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MaxInDHouse:
So how come you believe part of what is written about a character and rejecting other parts yet you want me to take you seriously?
It's either you believe what the books say about this character completely or you reject it if you want someone like me to reason with you!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
People often contradict themselves without knowing it!

We are talking about how to connect God and you said Jesus can TEACH you how to do so yet you don't believe he is the way to God.

All you're just trying to avoid is calling yourself a Christian but my guy your idea really sounds the same like those Churchians claiming Christians!

Dtruthspeaker:
It is you who went sentimental and emotional as betrayed by the outbursts of your post as you confessed your guilts and your personal problem/hatred for me.

Meanwhile I was only pointing them out.

And the difference between me and the mob is that you are the one who reported and judged yourself without me saying a word while I just sat back and enjoyed your performance

And now you are moving the argument to Rome's paganism meanwhile it is already known that Catholics and Romans are pagans and not exactly Christians.

So, there is nothing to argue here as clearly you are the last to know.

MaxInDHouse:
First of all i am not a worshiper of Jesus and secondly if you don't help them to connect how are they going to connect what they have no idea about?

Well if you don't know you are sounding like the worshipers of Jesus that you are mocking because they also claim that this Jesus is close to anyone and can speak to them directly so there's nothing new in this your idea in fact the worshipers of Jesus often misconstrue Jesus' statement claiming he is talking about something inside them that will talk to them! Luke 17:21

Dtruthspeaker:
See all the jumbled talk and desperate accusations all because you can not find any reasonable thing to say about your own fallings.

For it is clear that you are a paganist and that I am indeed better than you. Not to talk of your twisted understanding of John 8 where everyone in the world saw that those people were not representing God nor the Law He gave Moses.

As you see Christians celebrate with everybody whether Muslims or govt vacations, birthdays, weddings, car purchase, house purchae etc as long as it is a good thing.

It is not the Romans who own the Sun of the day called Sunday which you see everyday Christians go to church. Christmas is about the celebration of a very special birth immaterial of whether it clashes with Oro festival or Roman festival. That one is their own Christmas is our own.

So basically, you are just waiting because your conscience has judged you and your paganism.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy this is really funny.
So answers are within but each person has to connect with himself or herself and that means you are the one to help them connect with themselves.
Don't you think this sounds familiar with what is already on ground?
Most people around you are claiming a spirit or ghost is talking to them and you are here suggesting the same thing!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Answers are within people just as bandits feel like killing others!

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣If the answers are within me, why do you need to share information to others at all?

Truthseeker10:
source of this information?

Dtruthspeaker:
No where did I say backwards. You obviously do not know that the British, French, Romans all practiced witchcraft and rituals exactly like the African. And they still do even today only that it is extremely hidden covering it by trying to distract us to look at science (sleight of hand trick).

Nevertheless, they too are pagans and look the whole world are pagans whether you look at Australia or Japan, or Russia or America or Brazil or Isreal in their rebellion to God.

So, I choose the clean God Way, which God gave Isreal, which they rejected.

Right from my birth when I sa all the pagan paraphernalia and all the pagan things that people do, I hated it to my soul and never wanted to be a part of it as they made me feel somehow. Only to now grow up and know that that somehow feeling, is the the thing called abomination.

So, it is only natural that I must live in Christianity. No other way is acceptable

Dtruthspeaker:
If truly you went to school, then you would have known that answering questions is part of education.

But rather you have kept on running from answering the questions because you real eyes that it makes you look Stu....

So, if you think you are intelligent and educated do inlighten us and answer the questions

As a human being are you not conscious and have no consciousness ?

And do you have a mind? Is your mind conscious?

Dtruthspeaker:
Now the problem was how I was to deal with all of this rubbish traditions (the evil ones that is as my mum always diverted me to the good good ones of the traditions but I never forgot the evil and abominable ones)

Which was why I was happy to claim city boy and to Christian and I prefer not to come from any village whether my father's own or mother's own.

And I did not know that my name was a native name till one classmate fired me seeing that I was behaving like I was not an African or Nigerian, reminding me that my names too are Nigerian and native.

Ah. I was very angry and tried switching to my English name (Now I dey claim English name wey I no send before ). But trust human beings, dem no gree.

But the bottom line is that I am now happy to have rejected all our ancient and evil traditional and cultural practices.

And it is made worse by the fact that the more I have grown to see that people truly practice them, the more I get to see how evil and abominable they are and they have been

Eg. See this one

https://www.nairaland.com/8307542/rite-culture#133557157

How should a person intending to marry a girl now be bent towards marrying the girls mother?

Clearly that is madness and abomination.

Dtruthspeaker:
Then tell us, as a human being are not not conscious and have no consciousness ehn?

And do you have a mind? Is your mind conscious?

Dtruthspeaker:
So you as a human being are not conscious and have no consciousness ehn?

Your denial is plenty

Dtruthspeaker:
Mr denile, have you lived and died before such that you claim that your life is looping on repeat mode?

Dtruthspeaker:
Tell us when did men sit down and create the law saying "agreements should be kept, every man is entitled to fair hearing, every man should respect the rights of others etc"? And who are the men who you say created morals?



How is this relevant?
Even your maths, chemistry and biology textbooks and your fake manmade laws have been reviewed and revised several times since 1960, so how is this a problem? And how does it address the issue?

You are just looking for new arguments to make
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All these are definitely off point!



You obviously think that you are talking to your mate born in 2008. I understand now, you are gen z so you no nothing other than what social media said and what your stu atheists teacher said.

Whereas if you had sense you would have seen that you too have heard about hell and yet you carry hook up, up and down just like everybody else, so how has hell controlled you?

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are moving away from the issue and trying to raise new ones since you see that you cannot counter my answer. And that is why you wish to blame it on A.i. meanwhile I have said all these several years ago in the different threads including some of my own.

Of which I did a thread on this some weeks back when I met another person like you on the Soyinka Visa thread who did not know and I schooled him. And till today, he still cannot find any valid thing to say.
https://www.nairaland.com/8556733/natural-law-vs-artificial-law#137393653

So, you both are showing how ill educated and misled you people are as you do not know history meanwhile you are thinking law started with your legislators, something that only just started here now now in 1960 which maybe to you 2006 babies sounds like 1900.

https://www.nairaland.com/8551321/visas-privileges-not-rights-us/6#137317320

Go and read up if you like and if you have any reasonable question to ask, drop it, and I'll address it as best as I can.

And do note, it is clear that you are confused as you've got a lot of stu.... & silly untidy sheet running in your mind without order and clarity. For instance anong all the rawb.ish in your mind, in the bold you say "Natural laws are the rules the universe follows by itself examples are laws of polarity, Cause and effect, Laws of Gravity e.t.c"

So, who is the universe, is it you the man and human beings and animals or is it the universe of moon, sun, stars, mercy etc? Let's see what you mind will produce

Dtruthspeaker:
Natural law also created what is called "self defence" and damages and restitution. And self defence, payment of damages and restitution are all good

Exodus
18 And if men strive together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepeth his bed:

19 If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed.

(Exodus 22:2–3).

"If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him"

Two basic principles taught in this text are the right to own private property and the right to defend that property, even if it causes the death of the trespasser assailant.

Also self defence came to play and availed Moses when he killed the Egyptian trying to kill his Israelite brother. And that was why God still worked with him.

Black’s Law Dictionary, self-defence is protecting oneself or property against injury attempted by another

AI Overview
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Key Factors in Self-Defense Cases | Justin E. Sterling
Self-defense is the act of protecting oneself, one's family, or one's property from a physical attack, often by using force.

And none of these laws were created by men. Every man was born knowing it and acting under it which is why even right from childhood when our classmate did that chair pulling thing, we did him back.


First, is being a non virgin good?

Nairaland people have already answered that it is not good as non virgins are rejected as proven by the virgin or nothing fellas.

https://www.nairaland.com/8467761/should-marry-33-year-old-virgin-23-year-old/4#136002571

So you see non virgins are already in the Wrong area.

And remember that Deuteronomy 22:20 starts from 13/14 showing a woman who deceived the man who wanted to marry her that she is a virgin, by not telling him (a fact that till tomorrow still pains all men) where everyone is a virgin, so he naturally presumed that she is one.

13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,

14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:

Now you see why non virgins had to run away from their lands and join a vagabond murderer or thief to go to a place where they can start their own land where fv.ki.ng fornication and adultery must be allowed. So you see where and how your supposed moral disagreement started from?

And this is where towns and cities started from as more criminals running from judgement ran to those places and those places became a haven for them. And that is why you see it is in such places you find brot.hels

And it is them who caused armed robbery, banditry, slavery, colonialism, Taxism, war as that non virgin and her murder causing vagabond husband and the people that follow them must steal and kill and destroy to be rich and to increase their riches

And that is why it is said
We do not look in great cities for our best morality. Jane Austen,

Game of thrones also shows you

Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish
"Look around you. We're all liars here. And every one of us is better than you."
He delivers this line to Sansa Stark in Season 2, Episode 10, when Sanza stark was lying about going home.

Dtruthspeaker:
Go and check it. There is no disagreement on all the natural law precepts. Eg in every place it is agreed that fair agreements (contracts) should be kept and honoured. And it is agreed everywhere that cheating and adultery is bad. And it is agreed that it is not right to in slave anyone.

So, you can see the disagreement is always coming from the people who do not have to do the right and good thing.

It is always a Wike. Dperson who after he has in slaved a person who came to serve him that will now say "wetin concern you? Is he your servant? is he not doing my work? You are there complaining instead of you to go and do your own". Or the second circumstance of where a neighbour saw how he was doing, then said he would do his own as he too does not like honour contracts, as they say "e easy to pay salary?"

So this is how the confusion and so called disagreement started.

Meanwhile, the natural law never changed and from ancient days till tomorrow when the world ends, it is always the Law that fair contracts must be kept and honoured and cheating/adultery is bad, no matter what man may say

Dtruthspeaker:
First, right and wrong was not laid by men. It was God Who did it through what is called Natural Law. And because of it every man is forced to confess the Truth of what is Right as different from what is wrong even when they don't want to. Any opposition here?

SkengRay:
What are the Rules Amigo I will like to learn? God Told us bro? Religion has absolutely nothing to do with God. Right and Wrong was decided by humans. You think God has anything to do with the Bible. You so called bullshit rules has no effect on the divine Order. Obeying Rules won't decide you'd have a perfect lasting marriage. And it's ironic your moniker is named truth speaker when you haven't searched for the truth, you just followed what the Society gave you

Dtruthspeaker:
Of course God is above all religions, so that one is moot. But where did you see men telling you not to fornicte? When they are the ones even telling you that if you no mash that babe you fv k up.



No man can but God has already told us. And today we have all read again and again about all their ends.

And I said being a virgin is a good start, there are still other rules you still have to obey before you get a good, no great marriage.

But for now, i am just saying that all your ways will never work even if the couples are virgins. But as I said, you people always think that you are wiser than God, so, I am here to watch the failures. And for anyone who is about to toe that same way, I am saying failure is waiting for them

Dtruthspeaker:
Hmmm! Dicey!!

You see, I am respecting people's choices so I am not trying to impose the Christian values which I was just lucky not to fall into.

And in as much as I did not fall into it, nevertheless, I have been studying it's patterns and ways for years especially as I really wanted to understand why God Says we should not do it.

And the more I discover why, the more I have been shouting "God thank you for saving me oo". For I see I would have died and lamented just as everyone else and complaining and strategizing on how to have a good marriage and a sweet living at the same time.

And so I have come to see in the end no matter what strategy man cooks up to evade all the bad things waiting for him, he still ends up falling into them.

And now people are changing to strategy of marrying a as virgin and always tell them that it won't still work. But as usual with God's Words, they will never believe nor listen.

So this guy's case is a public confirmation of when I say it won't work for God has made only One Way where we could have everything we want. And this starts by man knowing that God is always right and man will always be wrong.

So that is the moral.

And as I said I am not judging anybody but as God saved me from that way to the point that I now understand what is happening and what MUST happen, I am just trying to forewarn any one who might be seeing and thinking all these things and saying to themselves that they do not want to be a part of all this mess. And of course I know many won't listen but maybe 1 will.