MC Usman:

"World's Best Seller?" Page iii, paragraph six of the PREFACE of the RSV reads:*
"THE KING JAMES VERSION (alternative description of AV) HAS WITH GOOD REASON BEEN TERMED 'THE NOBLEST MONUMENT OF ENGLISH PROSE.' ITS REVISERS IN 1881 EXPRESSED ADMIRATION FOR 'ITS SIMPLICITY, ITS DIGNITY, ITS POWER, ITS HAPPY TURNS OF EXPRESSION, THE MUSIC OF ITS CADENCES, AND THE FELICITIES OF ITS RHYTHM.' IT ENTERED, AS NO OTHER BOOK HAS, INTO THE MAKING OF THE PERSONAL CHARACTER AND THE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS OF THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING PEOPLES. WE OWE IT AN INCALCULABLE DEBT."

for in the very same breath they say: YET THE KING JAMES VERSION HAS GRAVE DEFECTS." And, "THAT THESE DEFECTS ARE SO MANY AND SO SERIOUS AS TO CALL FOR REVISION.

Lakpenne:

@Stimulus, KAG and others, I think:

Sitmulus I believe said: A belief system is not such a natural inclination - if it were, there would be no atheists, skeptics or agnostics today!

The problem with your type of reasoning is to assume a default position and make every effort to justify that position without having carefully considered what other plausible explanations there might be as pointers to the emergence of a belief system.

If I assume the default, I think others hav likewise assumed a default. But there must be a default nonetheless. the only questions is, which one is it. The idea that the existence of atheism defeats the claim that God belief is a default is simply wrong.

Lakpenne:

Firstm there arent even that many atheist compared to theists - os on the numbers alone, they lose as a proposition of what is more likely a natural trend.

Lakpenne:

Humans are unusual in that we have something called free will which God has given us, which may be used to either turn away from our natural inclination to spirituality or bring us even closer.

Lakpenne:

Look at yourself stimulus.

You had your own doubts and debates until your brother showed you the return to God belief and as you have argued elsewhere, many people might reject a certain religious concept but they maintain their spirituality. why, cause its their innate connection to God. It would stike me as odd that the omnipotent God that created man, left us with no natural inclination to Him - that to me would be a grosss miscalculation.

Lakpenne:

As olobowale had suggested, what came first atheism or theism. if its theism, then God created Adam an atheist?

therationa:

In this thread, I want to deal with the events as reported in the gospel, around the birth of Jesus to see the extend to which the corroborate with the historical records of the time. It is only by checking the gospel against external independent source can we gain an appreciation as to its reliability.

MC Usman:

Most Vibrant or most Profitable

SysUser:


First of all the area of the bible that is in discussion is given below


Exo 24:9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:

Exo 24:10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

Exo 24:11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.



Secondly, the "they" in this verses refere to : Moses, Abihu, Nadab, and Aaron


Thirdly the verses mentions what "they" did, the verses did not mention what God did.

Fourthly, the following are what "they" did:

1. "they" saw God

2. "they" ate

3. "they" drank


So i hope that answers your obvious sarcastic question.

SysUser:

those you have contibuted to killing or thought of killing, in the name of the demon "all.aH"

SysUser:

Mo.hammad was a peadophile and there is nothing you can do to change history or cover up the lies,

therationa:


That Christian have build a theology out of this FRAUD is simply pathetic.
See below for the responses from some Christians apologetics (Stimulus, 4HIM and Imhotep) for the kind of twisted logic, obfuscation they manifest in defense of this intellectual dishonestly.

Horus:

Stop and think one moment. The name God is not really in the bible.

Horus:

Religion is waist of time.

Horus:

and if one does not know , that is ignorance.

Horus:

and if one does not know , that is ignorance.

therationa:

Oh, are those the hands of Peter to the left of the picture? Classic scene

BREAD is symbolic of the Body of Christ - we eat the bread in the Supper: is that cannibalism, Horus?

The Fruit of the Vine in the Cup is symbolic of His Blood - we drink of that Cup in the Supper: is that cannibalism, Horus?

olabowale:

I just want to know how is it that these people saw God and in another place, it was declared no one ever saw God?

olabowale:

How large is this God that the earth could be standinga nd the heavens were not torn into shreds?

auwal87: If Abraham, Moses, and Jesus saw God, then indeed Prophet The Great Prophet also saw God,

auwal87:
Though I am not sure which God the Bible claims they saw, because I saw in Exodus 24 9-11 they even eat and drink with Him, are you sure He is God (HE EAT AND DRINK),

olabowale:

How is it that the Children of Israel asked that moses should be the one talking to God, because they are afraid that they will die, if god spoke to them, yet in the verse above, it seemed as if God spoke to them?

KAG:

That's fair enough.

KAG:

But doesn't that point to a lack of coherence? If so many differing and sometimes opposing viewpoints can be interpreted from a book to purports to be the word of a being that doesn't foster confusion, then one can only conclude, in my opinion, that incoherence is at the heart of the text.

KAG:

Strangely enough, that was probably one of the few threads I've started that got more than a couple of answers.

KAG:

I suppose. Yeah, that's a good point. I did find that irritating too.

olabowale:

Plain english please; I did not get you. What are you talking about? Could you be frank and let th Great Ones approach the subject/question directly! I think the 3 godheads for 1 god is probably the condition that confused some people so badly that they became atheist; shunning all possible chances to find another belief.

olabowale:

I wonder when Hutchinson wrote his anti God book, why did he titled it " God is not great?" Which group says God is Great, more than the other, the Christians or the Great Ones? The first line in Ahdan is Allahu Akbar (God is Great in Arabic). Give me a line to rival it in Christianity. Will you.

olabowale:

This dude is confusing largeness in Number to substantive in Thought. No my brother. Majority may rule, but it does not make the rule a just rule. Unfortunately, I see a lot of threads opened by many against Christianity and your contribution have been Zero.

olabowale:

I see where this is going; Nowhere. Where do you live again? I remember President Bush declaring Crusade against The Great Religion. Maybe he meant to say Christianity. Here on Nairaland, you could not shake off the avalanche of therationa. And indeed it is a Great One, by the name of Lakpenne who came to rally the troop against him.

olabowale:

I asked a very simple question to the atheist but they could not answer it.

olabowale:

Maybe i should ask you here and now: Do you think that mankind have reached full knowledge concerning Embryology or anything for that matter? If your answer is know, then how could you make a definite conclusion that your conclusion today will be able to stand the knowledge of tomorrow? If your answer is no, then that was your answer.

olabowale:

It is my complete conviction that there will be future knowledge that will proof Qur'anic statement about all things correct. Further, by the end of time, there will be some knowledge get unrealised from the Qur'an. For example what is the nature of "SOUL?"

olabowale:

Is that true guys? Bawomol and co, how do you think you can stand the avalanche from Great Ones who have One God, if you 'Chicken' out from a three in One christian god belief?

olabowale:

You must be dreaming. Didn't I ask you to explain to me why you used Greek words in One place and switch to Hebrew in another? Come on. Okay I am here now.

olabowale:

But please don't ask me to expalin a word to you in Greek, a language which did not see any revelation.

olabowale:

Be consistent, then I will debate you.

olabowale:

I haver no time to waste with going from one language to another.

olabowale:

And by the way, I can chew gum and walk at the same time, hence, it ia not impossible for me to attend to more than one thread at any time.

olabowale:

I hear your complaint. Now when can we do this Trinity thing, again?

olabowale:

How do you define a word that is foreign to the Bible?

olabowale:

Do you have Trinity as a word in the Bible?

olabowale:

And please don't tell me you have the idea in it, because there is no reason for you to omit something as important as Trinity, but only develop in the Bible instead an idea on it.

olabowale:

You complain too much. I am sick of it. Just approach the topic and stay on it.

olabowale:

When shall we do this Trinity thing again?

olabowale:

You got it wrong, my man. The Prophet of God The Great Prophet (as) said in an authentic Hadith: All children are born Great One (a belief system), but it is their parents who turn them to Jew or Christian (another set of beliefs).

olabowale:

@Stimulus; Just wait and watch. Maybe you will learn something. The atheist have been bashing the bible, contacdicts et all and you have not put up any effort about it.

Horus:

Human Sacrifice and cannibalism are diferents.
This thread is : Cannibalism In The Bible,so yes let carry on with this thread.

Lakpenne:

Again, what human has excaped it. what human, even the agnostic, does not look up to the sky - almost instictively - searching for something higher than it. It is both instinctive - I submit, as well as rational

Lakpenne:

Rational because of the oldest argument in the book - which atheist seem to discount thse days - that a thing is produced from something else (and please do not retort with the usual "who made God argument). This argument is classic and is itself inescapable - which is presicely why generation after generation, we cannot shake off the god beleif syndrome that we have.

Lakpenne:

Many scientist- atheists mind you - have come to the conclusion that we are hard wired to believe in God - although they ultimately still do not believe. Thus, as I have argued and suggested, God belief is "nature" not "nurture." The question then becomes, is it true - this is where the logical exercise comes into play.

Lakpenne:

Even the hight priest on anti-theism - Richard Dawkins - likens god belief to a disease of sorts that inflicts man. interesting that he chooses to explain it as a disease or virus He cannot explain why the heck it keeps coming back depsite efforts to eradicte it and despite the advances in science. why - because it cannot be killed. he recognizes that yet he foolishly pursues tirelessly to kill it. He will fail and die failing.

Lakpenne:

Here is a link to the Times Magazine article on the atheist scientist discussion about being hardwired for God belief: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/magazine/04evolution.t.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5088&en=a43cfb7b24423cc6&ex=1330664400&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Lakpenne:

@KAG, Stimulus and the rest:

Perhaps I misssed something. I don't even know who is a theist and who is not anymore. We assume that everyone learns of God belief through nurture because a society raises the question. Be that as it may (altough I disagree), I wonder why its such a natural inclination that we have.

Lakpenne:

Birds have no idea how to fly when born and probably don't even know that they must migrate south during the winter nor do they even realize - perhaps - that they take the shortest route over water when flying south from certain parts of the world. They don't go to school to learn this but it comes instictively as they grow older.

But, do the bird parent - whatever they are called - assist the bird in learning the tools of the trade, like the flying part and the catching worms and heading south for the winter, etc? of course (although to what extent, I plead ignorance). Yet, we say that this is all instinctive to the bird - nature, not nurture.

Lakpenne:

Just because one is taught how to do something or the issue is raised by society does not man that that particular issue is not innate to the person. In the same manner that the birds and other animals have a natural instictive drive to somehting, humans have shown a natural and instictive drive - even without eveing called upon to do so - to ask those inexcapable questions.

bawomolo:

stuff about not eating pork etc since they were considered unclean those days.

bawomolo:

as for homophobia, stuff like calling homosexuality an indecent act seem homophobic IMO

Femi 1:

I never knew God use to eat until i read it in the Bible, aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh:" Moses,Aaron,Nadab,Abihu, and seventy of the leaders of isreal went up the mountain and they saw the God of isreal.Beneath his feet was what looked like a pavement of sapphire, as blue as the sky.God did not harm these leading men of isreal; they saw God, and then they ate and drank together"Exodus 24v9-11.

bawomolo:

can u prove homophobia was inspired by God.

bawomolo:

lots of the dietary laws in the bible were due to cultural reasons too.

bawomolo:

let's not stoop low here.

bawomolo:

i prefer to listen to personal testimonies.

therationa:

ABSOLUTELY NOT,

Neither should they plait or braid their hair, according to Paul.

bawomolo:

in what ways or form have u found God

ayinba1:

If you persist, you have reserved for yourself a space in the Blazing fire.

4Him:

but you kept begging for "answers" . . . Tired of being shown up?

therationa:


That Christian have build a theology out of this FRAUD is simply pathetic.
 See below for the responses from some Christians apologetics (Stimulus, 4HIM and Imhotep) for the kind of twisted logic, obfuscation they manifest in defense of this intellectual dishonestly.

therationa:

I have some more text to the original post.

therationa:

Stimulus, 4HIM and Imhotep you are welcome NOT to post any replies to my posts. You may post but do NOT expect a direct response from me. You guys are just simply childish and dishonest.

therationa:

Stimulus, 4HIM and Imhotep you are welcome NOT to post any replies to my posts.

therationa:

You may post but do NOT expect a direct response from me.

therationa:

You guys are just simply childish and dishonest.

4Him:

hmmmm childish and dishonest . . . for a moment i thot u were describing your general attitude on this forum.

therationa:

Stimulus, 4HIM and Imhotep you are welcome NOT to post any replies to my posts. You may post but do NOT expect a direct response from me. You guys are just simply childish and dishonest.

therationa:

Stimulus, 4HIM and Imhotep you are welcome NOT to post any replies to my posts.

therationa:

You may post but do NOT expect a direct response from me.

therationa:

You guys are just simply childish and dishonest.

therationa:

Stimulus, 4HIM and Imhotep you are welcome NOT to post any replies to my posts.

therationa:

You may post but do NOT expect a direct response from me.

therationa:

You guys are just simply childish and dishonest.