it every man is forced to confess the Truth of what is Right as different from what is wrong even when they don't want to. Any opposition here?

SkengRay:
What are the Rules Amigo I will like to learn? God Told us bro? Religion has absolutely nothing to do with God. Right and Wrong was decided by humans. You think God has anything to do with the Bible. You so called bullshit rules has no effect on the divine Order. Obeying Rules won't decide you'd have a perfect lasting marriage. And it's ironic your moniker is named truth speaker when you haven't searched for the truth, you just followed what the Society gave you

Dtruthspeaker:
Of course God is above all religions, so that one is moot. But where did you see men telling you not to fornicte? When they are the ones even telling you that if you no mash that babe you fv k up.



No man can but God has already told us. And today we have all read again and again about all their ends.

And I said being a virgin is a good start, there are still other rules you still have to obey before you get a good, no great marriage.

But for now, i am just saying that all your ways will never work even if the couples are virgins. But as I said, you people always think that you are wiser than God, so, I am here to watch the failures. And for anyone who is about to toe that same way, I am saying failure is waiting for them

Dtruthspeaker:
Hmmm! Dicey!!

You see, I am respecting people's choices so I am not trying to impose the Christian values which I was just lucky not to fall into.

And in as much as I did not fall into it, nevertheless, I have been studying it's patterns and ways for years especially as I really wanted to understand why God Says we should not do it.

And the more I discover why, the more I have been shouting "God thank you for saving me oo". For I see I would have died and lamented just as everyone else and complaining and strategizing on how to have a good marriage and a sweet living at the same time.

And so I have come to see in the end no matter what strategy man cooks up to evade all the bad things waiting for him, he still ends up falling into them.

And now people are changing to strategy of marrying a as virgin and always tell them that it won't still work. But as usual with God's Words, they will never believe nor listen.

So this guy's case is a public confirmation of when I say it won't work for God has made only One Way where we could have everything we want. And this starts by man knowing that God is always right and man will always be wrong.

So that is the moral.

And as I said I am not judging anybody but as God saved me from that way to the point that I now understand what is happening and what MUST happen, I am just trying to forewarn any one who might be seeing and thinking all these things and saying to themselves that they do not want to be a part of all this mess. And of course I know many won't listen but maybe 1 will.

MikeofKd:
Thought Provoking question from the OP.

Well I believe in life everything is predestined to happen , God has written the scripts of everyone and we are just acting out various roles that has been written.
There's no freewill , we are thought to believe that theres a free will but there's no such thing as a free will , if there were free wills the world wouldn't be what the world is today. It would be filled with more greed and evil than ever cause everyone would wants to show that they have power.

Everything is presdistned to happen , every human has a role to play , everything happens for a reason and nothing is random , and that's why I don't believe in coincidences. Everything is connected to a purpose like a book that's starts in a very good way can end badly, but when you start reading it you can't tell yet.
People that commit suicide has been predestined to commit suicide , it's written , if it wasn't written then that person wouldn't commit suicide. Every action we take or we don't take is written already and we are just acting out our roles.

I believe God has created every human for a purpose , God is a master designer and has created every human with a purpose In mind , remember nothing is random. Blind , deaf , dumb people are created by God for a purpose , and everyone of them acts their purpose. Some would be rich not because they understand the principles of money but because it's written that they would be rich.

Once upon a time I had a very loyal ,gentle and loving girlfriend, she was the best thing that has happened to me but I broke her heart and when I asked myself why I did that , I couldn't find a answer , then something whispered to me that exactly how it was written , no matter how I felt bad for breaking her heart it had to happen because it was connected to the script that has been written. It doesn't necessarily makes me a bad person.
It doesn't have to make sense to you but it's written.


Ask yourself this question , why can't I get everything that I want exactly the way I want ??
Reflect deep on this question and you would realise it's simply because you don't have any freewill. People are good and people are bad not because they decide to but because it's written.

The Yoruba Divination of IFA , how do you think IFA is able to give a 90 percent correct prediction about something?
It's simple. it's because your story has already been written, and IFA is able to read your story and tell you a chapter youve not gotten to. Simply because everything and everyones story has been written.

we don't have a freewill , we don't.
And just like I said God is a designer and poet , he writes according to his own understanding and will , the ways of God are not understandble to mankind and you can't understand his ways.
He is very unpredictable.

This is my belief , everyone is entitled to theirs.

Meedon:
Well I understand now. Que sera sera

Meedon:
And you lots enjoy it because you are not at the receiving end. You live in your mansion and enjoying life thinking it is same for others.

Meedon:
Too atrocities full this world, killings, maiming, rappoingg, innocent people tortured for years for the crime they don't commit, bandit, thuggery, snatching of ballots box, adultery, parents wickedness to children, children kpaing their parents for money to flex girlfriends, scamming, slave trade, burning innocent people alive, tsunami, hurricane killing thousands, humans maiming and killing animals for the fun of it, burning human at stake, terrorists bombing here and there. Many atrocities weh my eyes don see for internet and offline the make me sad always. God no just try at all for cresting this world.

And the worst part, they say after all these sufferings humans go still go hellfire to burn forever. Is this not wickedness?

Meedon:
Omo that God no try at all. He no just try.

Thereedemer:
pA to God i guess or at least angel michael.

RollinTNDA:
So that means we don't have freewill if everything has been pre planned for us?

RollinTNDA:
I like sex pass anything. As a guy having regular sex gives you a solid frame in life

Why is it difficult to find a girl that love sex and will give it freely Without billings.

Must I spend before I have sex,??
No be Soo God design am

RollinTNDA:
No marriage no relationship?

Oh yeah you will regret this decision
Trust me

Interesting15:
So, I asked anyone interested in summarising what I taught them to step out...Those that did were females...I tried encouraging some of the guys, but....

ReacherSaidNoth:
The changes are welcome, but for me the colors are too much.

Bendeco02:
Women are just selfish creature

A man supposed be "i don't care" or don't reason things but them (women) will never ignore little thing, easily pick offense over irrelevant things.

What a woman need from a man to tolerate from her, she will never allow her brother to take same rubbish from another lady.

Every woman need a man that spend on her, make her happy, ignore her bad attitude but will never want to take rubbish from a man. Some of them don't forgive when offended.

If a woman don't find a guy attractive, the guy irritates her. She can insult a guy for being ugly or broke but want men to be soft to them because they are weaker gender and at same time claims gender equity

I pity men that are soft to women, they will just ride you like horse