GeneralDae:

They could not verify it because they didn't have the original. They don't have the original of that one because they don't keep certificates if the student picks them up. Always put things in their context.

There were other desprecancies in the certificate like the year 18 something was missing and others

GeneralDae:

The exhibits were those of students whose graduation year was actually 1998 and 1999. Tinubu's own was a replacement certificate.

The registrar stated that they could not verify if the INEC certificate was authentic. What else do you need?

If the issuing body is saying that they cannot verify the Authenticity of the document what does that mean? Your own certificate?

GeneralDae:

I know what you think is there that supports your argument. But you have to read everything again from beginning.

The question in page 40 and 41 about CSU seeing a similar INEC certificate issued in 1979 is rightly no because Tinubu did not get his replacement certificate in 1979. Go and read everything again.

If the diploma was issued in 1999 it ought to have carried 1999 like the exhibits but it was carrying 1979.

GeneralDae:

I know what you think is there that supports your argument. But you have to read everything again from beginning.

The question in page 40 and 41 about CSU seeing a similar INEC certificate issued in 1979 is rightly no because Tinubu did not get his replacement certificate in 1979. Go and read everything again.

Give me a link to the complete BBC report

GeneralDae:

I have read it.

Good

plaindealer:




...but you are here arguing blindly in a thread about the same BBC report that you haven't read.?

Does this make sense at all?

Who swear for you people?

I am interested in the deposition and not BBC. BBC is not the issuing authority of the document

GeneralDae:

The deposition is enough. If you've read the deposition, you don't need the BBC report.

If you understand the deposition you can't say that CSU disowned the INEC certificate as not coming from them.

Go and read pages 40 and 41

GeneralDae:

Let's forget this third party vendor argument for now. But you cannot prove to me that Tinubu forged his certificate. Also, I am convinced you didn't read the deposition and the BBC article. You just took the BBC headline only. The article explains why there's no evidence of a forged certificate.

I have read the deposition from cover to cover, not the BBC report though

plaindealer:



Oya, keep crying, don't stop abeg..

This news is contrary to the deposition.

GeneralDae:

There's no evidence to show Tinubu forged his certificate. The evidence from the deposition and as pointed out also by the BBC shows that he likely got replacement certificate in 1999 which is what he submitted to INEC.

The CSU registrar dismissed the INEC certificate under oath

plaindealer:



Capital YES.

It's up to you to source your diploma from anywhere even if the school contracts with official vendors, you still don't have to go through them, the choice is yours.

Certificates are not legal documents so they are virtually meaningless.

How do you even forge meaningless papers that are not even legal documents?

You people are never serious, you just love to swim butterflies in your own ignorance and flawed perceptions about the places you know nothing about.

You are a liar.

God help Nigeria with the new low you people want Nigeria to descend to just becauseof one man that will never do anything right in his life.

Keep deceiving yourself and other gullible ones.

Even the CSU described those vendors as online fraudsters that print certificates for folks. The registrar confirmed that they are available on Google

plaindealer:



Na me this joker won troll.

You no fit...go and sit down or keep peddling your ignorant rubbish.

Prove me wrong or you go and siddon

PureFace1:


It is you people that have decided to be close minded and Ignorant.

There are different ways of doing things in different parts of the world, it is not one shoes fit all. What is possible in Nigeria may not be possible in China or Japan and vice versa.

They say USA don't attach much important to Certificate but transcript and records and the school said it allow student to get replacement certificate through third party vendor outside but many Nigerians are stubborn and close minded.

If the school allowed it who are you guys to say otherwise and say it must be your way ? You guys are all delusional as long as the school didn't deny him Atiku is just wasting his time.

Are you allowed to get the replacement from third party vendors without the knowledge of the school which is the issuing body?

plaindealer:



Look at this joker trying to spin my post, sending you to outside vendors means you can print your replacements from outside vendors, not any specific vendor even though some schools have official vendors.

CSU stated in a court of law that the certificates are almost meaningless papers, they are ceremonial papers so of what relevance are meaningful ceremonial papers that mean nothing at the end of the day?

Dude, that argument is lame, even if Tinubu wrote with his hand on toilet paper that he graduated, it is legit because he indeed graduated and was awarded a certificate and a certified copy.


All the silly noise about forged certificates is just pointless, ignorant, and utterly irrelevant.

Say he did nit graduate then I'll take you seriously.]

You are still not being honest. Whether he graduated or not never gave him the rights to create a certificate for himself.

Even the USA will not accept this argument. If he wanted a replacement he should simply have approached the CSU.

He knew he was contesting a Nigerian election not American and even the Americans won't accept this for the highest office of the land.

plaindealer:


Village comedian.'

Venture out of your village before making silly claims on the internet.

Prove me wrong.

plaindealer:


This was asserted under oath in a court of law that he graduated and was awarded authentic and valid diplomas, but this fraudulent joker still want us to belive that he was not awarded any certificate because he did not pay school fees.

This is a new angle..

Is there a place in your village where you people manufacture your own tales and ignorant narratives?

You, people, cannot be this mentally fraudulent and despicable lying machines.

This document you uploaded was also trashed in the deposition and clarified by the Registrar. It is not the way you mean it. Check pages 91 - 97 of the transcript.

It was addressed towards the ending parts of the deposition

I never said Tinubu did not pay fees, I was trying to make a point

plaindealer:


Or do you mean when schools like CSU send[b] their students to vendors or outside sources[/b] for their replacement certificates, it means they are asking the students to go and forge their certificates?

Because US universities including CSU allow their students to source their replacements from vendors or even Oluwole in Nigeria because it's a meaningless ceremonial paper, they don't care where you get it from.

Gbam! We are saying the same thing from what you have written yourself. Let's even assume CSU makes use of third party vendors even though they never said so in the deposition, it is the school that will send the student to the vendor.

No one can just walk to the vendor and demand for a certificate to be printed just like that. It does not happen anywhere in this world and you know it.

Now CSU never sent Tinubu to any vendor, so, the conclusion is that Tinubu fabricated the certificate he submitted to INEC by himself. That is FORGERY established

plaindealer:


UNILAG functions under the Nigerian system of education, norms, and policies but we are talking about a US institution with different systems, norms and policies.

US schools allow you to reprint from vendors and UNILAG and other Nigerian institutions don't.

There's no sensible leg for your illogical and meaningless comparison

You are deceiving yourself.

The CSU themselves stated in the deposition that they can withhold a student's certificate if the student had not completed payment. Why would they do that? It is because they know that if you want that certificate, you must come to them.

No university anywhere in the world including in the USA allows people to open shop and start printing certificates for anyone that comes knocking.

Even in the USA, a vendor CANNOT print a certificate for anyone without authorisation from the school. The school MUST be involved

plaindealer:


The same meaningless, ignorant and unintelligent rubbish.

You are deceiving yourself.

The CSU themselves stated in the deposition that they can withhold a student's certificate if the student had not completed payment. Why would they do that? It is because they know that if you want that certificate, you must come to them.

No university anywhere in the world including in the USA allows people to open shop and start printing certificates for anyone that comes knocking.

plaindealer:


Your own opinion, not fact, besides, CSU and US universities care less what you print on Paper, they are ceremonial perpers which means nothing, all they care about are the school transcripts which you cannot say are forged.

Even if he wrote what he sent to INCE on toilet paper without the school's knowledge, it means nothing as long as he duly graduated and the school as far as we know claimed he graduated with proof in a court of law.




This is your own fabricated opinion and self-imposed headache, you don't need any school authorization to reprint your own legally earned certificates with signatures, vendors print certificates every second of the day all over the place with signatures.

Or do you mean when schools like CSU send their students to vendors or outside sources for their replacement certificates, it means they are asking the students to go and forge their certificates?

[b][/b]

Because US universities including CSU allow their students to source their replacements from vendors or even Oluwole in Nigeria because it's a meaningless ceremonial paper, they don't care where you get it from.


Again, stop acting as if it's by force to sound ignorant and uneducated.

You cannot forge what you earned legitimately it's impossible and this is even common sense, but you people act as if God skips the parts of your brains with common sense.

You are a mischievous person.

Chicago State University NEVER endorsed printing of their certificates by third party vendors.

The way you guys churn out the offsite narrative it's like anyone can just go to the offsite location and ask for a certificate to be printed for him and it will be done. Who does that? No university anywhere on the planet does that. If that were the case then I could as well approach the offsite location and ask them to print a certificate for me and they will just print. That is madness and that is not how it works.

The intrinsic matter here is that it is the school that will get the offsite location to print a replacement certtificate AFTER receiving a request from the student. Now the same school have said that they have NEVER received any replacement request from Tinubu. The only request they received was the Subpoena at the behest of Enahoro Ebah.

If the school is not aware of Tinubu's replacement request then how did he get the certificate printed? Who printed it for him without him completing the request form of the school? The simple conclusion is that he decided to create one, or print one, or forge one by himself.

Amy printing of certificate done without the knowledge or consent of the school is forgery. Simple.

Your understanding and definition of OFFSITE location is misleading and deceptive and it is deliberate.

Stop deceiving people and stop deceiving yourself

So if you graduated from UNILAG and you lose your certificate, instead of approaching UNILAG for a replacement, you can design one for yourself since you graduated from the school?

Is this now the new low they want to sink Nigeria into?

plaindealer:



Where is the sense in this rubbish?

How do you forge what is yours and what you legally and convincingly earned?

Was it forged to say he earned a degree that he did not earn?

How was it forged?

In what way?

What did he put on the INEC certificate that was forged?

You people just act as if it's by force not to have sense or to be mentally shallow and unintelligent.

You forge a document when you print it without the knowledge of the issuing body.

Who authorised him to use those signatures without the School's knowledge?

Why did he not approach the school for a replacement since he graduated from there instead of designing one for himself?

So if you graduated from UNILAG and you lose your certificate, instead of approaching UNILAG for a replacement, you can design one for yourself since you graduated from the school?

Is this how low you want Nigeria to sink just because of one man?

Baddosqqi:


[s]You will not see the end of this month! Tell your family members that you don use your mouth to cut your life short[/s].

Hopeless vagabond son of a w.hore and mad village witch. Fire consume you cursed tree-jumping monkey

You small. You think you can just bully anyone anyhow? You don't know who you're dealing with. By the time I am done with you, na body go tell you. Eediot ape

Baddosqqi:


Will you shut that your nonsense stinking mouth up!!! Where is the new notes? Who do you see with it? Is it at the bank? No! Is it at the POS? NO! Is it at the ATM? NO! Do you have network to transfer? Hell no!!! Just shut that crap you call mouth up!

May fire consume you wortless beast of burden sired by mad village monkeys. Hopeless bastard

Jack500:


You should go and hang yourself, hopeless pig

Go and hang the cursed baboon that sired you because he could not afford ordinary N50 condom.

Jack500:



Your must be a mad monkey.

Go and kill yourself bastard Ape sired by mad village monkeys you call parents.

Jack500:



Your father must be very stupid. Monkey

Satan destroy the useless village witch that gave birth to a cursed animal like you

Jack500:



Just shut up, people should deposit the old notes, where are the new notes to replace them or we shouldn't spend again?

You must be very stupid. Eediot ape.

kokoA:
That's the work of security agents. If you say people are hoarding cash to buy votes then go in search of locations where these monies are. Why suffer me that have no business with politicians?

Valid point

kokoA:
If this is true then this CBN governor is more senseless than I thought.. If you can't print enough of the new notes then allow the new and old run side by side.. Ah! We can't be paying for his inefficiency.

No way. No vote buying

seunmsg:
Dem still dey play. They will recirculate all the old notes till election is over. Emefiele and his gang of evil doers have been defeated.

Shut up

Baddosqqi:
That's what's up!!!! Lock it up! Until the Supreme Court looses the battle with FG.

You cannot I repeat you cannot just wake up and not think of ordinary Nigerians before implementing a policy as sensitive as this! That's gospel!

Kano has been known for a city with cash at home since in the 70s... And so are many northerners. How would just want to turn them into poor men overnight? This policy will cause war if care is not taken.

Which overnight are you talking about? Government has been shouting since last year asking people to take their old notes to the bank so why have some people refused to do so ?