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AbdH: Jazakumullahu khair brothers. Do not relent in passing the message but also, don't feel disappointed when you meet a brickwall with your co-debaters. It can be tiring answering the same repeated questions for the whole length of a 30 page thread just because your quizzers refuse to open their eyes and their hearts to the obvious truth.
Remember that only Allah can change the hearts of men.....only if they would open it.

lanrexlan: Let me point out your ignorance of quoting out of context.Consider this
Mathew
10:34-35 Jesus Christ (pbuh) said "Don't think
that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not
come to bring peace but by the sword. For I
have come to set a man against his father, a
daughter against her mother and a daughter
in-law." Now, if I say Jesus came to spread
violence and you should fight against your
father,son, mother etc, it is out of context. In
context he said, For the truth against
falsehood even if you have fought against
your parents and everyone. It is a fight btw
truth and falsehood.And this is the same
thing Quran says in Surah Nisa 4:135 "O you
who believe! stand out firmly for justice as
witnesses to God even as against yourselves
or your parents or your kin, and whether it
be against rich or poor; for God can best
protect both. Follow not the lusts of your
hearts or decline to do justice, Verily God is
well acquainted with all that you do". Also in
Luke 9:27 Jesus Christ (pbuh) said "I came to
send fire on earth, and how I wish it were
already kindled". The same thing in Luke
22:36 "And he that hath no sword, let him sell
his garment and buy one.I should now conclude jesus(pbuh)also preached terrorism by saying who doesn't have a sword should sell his garments to buy one? It's out of context,let's quote verses in context," Similarly in old
testament, Exodus 34:11-14, Numbers 31:1-8
and Numbers 33:50-56. This is the effect of
quotation out of context...
Peace brother.

alexis: Ah - you forgot OFFENSIVE Jihad. The ones that muslims like Boko Haram and Ansaru are using. How did Islam spread to Nigeria - did Usman Dan Fodio preach Islam or forced it down everyone neck

Mintayo: A day and night of fighting on the frontier is better than a month of fasting and prayers.
Swords are the keys to paradise.
He who draws his sword in the path of allah has sworn allegiance to allah.
The unbeliever and the one who kills him will never meet in hell.
Allah sent me as a mercy and a portent; he did not send me as a trader or as a cultivator.the worst community on the day of ressurection are the traders and the cultivators except those (of them) who are niggardly with their religion.
GO IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND IN ALLAH AND IN THE RELIGION OF THE PROPHET OF ALLAH! DON NOT KILL THE VERY OLD,THE INFANT THE CHILD OR THE WOMAN. BRING ALL THE BOOTY(ABOVE MENTIONED),HOLDING BACK NO PART OF IT. MAINTAIN ORDER AND DO GOOD,FOR ALLAH LOVES THOSE WHO DO GOOD.
IF YOU FIND 'the tithe collector', kill him.
Expel the christain and the Jews from the arabian peninsula...

(hadith of kanz Al-Muttaqi, Vol. II, pp 252-286).

What did i do? Those are not my words now!

Shalom.

Mintayo: yes now,we all know that,Allah is one-i am not even disputing that!
And i am sure ur Allah is not equal to the ALMIGHTY GOD OF THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK(JEWS AND CHRISTAINS),because he hates them so much that He said his prophet should kill them;except there is another allah!

And dear, check the previous post,i have given a simple illustration(given to me by a muslim-convert) and definition of the Trinity...so don't derail from what we are saying...bcus i v learnt so much from this thread...LOL

Shalom.

Mintayo: looooool...i cnt just help but laugh,it is like you ppl like the Bible so much-you use it to validate the quran and ur prophet and you also condemn it(that is very funny)-so much more for a lost 'injil'...looool.
Concerning those verses,why not read(since you are already a Bible teacher) the whole chapter and hear JESUS response...guy you make me laugh...i wonder what mohammed would have said if he were to be the one in Jesus shoes...(i am jus curious ni o)

shalom.

lanrexlan: You see mister 'copy and paste',there's nothing like surah Ba'rat in the quran,i explained JIHAD means to strive and struggle.Prophet muhammed(pbuh)'s grandpa was a disbeliever and died as one,why didn't muhammed(pbuh)killed him if JIHAD means holy fighting? He preached about islam to his grandpa till his death and his grandpa denied him.The same to abu talib and abu jahl,they never accepted and islam and muhammed(pbuh)never kill them,I have explained the surah you quoted...Peace

tintingz: [size=18pt]SLAVERY IS AUTHORIZED IN THE BIBLE BY THE BIBLE GOD!!![/size]

Leviticus 25:44-46
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way".

Exodus 21:2-6
"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever".

Exodus 21:7-11
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment".


Exodus 21:20-21
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property".

Ephesians 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ".

1 Timothy 6:1-2
"Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them".

Luke 12:47-48
"The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."

alexis: Can't you give any rational explanation of your claims? Aren't you suppose to be a student of the Quran? Do you read it at all? Why are you ALWAYS agreeing with what other people are saying without contributing any references. FELA described you perfectly - Mr. Follow follow follow foooolllow .

lanrexlan: Brother,when ALLAH told we muslims to believe in all scriptures,it was injeel and torah.Nowhere in the quran is the word 'bible' mentioned,the word 'injeel' means 'good news'.We believed everything jesus(pbuh)preached was the truth and from ALLAH,but today's bible isn't the word of God,it may contain a remnants.See what one of your pastor of the highest eminence said;
Dr. W. Graham Scroggie of the Moody Bible Institude,Chicago,one of the most prestigious Christian Evangelical Mission in the world,answering the question —"Is the Bible the Word of God?"(also the title of his book)under the heading:IT IS HUMAN, YET DIVINE.He says on page 17: "Yes, the Bible is human,though some out of zeal which is not according to knowledge,have denied this.Those books have passed through the minds of men,are written in the language of men,were penned by the hands of men, and bear in their style the characteristics of men.Another erudite Christian scholar, Kenneth Cragg,the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem,says on page 277 of his book,"The Call of the Minaret": "Not so the New Testament.There is condensation and editing;there is choice,reproduction and witness.The Gospels have come through the mind of the Church behind the authors. They represent experience and history.If words have any meaning,do we need to add another word of comment to prove our case? No! But the professional propagandists after letting the cat out of the bag,still have the face to try to make their readers believe that they have proved beyond the shadow of any doubt that the Bible is the "irrefragable Word of God." Their semantic gymnastics —equivocating, and playing with words — is amazing!
That's I said if we muslims found somethings in the bible that's in line with the 100% GOD's word(the quran),then we accept as the remnants of GOD's word in the so-called bible,if it contradicts we reject and if it neither in line nor contradicts-won't accept nor decline and ALLAH knows best.

alexis: I don't think Mohammed read 2 sentences of the New Testament. As a result, I can't bow to his denial of the deity of Jesus Christ. That been said, it changes nothing. No one is forcing you to believe it

Mintayo: I think Alexis gave a wonderful definition of who you are-follow-follow!
And until you pple stop listening to the 'lies' ur ogas at the top tell u abt christainity,i believe you still have a long way to go-guy put up a thinking-cap and think for yourself-i believ you are a man!
I have seen those bible passages being recycled by ur muslim brothers-think for yourself man or are u not a man!
Anyways if you want ur questions answer on those verses,then open another thread otherwise just keep it to urself!
Think man,THINK!

SHALOM.

Proffdada: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_algebra

LOL!

boolean ! boolean!
i have come across many christians explaining this trinity in many funny ways.boolean again!
it is now glaring that your religion is a confused one

let me correct your notion:

God is One

The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):

"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad".
It is a Hebrew quotation which means: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]
let me ask u
now proffada! let me ask u, is there any confusion in the above verse.[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4].

tell me where did u see ur trinity.mr man think very well dont be brainwashed.



see this also from quran:
The Most Concise Definition of God

"Say: He is Allah,

The One and Only.

"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.

"He begets not, nor is He begotten.

And there is none like unto Him."

[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4].

olempe: And how many of them did Jesus Kill? Compared to the numbers ur prophet killed?

alexis: Keep riding on lanrexlan shoulders . I responded and dis-armed his arguments.

alexis: Hi lanrexlan - thanks for explaining and taking time to throw light on this - I really really appreciate this. You are very objective when you respond. Let us consider your answers, it will give us more insight into the situation.

You quoted Surah 2: 75-76; 101; 146; 3:187; 5:14-15 as proof that Jews and Christians are the ones responsible for corrupting the Bible/Torah and these are the EVIDENCE because they threw the book away Meaning it was lost

Basically, you are saying that - Allah MUST have given Jesus the Injeel before the Surahs above since the Jews and Christians lost it. So, the Injeel and the Torah must have been given to Jews and Christians either in Surah 1 or Surah 2 or Surah 3 or Surah 4 BUT not later than Surah 5 because by then, they had LOST/THREW away etc the Injeel.


MAN ! STOP TWISTING THOSE AYAT THERE.
WE MUSLIMS KNOW THOSE VERSES WELL.
LIKE I SAID ALL YOUR QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED PERFECTLY.

IT IS NOW TIME FOR ME TO ASK YOU MANY QUESTION.
WAIT FOR ME.......

[size=15pt]NOW, READ YOUR HOLY QURAN AFTER SURAH 5[/size]

Surah 10:37 ===> This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.

POINT1 = So, after the Jews & Christians corrupted and lost the Injeel in Surah 2 & 5. Allah came back and said - Listen, the entire Quran is confirmation of the SAME BOOK that was LOST.

Surah 29:45-46 ===> Recite what is sent of the Book by inspiration to thee, and establish regular Prayer: for Prayer restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and remembrance of Allah is the greatest (thing in life) without doubt. And Allah knows the (deeds) that ye do. And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam).

Point2 = So, Allah left Surah 2 & Surah 5 where He said that the Injeel was "lost" because the Jews and Christians threw it away. Allah came back and said, oops, [size=15pt]MY BAD, Don't DISPUTE ANYTHING WITH PEOPLE OF THE BOOK. THE REVELATION THAT I GIVE YO MUSLIMS AND THE REVELATION THAT THEIR GOD GAVE THEM ARE THE SAME - NOTHING IS LOST, EVERYTHING IS THE SAME AND CORRECT.[/size].

I hope I am not mis-quoting the Quran. Allah came in Chapter 2 & 5 and said - Guys, these guys threw away the Injeel I gave them. He stopped there and never said it was lost BUT for argument sake - NL muslims said - the jews and christians LOST IT. Then Allah came in Surah 10 and 46 and said - Omo, my people are all the same; the revelation I gave the Jews and Christians are the same revelation.

So, how can the Injeel be lost in Surah 2 & 5 and then be the same revelation in Surah 10 & 46. Surely, Allah is consistent & a true muslims believes in EVERYTHING THAT ALLAH SAYS:

Surah 2:136 ===> Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

So, if what you posted is right in Surah 2 & 5, is Allah lying in Surah 10 & 46?. Can God lie?

deSika: you ask how he ran away.. then go back to his last post and see.

it seems u didnt read the thread from the beginning i would love to advice that yu do.

foodforthought: Jesus was speaking to his 12 disciples about the coming comforter, did Muhammad as the comforter come to these disciples

SMH

alexis: GBAM - GBAM - GBAM - GBAM =====> Say it 5 billion times, makes no difference

alexis: You have provided good points and I responded. It's a debate not a religious lesson . Your points conflict with other Surahs in your Quran.

deSika: guy dont make me laugh. did you notice that Mr Ved ran away.
pls humor me. what and what did you gain

soundpoint: Do you want to know why alexis hasn't POSTED here for a couple of hours. ASK YOUR MODERATOR OHHHHH.

[size=20pt]HE LOCKED MY ACCOUNT - ALEXIS ACCOUNT FROM THIS THREAD FOR POSTING FOR SOME HOURS.[/size]. Wetin una dey fear so much that the Moderator of a forum is choosing sides and preventing me (alexis) from posting.

I stepped up and answered your questions but somehow I knew you would IGNORE it. The reason is because your mind is made up already. I would have addressed each and everyone of the verses but I see all you want is to compare violence in Islam with Christianity. You are ONE OF THE DEFENDERS OF ISLAM

lanrexlan: @Brother alexis,this is the concept of JIHAD you asked for.There's nothing like holy war in
islam.If you don't understand the concept
of JIHAD,just don't take words from the
media or what people do say.The arabic
word 'JIHAD' means to strive and to
struggle.The arabic word for 'holy war'
cannot be found in a single verse of the
quran.Allah commanded every muslim to
carry out JIHAD,to strive and struggle in the way
of Allah with your wealth and your
life in order to make the society a better place,free from oppression and people are free to choose their religion.During the lifetime of our beloved
prophet muhammed(pbuh),the common
type of jihad then was fighting,most of all
the wars muhammed(pbuh)participated
in was in self defence.As Allah said in the
glorious quran in surah Al-baqarah
2;190-192-'and fight in the way of Allah
those who fight you,but transgress not
the limits.Truly,Allah likes not the
transgressors.And kill them wherever you
find them,turn them out where they have
turned you out.And al fitnah(oppresion) is worse
than killing.And fight not with them at al
masjid al-haram unless they first attacked
you there.But if they attack you,then kill
them.Such is the recompense of
disbelievers.But if they cease,then Allah is
oft-forgiving most merciful'.So the above
verses are telling muslims to fight in self
defence and fight against oppression,tell me what's wrong with that?
Killing of innocent human beings is
forbidden in islam,as Allah said in the
glorious quran surah Al-maidah 5;32-'if
anyone kills a single innocent human
soul,it will be as if he has killed the whole
of humanity and if anyone saves a single
human soul,it will be as if he has saved
the whole of humanity'.Hope that answers your question...Peace brother.

Mintayo: same thing for me too,i was banned yesterday too...so much for 'tolerance'!

I am a non-muslim and you tell me that the bible is corrupt and the original has been lost-
i ask questions(is there a crime in that?)
1. Did quran say the bible is corrupt and lost?(i thought it said it was given to Jesus by Allahplease don't call him a lie).
2. What is the proof that it is lost and corrupt?who corrupt it? When was it corrupted?
3. Where is the original Bible? Can you produce it?(it just went off like that).
None has produced any answer yet.

Shalom.

soundpoint: Do you want to know why alexis hasn't POSTED here for a couple of hours. ASK YOUR MODERATOR OHHHHH.

[size=20pt]HE LOCKED MY ACCOUNT - ALEXIS ACCOUNT FROM THIS THREAD FOR POSTING FOR SOME HOURS.[/size]. Wetin una dey fear so much that the Moderator of a forum is choosing sides and preventing me (alexis) from posting.

I stepped up and answered your questions but somehow I knew you would IGNORE it. The reason is because your mind is made up already. I would have addressed each and everyone of the verses but I see all you want is to compare violence in Islam with Christianity. You are ONE OF THE DEFENDERS OF ISLAM

alexis: Abuse of position. I emailed Seun and told him to caution his "Dedicated" muslim moderator.