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i will be two sided on yarima's case,
1.    Islamically he as done nothing wrong marrying a girl of that age. you christain must understand one thing marrying a girl of that age does not mean immediately he will start sleeping with her because they can wait until she will be ripe enough to carry pregnancy. Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) also do the same he waited for some time before sleeping with Aisha (RTA).

2. Where Yarima is wrong is his extravaganzing paying $100000 for dowry, that amount is too much, i beleive one of his kinsmen or even a very close raletive his poor and in desperate need of money why can't he help such people instead of investing in a mirage (deceptiive) project.

3.  pls you posters, especially christains, why is it that whenever a muslim commit a crime though that of yarima is not a crime you will not attack him personally rather you will start abusing and condeming his or her religion. why is it that when that popular human eater Cliford Orji commit  inhumane crime, you never connect him to christainity. pls it is enough.

Thanks may Allah strengthen us, it is a nice piece, keep it up shun the bad poster.

U and your innovative religion need reformation not muslim and islam,to you American has done nothing wrong sending thousands of soldier to Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestian, etc all in the name of Terrorism,if you are historically blinded, Christianity has commited the highest blood shed in the history of man.

Don't mind that religion called chirstianity, they always give human attribute to God, is he like us whose after long working hour we need to rest, i just pray it wont be too late when the truth will come.

You christians what is wrong if he marrying a girl of his wish, are you people still in dark, who told you that medically a 13yr old girl can not conceive and born a child.

Thanks @ s@mi it is a job well done try to tell them why christianity is the most confusing religion on earth, and her follow her all in bondage and them always talk of salvation.

When Barcelona want to meet Man U in the Champions League Q final so here is a conversation between the 2 fans.

Barca Fan: Have you heard that Wayne Rooney is injured and he wont play today

Man U Fan: No it is not possible because i used him while i was play station yesterday

M= Muslim
C= Christian
C. I am sure of my own belief as a Christian but I would also like to know more about both
religions. I sometimes feel ridiculed as a Christian after reading books written by Muslims.
M. Did it affect you in your religious life?
C. Yes. I am not going to Church as regularly as before. I have been secretly reading
books written by Muslims. I have asked several Muslims to explain matters that were not
clear to me, but have not yet been satisfied. I am looking for a belief that I can rely on, that
can give me peace of mind, that is scientifically acceptable, and one that I don't have to
believe in blindly.
M. I appreciate your sentiments. However, as we are not allowed to force people to
become Muslim, I want to be sure that you are really interested in learning the truth before I
continue.
C. You mean that I can believe what I want and that nobody can force me to believe in
something else?
M. Yes, for the Qur'an says that there is no compulsion in religion.
C. Then why are Muslims calling other people to accept Islam?
M. As Christians ask the Jews to accept Jesus as the Messiah, we Muslims ask the
Christians, as well as Jews and all mankind, to accept Muhammad as the seal of the
prophets. Our Prophet Muhammad said: "Convey my message, even one ayah (verse of the
Holy Qur'an)."
Also, Isaiah mentioned in chapter 21:13: "The burden upon Arabia," which means the
responsibility of the Muslim Arabs, to spread Islam. Isaiah mentioned this after he saw in a
vision a chariot of asses and a chariot of camels (21:7): "And he saw a chariot with a couple
of horsemen, a chariot of asses, and a chariot of camels; and he hearkened diligently with
much heed."
The chariot of asses turned out t
M. Yes, if you are successful in this world, it doesn't mean that you will be successful in
the hereafter. The hereafter is much better and more lasting than this life. People are now
becoming more materialistic and secular. Let's meet some more and discuss the differences
frankly and without prejudice. Islam is based on reason, and you should not just accept it.
Even your Bible says: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (I Thessalonians
5:21).
C. You mentioned just now a "chariot of camels" from Isaiah and drew the conclusion that
it was Muhammad. Is he then prophesied in the Bible?
M. Sure.
C. In the Old or New Testament?
M. In both. But you cannot recognize him in the Bible as long as you don't believe in the
oneness of God. As long as you still believe ~n the Trinity, the divinity of Jesus, the divine
son ship of Jesus, and the doctrines of Original Sin and Atonement. All of these were made
by men. Jesus prophesied that people would worship him uselessly and believe in
doctrines made by men: "But in vain they do worship me teaching for doctrines the
commandments of men" (Matthew 15:9).
The Holy Bible
M. Are you sure that the Bible is holy?
C. Yes, I am very sure about it, for it is God's Word.
M. Read what Luke said about his recording in 1:2-3.
C. "Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses,
and ministers of the word. It seemed good to me also, having held perfect understanding of
all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus."
M. If Luke had said that he himself was not an eyewitness and the knowledge he gathered
was from eyewitnesses and not as words inspired by God, would you still believe that the
Bible is God's word?
C. Maybe only this part is not God's word.
M. History has shown that the Bible has been changed. The Revised Standard Version
(1952 and 1971), The New American Standard Bible and The New World Translation have
expunged certain verses that are found in The King James Version. The Reader's Digest
has reduced the Old Testament by 50 percent and the New Testament by about 25 percent.
Some years ago Christian theologians wanted to "desex" the Bible. Does "holy" mean that
M. If a holy book contains conflicting verses, do you still consider it holy? -
C. Of course not, because a holy scripture is a revelation from God. Therefore, it should be
impossible that mistakes or conflicting verses could be found in it.
M. Then it's not holy.
C. Right. In that case, its holiness disappears.
M. If so, you can't trust it one hundred percent. What could be the causes of such
mistakes?
C. It could be a mistake in the recording or deliberate changes by scribes, such as deletion
or addition in it.
M. If there are conflicting verses in the Bible, do you still consider it holy?
C. I believe that the Bible is holy, since I see no conflicting verses
M. There are many conflicting verses in it.
C. In the Old or New Testament?
M. In both Testaments. These are some of them:

II Samuel 8:4
And David took from him a thousand chariots and seven hundred horsemen, and
twenty thousand footmen ,
I Chronicles 18:4
And David took from him a thousand chariots and seven thousand horsemen, and
twenty thousand footmen ,
Q. Seven hundred or seven thousand?
II Samuel 8:9-10
When Toi, king of Hamath, heard that David had smitten all the host of Hadadezer,
then Toi sent Joram, his son, unto King David to salute him and to bless him,
because he had fought against Hadadezer and had smitten him, for Hadadezer had
wars with Toil. And Joram took with him vessels of silver, and vessels of gold,
and vessels of brass.
I Chronicles 18:9-10
Now when Tou, king of Hamath, heard how David had smitten

The Doctrine of the Trinity
M. Do you still believe in the Trinity?
C. It is said in the First Epistle of John 5:7-8: "For there are three that bear record in
heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And there are
three that bear witness in earth: the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and these three
agree in one."
M. That is in The King James Version, authorized in 1611, and formed the strongest
evidence for the doctrine of the Trinity. But now this part, "the Father, the Word, and the
Holy Ghost: and these three are one," has been expunged in The Revised Standard Version
of 1952 and 1971 and in many other Bibles, as it was a gloss that had encroached on the
Greek text.
I John 5:7-8 in The New American Standard Bible says: "And it is the Spirit who bears
witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit and the
water, and the blood, and the three are in agreement." Also, in The New World Translation
of the Holy Scriptures, used by the Jehovah's Witnesses, you will find: "For there are
three witness bearers: the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are in
agreement." I can understand if you don't know that this important part has been removed,
but I wonder why many ministers and preachers are not aware of this.
The Trinity is not biblical. The word "Trinity" is not even in the Bible or Bible dictionaries.
It was never taught or mentioned by Jesus. There is no basis or proof in the Bible for its
acceptance.
C. But in Matthew 28: 19 we still find: ", baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of
the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." This part has not been removed yet. Is this not a proof of
the Trinity?
M. No. If three persons are sitting or eating together, does it mean that they form one
person? No. The formulation of the Trinity by Athanasius, an Egyptian deacon from
Alexandria, was accepted by the Council of Nicaea in 325

the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not
afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good."
As Christianity deviated far from the original teachings of Jesus, Allah sent His last
prophet, Muhammad, as a revivalist to undo changes made by man: the Roman Julian
calendar was introduced as the Christian era; Pork was allowed; circumcision was
abolished by Paul (Galatians 5:2~: "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised,
Christ shall profit you nothing."
The Qur'an warns in Surah 5:73: Surely they are disbelievers, those who said: 'Allah is
one of the three in a Trinity.' But there is none who has the right to be worshipped but one
God (Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily a painful torment will befall
the disbelievers among them. Do you still believe in the Trinity, which was never taught by
Jesus?
C. But God and Jesus are one (John 14: 11): "Believe me that I am in the Father, and the
Father in me."
M. Read John 17:21.
C. "That they [the disciples] all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that
they may also be one in us , "
M. It is clear here that God and Jesus are one, and that the disciples are one in Jesus and
God. If Jesus is God because he is in God, why are the disciples then not God, as they are
like Jesus, who is in God? If God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost form one unit—the
Trinity—with the disciples included they should form a fifteen-unit God.
C. But Jesus is God according to John 14:9: ", he that hath seen me hath seen the
Father."
M. Look at what comes before and after: (John 14:: "Philip saith unto him: 'Lord, show
us the Father, and it aufficeth us."' (John 14:9): "Jesus saith unto him: 'Have I been so
long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hast
seen the Father; and how sayest thou then: Shew us the Father?"'
Jesus asked Philip how to show God to the disciples, which is impossible. You should
believe in God by admiring His creation: the sun, the moon, all creation, and Jesus, who
was created by God. He said in John 4:24: "God is a Spirit" and in John 5:37: "Ye have
neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape." How can you see a spirit? What
they saw was Jesus, not God. Paul said in I Timothy 6: 16: ", whom no man hath seen,
nor can see." So what you see is not God. The Qur'an says in Surah 5:103: "Vision
comprehends Him not, but He comprehends (all) vision. He is the Subtle, the Aware."
C. It is hard to deny what has been taught to us since childhood

C. "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way: When as his mother Mary was
espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy
Ghost."
M. Compare this with Luke 1:26-27.
C. "And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee,
named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of
David; and the virgin's name was Mary."
M. In Jesus' miraculous birth Matthew mentioned the Holy Ghost and Luke mentioned the
angel Gabriel. What is the Holy Ghost?
C. That being the case, the Holy Ghost is the angel Gabriel.
M. Do you still believe in the Trinity now?
C. Then God is God and the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel, and Jesus
is ,
M. Let me help you: Jesus is a prophet, the son of Mary.
C. How can you solve what we call a divine mystery?
M. We use the Qur'an as the standard to correct man-made changes in previously revealed
scriptures. If you believe in One God, and Jesus as a prophet, why don't you go one step
further and accept Muhammad as the last messenger? Recite after me the shahadah or
witness (testimony), first in English and then in Arabic.
C. I bear witness that there is no deity except Allah, Who has no partner, and Muhammad
is His servant and messenger. Ashhadu an la illaha illa Allahu wahdahu la sharikah lahu wa
ashhadu anna Muhammadan abdahu wa rasuluhu.
But what about my great- grandparents? I would like to stay with them. They were all
Christians.
M. Abraham left his parents and great-grandparents when the truth— Islam—was revealed
to him. Everyone is responsible for himself. Maybe the truth hadn't come to your ancestors
as clearly as it has to you. The Qur'an says in Surah 17:15: Whoever goes right, then, he
goes right only for his own soul's benefit. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray
only to his own loss. No laden soul can bear another's load. And We never punish until
We have sent an apostle (to give warnings). The Truth has come to you and it is up to you.
C. Can I accept both Islam and Christianity?
M. There is no force in religion. You can do
and Allah is ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. You may agree with me if we discuss
some other issues.
C. Should we recite a confession (shahadah) before we are fully committed?
M. As soon as you reach adulthood and you are mentally competent, you are then
committed whether you recite the shahadah or not. Allah created this world for a purpose.
He has supplied you with the organs to differentiate between right and wrong. He has sent
many prophets as warners. We are created to worship Him and to compete with each other
in good deeds in this world.
Surah 3:191: , Our Lord! You have not created [all] this without purpose, Glory to You!
, "
Surah 90:8-10: Have We not made for him [mankind] a pair of eyes? And a tongue and a
pair of lips? And shown him the two ways [good and evil]?
Surah 51:56: And I created not the jinns and mankind except they should worship Me
[alone]. (Every deed for the pleasure of Allah is worship.)
Surah 18:7: Verily! We have made that which is on earth as an adornment for it [the earth]
in order that We may test them [mankind] as to which of them is better in deeds.

what is wrong with a lot of poster on this forum, you guys always attach everything to religion, he has done bad accepted then must you criticize his religion.

you slowpoke how there you talk to our noble prophet like. philosophers and world leading christian leader have commented him their is one book call "the list of 100 most successful men in the world" Muhammad is rank as number one. this book is written by a christian and someone that is more intelligent than you. you better watch what you say so that the wrath of God will not descend on you

Note:

M=Muslim
C= Christian

C. Why have there been in the last decade many discussions held between Christians and Muslims about their beliefs?

M. I think because we both have several things in common. We believe in the One Creator Who sent many Prophets and in Jesus as the Messiah as well as the Word of God who was denied by the Jews. Our Holy Qur'an mentions in Surah 3:45: [Remember] when the angels said: 'O Mary! Verily Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word from Him, his name will be Messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and in the hereafter, and of those who are near to Allah, ' Dialogues have been held everywhere in Europe, Canada, the United States, and Australia. Even the Vatican has participated: discussions were held between Vatican theologians and Egyptian Muslim scholars in Rome in 1970 and in Cairo in 1974 and 1978. Another series of discussions between Vatican theologians and Saudi Arabian Muslim scholars was held in Rome in 1974. Muslims have also been invited by many churches to present Islam.

C. If Christianity is nearly two thousand years old and Islam more than fourteen hundred years old, why were these discussions not held centuries ago?

M. For the last three to four centuries, many Asian and African countries that had been ruled by Muslims were colonized by Britain France, Holland, Belgium, Spain, and Portugal. Many Christian missionary and religious colonists tried to convert as many
Muslims as they could by whatever means they had: giving medical treatment clothes, food, and jobs to the poor. However, only a few converted. A small part of the elite was
converted to Christianity because of its belief that Christianity brought civilization and
progress. They adopted this mistaken idea because they believed that western-style
progress was attained after the separation of church and state in Europe.
After the Second World War, many Muslims from Asian and African countries emigrated
to the West as workers and professionals. This brought them into much closer contact with
Christians. Also, students were active in introducing Islam.

C. Do you see other reasons why many dialogues are held nowadays even by their
respective missions?

M. I think the gap between both is becoming smaller as each is more tolerant, although
both are still competing for converts. I still remember my Christian teacher, who used to
say: "Muhammad the imposter, the dreamer, the epileptic." You now find fewer writers
depicting Islam in such a manner.

The Holy Bible

M. Are you sure that the Bible is holy?
C. Yes, I am very sure about it, for it is God's Word.
M. Read what Luke said about his recording in 1:2-3.
C. "Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses,
and ministers of the word. It seemed good to me also, having held perfect understanding of
all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus."
M. If Luke had said that he himself was not an eyewitness and the knowledge he gathered
was from eyewitnesses and not as words inspired by God, would you still believe that the
Bible is God's word?
C. Maybe only this part is not God's word.
M. History has shown that the Bible has been changed. The Revised Standard Version
(1952 and 1971), The New American Standard Bible and The New World Translation have
expunged certain verses that are found in The King James Version. The Reader's Digest
has reduced the Old Testament by 50 percent and the New Testament by about 25 percent.
Some years ago Christian theologians wanted to "desex" the Bible. Does "holy" mean that
the Bible

man y such wrong impression, is America right when it started killing the Afghanistan, Birom people in plateau have also done nothing when htey were killing the Hausa Fulani's, on that verse of the Quran that says muslim should kill the unbeleiver, you misinterpret it that verse was revealed when prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was on the battle field. pls stop spreading false things about Islam. we are no TERRORISTS.