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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 7:37am On Jan 01, 2015

cloudstar:
My first argument or proof is the cosmological argument:

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause
4. That first cause is God

This is mere sophistry or better yet the fallacy of non sequitur. It could also qualify as Devine fallacy. Your assertion can never qualify as evidence under any standard. In fact, it is one of the most lame evidence of God I have heard.

The divine fallacy, or the argument from incredulity, is a species of non sequitur reasoning which goes something like this: I can't figure this out, so a god must have done it. Or, This is amazing; therefore, a god did it. Or, I can't think of any other explanation; therefore, a god did it. Or, this is just too weird; so, a god is behind it.

It is a fallacious argument nonetheless.

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Politics › Re: Why I Did Not Submitmy Certificates To INEC– Buhari by sufido123: 7:36am On Jan 01, 2015

Timijo:
A former head of state and the presidential
candidate of the All Progressives Congress
in the 2015 general elections, Maj.-Gen. Muhammadu Buhari (rtd), has explained why he did not submit his certificates and credentials to the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC), saying that the documents are with the military. This came to light yesterday during a visit by journalists to the headquarters of INEC in Abuja where it was revealed that Buhari’s academic qualifications were not on display, unlike those of other presidential candidates including that of his main rival, President Goodluck Jonathan of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP). Explaining the development in an affidavit he
deposed to before an Abuja High Court, Buhari
said that all his certificates were with the
Secretary, Military Board. The affidavit was dated
November 24, 2014 and was stamped and
received by INEC on December 18, 2014. Buhari had said in the affidavit, “I am the above-named person and deponent to this affidavit therein. All my academic qualifications documents
as filled in my presidential form, President
APC/001/2015, are currently with the Secretary,
Military Board, as of the time of presenting this affidavit. The affidavit is made in good faith and
for record purpose. The affidavit is made in good
faith and for record purposes.”

source

Buhari please stop telling stories. Go to the military authorities and retrieve your certificates or go home. The standard must not be lowered for your sake. You've benefited more than your fair share from affirmative actions or quota systems.

GEJ till Buhari gets to pass his GCE!

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Politics › Re: Why I Did Not Submitmy Certificates To INEC– Buhari by sufido123: 7:34am On Jan 01, 2015

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Nairaland General › Re: Our Enemies by sufido123: 6:38am On Jan 01, 2015*

Similar thing happened to me. Coincidentally it was in PH too. I went to a bank inside Uniport. As I approached the entrance I saw this hot young chick. I asked her what is your name? She said Chika. I said you are Igbo and she retorted no, "I am not Igbo am Ikwerre." I then overheard her say " bia" to her friend. I said to her but that is Igbo now! She said no, it is similar but not Igbo.

Anyway to cut a long story short, we exchanged numbers. Later in the evening she called me and we arranged a date for the following evening. She invited me to her hostel. I went to the hostel the next day. It was a very decent hostel. She said her rent was 205k per year. I was impressed.

She had one of those Muoka foams on the ground, two chairs and a table. I sat on a chair. Eventually she got naked, laid on the foam and beckoned on me to come over. I climbed inside the sack with her. We began to make out. She complimented my sweet smell. Suddenly, she noticed my three karat diamond gold ring. She screamed: "what is that ring for?" I said it is just a cocktail ring and nothing more. She said heck no, why is it shining, I replied that it has diamonds it it.

She said please remove it from your left hand since you are using it to massage my pu*ssy, I obliged. However, she was restless. She asked "is it because of the ring that you smell so good?" I said no that I always smell good and sexy. She then said : "I am scared of your ring " I asked her why and she said it might contain voodoo. I laughed and told her she must have watched too many Nigerian movies. I then told her that I am a humanist that is not superstitious neither have I ever consulted a voodoo priest. Furthermore, I am not a member of any secret society.

She continued to be restless. I told her Chika, you have volunteered to give me some in exchange for what you know I would give you- cash. So what is it that the ring would do to you? She said Nigerians are scary people and that I might use her pus*sy juice for money ritual. She told me she heard that many Hausa Alhaji's would use women's juice to make money. After she said this, I stood up, put on my clothes and opened the door to leave, she said oh I am sorry come on now! I said no and left.

She kept calling and pleading with me for three weeks asking me to give her another chance and I refused. Nigerians are a superstitious bunch and yet they spend 24/7 in Church.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 4:41am On Jan 01, 2015

cloudstar:
I guess you are reading with your eyes close. WHAT KIND OF PROOF DO YOU WANT OOOO. Do you want a scientific proof, logical proof, theological one? What type of proof do you want?

You said you have proof in your previous post. Share it now! Any tangible post would do. Forget the science of God delusion, I don't care for it and you conceded that you did not gave that.

Politics › Re: It Is Apc's Duty To Disqualify Buhari - INEC by sufido123: 4:32am On Jan 01, 2015

Even with quota system Buhari has no certificate. Enough of the ethnic preferences. Buhari does not meet the required minimum qualification to be president. Therefore, INEC should disqualify him.

If Buhari is allowed to get away with this, any person can swear an affidavit and claim non existent qualifications and cite Buhari as a precedent.

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Politics › Re: Buhari’s Self Demystification by sufido123: 4:23am On Jan 01, 2015

No to Buhari! He can't steal my youth and then turn around and steal my adulthood too. He is tired and should retire.

Politics › Re: Nigerians Should Not Vote A Leader Above 70 Years - Peter Obi by sufido123: 4:17am On Jan 01, 2015*

Peter Obi is correct. Buhari is already senile and this is why he claimed the military board has his certificates. He thinks that we are going to believe his fabricated storyline.

Vote GEJ until Buhari becomes younger! Buhari can't steal my youth and then steal my adult years too.

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Politics › Re: Will Muhammadu Buhari Be Nigeria's Next President? - Aljazeera by sufido123: 4:12am On Jan 01, 2015

Buhari's dream of winning will definitely turn to nightmare come February 14, 2015. He stands no chance against GEJ. VOTE GEJ And continue with Goodluck.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 4:01am On Jan 01, 2015

cloudstar:
Proof has two meanings:

1. There's the rigorous meaning in maths that is very difficult to do and rare
2. Then there's the other meaning – beyond reasonable doubt

So, I can't mathematically or scientifically prove that God exist. However, I can provide evidence beyond reasonable doubt that He does. If you are interested, we can get started

How many times have you been asked to provide this evidence? Do so without much ado!

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Politics › Re: REVEALED: Jonathan’s Friends Aiding Buhari -by Suleiman Gaya by sufido123: 3:54am On Jan 01, 2015

It is Buhari that scares the hell out of others with his calls for sharia. Tinubu has not helped matters by making sure that even in the liberal Yoruba enclave, the Muslim hold sway and are mostly in charge of Yorubaland.

Do not blame the messenger blame the message. That Apc flirted with Muslim/Muslim ticket did not even help matters.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 2:09am On Jan 01, 2015

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 1:50am On Jan 01, 2015*

asalimpo:
God is not a physcal being.
Your assumption is flawed and trite. It assumes first,tht anything that is real is physcal? (an unproven/provable assumption). Next,it uses this false base as a yard stick.
Let me ask yo a question,
if life is all physical and without God existing,
then, why hav all ancient societies had a belief in God?

Why do men of all strata and division of the world have znd inclination to worship a higher being? Who made them so

Ancient people were wrong in many things including religion, slavery, world is flat, human sacrifice etc. That majority could be ignorant have been proven time and time again. There was a time majority believed that sicknesses were caused by the devil or evil spirits..Africans still believe this but the rest of the world have moved beyond this. I am not assuming anything, all I need is evidence of God! It is not trite to ask for it.

Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. Why are you so confident that God exists when you have conceded that God can't be proven because he is not physical? How do you then know that he exists besides following the ancient belief?

Even in your Christian doctrine, you have abandoned many teachings because they are absurd viz: being stoned for working on sabbath, for adultery, for not being a virgin on wedding night if you are a woman, wearing clothing made of two different linens, selling your daughter into slavery, drinking poison and playing with snakes to show your faith. Not having sex was required of you. Christ required that you become a eunuch. I can go on and on.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 12:21am On Jan 01, 2015

cloudstar:
sufido123

So, what happens if both your parents were dead - what then?

I am communicating with someone, that is true - there is no standard to suggest or that you are who you are. You could be on one of the Russian space station for all we know. My point is simple - writing on an online forum that over 6.5 billion people have access to doesn't prove who you are. We need more evidence i.e. legal evidence

Remember I asked you - What is the origin of energy, what is energy? Can you show me energy? I am sure you believe in energy and you know it exist - we all do. However, can you show me energy or tell me what energy is? Can you look at it under a microscope?

To that I said - what is the standard to prove or show evidence that He exists? I admitted that I can't mathematically prove God neither can I mathematically prove you ate dinner 5 years ago. So, if you are looking for a mathematical proof - then no - I can't prove God mathematically. However, proof can be showing something beyond reasonable doubt and in such a case - God can be proven.

Dude, I will not even go to the Bible. I want to use a standard that we both agree to; actually that scientist agree to. That is why I asked you what energy was because it's such a common thing but you ignored the question. So again, what evidence do you want?

I am not dismissing Zeus, I am saying the categorization on the Christian God and Zeus (as an example) is flawed because they are totally different in their character, their laws, how they relate, their history. So, they are not the same and it's a big error to claim that you can categorize them as the same. Zeus was created and is a product of two other gods so are nearly all other gods. The Christian God is the 1st un-caused cause; wasn't created and created all things. Again, do the research before you make such claims.

There are people today that claim they are gods - we have a place for them - the mental hospital

You seem not to play by the rules you are setting. I have asked you for the standard of evidence so many times but you keep ignoring me.

I am not discrediting anything - you seem to be running in circles pointing fingers but can't get specific with me

You seem to be the one changing the rules. I asked you for evidence of god's existence but you claimed that you can't mathematically prove the existence of God. I never asked you for the mathematics of god delusion, all I asked is any tangible evidence. You want it to be mathematics of God. I specifically excluded anything outside evidence of God like biology, chemistry, physics, evolution. Let me also add the exclusion of math or any studies beside tangible evidence. Provide me with any evidence of God or just find something else to do.

For the rest of your arguments, you are pulling straws and going in vicious circles. Any attempt to change your cause of action seems to hit a brick wall. I doff my hat to you though for not being insultive like most christians who have no valid arguments.

I am no longer interested in your hypotheticals. If it makes you feel better to say I am in Russian space station or that I am not who I am, then do it. You may also conclude that if my parents are dead, my parentage can't be verified. It won't change anything for me. The what ifs are just attempts in futility.

The fact remains that you have not been able to present a scintilla of evidence of God. I do know that you have a track record of believing in amorphous things. If you believe in Yahweh and his son, you would definitely believe anything. Therefore, I won't be surprised by any of your spurious beliefs.

How specific do you want be to be? I asked for any evidence of God. Do you have it? Yes or no?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 11:13pm On Dec 31, 2014

Femmymata2:
Humans out of curiosity have written holy books(bible,quran,e.t.c) created many Gods allah,jehouah,zeus,sango e.t.c. These God have alot of similarities, they can't talk,act, be visible and all you see and hear is there worshippers telling us how great,good,just,caring there God is. There God except in their various books is completely impotent and unreachable when it comes to reality

You are right on the money!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 10:57pm On Dec 31, 2014*

cloudstar:
sufido123

Interesting article, I will jump in a respond

I believe slyfox5555 was trying to compare how a belief can be true or false. Basically, how one can use logical, historical or even physiological evidence. So, let's use your parents as an example; what proof would you present that they are your parents?

That is very lousy conclusion. How in the world can I verify you are the one I am responding to? Is there a possibility it could be your sister, brother, wife, uncle or a hacker that has taken over your account? Mere communication is no "evidence or proof". No one knows both us to confirm that we are the actual people that communicated on this day and time. Are there any eye witness account to verify this?

Again, slyfox5555 was trying to point out that something is either true or false. The issue here is the verification or proof of God. My question to you would be - are there things you believe in that can't be traced or verified or proved?

The problem with this idea is that 'gods' such as Zeus and Thor are not comparable with the biblical understanding of God. There is a vast distinction between all of the Ancient near eastern gods and the God of the Bible.

This kind of statement ignores that there are different kinds of 'proof/evidence'. "Can you prove that there is a God?". In the mathematical sense no, but proving anything is very difficult. The word proof has two meanings. There's the rigorous meaning in maths that is very difficult to do and rare. But then there's the other meaning – beyond reasonable doubt". That's the kind of 'proof' we can present: arguments to bring someone beyond reasonable doubt

Again, it was an example of belief and comfirming where something is true or not.

Your position seems to be absolute! which if I am correct seems to be flawed. Except you are confirming that you know absolutely everything - then you are claiming that God doesn't exist

You are missing the point by over a mile. The example was to show that we can prove within reasonal doubt that you are a product between two humans. However, I can use the theory of evolution draw conclusion that you are a product of two he-goats . Again, the point was to show that proof is subjective - what you are requiring of proof or evidence is not a standard to prove God.

Let me ask you a question - Can you prove the origin of the following. In otherwords - what is:

1. Energy?
2. Consciouness?

Remember, I am asking what these things are, where did they come from?

To determine my parentage: There is DNA testing

How do you know this is me? You are being fastidious, it does not matter whether is me or my sister or anyone because in this forum we are all anonymous. The bottom line is that you know you are communicating with a human being. Therefore your position is not tenable.

You can't answer a question by posing another question. I am a humanist and you asked me if there is anything that I believe in that cannot be verified. The simple answer is no. I am not superstitious and I believe in things that are verifiable including when you tell me about your God, you have to prove that he/it exists.

That leads me to a response to your assertion that when I said that there is no evidence of God, it means I claimed to know it all. I do not claim to know it all, my claim is that there is no evidence of God and you have not been able to discredit this assertion. I don't even know enough to say there is no God, my position is there is no evidence of his existence and this is a truism.

I would not be debating the physics, biology and chemistry of the world, it will do you and I no good. I do not care what you think about evolution, consciousness or energy. It is a search I am not interested in. Similarly, my interest here only relates to the evidence of God's existence. If you have any verifiable evidence of God, I would be willing to share it with you but please do not tell me the bible is your evidence because it is not.

For your assertion that other gods but Yahweh are false, you are again engaging in a conclusion you have no fact to support. You simply do not know which God is real if at all there is God. If you understand why you dismissed Zeus as God then you would understand why others dismiss Yahweh and his son. Of course you do not understand why you dismiss other gods, you have simply been brainwashed to do so

You were born an atheist and the rest of the dogma you acquired after birth were by accident of birth. I know it is difficult for you to admit that you cannot provide me with any evidence of the existence of God. The rest of your assertions though interesting are nothing but wild goose chases.

If your qwest is to discredit evolution to validate God, I say good luck in that but count me out. To me there is a possibility that both evolution and God dogma are both wrong. However, evolution makes more sense than the God delusion.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 7:20pm On Dec 31, 2014

slyfox5555:
sufido123

Dude, Buddah is not a God. Buddahism doesn't claim Buddah is a god. If you mentioned Islam, or Judaism I will agree with you. Atheism is a belief system in the non-existence of God; you have to "believe" there is no God to be an Atheist.

Evidence? Really? Before we proceed I want to you to be objective, if you are - I will engage. Belief is based on so many things one of which is evidence. Typical example - I believe your parents gave birth to you. I don't believe you are a product of two he goats. Now, we can easily prove whether my belief is true or false. We can take the same approach to prove God.

You can't use the belief that my parents gave birth to me to compare your belief in God. First of all, the fact that my parents gave birth to me is a fact that can be verified in many ways. However, your belief in God cannot be verified Just like tooth fairy cannot be authenticated.

Secondly, there is no evidence of God but there is evidence that I exist because you and I are communicating right now. You cannot have a verifiable communication with God. Finally, you have no choice than to believe that my parents gave birth to me because if you believe that I am a product of two he goats, you would be laughed off by any reasonable person. You may even be considered insane.

Whether Budha is God or not is irrelevant to my argument. Choose any God you like, Zeus, Sango, Allah, Amadioha, balogun, Ogwugwu, Yahweh. The point is that many people believe in different gods and if you choose the wrong God, you would be considered an atheist.

You think that your God is the real God but you have no evidence that you are correct. Chances very from the probability that there are no gods to any or none of the gods people believe in today is the real God. If you happen to believe in Yahweh and it turns out that he is not the real God, then whichever God in existence would deem you an atheist.

I know thinking is hard so you would rather believe than think. However, understanding this hypothesis requires your thinking cap otherwise you would miss the point and compare your belief in God to he goat and my birth parents which is really absurd and insouciant.

There is no difference in getting God wrong and believing in something and getting God wrong and not believing in anything. This is essentially what the moral of my position is. You may choose to believe that I am a product of two he goats if it makes you feel better. However, such belief would be delusional because it is not true. Same with your belief in God

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Politics › Re: SSS Issues “last Warning” To Amaechi, Others Over Comments by sufido123: 8:57am On Dec 31, 2014

Freedom of speech need not be abridged in a free society. Amaechi and his ilk are entitled to their opinion and should not be muzzled. The best way to discredit speech is more speech not censorship.

Freedom of speech should not only apply to the speech we like but also to the ones we don't like.

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Politics › Re: None Of My Daughters Is Married To Ibo by sufido123: 8:36am On Dec 31, 2014

Another APC propaganda debunked

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Politics › Re: 2015: No Basis For Objection Over Buhari's Credentials- INEC by sufido123: 8:30am On Dec 31, 2014

3kay945:
Foot soldiers!
Yes. Riot happened when he lost but that doesn't mean he ordered it. Have you forgotten the society we are concerning rioting after election?
And this is where the C in C comes in to quell it.

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Politics › Re: 2015: No Basis For Objection Over Buhari's Credentials- INEC by sufido123: 8:25am On Dec 31, 2014

shurlermoz:
he asked for proof not speculations, do you have a problem with English?!

You are the one that has difficulty with comprehension. You do not know the difference between speculation and facts.
The facts are that Buhari ordered people killed in 2011
He has threatened more violence if he is not elected in 2015. These are verifiable facts!

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Politics › Re: ‘buhari’s Academic Records Intact’ by sufido123: 8:10am On Dec 31, 2014

Why is it that the issue of Buhari's certificate has dominated the front page lately? If Buhari has the certificates intact, he needs to present it to INEC. The minimum qualification for president is school certificate. Buhari must present it and not tell tall stories.

Discerning minds are tired of Buhari's balderdash and prevarications. GEJ till BUHARI passes GCE!

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Politics › Re: 2015: No Basis For Objection Over Buhari's Credentials- INEC by sufido123: 8:03am On Dec 31, 2014

3kay945:
Ok, bro just give me two damn reasons to prove what you said. Then I shall sing your songs

Only satan would order his foot soldiers to kill their fellow citizens because he lost an election in 2011.
Only satan would state that he will order more killings if he is not elected in 2015.

Need more?

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Politics › Re: 2015: No Basis For Objection Over Buhari's Credentials- INEC by sufido123: 7:46am On Dec 31, 2014

personal59:
Goodluck are for the gamblers dear u need success this time not time for gambling anymore is either we get it right or otherwise

The real gamblers do not have Goodluck. I'll rather have Goodluck than have a man that does not have any certificate. This certificate issue would be a death kneel for Buhari. Mark my word! Buhari has gambled on three previous occasions and lost. He will lose again.

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Politics › Re: 2015: No Basis For Objection Over Buhari's Credentials- INEC by sufido123: 7:36am On Dec 31, 2014

fortunes0215:
We are not saTANists.....
We are #AgentsofChange

SAI BUHARI #GMB2015

Buhari is not an agent of Sa*tan. He is the SA*TAN Nigeria does not need. Your greeting should "Saitan Buhari"

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Politics › Re: 2015: No Basis For Objection Over Buhari's Credentials- INEC by sufido123: 7:28am On Dec 31, 2014

Phillfree:
Point of correction sir, LET YOU SCRUTINIZE IT cos as for me I'm satisfied.

What are you satisfied with? He still has not presented his certificate to INEC read the article again.

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Politics › Re: 2015: No Basis For Objection Over Buhari's Credentials- INEC by sufido123: 7:12am On Dec 31, 2014

fortunes0215:
In other news....saTANists can STFU.

SAI BUHARI #GMB2015

Even you and Buhari are TANists too. You are members of BuharisTAN. Therefore be aware that Buhari has passed the touch to GEJ. Even with quota system Buhari has no certificate to present to anyone, this is a shame.

He is also the only Nigerian that gave his original certificates to his employer. This whole story does not pass the smell test.

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Politics › Re: 2015: No Basis For Objection Over Buhari's Credentials- INEC by sufido123: 7:02am On Dec 31, 2014*

Buhari and INEC need to present Buhari's quota induced certificate in Islamic/almajiri studies let us scrutinize it. It does not matter any way Buhari's albatross is semi illiteracy and parochialism. Buhari can never win any election in Nigeria.

INEC still does not have copy of the certificates so the headline is deceptive. INEC only has Buhari's affidavit still.

Vote GEJ and continue with Goodluck.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Obsession Of Atheists With The "Christian God" by sufido123: 12:40am On Dec 31, 2014

italo:
I am not trying to prove with the Bible that God exists. You are confused.

The only proof that I offer you is that you spend your life talking about God.

You say he is evil.

A non existent thing like djxjfjgjcydc cannot be evil.

How do you know that I spend my life talking about God? You do not know me. For the record, Yahweh is the last thing I think about because he is omni impotent. I just wanted to show you how fallacious your christian doctrines are.

It has been an interesting discussion. You are very recalcitrant and refused to provide me any evidence of God. If you have any evidence contact me. I would be willing to listen to you then. For now good bye.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Obsession Of Atheists With The "Christian God" by sufido123: 12:27am On Dec 31, 2014

italo:
Make up your mind.

Does God exist or not?

Is the Bible true or erroneous?

We have reached that point that christians get to. This is where they point to the bible and say God exists because the bible says so. This for me is too circular to proceed further

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Obsession Of Atheists With The "Christian God" by sufido123: 12:16am On Dec 31, 2014

italo:
Wrong. The Bible says God made us so even if he took our lives for offences he warned us about, it is just.

It is not an atrocity if you destroy what you made to serve you but has become counter-produvtive.

God never made you. Your mom are dad copulated and biological materials exchanged. The product is therefore you. If a DNA analysis is done, it will show the components of your mom and dad and not that of Yahweh.

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