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MrPresident1:
They are proselytizing poverty on this thread.

Una go gather una own congregation, people who believe their destiny is poverty will flock here

That is not the purpose of this thread, but to expose the dangerous teaching from Adeboye.

As you can see from my second post, I gave a balanced view of the subject from the Scriptures.

For Adeboye to say that poor Christians who believe in Jesus as their only hope of salvation are sinners under a curse is nowhere taught in the New Testament, and it is a very grave sin.

Jude 1 speaks about men like him who propagate such twisted teachings.

When Poverty is the Blessing, and Prosperity the Curse.

It is natural to assume that prosperity is a sign of God’s favor and that poverty is a curse. After all, who wouldn’t prefer financial security over financial struggle? Yet Scripture often presents a paradox: prosperity can be spiritually deadly, while poverty can become a means of grace.

Jesus warns of this danger when He asks: “What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?” (Mark 8:36)

Wealth, though a blessing in the right hands, can lull a person into complacency, pride, and self-reliance. That’s why Jesus also cautions: “Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” (Luke 12:15) In the parable of the rich fool, Jesus describes a man who builds bigger barns to store his wealth, thinking he has secured his future. But God’s response is sobering: “Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?” (Luke 12:20) The tragedy of this man’s life wasn’t his wealth—it was that he was “not rich toward God” (Luke 12:21).

Prosperity: A potentially Dangerous Gift

Prosperity often masquerades as a blessing, but it can just as easily become a curse. When wealth increases, pride often follows: “Beware lest you say in your heart, ‘My power and the might of my hand have gotten me this wealth.’” (Deuteronomy 8:17–18) Comfort can blind us to our need for God: “You say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing—not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.” (Revelation 3:17) Even within the church, material success can be mistaken for spiritual health, leading us to believe we are thriving when, in reality, we are spiritually impoverished.

Poverty: A Hidden Blessing

By contrast, poverty—though painful—can be a surprising gift. It often leads to greater spiritual dependence. Those who lack worldly wealth may more readily recognize their need for God. Jesus says: “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:25)

Agur, a lesser-known writer of Proverbs, wisely prayed:
“Give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with the food that is needful for me, lest I be full and deny you and say, ‘Who is the Lord?’ or lest I be poor and steal and profane the name of my God.” (Proverbs 30:8–9) The true danger lies not in wealth or poverty itself, but in how our hearts respond to them. Wealth can lead us to forget God; poverty can lead to despair. Yet both can be tools in God’s hands for our spiritual good.

The real Treasure: Christ

So what’s the answer?

The goal is not to seek poverty or fear prosperity, but rather to pursue being rich toward God. True wealth is found not in possessions, but in Christ. As Paul beautifully wrote: “For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you by His poverty might become (spiritually) rich.” (2 Corinthians 8:9)

If Christ is our treasure, we are never truly poor—regardless of what our bank accounts say. We should hold loosely to the fleeting riches of this world and cling tightly to the eternal riches found in Him. “Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” (Matthew 6:21)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMtAETk3gWA

This man, E.A.Adeboye, who is so highly revered by many in this country, is a man who doesn't know Jesus. And yet, sadly, he is leading countless millions astray with his twisted, polluted teachings. He is covetous, proud, and his god is his belly.

Jesus said:
"I know thy tribulation and thy poverty, (but thou art rich): and thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." Rev 2:9.

Here, Jesus didn't say His poor church was under a curse, but that they were rich in the truest sense of the word because of their union with Him.

Here's another verse:
"They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. These all, having obtained a good report through faith..." Hebrews 11:37-39.

Again, here, Jesus commends His poor, afflicted saints as obtaining a good report through faith. He doesn't say that they were all under a curse, as Adeboye will have us believe.

Adeboye's sin is very great, and it is only on the last day of Judgment when Jesus returns that He will be known for what he truly is.

triplechoice:
Please focus on the rainbow and tell me how the scientific explanation for their formation and appearances in the sky is flawed and nonsensical.
Who are the fallen men and haters of God's truth?
. The story shouldn't be interpreted literally. It's an allegory. Genesis never declared that the rainbow was invented for the first time after the flood,but that it serve as symbol for God's faithfulness. The original Hebrew text from which the story was translated from didn't contain any verb which suggest the creation of a rainbow after the flood.
I don't believe in scientist. I follow the science and always test if the information or conclusion which they have presented is supported by evidence before accepting it. And this means, I'm able to think for myself.

Brother, I am saying that there is a spiritual connotation to the rainbow, that God is the one that creates the rainbow every time you see it, as a visible token of the covenant which He made with Noah and every living creature after him not to destroy the entire world again with water, as He did to the people in Noah's day. It is not a phenomenon that just occurs naturally, and at the perfect conditions, and without meaning, as scientists would have us believe. This is my exact point.

But if you do not believe that Noah's flood really happened, you would believe these scientists and think there is no meaning to the rainbow, and that nature has a mind and power of its own.

Have a great day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBfcnp0dcKM

This is a sermon by Paul Washer centered on Matthew 16:13-16, where Jesus asks His disciples, “Who do you say that I am?”

Brother Paul emphasizes the critical importance of this question, asserting that how one answers it determines the course of their life and eternity. The Scriptures declare that Jesus is the promised Messiah, the Son of God who came into the world to save mankind from their bondage to sin.

In this sermon, Brother Paul highlights the fulfillment of ancient prophecies concerning His lineage, birth, and mission. He stresses that Jesus is not merely another prophet or a good moral teacher but the Son of the living God. Paul Washer challenges listeners to face the scandalous claims of Christianity rather than dilute them to fit modern reasoning. A significant portion of the message deals with the nature of true belief, contrasting mere intellectual assent or religious activity with genuine faith that transforms the heart. Paul Washer explains that salvation is not about human effort or moral achievement, but solely about trusting in Christ’s atoning death on the cross and His resurrection.

The problem of sin and the justice of God are explored, explaining why God’s holiness demands punishment for sin and how Jesus’ sacrificial death satisfies divine justice for the believer. The message concludes with an illustration contrasting religion (external compliance) with Christianity (internal transformation), stressing that true faith results in a new heart and new desires, leading to a changed life.

PDF: https://sermonscript.com/paul-washer/who-do-you-say-jesus-is

MP3: https://illbehonest.com/who-do-you-say-jesus-is-paul-washer

triplechoice:
You're actually talking to yourself. Science has it limitations, no doubt that, but once it knows something very well, it knows it more than how it's described in your religious text

If you had a proper scientific education, you would have
known that rainbows have been appearing in the sky before your Bible said they did. Noah's flood is an allegory that no one should interpret literally.

In your ignorance, you're afraid to know the truth so you don't lose your faith, but the irony is that your Bible had lamented that " my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"

What is the truth? Can scientists explain the origin and diversity of life, the origin and complexity of the earth? They come up with things like the big bang, abiogenesis, and evolution. And you want me to put my belief in their flawed, nonsensical theories? Study the design and anatomy of the human body and tell me where it came from.

You don't know that fallen men are proud and liars by nature and hate God's revealed truth as the Creator and Sustainer of this world.

So we should deny that Noah's flood actually happened and that the rainbow is just a natural phenomenon that has been in existence for millions of years?

Well, good luck with your worldly wisdom and your belief in your scientists. You went to school but you cannot think for yourself.

triplechoice:
Chai !

So, in this time and age where any kind of knowledge is easily accessible to educate ourselves about the world around us, we still have people in this part of the world who attended schools were, at least ,they did elementary science ,but still believe as true that a rainbow was created for the first time after Noah's flood?

Hei! Hei! What's this now? ehn

Haaa! No,no no, no

Please for God sake,the Bible is a book of faith and not science.

You are the one to be pitied if you follow scientists blindly. Scientists don't have all the answers. Many of their theories are nonsensical and outright lies - case in point, evolution, the big bang, abiogenesis - which all sound foolish and ludicrous to the thinking man.

softy:
God really kept to His promise. Yes, he did.

The type of flood happening in our present dispensation is a child play or millionth volume (10‐¹⁰⁰⁰) or so infinitesimal of the real flood that happened at Noah Period.

May this our world NOT experience that kind of the flood. God is so merciful and compassionate, that is why YOU and I are NOT CONSUMED.

There may never be a flood to wipe off the earth again, but the Scriptures predict that the present heavens and earth will be destroyed at the revelation of Jesus Christ, who is coming back to judge all men, both living and dead.

"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

2 Peter - Chapter 3:7

blamingthedevil:
All these bad scripts and acting should not be making front page of this forum

Seconded. The story seems to be very fake and made by content creators.

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I am planning to go from Herbert Macaulay Road, Yaba, to UBA Head Office in Marina through Third Mainland Bridge. Is this possible as of today?

Is the 3rd Mainland Bridge open from the Adekunke/Yaba Interchange all the way to the Island?

Thanks for your help.

What a foolish statement. He should speak for himself.

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whitelotus:
I assure you, I am not misleading anyone. I do not have anything to sell. I dont have any holy books or gospel to preach

All I have is logic.

Your claim to logic is exceedingly false.

Atheism is unreasonable and foolish.

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Tallesty1:
Well written bro, well written and quite insightful; but believe there's a minor interpretive error regarding the passage you quoted.

To properly understand Paul’s writings, you to visualize and understand the audience, cultural context, and specific circumstances of the church he was addressing. For example, in 1 Corinthians 14:34–35, Paul writes:

“Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.”1 Corinthians 14:34,

Ordinarily, this may appear like universal ban but the Corinthian church was known for disorder during worship services. Corinth, being a bustling, diverse, and morally chaotic city, often struggled with maintaining structure in public gatherings. It's on record that their services had become noisy and unruly with everyone speaking at once, making it difficult to teach or worship effectively ( 1 Corinthians 14:26–33)

It is within this specific context of disruption that Paul addressed the issue of women who, at the time, have not received as much formal teaching and speaking out during worship. His instruction was about restoring order, not silencing women universally. In fact, earlier in the same letter, Paul acknowledges that women both pray and prophesy in public worship:

“But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head...” (1 Corinthians 11:5, NKJV)

This emperical evidence that women were allowed and even expected to participate vocally in worship under appropriate spiritual authority and order.

Therefore, Paul was not contradicting himself but offering specific corrective guidance for a specific situation. To interpret the “silent” passage as a universal prohibition on women preaching or teaching would be to ignore the broader scriptural witness and the immediate literary and historical context.

How about 1 Timothy 2:12?

In the setup of the church, should women be elders and pastors over men? The clear biblical answer is no.

See 1 Tim. 3:1-7; Titus 1:5-9 (qualifications for elders, which clearly are framed with men in view: “husband of one wife,” “manages his household well,” etc.). Also, 1 Cor. 11:3-16 clearly presents the hierarchy: God, Christ, man, woman, which applies both to the church and the home.

Since elders/pastors both teach and exercise authority, 1 Tim. 2:11-15 prohibits women from occupying this office (the reasons given in that text are not culturally determined).

gohf:
please just stop... Stating that 1 Corinthians 14 is about what occurs in a local church gathering doesn't give you the right to say he never made any reference to marriage when you can clearly read him mention that wives should ask their husbands at home.

You can choose to believe what you want.

gohf:
are you sure you want to go into the context with me?

you have to show us that he wasn't writing about marriage

Well, if you read the whole chapter of 1 Corinthians 14, he was addressing how things should be done in a local church gathering. He never referred to marriage at all, unless you want to read that into his words.

judewrites:
All church leadership in the Bible were males, but that doesn't mean a woman can't head a church.

Most of what Paul said against women leading in church was from His own opinions not God's.

Why would God gift women with the same spiritual gifts as men if He didn't want them to pastor churches?

They were God's commandments through Paul for the setup of the church, and not Paul's opinions.

1 Corinth 14:37, "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

gohf:
The law says wives submit to your husband and not women should not teach men, are you saying Deborah and huldah broke the law that even huldah was asked to interpret?

Paul is writing concerning marriage and uses Adam and Eve as his reference point

The context of the two portions of Scripture I quoted is not Paul writing about marriage, but how he wants the leadership of the local church to be structured.

brainhgeek:
If the Bible is not explicit over the issue, any other explanations are exegesis. There were prophets and there was a king when Deborah led a war.
Joel 2, God said He'd poor out His Spirit upon all flesh . The Spirit that equips for the saints is not for men alone

Joel 2:28.,29.
28. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29. And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Yes, God pours out His Spirit on all flesh and has used women to do great things in the past, and still does.

But in the New Testament, when Paul was giving instructions as to the headship of a local church, he said the church should be led and pastored by men. True, women are also co-heirs of the coming kingdom, but they can use their teaching gifts to teach other women also in the church, and not to stand in the pulpit, Sunday after Sunday, teaching and leading men.

This is what God ordained for the church.

According to the Bible, no, a woman should not pastor a church gathering where there men involved. But she can teach in a women-only program. But these days, most people do whatever they like without consulting the Scriptures.

1 Timothy 2:12-14, "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."

1 Corinthians 14:33-35, "For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church."

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