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italo:
Oh! So Yahweh doesn't exist yet he killed more people than Stalin.

You still don't get it. The fact that God does not exist and the Bible account of him being nonsensical and fictional are not mutually exclusive. In your warped mind you think they are but they are not.

italo:
Yet you'd rather rant about this God than sleep at night.

Make up your confused mind.

Is God non existent or is he evil?

Is the Bible true or erroneous?

The God as described in the Bible is atrocious period. I am basing this argument on your book that is physically available. As for his existence, there is no proof. But the accounts in the bible are asinine.

italo:
Exactly what this thread is meant expose.

Atheists say Yahweh doesn't exist yet they curse him as evil.

Atheists say the Bible stories are untrue yet they Believe the Bible stories of Yahweh killing are true.

Restless, agitated, bitter, scatter brained.

Made so by satan.

The story that you christian bought are there for the criticisms. They are funny stories created by ancient goat herders bought hook, line and sinker by the gullible. When novels are written, critics rate it for the content. The dismissal of the bible by atheists is from this angle. This is why christians cannot engage in any rational debate about the horrible bible because the bible is the weakest link for christians.

A six year old who knows elementary bible can defeat a Christian in a simple debate because the bible makes no sense.

italo:
Exactly what this thread is meant expose.

Atheists say Yahweh doesn't exist yet they curse him as evil.

Atheists say the Bible stories are untrue yet they Believe the Bible stories of Yahweh killing are true.

Restless, agitated, bitter, scatter brained.

Made so by satan.

So you don't believe that the Bible killings are true? What is true in the bible any way? The creation of the world in six days? Creating plants before sunlight? Cane being marked so he would not be killed by whom I don't know. Cane moving to the land of the Nod and finding a wife but we are not told how? Virgin birth?

Doctrines inspired by an insane according to your bible John 10:20, Mark 3:21? Where do we stop?

italo:
What can make an adult ignore the charity, schools, hospitals, other contributions that only religion has offered the human race...read http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Western_civilization

...and ignore the fact that the worst mass murderers in human history are Atheist leaders like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao etc

Yet claim religion is synonymous with violence and fraud.

Only satan can make a human being so dishonest.

No one comes close to Yahweh when it comes to killing. He was the worst serial killers of children, women and people that did nothing to him. David was a man after his heart but killed more people than all the people you just mentioned combined. His dowry was paid with 200 foreskins. Yahweh is a bad example of a father. He drowned almost all his children for offending him.

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31.17,18. What kind of God is this?

With Yahweh as God who needs the Devil. Yahweh can kiss my as*s because he is atrocious. You want to give minor examples of the good Christians did but you forgot that religion has been the force for evil. The ship used to enslave Africans had Jesus inscribed on it. One of the earlier popes blessed the slave merchants.

In one fell swoop Yahweh killed 1 million Ethiopians. (2 Chronicles 14). This alone is the worst genocide recorded in the despicable bible. Yahweh killed Amalekites over and over again but not at the scale he killed Ethiopians. You should be ashamed that Yahweh also discriminates against Africans too.

Please provide one evidence that God exists or just find something else to do. You can't force anyone to believe in your imaginary friend. By the way you have a high probability of being classified as an atheist too. For example, if Yahweh's alter ego Allah is the real dude, any Christian would be considered an atheist and vice versa.

It expands from there to include millions of other Gods like Sango, Ogun, Amadioha, Zeus etc. Any of these could be God and if so, you christians and Muslims would be atheists.

It seems to me that no meaningful distinction exists between getting the God wrong but believing in something and getting the God wrong but not believing in anything.

Stop opening threads to bash atheists, it is counter productive and exposes you guys as haters.

benalvino1:
Faith don't work with proof... the creation of earth in the bible and the God that create humans documented in the bible is what I believe... I don't use Hubble telescope to start talking crap.

This thread is not about me proving anything but about atheists who base their beliefs on backs to back up the creation of the universe with facts

You have used the classic religious cop out-begging the question. When it gets to the circular reasoning point I know that you've have nothing else but to hide under "I believe it because it is in the bible." Thank you for your time any way, it has been fun.

Take heed from your bible learn to rein in your tongue otherwise your religious beliefs are in vain.

fuckluv:
Really? Never heard of this.
How about the Isoko(s) because they have the same culinary skills with Yorubas.

Isoko and Urhobo are the same people called the Sobo people.

Hjf

benalvino1:
am calling people names? where? you and lies...

dude I claim there is God yes I don't or I can't prove it!
I don't care who is the correct god

the question is there and answer it, show me proof of big bang
show me proof of evolution
stop diverting

that is not the issue here... we from time says our belief is based on faith so I don't have to tell you anything...

you said yours is based of scientific facts so you tell me.

I have used conservation of energy I haven't even entered Newton laws of motion...
if everything continues to remain at rest... what force that is applied to the atom that made them move and collide?

You conceded that you have no proof of God. This is important despite your claim that your belief is based on faith. Faith is not a choice though. You can't see white and say it is black because you have faith it is so.

Your denial of being abusive does not make sense. The caption of your thread belies the denial!
You should care about which God is real because your belief is mostly based on fear of eternal damnation. If you choose the wrong God assuming there is any God, you will face this damnation. Therefore saying that you don't care which is the real God is asinine.

It seems to me that no meaningful distinction exists between getting the God wrong but believing in something and getting the God wrong but not believing in anything.

I personally do not care about the physics or chemistry of the formation of the world, all I know is that there is no evidence of God.

Buhari can fool some people sometimes but he cannot fool all the people all the time. Buhari's campaign will implode before February 14, 2014 and he will go home and continue to wish for his sharia republic.

GEJ is the man for Nigeria right now while Buhari represents the gloomy part.

tonychristopher:
Land grabbers

I lived in Warri at okere road..itshekiri had more in similarity with Benin than Yoruba

Maybe what I should ask is why do their women bleach so much and prostitue mama jelomi comes to mind

But why is it that all tribes in delta hates them
Urjobo fought them
I jaw fought them
Igbo Ignores them

Are they up to 1000 in population ..I have not seen one since I left Warri years ago

The Itsekiri look and speak Yoruba though the ruling class might have come from Benin. As for other allegations that you made, I do not have the facts to validate or deny them. However, I know that the Igbo in Delta are the stabilizing force otherwise the lot of the Itsekiri might have been more dire.

Yet the Itsekiri do not recognize this fact. The Igbo in delta were the pillar of Uduaghan government for eight years. How did he repay them? By trying to double cross them and sell his soul to one of the Itsekiri so-called enemies that you talked about-the Urhobo. The Urhobo fought Uduaghan throughout his eight-year reign but it did not stop him from betraying the Igbo that support him. But for providence he nearly succeeded.

By the way, the Igbo in Delta themselves are under siege and too busy fighting for survival to notice the Itsekiri.

benalvino1:
One you calling someone atheists that believes in God shows you lack serious intellect...
Two again Christians knows their God is real, Muslims knows their god is real... let the real one come and judge which is what Christians are waiting for...

Am glad you don't claim to be smart... atheist believe in big bang and base their beliefs of science which explain conservation of energy... the question you wont answer is how 2d matters come into existence from nothing?

Instead of you to answer the question you are telling me about 10million gods... what has that got to do with the question I originally asked?
Lets say I agree with you for a moment. God does not exist... now tell me how that atom take form?

See, you calling people names shows that you are a classless act. Your claim that both Muslim God and Christian God are real tells me that you are intellectually challenged despite your claim of intellectual superiority. Both Allah and Yahweh's method of worship are antithetical so you've confirmed my hypothesis. If Allah is the correct God, you are doomed because you don't believe in God and you would be an atheist.

You are not even a Christian by the standard set by your God:

James 1:26 (KJV) If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

You tell me how your God was created since you don't believe that atom created itself. If we extend your logic either atom existed in a vacuum or God did and I would rather believe that a rational God cannot exist in vacuum and believe that atom created itself. And with all the atrocities your God committed and inspired in the bible who needs a devil.

You christians then created imaginary devil to validate your phantom God when in actual fact Yahweh is the devil killing children, women and innocent people including 1 million Africans in one fell swoop according to your Bible. Check your thread and see how many people you have abused for opposing your views.

When I see someone as abusive as you are, off the bat, I know the person has nothing to offer but insults. I will not respond to any more of your insults.

benalvino1:
If I am an atheists how come am arguing against atheists? Atheists are suppose to be smart and its funny that you are not and don't even know what atheists means yet you want to be one. Christians don't dismiss other gods as non existing... They simply say they are false gods just like the bible says... I don't know where you are getting your info from.

So let me understand your smart as*s: when you say other Gods are false Gods it does not mean that you are dismissive of those Gods? Give me a break!

With you being smart then I'd rather be in my dumb cocoon. Unfortunately for you as smart as you claim to be, you do not understand my logic. Again, you need to understand that there are at least 10 million Gods in existence today. The odds of you getting it right is from 0 to 1:10 million. No body has any evidence of God or knows the real God. For you it is a leap of faith.

So if it turns out that Zeus is the right God and you are a follower of Yahweh or his alter ego Allah, you would be heading to purgatory because you would be considered an atheist since you do not believe in God. Whatever religious dogma you have right now does not guarantee that at the end if the day, you won't be deemed an atheist.

I have never claimed to be smart. In fact, all I know is that I know nothing, therefore I am willing to learn. The problem with those of you that claim to know, is that you only know ignorant theories and stories formulated by ancient goat herders that does not make sense.

slyfox5555:
Atheism is a belief system as well is it not? Your belief is that there is no God. How is that different from religions who believe in the universe itself? Besides, Buddah wasn't and isn't a god.

Atheism is not a belief system as you stated. It is a state of unbelief. You dismiss Budha as God but get upset when someone else dismisses your own God. There is no evidence there is any God period.

You may claim that you believe there is God but mere belief is not evidence. Furthermore, belief is not a choice. It is either day or night. You cannot choose to believe that it is daytime at night. You would be deemed insane if you do won't you?

The so-called advantage that Buhari's adherents use over GEJ which is that he would make everyone cough up stolen money is gone. We all have to see Buhari from the same prism-reactionary, irredentist and revanchist. He has nothing to offer and should go home because Oyegun has pulled the rug from under him.

onuwaje:
nt really sha.. cos we share some words with benin,urhobos,igalla and some corrupted words from d brits.. use wikipedia as a guide

You are Yoruba my friend! Every language has borrowed words including English. Heard of the words assassin or algebra? They are Arabic of origin...you guess my drift?

benalvino1:
The atheist points out the principle of the conservation of energy: that energy can be neither created nor destroyed, but only change forms (it can equally be said that “matter can be neither created nor destroyed…”).

using the conservation of energy to argue against the beginning of the universe reveals confusion about cosmology to begin with. Scientists can extrapolate back to the beginning of the big bang–which is the moment when both space and time came into existence, along with all of the material world. So we know scientifically that there was a moment when there was no matter at all. It was created, not out of other matter, but out of nothing. Here is the key to note: it is once the universe came into existence that the laws of nature came into effect–before the universe, there was nothing.

So if we use the conservation of energy... how did the matter that causes the big bang come in to existence?
How come we as human beings are so well constructed along with animals? Why when we are being formed from which ever bacteria you chose we are formed in male and female?

What kind of chance made us humans? With our eyes, legs, brain, heart, liver, or are they a wonderful construction of a supernatural being?

You are also an atheist but you are ignorant of this fact. There is a very good chance your doctrine is wrong and Budha is the real God. Then you would be considered an atheist and guess who would be deemed stupid? You

It seems to me that no meaningful distinction exists between getting the God wrong but believing in something and getting the God wrong but not believing in anything.

If you understand while you dismiss other people's God, then you would understand why atheists dismiss yours.

Christians and Muslims are also Atheists but they can't figure it out. If Allah is the real God, then Christians are out of luck because they don't believe in God. If you are a Muslim and Budhist God is the real God, then you are an atheist because you don't believe in God. Atheist just believe in one less God than theists

It seems to me that no meaningful distinction exists between getting the God wrong but believing in something and getting the God wrong but not believing in anything.

fuckluv:
I agreed with the "cooking" aspect, they cook so much alike like the Yorubas.
They also bear similar names with Yorubas. They are loving people

Itsekiri is a dialect of the Yoruba. Itsekiri people look Yoruba, they speak Yoruba...they must be Yoruba!

Buhari is perpetually unelectable- El Rufai
Buhari is an agent of destabilization- Afonja Tinubu

Vote GEJ!

datguru:
It is quite disheartening, pitiable, sardonic and baffling how some specie of homo sapiens would retort to doubting the existence of the GREAT GOD. Its better you live as if there is God, even if you die and there's no God you have NOTHING to lose

This is the classic pascal wager that has been discredited. For this doctrine to be correct, you have to be able to pick the correct God to worship. So what are the odds? Like 1:10 million at least.

It is false to say that you have nothing to lose because all the time used for worshipping the imaginary God could be productive in helping you and mankind. Furthermore, all the tithe and offerings are money wasted. Moreover, you cannot say that religion costs nothing.

Tell that to those who have been killed by boko haram and other jihadists. How about the victims of christian crusades of years of yore? In fact, right now religion has become a danger to the world. Thus, it has cost the world a lot.

It seems to me that no meaningful distinction exists between getting the God wrong but believing in something and getting the God wrong but not believing in anything.

Reski:
how did buhari incite people to kill?

Do the research yourself.

Oduduwaboy:
Ridiculous. Most atheist learn to live only by the courage of their convictions. Their is no god to pray to, no pastor to sooth their 'soul' with sweet lies. Usually atheist are few and far between in the community. Wherein lies the refuge then? You are a liar seeking to bring atheists to your ridiculous low-level; go back to church this night to continue telling lies to the pews!

I agree with you that it takes a lot of courage for atheists to be who they are for now. However, Atheists are not as few as you think. Many Nigerians especially men are non believers but they dare not speak up. The world is moving away from religion. Religion is already dead in most European countries. In the U.S., it is on life support. In the next 50 years it would be a non issue

AdamuUcheOla:
I thought your comment was very intelligent and interesting to read; until the last sentence. Religion or in this case non-religion shouldn't mix with politics...from all the available historical evidence; they just don't mix properly.

I understand your frustration but the sentence is based on Buhari's support for the imposition of sharia in Nigeria. That last sentence was intended to convey to everyone that religion should be personal and not imposed. This is also your position.

We said the same thing but in a different way. I guess if Buhari's name was not mentioned, you would have been ok. If that offended you, I am sorry but no offense was intended.

Reski:
May God forgive you. Why are talking assive buhari pulled the trigger the killed the gentleman.

You don't know the legal theory of murder. If you incite someone to kill, you are as guilty as that person.

There is a group I would call atheist deniers. This description fits most theists that do not know that they are potentially atheists too. If you are a Christian and the Budhist God is the real one, you are an atheist because you don't believe in God. If you are a Muslim and sango, Amadioha, balogun, Oloku are the Gods of Africans, then you are an atheist because you don't believe in God. The permutations are too numerous to contemplate.

Everyone in this world is potentially an atheist because no one really knows what the real God is. The theist are gambling that their God is the right one while the atheists don't want to gamble or wager on that issue. Therefore, theists are gamblers on the issue of religion while atheists are non gamblers.

Theists sometimes wave the theory of pascal wager in support of this gamble. The truth is that there is no Evidence of God. As for those who ask how we came about, the real question is how did God come about?

I am a humanist. I believe in the inherent goodness of mankind. I do not believe in superstition which also includes religion. It is surprising that it is the theists that are so scared of their own fellow humans and petrified by death in spite of their almighty God. Christians are even more absurd in their ways.

What can I say about Muslims? they are killing everyone all over the world for Allah because Allah can't fight for himself. This saddens them and they are unhappy even in their utopia of sharialized Islamic caliphates. Buhari wants Egyptian styled Moslem Brotherhood in power as if we are not already screwed with religion in Nigeria,

datribune:
dis post sounds lazy & escapist. If u disagree wit any of d assertions why don't u counter dem & argue ur case on dis public forum.

The burden is on you purveyors of these lies to prove them as correct. It is a maxim in logic that you can't negate a negative. I can't disprove what is factually inaccurate on its face. If you Buhari rabid fans have not learned that name callings reduces you to classless acts by now, I don't know when you will learn.

Slonge2:
These ain't facts, the choice to be syncretized by the illorins, with the fulani's was made out of their volition due to their religious inclination. the illorins are still the political juggernuts in kwara state and they still wield consequential influence over the affairs of kwara state. So stop deflecting the purpose of this thread with your fallacious conjectures.

This is your own spin. You cannot deny the main fact that the town is traditionally ruled by a Fulani Emir and all attempts to install a Yoruba Oba have ended in futility. So what sweeping statement are you talking about?

PassingShot:
Which of them please? Don't just make a sweeping statement and expect to be taken seriously.

Do the research yourself. Don't pass the buck to me.

PassingShot:
It is because you have refused to see his achievements despite that they have been presented on this forum severally. We see what we choose to see, you know?

Try this and pick what is relevant to you from there:

1. Buhari was governor of Borno state under Obasanjo regime and later minister of petroleum.

2. Buhari birthed and supervised the establishment of the existing refineries in NIGERIA.

3. He was head of state between 1983-1985 (a period of 20 months).
There was no religious crisis while he was head of state.

4. He reduced inflation from 23% to 4% by fiscal discipline and home grown economic team (not achieved under any other era).

5. J.J. Rawlings of Ghana took over 2 years before him and killed all the corrupt leaders, while Buhari only sentenced the corrupt leaders in Nigeria to prison.

6. Under his watch as PTF chairman, what he did in road construction in that short period hasn’t been matched by 12 years of the PDP. Hospitals and universities around the country never witnessed as much benefits as they got from the PTF from any government after or before his time.

7. He refused to collect allowance while serving as chairman of the PTF because he said he was already drawing a pension from government, his conscience would not allow him to draw another salary from the purse of same government.

8. He returned excess money spent to purse of government on his return from oversea training as a military officer

9. He is the only former head of state that does not own property or land in Abuja.

10. Buhari personally recommended late Dora Akunyili to OBJ because of her diligence during PTF interaction.
Every attempt to rubbish him through probes in time past ended up vindicating him! The man who was asked by OBJ to take over PTF before it was scrapped with the aim of indicting Buhari ended up being prosecuted for misappropriating $100 million of PTF funds!

11. His personal driver and cook of many years are christians
He has OPENLY challenged those who accuse him of religious fundamentalism to come out and show proof. No one has till today taken up the challenge.


12. He is the ONLY politician in northern Nigeria today who fills rallies without renting a crowd!
People who know him (including pastor Bakare) have said of him……” All I need from Buhari is his word, I can take it to the bank”.

If honesty and probity are the things you want for Nigeria, now is the time to choose right.
”Conscience is an opened wound, only truth can heal it”

These nonsense have been debunked numerous times. Why resurrect them again? Find another propaganda tool, not these tired and retired factually incorrect assertions.

There is a difference between locomotives and high speed trains. Even the U.S. Uses the same type of train that Nigeria uses now. There is no high speed train in the U.S. It is only recently that U.S. is trying to set up a link between Houston and Dallas at an estimated cost of 10 billion dollars.

The entire Budget of Nigerian is equivalent to the Budget of some small cities in the U. S. Maybe some homeowners association. Nigeria is not as rich as many think.

http://news.yahoo.com/long-delayed-u-high-speed-rail-plans-may-190219039--finance.html

It is incongruent to blame GEJ for not using high speed trains in Nigeria. They are very expensive and would sap the budget of Nigeria.