Alhaji olabowale, I'm patient - and still waiting!

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Stimulus: And there are no Greek Mus'lims in Greece? You always show how naive your thinking is. Just in the same way that you have arab Christians, who by their religious tenets disagree with the prophet who is from their bloodline, you have Greek who are Mus'lims and understand God, god differently from how the Christians understand them.

I am not naive, olabowale. You guys have cheated the Greek Muslims by trying to mangle their language and trying to shortchange them into reading the Greek translations of the Qur'an in absolute garboil. I have no worries with Greek Muslims understanding God differently from how Christians understand and relate to Him; but that should not mean that the garboil should now pass as the norm.

This is why I asked you in the first place if you'd be willing for us to go check out the Greek translation of the Qur'an together; but I wasn't disappointed that you'd duck that challenge as well, understandably from the fact that you have no clue what the Greek language is all about.

olabowale:

And by the way, there was no prophet who was Greek and there was no revelation in that language, none at all.

This is simply saying that Muhammad and his Qur'an were dead wrong! And if you're arguing that revelation was not given in Greek, then you have made Deedat more of a dunce than a scholar! Did he not argue endlessly that John 1:1 was given in Greek?   You see how naive you are now? Just because you're desperate to prove a point does not mean that you should try and rubbish what your own mullahs have asserted!!

olabowale:

It will not be surprising to get a weak meaning or misunderstand, the thorough meaning of a word in the language of revelation, when translated to a foreign or other languages. Afterall, Geek will be other or foreign tongue to the ancient in the time of revelations Children of Israel, as a whole.

I expected you'd make such excuses. Is that why you've been too scared to examine the original languages of the Biblical texts - Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic?

olabowale:

I wonder if an old igbo word is translated to yoruba, will still carry the same weight with the Igbo man if he is also fluent in Yoruba language?

As long as the translator is not trying to cheat either the Igbo or Yoruba man - as Muslims have tried to cheat the Greeks of their own language!

olabowale:

Let me give an example: Chineke to Oluwa? Since i do not speak Igbo, my understanding of Chineke may be equated to Oluwa. But there is a possibility that they are not the same exact words, in meaning and in depth.

Nonethless, either of them can well understand the precise term(s) to be used in any conceptualization of what exactly they wish to convey.

For example, I'm not a polyglot or an expert in any language (not even English), even though my grasp of the languages I speak is sufficient to hold a mature discourse with the speakers. Yet, when it comes to the idea of "God" in Yoruba, could it be possible that while you and I could argue that "Oluwa" is the proper way of saying "God", while other Yorubas take us to task and proffer "Olodumare" as the more acceptable term? Yet another comes along and wastes our argument between the first two terms and zips us up with another Yoruba term - Olorun!

You see our problem? Oluwa, Olorun, and Olodumare are all terms in the Yoruba language that refer to GOD! Perhaps in the etymology of these terms, each one come to understand what it connotes rather than merely assuming what they may not actually mean! For instance, it is in the compound names that we see their implications - such as when people name their children with the root "Olu" for deity/God. A few examples:

[list][li][u]OLU[/u]WASEUN [Olu[/b]waseun - thank God][/li]

[li][u]OLU[/u]FEMI [[b]Olu[/b]femi - God loves me][/li]

[li][u]OLU[/u]BUNMI - [[b]Olu[/b]bunmi - gift of God][/li][/list]

It is not just enough for people to argue on a single word or term, but one has to know its intrinsic meaning and connotations before settling on a narrow ideology such as Muslims many times argue with the narrow arabic words!

The same thing applies in the Igbo concept of "God" (and I trust that my igbo friends would forgive me here if I mis-yarn! ). Although I'm not Igbo and have no thorough grasp if the language, yet we can understand that the root term "[b]Chi" is the word that gives the understanding of deity/God, but more precisely is used for 'the Supreme Spirit'. So again, words, names and terms that trace their derivatives from "Chi" help us to understand the connotations meant - and this could be seen in the following examples:

[list][li]Chi n’Eke - God in creation[/li]
[li]Chineke - God the Creator[/li][/list]

You find that the two terms are not the same; and one has to be careful to know what each term connotes both in pronunciation and writing. We have names such as "CHI[/b]DIEBERE" (God is the merciful), "[b]CHI[/b]KA" (God is the Greatest), and "[b]CHI[/b]OMA" (God is good) - but these are examples illustrating the same thing I stated earlier as for the Yoruba case.

Interestingly, though, the Igbos have a very rich language culture - and olabowale dear sir, not even you or Deedat can come in this late century to teach them their own language by mangling it so badly as to arrive at slanted ideas as you did with Greek!! Take for example, when the Igbos want to emphasize a particular idea of deity/God in His [b]quality, they use other words such as:

[list][li]Okaaka      --     The Supreme Power[/li]
[li]Alusiuka     --        The Almighty[/li]
[li]Odenigwe    --     The Ruler of Heavens[/li]
[li]Ezeigwe   --      King of Heavens[/li][/list]

You can see the richness in this wonderful language! Why do you Muslims want to cheat the world by bending other people's languages to Quraish?

olabowale:

This is your problem, Stimulus, since none of you have ever seen a Torah from th time of Moses, or a Sabuur from the time of Daud or even an Injil from the time of Isa bin Mariam (as Jamiah)! There is nothing sure from what you have, today.

Your problem is that even when the Torah, Zabur and Injil have survived to this very day, you congeal your consciences with hard lies, claiming that they are lost but you can't prove it anywhere or anyhow! Those hard lies have been debunked, and if you want to enter into that discussion again, I'd be willing to show you what pilgrim.1 has not shown you, so you can see for yourself the fallacy of your own Qur'an! Do you care for that?

@MC Usman,

MC Usman:

It is for you own health not to get all whirl and frenzy, stimulus.

I hope that is not supposed to be a fatwa dressed up as a friendly advice?

To be sure, I'm not perturbed or losing the plot. I'm not threatening anyone; but for crying out loud, why is it that you guys only see my counters to the uncouth retorts of your own brethren? What is wrong with you guys cautioning your own brethren to be respectful of the convictions of other people? Is it a taboo for Muslims to talk to Muslims and caution them about their brigand attitudes in dicussing issues on the Forum? Why is it that it is only when you read that I won't be entertaining such rascality anymore that all of a sudden you guys have come out to "notice" that stimulus has been saying anything?

Mutual respect costs absolutely nothing. Talk to your own brethren to behave and not invite what they cannot sustain! It is all up to them to invite an enabling atmosphere for discussions; or to continue to read what riles them. It is not my intention to keep up this trend - and I have said so many times before! If your pals would like to be at the receiving end of my baton, they are welcome to be my guest.

Cheers.

stimulus:

Which of these Greek terms between theos (θεος) and theon (θεον) were used in the following texts:

[list] John 3:16 John 8:41
John 14:1 John 3:17
John 21:19 John 3:21[/list]

These verses will help us see the huge gaps in Deedat's arguements!

I'm waiting, olabowale.

olabowale:

I dislike thuggery and it seems as if thats how many of my people, the Nigerian carry out their persona. This is th only reason I wanted the Trinity explained in relationship to all the other verses which negate the possibility of it.

You dislike thuggery but have incessantly used it as your bastion in deriding the Trinity even after you have been appealed to SEVERAL TIMES! How many times have I personally offered you an enabling environment to discuss it, often inviting you again and again to seek to discuss issues without recourse to your sly slobbers?

We can discuss whatever we want to discuss in amicable mature ways. There is no need to invite what you cannot sustain and then come back to whimper with these lame excuses. I've often offered reasonable answers to your queries - but like I said recently, if you are allergic to rational discussions then I will no longer entertain your penchant to continually slur and disrespect Christians.

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Stimulus: And there are no Greek in this universe anymore, including a country known as Greece?

Of course, there are - and that is quite an unneccessary and rhetorical question! The problem here is that you guys have tried to mangle their language, cheated yourselves with Deedat's fallacies, and hope that everyone would celebrate the same false assumptions that your scholars manufactured by confusing Greek terms!

olabowale:

You have a lot to learn.

I haven't see where you have demonstrated any scholarship worth celebrating.

olabowale:

Instead of answering his questions, you copped out, as expected.

I never copped out - and if you don't mind, you could as well go over to my thread and answer my questions instead of sitting here and whining as you usually do.

olabowale:

You see I did not say that you you are a laugh and a pitiful fool of a man.

Thank you for saying it.

olabowale:

But I almost said it. then I cautioned myself.

It is not the first time; and I'm no wussy to allow you continue such ribald exhibitions with reckless abandon.

@m_nwankwo,

m_nwankwo:

The subject under discussion is Trinity. Discussants can share their belief or non belief in the doctrine of trinity without degenerating into personal attacks.

This is what I have been appealing to several times; but if Muslims see it as their birthright to continually slur other discussants with sly invectives and expect to read pleasantries, they can as well hold their hankies to weep more.

@samba123,

samba123:

Stimulus cannot add a single Letter to the Word ‘A.llah’ for my simple question he said go back to may post of Aliha. Do you mean A.llah = Aliha is that you mean? It did not resemble to the name of A.llah, he said he has no Stimulus dictionary of Arabic that why he cannot conjure the word of A.llah. Off course you cannot conjure the word A.llah because is a single word. Them my definition of word is correct.

So, what new thing have you said now? You are still struggling with your first premise - you denied the fact that there arabic has terms for "idols" and "gods", and that is what you should have tried to settle instead of fussing all over yourself.

samba123:

Now you explain the Ton Theon and Teos of this two Gods of the Greek.

Lol, I enjoy reading the illiterate remarks of confused fellows like you! My dear, go over to my thread and see that "ton theon" and "theos" are NOT two Gods! I'm just waiting to see how you guys swim out of the assignment I offered you; but I don't see anyone of you attempting it!

samba123:

If I said to a Greek; Greek who is your God? usually he answer me back my God is Ton Theon and Teos. I confuse! There are two word exist here, according to STIMULUS the same Gods exist of those two names. Either you use the Ton Theon or Teos is the same it means God. maybe Stimulus will not confuse because he explain it in Greek he only know the meaning of Ton theon and teos. If I ask can you describes those two Gods? What is the relationship between the trinity(father, son, and holy spirit) and the Ton theos and teos? Maybe he say the same it Gods not God. single G.O.D. comfusing you see?

Haaaawwww! Do you realize that you lie leaks through? Who is the Greek to asked your illiterate question? I will just wait for the same Greek fellow to help you answer the questions I offered in my thread!

samba123:

Will take another example regarding God.

If I ask to Hindu; Hindu who is your God? The Hindus says everything is Gods. The sun, the moon, the plants, animals, and even human being at least he describe his Gods.

If I ask to the Jewish; Jews who is your God? Well, my God is “YHWY” It is mentioned in the Old Testament - Moses (pbuh) says in the book of Deuteronomy, Ch. No. 6, V.No. 4, ‘Hear oh Israel, the Lord our God, is one Lord’. That means… ‘God is One and Only’. It is further mentioned in the book of Isaiah Ch.No.43, V.No.11…‘I, even I, am Lord and besides Me there is no Savior’. In the book Isaiah, Ch.No. 45, V.No.5…‘I am Lord, and there is none else, and I am God, besides Me, who there is no one.

You ask to the M.uslims; M.uslims who is your God? He always say A.llah.
Qur’an Chapter 112: 1-4 “He is A.llah, the One!The Eternally Besought of All! He begetteth not nor was begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him.


Now we ask to the Christian; Christian who is you God? Jesus(pbuh), the Father, son, holy spirit .Can your describe your God? mybe Stimulus can enlightent us how he can describe His God in the verses of the Bible.

He ask me what is A.llah al ab (الله الأب) is a Christian Arab word they used to be called Godfather.

And what sense have you made in all that harrumph?

skyone:

Accusing or calling God a lier is not adviseable, don't curse yourself to death.

Leave him to curse himself to death - if that is how he hopes to make jannah!

As for us, we know the Father's love that has reached our hearts, and why should we be distracted by some cursing machine?

@efuah,

efuah:

@Stimulus. . . if u say so!

@olabowale and Horus. . . abeg, don't start o'er here too!

My dear, don't worry your head over anything. The reason why you see folks like olabowale playing his hide-and-seek games is a direct manifestation of his insecurity under Muhammad's loss.

Let's just keep the praise on - there's nothing from their dissatisfaction from Muhammad's allah that will impress anyone who loves to praise the FATHER!

@olabowale,

olabowale:

God does not want His creation as children, nor does he accept that kind of relation from you.

This is not the thread to discuss your misgivings - and I've shown that anyday, anytime I can match your arguements to a logical end! Trying to use Muhammad's denials to patronize me is a waste of time, resources and effort on your part. If he qualified himself as a false prophet and died as such, no amount of weasle cough from you can reverse his fate.

If you care, take your concerns to the relevant threads where we have been discussing your mewling drivels, and I'll meet you there and help you come round your confusion.

Cheers.

@therationa,

therationa:

Funny you mentioned this event. Check it out again. You will see that Jesus did not only ride an ass, he rode the ass and its colt (young) into Jerusalem. Now that's really funny, riding tow animals at the same time. I thought they did not have rodes shows back then.

Do you mind behaving yourself and respecting the reason for this thread? At least, I have been civil enough to respect your own threads; and I would not like to see you whimper if you invite what you can't contain.

Do you guys mind folding yourselves out of this thread? Thanks.

@olabowale,

olabowale:

Somebody already asked you, to give provide us with a definition of your God: Is your God Jesus, or the holy spirit or the father?

I will come to that question in the course of our discussion, so no rush ahead or diversion. I left you an assignment; and I will not be moved by your defelction tactics.

olabowale:

He also said if he were to meet a Christian Greek and to ask him; Whats the name of your God, will the greek give the name as Tontheon or Theos, since he need to chose just one?

Did the questioner tell you he knew Greek?

You see why I have directly challenged the assertion that you guys often make about Arabic being a "pure" language and all sorts? You can't let another man speak his own language; but you try to slave yourself on Deedat's rants. It is the same rants that I intend to focus here as well as lead you to your own assumptions to show you what you have no clues about!

olabowale:

For me my God's name and it is a proper name without any ambiquity is God!

Since when did "God" become an Arabic term? You 'allah' has no name but borrowed his appellation from a common term which pagans in pre-Islamic times have known and used. Arabic speaking Christians refer to God as "Allāh al-ab (الله الآب - God the FATHER)". If you have lost the name of your 'god', go and search for it and come back to inform us!

olabowale:

Deal with it. To be wating my time from Trinity, which was a our agreement to john Verse (which is like side show bob of the Simpson cartoon show fame), is a divertion tactics. I am sick of your game, either fish or cut bait.

You're a comedian unparalled! Did you blind your eyes when typing and failed to see the assignment I left you? Push your wagon all you want, you will have to deal with this assignment before we move on (or you can wake Deedat up from his grave to help you) - here again:

stimulus:

Which of these Greek terms between theos (θεος) and theon (θεον) were used in the following texts:

[list] John 3:16 John 8:41
John 14:1 John 3:17
John 21:19 John 3:21[/list]

These verses will help us see the huge gaps in Deedat's arguements!

I'm waiting, olabowale.

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Stimulus: Never will I patronise you. I do not enjoy anything about street people. You do your work and I do mine. I have no need for your type.

I knew it wouldn't take long for this weasling to come off your chest. If you're done shedding your street-gand clothes, please let me know. And yes, I'm doing my job in santizing your illiterate 'job' of ridiculing other people's faith; and it is up to you to grow up, sit up, and speak up with some good sense.

If that is the cry you often make when your dense posts are refutted, it won't surprise me. You've done it before - several times - so it does not come as a surprise to me that you'd expectedly make the same moo-ing.

olabowale:

@Olowo tee: So when according to you one of them died, did the death affect the ability of the others to enact His duties/power? We have realised that when the son died the father was capable to manage the affairs of overseeing the whole of creation and even forgave those he had forgiven, before the death of the son, and could even forgave others, regardless the death of the son.

The death of the Son was in the FLESH - it does not mean He ceased to exist or even reduced His power to hold the Universe in place and govern all things. It is the Word (Logos) through whom creation came into existence (John 1:3); and it is still by the Word (Logos) that all things are sustained (Heb. 1:3). At death, the same Word (Logos) went to the underworld and declared the tidings of His victory to the spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:19); and indeed, the Bible makes clear that it was impossible for death to keep Him bound (Acts 2:24).

When you can seek to understand the meaning of the death of Christ on the Cross, you will come to see that it is far distinct from what your mullahs have been spoon-feeding you.

olabowale:

If the holy spirit also died, the remaining One could still be able to handle all the affairs as if nothing had happened.

May God forgive you, olabowale. You see how your restless and illiterate soul is seeking to be blasphemous? You think you're trying to sound intelligent, but you have no clue that you're sealing your own doom. If someone had made that same remark about the one that Muhammad mistook for his 'holy spirit' (Jibril), the world would go up in flames with Muslim rage!

May God forgive your blasphemous spirit.

olabowale:

Not that it could happen, but just for clarity and a new way of looking at things, if the son had remained alive, as well as the holy ghost, but the One who was always the Speaker dies (again, I repeat not that it could ever happened (and I ask The Almighty God for His Forgiveness of my wrongs)), could the remaining two without Him capable of handling the affairs of all things; Angels, Jinns, Heavens and earth, all thing between and beyond them?

If it could not happen the way you're forcing yourself to suggest, why even attempt it at all? Must you seek to throw your own soul away for the sake of mere arguments on Nairaland?

MAy God forgive you indeed.

olabowale:

I am clearly certain they could not. So you see Olowo Tee, the 2 that you are attaching to God the Almighty Creator are absolutely irrelevant to His existence.

What is irrelavant to His existence is your blasphemous thinking and Muhammad's denials of God's revelations. God does not need the irrelavant denials of a Quraish prophet centuries after He raised His own prophets and committed His word to them.

olabowale:

They are nothing more than His Creations, like everything else.

neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit were created.

olabowale:

To argue away that three entities all of a sudden becoming One Supreme Entity, is absurd and make no sense.

To argue away using Muhammad's denials of God being FATHER is absurd and does not make any sense!

olabowale:

Not just from me, it just does not make theological Sense: More Importantly, when Adam was Created and through out his and his wife's mistakes that followed, we only heard about God's interaction with them. The holy ghost and the son were no where to be found and absolutely irrelevant to any and all actions and decisions.

You could not find the Holy Spirit and the Son in the Genesis account because you have deliberately closed your eyes to the Biblical narratives.

olabowale:

All of a sudden you will spring the two who have been dormant all this time on us? Where was the son or the holy ghost when the sons of Adam and Eve were disagreeing and one killed the other?

Where was Muhammad's allah all the time that Muslims were busy slaughtering one another in Iraq? Where was Muhammad's 'Allah' when the Wahabbis were busy blowing up their own Muslim brethren? If you can give us the answer to that, then I'll give you a simple answer to your question.

olabowale:

Where were they when Noah people were doing evil to the point they were wiped out by flood? Where were they when the people of Lut were committing evil deeds, etc? Sisi mi, I have respect for you in the good work you are doing, with kids in School. I am sure it is slanted towards you propagation of your religion. I am not sure we are talking about apples and oranges here.

Where was Muhammad's allah when Muslims were busy slaughtering each other over disagreements on doctrines? Have you found your 'allah's' solution yet as to the problem of the Wahabbis who are still seeking to wipe out their own Muslim brethren?

@therationa,

therationa:

Stimulus, I did NOT say you SHOULD NOT reply to my threads. I said you are not obliged to respond (or you MAY not respond), which are not the same thing. Which means I reserve the right to respond, but don't expect a respond.

Pardon me, but I fail to see why you'd specifically single us out to make this comment:

therationa:

Stimulus, 4HIM and Imhotep you are welcome NOT to post any replies to my posts. You may post but do NOT expect a direct response from me. You guys are just simply childish and dishonest.

(https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113033.0.html#msg1963892)

It is like saying two different things: (a) welcome NOT to post; and (b) you may post!

If you're interested in actually discussing issues and engaging other discussants, then certainly we would (or if I speak for myself, I would) have continued to discuss the subjects and amicably showed you what essentially you're missing. Like I often said: it is not as if your quesries cannot be answered; but when you make the deliberate effort to close the door of discussion, we won't be uncivil to push the gates and barge into your appeals.

therationa:

Hey, between, you have been responding to some of my threads, haven't you?

Yes, I have.

therationa:

What I detested was you personal abusive tone, although I was try to be respectful to you.

Sorry that you read me that way; but I object to the hypocrisy of people being uncouth and curt in their remarks before they even offer the opportunity to hear the other side. You can't deny that some off-the-wall remarks have been made by your good self, which was pointed out as unacceptable. And if the trend that many discussants have adopted is to mistake our good sense for cowardice, they have gravely miscalculated!

therationa:

I believe we can discuss facts/history/theology without personal attacks.

Which is why I raised those concerns earlier on - which sadly seem to have fallen on deaf ears with many people!

therationa:

I have notices the tone of your vitriolic style against some of the mu-slim posters, so it seems to be characteristic of your style.

It is not characteristic of my style, though you may use this as a fine excuse for the present. What does it cost Muslims to enter into discussions without resorting to such brigand crudity or gaucheness? If it was not gratifying enough for them to threaten us all with fatwas, then they hope that this hypocrisy of hiding behind your type of comments gives them the prerogative to constantly slur Christianity! My responses are aimed to help them reason as to whether they would like to be served in just the same manner; and if they do not want to see and read things that would displease their sensitivity, then they should drop their hypocrisies.

I have personally made the call SEVERAL times for discussants to grow up and behave! We are all grown up to be running to Seun and disturbing the gentleman with reports every single time, when in fact those who are doing the reporting are the same fellows who never see their own cowardly mendacity. Perhaps when they calm down and sit up to discuss, then they would see that Christians are reasonable people!

How many times have folks like you made a general call to discussants to express some deference in discussions? All we ever get to see are the complaints that trail your posts against Christians. It is not as if I support this sad trend to keep this slurring on-going; but I don't see you guys doing enough to sanitize this motherboard and make it safe enough and conducive for rational discussions.

therationa:

In your less-abusive manner, you really are a good discussant

Thanks for the compliment. I've seen some of your sane discussions, and I do hope that we can repair our fences and see better days in this much celebrated Forum.

Cheers.

He called us His Children!

'Abba Father' - that is the Name you have always wanted us to know!
To Abram Thy friend, You gave the name 'Abraham'
- that he might be the 'father' of many nations:
Just so we might see how strong are your covenants
To bring many sons to glory!

Moses of old had called the 'Father'
So did Isaiah - "O LORD, thou art our Father"
The nations will rejoice who come to know Thy Name
For FATHER Thou art; and OUR Father You shall ever be!

Praise Your Name in the Highest!
Praise Your Name on earth!
Praise You in every clime and place!
Abba Father, we love and adore You!

Dear efuah,

efuah:

Errr. . . what's happening here? u people should not bring your wrestling here O! This place na holy grounds for worship and praises ONLY!! not arguments n comparisons!!

Don't frown, just keep praising the LORD!

The reason why you see such illiterates barging into this thread is because their 'allah' has failed to satisfy them. That is why they must seek to be so bellicose and start displaying their restlessness in threads where they have no business to meddle with!

Just keep praising Him. Hallelujah!

@therationa,

therationa:

Thanks. you made my point.

Sorry, he did not make your point. I don't see how you have intellectually discussed your own assumptions and stayed your ground in the several issues relating to this that have been addressed already - until you specificallly asked that some of us should not reply to your threads.

You only have been looking for cheap avenues to celebrate a hollow victory that the Bible is not "historically reliable". Haw! I still do not see how you have been able to demonstrate any intellectual and rational reasoning before you applauded yourself.

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Stimulus: Open your eyes and read the article from Wikipedia posted above:

Please stop patronizing me with that garboil - I know what the article said; and it is not saying the rubbish that you and Deedat have been arguing for eons!

olabowale:

I also remarked, there that if the definition of Ton theon is wrong from Wikipedia, the same source for your 'Intelligence,' then your whole premise is wrng.

You're such a laugh! Please go and see my thread and ask yourself if I got my intelligence from Wikipedia? What is the link of Wikipedia that I might have plagiarized? From the onset I told you guys that you will never see me plagiarizing any website - and my style would be to go directly to the source (the Greek texts),  read what it says, and then discuss precisely what is stated there! If you can't do the same, it is no surprise that you're at a lose as to how to cover your harrumph!

You may have "remarked" that Wikipedia was wrong in defining "ton theon" - that is least of my worries; but I'm still waiting for you to attend to this assignment:

stimulus:

@olabowale,

olabowale link=topic=103159.msg1968752#msg1968752 date=1203346318:

I wonder how you, Stimulus, will explain Theos; any deity, including God. Yet TonTheon is described as God fearer and Ibrahiim (as) as Great Religious Hanifan is used to illustrate it.

Do you care to show me how you connect "ton theon" to mean "God fearer"?

I'm waiting!

And yes - I'm still waiting!

olabowale:

Afterall, they are your first rate 'Greek reference source.'

Abeg throw your lies to the bin! Who ever told you that? You're sounding ever so confused for your fallacies - your eye go see pepper!

olabowale:

You see I do not have to have any problem knowing that in English God could mean anything if it has a small g, while with a capital G, it mean the Almighty Creator.

Keep deceiving yourself! Your own illiterate scholar did not even argue out his premise that way; and if this is the best mewling excuse you can offer, what a huge embarrassment it must be for your clan!

olabowale:

Also Lord can be use to denote the superiority of one person by another, (afterall there is a house of lords in England parliamentary governance), but there is One true Lord, Lord God the Almighty Creator.

When Muhammad referred to 'Lord' in the Qur'an, did he excuse it as one of the titles for the English parliament? Hawwwww!! I go laugh you to shame!

olabowale:

And Jesus aint it. Please return to Mark 12 Verse 29. Thats Jesus talking directly, at least no Great One will disagree with the textural meaning of that verse.

With all your noise, no muslim has been able to explicate the meaning of that verse - and that is why I will not leave you guys to be running from thread to thread littering posts with the same illietrate adventures. You want to see the texts in the contextual meaning according to their languages? Fine - I'll walk you guys through the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic texts so you can grobvel all you like!

And don't come back giving me that mewling cry about your dread of going to the Hebrew texts. That cry is for kids, and I don't intend to call a nanny for you!

olabowale:

Open your eyes and your mind and take every word in and then get back to me.

Open you nostrils and wash the catarrh out and then attend to the assignment I gave you above!

olabowale:

I will devote the whole of this week for you for concerns.

No worries - even if I'm engaged, I'll take time to post my replies and ensure you guys do not borrow extra legs for scooting off that subject!

olabowale:

I may be busy next week, God (Almighty Creator) willing.

Good. So whatever happened to your 'god' and the Lai-la-la-yada-yada?

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@The poster and others Christian: Why worship creation then, if God Almighty is different and apart from all created beings?

WHY did Allah ask the angels to bow down to ADAM - was Adam not a created being?

I fail to see why you keep harping on this hypcrisy against Christianity when the first instance of the same thing you complain about is the foundation of Islam! Or do you want to deny that one too - as you have tried to excuse others?

olabowale:

Alas! The Christian will never disappoint anybody. Everything must end with Jesus, even when they are trying to talk to God, directly.

You may be disappointed with that - but Christians who know their worth are following precisely what Jesus recommended:

John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do,
that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

We have seen that promise fulfilled again and again - and no one who has enjoyed the fulfillment of that promise has ever gone away disappointed.

On the other hand, we know that Muhammad predicated Muslim prayers upon his own name. WHY are you not so concerned about that?

olabowale:

They never cease to call themselves children of god.

Because that is what God has called us -

[list] Deuteronomy 14:1
Ye are the children of the LORD your God:
ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any
baldness between your eyes for the dead.

Hosea 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel
shall be as the sand of the sea,
which cannot be measured nor numbered;
and it shall come to pass,
that in the place where it was said unto them,
Ye are not my people,
there it shall be said unto them,
Ye are the sons of the living God.

Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit,
that we are the children of God.[/list]

olabowale:

Yet God the Almighty created the first man, Adam, and we are all Children of Adam, because we came from his loin/seed with Eve, his wife. But God never called Adam His son or Eve His daughter. And neither of the husband and wife called God father, how then we see Christian claim this unclaimable title, when God does not say that He wants Children, yet he has been consistent in saying that He is the Creator?

What you called "unclaimable title" is a manifestation of what Muhammad gave you - a DENIAL of the revelations God gave of Himself to the Biblical prophets! That denial sealed his fate, qualified him as a false prophet, blinded the hearts and minds of those who followed him, and after over 14 centuries of knocking your heads on prayer mats, you still don't have a clue of redemption nor of what it means to know God as FATHER! Just as Muhammad confused it for "siring", that is how you have continued to miss the meaning!

The day you turn your heart to the LORD and seek to know His NAME, you will find His blessing and come to understand what Muhammad actually was! I pray that day is not too late for you. You cannot pit one arabian "prophet" against ALL the prophets of the Bible and hope to walk away standing straight!

oyb:

aah, i see. . .

Seeing still with the intoxications after the booze. . .?

Bolarge:

It's simply a statistic in the Guinness Book of records, the same book that has the record of the most promiscuous woman (she made the record of having sex with over 300 men in 12hrs).

I think this is stretching the analogy too far! The Guinness Book of Records is not a pornn book, even if it details such an entry; and we can't deny that there are far more spectacular records that the book carries. I believe that it is no mere "statistics" that we find the Faith Tabernacle featured in it - and I'm sure that is a significant input, nonetheless.

oyb:

   

is it just me, or is your nose getting longer?

Oh, I see the intoxication still has strong effects on you! When your vision comes back to normal, you will see clearer!

@therationa,

therationa:

You are absolute correct. I was looking at it from the narrow sense it which it was defined in this thread. But the broader sense of the word is racial pride (or worse still racial superiority). Afro-centrism was a reaction to the adverse treatment Africans had been subjected to over the centuries, but at it own extreme, it tends to reverse the dangers of other national superiority dogmas againsts other people.

Apt!

therationa:

Some of the problems resulting Afrocentrism was the demonification of Europeans in early post-colonisation Africa in places like Congo (Zaire) and today in Zimbabwe.

I don't get you there. Who actually was demonizing Europeans?

therationa:

Admittedly, problems of this nature do not generally admit of such a simplistic explanation, but when racial pride is poured into the mix, it only makes it more intractable.

Worse than intractable - which is why we as Africans should aim to reject the brigand attitude that seeks to perpetuate the same societal ills.

@oyb,

oyb:

sorry, i was rating you too high, since you are a familiar at the buruktu joint, maybe you could just point me over there. . .you pontificating

I only heard you left there after spending the wee hours sprawled all over the benches. Do you mind letting us know which parlour it was?

You muslims make us laugh at your garrulous incoherence! Several times, we have appealed to you to be modest in the way you address discussants and issues in this motherboard; but after knocking your head endlessly on your arabian mats, you have the nerve to barge in here formenting a disturbance that you can't sustain. When you are directed back to what you never considered in your own quarters, then you begin to grovel.

If you're going to discuss, do so with some sense. It's up to you whether you want to see better inputs or continue to yoyo with your infestations.

@oyb,

oyb:



it would seem you need to throw away the johhnie walker (or is it weed) stowed below your desk - you are getting incoherent . you have long been worse than a pipe head

Thanks for being such a mewling wussy! You barge in here with crossed-eyes and now asking for a sip of Johnnie Walker! When next are you visiting the brukutu joint?

@oyb,

oyb:

are you trying to call us mohammedans ?

Too scared to identify yourself? Or your leopard spots have suddenly started stinging you in the wrong places?

oyb:

this is the white man i'm referring to(below)

I see . . . [blank]

oyb:

wonder how all the angels etal in christianity are blond and blue eyed, while demons are black.

Because that is how Muhammad saw them and had to pretend his a'llah was whiter than them all.

oyb:

you do come across as a demon, come to think of it.

Lol, who was the prophet who said that all Muslims have a demon attache - has he changed his name from Muhammad? You are even worse than a wacko-head! Continue with your demon-innfestation - courtesy of the white Muhammad!

oyb:

why would i be friends with someone out to stab me in the back?

Haaaawwww. . . a precise description of your ummah! Why do you think they're all rushing to grab their booties of 72 virgins in Jannah?

@therationa,

therationa:

Mixed with religious credulous zealotry, Afro-centrism is a wicked and potent poison in the fabric of the Africa.

It is not confined or perculiar to the African continent.

therationa:

Do I need to give examples?

Please do if you care - you might just be surprised what will follow your response.

@focused,

focused:

What I have written about I'slam is the truth, nothing but the truth. You m'uslims have this habit of denying what you know is the truth.

It is becoming even more obvious why you don't seek to euphemise your responses to M'uslim posts. No matter how many times one appeals to them to be amicable, it is always first-aid to them to barge in like drunks from a brukutu parlour and just waste their oration with reckless abandon. If they are not jobless and fed up with disguising their religion, then they would send fatwa to Nairaland to help us drop a'llah altogether!

@oyb,

oyb:

see this worshipper of a white man making noise

Was M'uhammed not a white man - or was he one of those "black cursed spawn of noah"?

This is how you seek to address the question of why your Qur'an asks you to not take Jews and Christians for friends - and when you clutter-trap is sealed, you wave a tattered white flag! Well done.

@olabowale,

olabowale:

I wonder how you, Stimulus, will explain Theos; any deity, including God. Yet TonTheon is described as God fearer and Ibrahiim (as) as Great Religious Hanifan is used to illustrate it.

Do you care to show me how you connect "ton theon" to mean "God fearer"?

I'm waiting!

@olabowale,

Please don't run like a scampered wussy - face the subject of this thread, for that is why I brought you guys here in the first place. I've dealt with Deedat's rants about the Greek words in John 1:1 without evading any point in the parts you and babs787 plagiarized.

Following that, I did not solicit for your story rumbles; rather I left you a simple assignment:

Which of these Greek terms between theos (θεος) and theon (θεον) were used in the following texts:

John 3:16 John 8:41
John 14:1 John 3:17
John 21:19 John 3:21

These verses will help us see the huge gaps in Deedat's arguements!

Has that proven so difficult for your ummah to even attempt? Unfortunately, Deedat is late and it's impossible for you to consult him for adjustments. Or, probably, the smart ones among you have quickly taken a peep and discovered indeed that there are huge holes in Deedat's rants.

Whatever is the case, please save your senseless stories for your clan - because the more you attempt deflecting this thread, the more you're likely to read me zipping up your otiose remarks.

If you're waffling or jibbing out of this discussion for your inability to hold your ground in the Greek language, do so graciously and save your yellow teeth from further exposure. If you're confident of making any meaningful rejoinders, I'd be glad to consider it.

Do you care to deal with the issues of this thread?