i LIVED in egypt for a while and from what i Learned and modern egyptains would hate to admitt but Most ancient egyptians were black and they know that. From what I know:

Pre-dynastic Ancient Egypt= Black (Many west African Tribes Like wolof etc.)

1st Till 12th Dynasty = Black (Nubians).

13th Till 17th Dynasty = Semites (Hyksos From Syria)

During That Time The melting Pot Of egypt Started.

18th,19th,20th Dynasty = Black (Setians from the region of East Sudan/South East Egypt/Eritrea)

21st Dynasty Till 24th Dynasty = New Mixed Egyptians (Hyksos + Nubians + Setians) and Mamush (Libyans).

25th Dynasty = Black (Kushtic).

26th till 31st = White (Assyrians-Romans-Greeks-Persians)


So Every one had a go at being a Pharoh in Ancient Egypt. Today Egyptains are even more mixed with Arabs,Turks,albanians etc. However 2 groups or tribes in Egypt who are black are still todate are credited with being The decendents of Early Dynasties Of ancient EGYPT, The nubians from the early Dynasties and The Bisharin Beja from the New Kingdom Dynasties 18-20 (Tut/Hatchepsut/amhentop/akhnetan/Thutmose/Ramses Etc.)

The truth is Many modern Egyptians refuse to accept it because it destroys their identity as from prep school they are taught how their History and ancient egyptians were the pioneers of many things and they are descendents of them, Just like someone on his death bed been told He is adopted, However for me and many southern Egyptains you can defeat them in few minutes if they argue, Bear in mind Modern Egyptians would never let this debate be open in Egypt. race when it comes to Ancient Egypt is covered up because its just too obvious (If you Visit and lived in Egypt and seen the artifacts and monuments) and the truth would come out quickly, so they keep a lid on it because they Know. Only Few professors would admit In egypt and even they are Harrased for stating the obvious. Anyway if you want to know More about this you can ask Further questions.

PAGAN 9JA:


Hi Ta Xasa. i think you got some wrong info there. No self-respecting Yoruba (apart from recent fanatical christian converts) will claim descent from Nimrod and all this jews. you must be talking about the Igbos. The Yorubas are descended from Odudua, whos ancestors were apemen, not jews.

I have Been To Iraq Before, and I have seen Nimrod Era Artifacts, They Resemble Africans More than anyone else.

PAGAN 9JA:


No, this story of Ham and Nimrod, and bacon, this is all children stories and has no scientiifc basis. it is just used by missionaries to sell their religion to other people around the world. If Nimrod existed, he was probably descended from Africans and not the other way round. and that claim of Northern Hamitics being ancestors of Red Indians AND Polynesians is very funny. Red Indians are more of Mongoloid peoples while Polynesians/Malay peoples are ENTIRELY different peoples who never even encountered each other in history!. you just clubbed them together because they have slant eyes. it is a very wrong claim! and you just made it worse by saying they are descended from Hebrew and biblical Noah, when these people have their own separate religions and cultures which predates monotheistic form of judaism!

If you Don't believe in it that is fine, But This is not only story from the jews or Bible, we are told by our elders and some of our clans even have an unbroken Chain all the way to Kush and Ham. Red Indians are Not mongolid as in Hans Mongolid people But rather More of an earlier Migration grouped together under what is now called the austronesians, I have been To places Like Java In indonesia, Cebu In phillipnes, seen malays in Malaysia and Know alot of samoans and Maori's and i can tell they do have a common ancestor if you discount The body shape and variance of appearance. The common ancestor is believed to be the Aborigines of Tawian who came to Taiwan between 10,000 - 20,000 Years ago. Even Though their Numbers today is less than 500,000 But Almost 400 Million is believed to have split/Branched out from Them, and all austronesians languages Have link to them. Guess what Their DNA Link Them to todays African People The most so its either they are descendents from African or african is descedents from them or the Both share a direct common ancestor. The red Indians were kins to the Tawianese Aborigines and are probarly the first Human Migrants In History who they split somewhere around Middle Asia from the tawianese Aborigines who headed south while the red indians Moved north through siberia and crossed the americas through alaska.

morpheus24:

It is self evident that pre the migrations across the east to west for peoples in Africa, North East Africa had already created a pool of varying degrees of people that can claim cushitic ancestory. It is possible this ancestry can reach as far as senegal. Genetic evidence traces varying degrees of a haplogroup E that creates a division between the sons of WeI am sekptical of josephus's categorizing of peoples based on his jewish-biblical inspired groupings of Ham, cush and Nimrod to cover all the darker peoples of Africa.

Hmmm I See your Point, The Thing is with Many of the languages In africa They all come into Few languages that Branched Out, so 10,000-20,000 Years ago Instead of Having Thousands Of african Language we see today it would Only be few handfull of Languages at that Time where they were ancestors of Most Of African Languages Today. The Hamitic Theory is not Only Jewish Biblical Theory The Ancient Egyptians/Arabs and Most of the ancient Worlds Claimed That Idea... Now Not All Hamitic People were Black, Some were Lighter Skin Colour Like Example the Canaanites/pillsitines/Myzrami's who were were the first 12 Dynasty of ancient Egypt and Many other Groups. Basically there were 2 Hamitic Groups Known, The northern Hamitics which Includes the Red Indians, Polynesians and Many Indegionus East and south east asians Population, and you had The southern Hamitics Basically The darker africans regardless of whether they are bantu,Afro-asiatic or san or Nilo. But 10,000 Years could sometimes Alter a genetic makeup or even change the Features of a tribe slightly, The best Example of That is in many East African Countries Starting with My own Country which Is Eritrea, We have 2 Tribes who were kin and lived Next to each other, while one has Moved To the Higlands and Mixed with other Tribes and even other Non african/Hamitic Groups the other Tribe stayed Unmixed to its people and Language. The result In 1000 Years is you would Think there is no way those two are related to each other, But The fact is They are One split into two and The features of the two is identical if you look closely without Judging the clothes or the Lightness of the skin. Amazing and i see that as well with many other groups around africa, Africa is very special you can Change how a tribe would look like and even modernise it but alot of aspects of the ancient way will remain still and one of them is the attachment to a group/Tribe and The less sense of humor of getting fooled Due to our Pride/Dignity Nature.

morpheus24:

Some of the Afro asiatic and Nilo saharan groups that occupy the sahel and the sahara regions most likely originate from or share ancestors with North-east Africans as several groups continue their nomadic journeys westward along the Sahel and the sahara regions(possibly due to wars, famine or in search of water supplies). The "Asiatic" is combined to represent language influences and most likely genetic backward migrations into Africa from West Asia or what is known as the middle east ( note these migrations are before Arab conquests that bring mostly Arab peoples into north Africa).

These groups would include the ancient libyans, reminants of sea peoples originating from canaan, ancient nubian tribes as well as cushitic peoples that were scattered around border territories who were predominantly nomadic.

The nubians/cushitics would include your sudanese, nubians, oromo's, somali's and central African tribes.

Exactly My Thoughts Too, The cushtic and Nubians were of late arrivals Before the arabs but after the rest of the other african Groups. The sea People from Canaan were Fighting Against The ancient Egyptians for Many Years especially the New Kingdom Pharohs and Finally succeding of Getting FOOTHOLD in the Nile Delta and Africa where they spread from there.

shymmex: Interesting thread..

I'll quickly like to add the following:

Hausas are Afro-Asiatic and Nilo Saharan...

Yorubas/Edos are cushtic.

Igbos/Ijaws/Efik/Ibibio are bantu.

I heard That from Many sources.. That the yorubas Claim ancestory from Nimrod who is the First son of Cush. Unlike Most of other African Groups The yoruba is The Only Group who claim ancestory from Nimrod Group, Its strange for them to claim ancestory from the Most Tyrant Ancient King/People Unless there is some truth to it. Nimord would be The Eldest Uncle of Most East African Tribes Today as they claim DESENDNECY THROUGH kush Other Sons.

morpheus24:
@ Ta Xasa

just to clarify your point above. You are correct in saying most North and North west Africans are Afro asiatic speakers of which subfamilies include Chadic-hausa speakers, Amazigh_Berber are included.

The second wave of West African langauges are the Niger- congo A speakers which include some sahelian-sahara groups. These are Twi, Fulani, Wolof, Yoruba, Mandinka, Igbo.

Please note these languages are not refered to as bantu languages. They do share possible origins with PROTO-BANTU languages unified under the assumption of the use of prefixes to classify nouns and the lack thereof (Polyglotta Africana, Koelle S.W. 1854). The bantu grouping would be eventually coined following the relative similarities with languages that disperse east and south and encounter other language families(such as the khoi-clicks, Arabic tonations) to become what is known as Bantu speakers.

It seems That the Afro-asiatic Groups Migrated West Before The Niger Congo related Tribes, If so then it does mean that the Niger-congo related Tribes were the most efficient in spreading/Branching and Efficiency when it came to growing Outwards and even Maybe influence. Good Post from you.

firestar: I've learnt a great deal from all this!
Thanks to the contributors!
Brb.

You are welcome.
That is what the forums are here for so we can benefit Each other.

Hey sorry for the late reply.

emöfine2:

Haha beauty is subjective

Hahaha Too Right.

emöfine2:

The early Africans were pushed down. From North leading to South the continent appears as a spectrum lol.

That is how i see it exactly, If the Wave were reversed Then the spectrum probarly would look Different, Imagine Swapping East and west africa's Population. lol

emöfine2:

Really? Funny as these people are so tiny as well. I’m intrigued by them though.

yeah I know, But their culture is very deep. They value the land alot as well. They are actually Very very nice people I have met few from Botsawana.

emöfine2:

Hausas are Chadic, right. I actually left the country at a very young age so I can’t really say much regarding that. However my family used to live in the North and they used to share some interesting stories. My mother actually loves the Northerners/Hausa people. She and a few older Nigerians I know would always warn me...the Hausas are friendly and honest people but never ever offend their religion. And that was the only warning they used to give me. Apart from issues pertaining to religion the report about them was not bad at least within my circle of relatives/acquaintances.

Chadic Groups are usually Nice Until you point out something that is part of their culture and make it look odd/different, They don't like that. I am not sure about the hausa since there isn't many of them in east africa however The baggara are not far off and they are known to be sensitive about their culture.

emöfine2:
If the Bantus refers to central/southern Africa, Cushitic refers to East and Nilotic = East/Central and San = South Africa . . . where does that leave the majority of West Africans?

Well that is the Thing, Most West west/west Middle and west North africa are Chadic,berber and Bantu's while the west south is Bantu together with most of southern africa and Part of east africa. You can see where the borders of those ethnic groups Meet and most have mixed together. Not all bantu Groups are from the direct same ancestory Either, Language doesn't always reflect your ancestory, I am sure there is many Nigerians In america today and some only speak english and over few generation they Might be labelled as American and share the same culture with americans whether black, white or others however we all know they are Nigerian By decsent while other american Have different ancestory.

emöfine2:
Nigeria (at least the South eastern part of Nigeria) along with Cameroon had been said to be the root of the Bantu languages/people.

I am a firm believer That East Nigeria/Camroon/North West Congo is where the Main Waves took place for bantu population tribes to spread South/East/West. This is where I believe The Bantu as a language Identity was Modified If you like to reflect todays Bantu speaking Groups. I aslo Believe That The one group who Most of the bantu population Broken from passed or skipped Through Egypt west ward maybe staying In egypt the Might actually Be The pre-dynastic Ancient Egyptians before they were pushed out from More waves coming from the east. they Moved to where Libya/Algeria is and Moved south as the Desert Invade southward so they pushed Into more Arable Lands for Growing. Once they settled in where East Nigeria/Cameroon/North West Congo the population growth made for Breaking up of the group to branch out in different directions. You see Artifacts Don't Lie Nigeria/Cameroon/Congo is where you would Find Pots etc from Bantu population dating Back to Thousands of Years, anywhere else Bantu Expansion is recently recorded Either deeper into the west of africa or deeper into south africa.

PAGAN 9JA:
the Nilotic are extremely different from Cushtic peoples, in terms of racial appearance, language, custom, culture and religion. the even do facial scarification like us.

Salva Kiir Mayardit(Nilotic Dinka)--South Sudan Prez:



Ethiopian President (Cushtic):

Hello Pagan Welcome to The thread.

The cushtic are Related To The Nilotic People, Most Kushtic People Today are mixed with other race or within themselves. Nilotic people are the most Unmixed Group in africa, 3000 or 4000 Years ago Most of the kushtic groups would have been in similar position. There is even Nilotic Groups who speak a cushtic Language today and at many Tribes who are Nilo and kushtic Mix. None more Visible today than in The omo Valley In Ethiopia (Omotic People/Tribes) Some Look Nilotic But speak cushtic language and some look Kushtic but speak a nilo Language. Also The features are the same if you look carefully Both Kusthtic and Nilotic have Long Neck, Head shape is similar, they are both tall (Nilotic slightly taller) But kushtic are more mixed these days so their shade is lighter. Beside All East Nilotic Language is today Known as Hamitic-Nilo Languages Because it was Created By mixing Nilo langauge and a hamitic language (In particular Kushtic).


Here is a picture Of anuak Nilo... I can Mistake Him easily for a Kushtic person , His features is not far off from how a kushtic would look like.

emöfine2:

Well to be fair, the old face wasn’t much of a looker either lol.

Hahaha Don't Tell That to The mods, They think they upgraded the looks In here. lol

emöfine2:
So essentially there are 4 major African groups?

4 Major Migration Groups, there is small one's too but the 4 major waves today make up 90% of the people of africa. There was also Greeks,Arabs,Romans,Persians,Turks,albanians to North africa but they Mixed/Integrated with Arabs.

emöfine2:
Some claim that the san people are the oldest in the world.

They are the oldest Unchanged People together with the aboriginal People of Australia, Meaning they stayed in one place the longest and their culture/Language merely Changed since they were established. The bantu speaking Groups are the Most In africa to Branch Out seems like they are the Most Likely to Venture and Branch out and Try New things, Nilotic Tribes are less open to this except when it come to war They Love Fights and they are the most stubborn People you would Meet, Kushtic Tribes Mentality vary from conservative to " let's Mix with anyone it will be fun" Mentality.lol The Nilotic Tribes are the closest Relatives to the Kushtic people But One is calm and the other is the Completly the opposite. lol Did you Relaise that when in nigeria?? Since you have some Nilotic/Chadic Tribes from the north are they difficult to deal with?? Like Violence?? ABIT stubborn Saying that you would also find that In Many eastern african countries The nilotic People Have a strong presence in the army They make good soldiers.

UK Bobo: Damn. So you know about the Sudanese and alcohol. World War 4 anew. Somalians and Eritreans too cannot handle their drink and should avoid alcohol. I went to a Somalian dance once and at one point chairs (in all directions) started flying over my head. I cut out of there with a quickness.

lol True, Horners Can not handle alcohol In general, Its not part of their culture Really and abuse it when introduced to it.

emöfine2:

Such commitment. However I must admit this site is pretty unattractive (pun intended).

I am New here so I haven't Observed or got used to the Old look to take effect on me, But it does look more plain Now.

emöfine2:

Erythrean corresponding to Eritrean, right? lol

Correct. Well Erythrea or Eritrea In ancient Time refered to The land on the coast from East Egypt till Today Northern Djbouti. Eryth is an ancient Asiatic Word Meaning Red which translate to People of the red Land. The Reason It is Grouped As Erythrean is because it was where Erythrea Lies That the afroasiatic Languages Shared Presence and Branched out again Many Creating more sub languages. Like a meeting point If you Like. Prior to this point no one can tell for certain where and when any language originated Nor they can tell if the Language was born from its parent Language or its the original In the Erythrean Region. There is certainly Many Artifacts In this Region which predates Pre-Dynastic Ancient Egypt by Thousands of Years. Except Arabic which Originated on the other side of the Erythrean Sea (West arabia) Any language of the rest could well have originated In ancient Erythrean Region or at least developed there.

emöfine2:

Ethiopia, well at least that particular geographical region (Eastern Africa) has been often cited as the cradle of life. Do you agree with this claim?

Not Ethiopia For sure who for a starter Misses Half of the speakers of Afro asiatic Tribes Like Chadic/Beja/Ancient Egyptian let alone Bantu languages and others. As for the Whole East Africa Then still No i believe it was The first major stop and Branching Point to many african people Today Including those who speak Bantu Languages and San and other. I am a very Firm believer in the 4 waves of African Migration. First were the san people crossing over from where Eritrea/Djbouti lies with west Arabia and they just went south along the coast all the way to southern africa (south africa/Namibia/Botsawana etc) Next were The bantu Tribes Coming across Sinai and settling In egypt before Moving more east to where Libya/Algeria is and going south to cameroon then Congo then pushing again in all direction, Next were the Nilotic Tribes where they also crossed across Sinai but Moving south along the nile all the way to sudan/southern sudan/North Uganda Occupying large area's on both side of the Nile, Last Came The Rockstars arriving Late the Kushtic People crossing Into africa from all direction From Sinai till Djbouti and Pushing The nilo More west and The bantu people In eastern Africa More south. In between offcourse there has been an inter movements like Nilo going more south or west and Kushtic Going more west as well and bantu pushing Further south towards south africa etc. you can easily see that where the Layers of concentration of each group. in southern Libya you would see drawings datin back 10,000 Years ago No way that was berber or any group apart from Bantu's, you can also see same drawings In somalia and Eritrea These Drawings are a sign for stop over people could be san people In east africa and Bantu In north africa.

emöfine2:

By the way are you a historian or just a researcher?

Neither Its just a hobby Really But when I was doing My degree alot of my subjects drove me into Researches.

Zambia/zimbabwe People are very Nice. Senegal People are Nice too. Sudanese People are also Warm, North and south except when they are drunk though.

emöfine2:

Yep. I was beginning to think you could no longer reconcile with this strange looking site, lol.



Interesting. I wonder where the geographical root of this language group was located. North or East perhaps?
And I wonder why certain seemingly insignificant words such as “water”, “write” etc are similar . . . unless they all borrowed from a root.
What is the criteria that qualifies any language to be afro-asiatic? i.e. similar phonetics? similar words? same origin? etc. . I don't really understand what guidelines is used to classify any language.

Haha No My friend I was busy At work lately I would never Abandon This site Unless I am Banned somehow

About The afro-asiatic Its Better Known as Erythrean Language Group These days I have a friend who is from Chad and always Get a laugh when I tell him you are speaking An Eritrean Language Group Hehehe Anyway There isn't Certainty where the Head Language was Located, But Many Linguistic Expert Now points to the Region Where Eritrea and East Sudan and western Arabia is Because it is the area where Most of these languages Met Again after Branching out from Mespotomia,Evolved and Branched Out for the second Time, The origin could be most Likely Todays Iraq, Indo Kushtic language had a presence there Long ago and many believe it was One language, so is semitic, Chadic, Ancient Egyptians and Omotic which many believe branched out from one language earlier, Once the Migration of each of the language People to the west They Mixed Together where the red sea Area is and More sub languages were Born Around The red Sea Regions Hence Erythrean Language Group, there are 5 Criteria or More to qualify a language to be part of the Afro-asiatic Group AKA Eryhthrean Suffixes, affixes, Vowel Changes, Feminine Classification, Tonal Sounds and words Relations is part of the Criteria's there are many more as well like words Base etc. Sometimes you will find for every Criteria a language group doesn't Fit with the rest That is probarly Due to evolution of the language that over time new words or grammer is replaced or words is adopted from other Language Groups. Its exactly Like The bantu Language Group Which has probarly More speakers and languages But you can also assume they all came from One language. Meaning That the bantu Languages Had More time to Branch out and divide. Basically if The Distrubtion point of The bantu language group was somewhere around Congo/CAMEROON then The Afro-asiatic would be somewhere around the region of Eritrea/East sudan/South-East Egypt and western Arabia The Area's surrounding The red Sea East and west.

emöfine2: Hey Ta_Xasa. Long time, how you been?



Hausa is also a member of the afro- asiatic language group (perhaps the biggest afro-asiatic language in West Africa). . .I wonder if there is any similarities between Hausa and Hieroglyph and even the Kushtic languages...hmmn

Hey My Old Friend Long Time Indeed

There is the basic Simlarity Between all Afro-asiatic Languages, For a starter you will Find words for sky,Water,Write are similar, Afro-asiatic Languages are grouped Under one Umbrella Because Historians Believe The languages within the afroasiatic Languages either evolved Together at close proximity,Borrowed, People Mixed together. Other Think the ancestory of all these languages is one ancient extinct Language which started to break into Branches 15,000 Years ago. There is similarities Between Hausa and ancient Egyptians as a language, Hausa has also Many Similarities Between Hausa and some Kushtic Languages especially Ta bedawi which is Beja a language.

ezotik:

oh ok, just like countries like modern day ghana was named after the old ghana empire, and benin republic was named after the bight of benin which was in turn named after the old bini empire. it makes sense.

Correct. Except that Today Nation of Ethiopia are not ancient Ityopians, The ancient ityopians are the Nubians and their Kins (Possibly the saharan Relatives Before they expanded westward).

ezotik:
why wont somalis prefer eritreans to ethiopians when they are still whining and trying to get their so-called "stolen" land back from the ethiopians. so it is only natural for them to prefer eritreans. btw, how did ethiopia become the regional power in that area?

Somali's have been Fighting Northern Ethiopians For the last 500 Years, 500 Years ago the wiped down and destroyed the whole of northern Ethiopia and flattened Everything, The Ethiopians seeked Help from the portuguese to defeated the somali's (This is also when The ethiopians attacked Eritrea and occupied it after defeat of the somali's they hit 2 birds with one stone), in 1977-1978 The somali went to war with ethiopians again and were 50 Km's from the capital till the soviet and the cubans came to the ethiopian rescue. Eritreans and somali's since ancient history got along very well and the only thing we happen to compete with is Business, Somali are Masters when in comes to business and Eritreans are very good too, But i do got to give it to the somali's Overall they are a tiny touch Better.

ezotik:
funny. i once met this guy i always thought was ethiopian... and when we finally got to introduce ourselves to each other, i told him im nigerian and i said, "and u are ethiopian, right?" and he said "no, im eritrean" and when i asked him his name, he said "haile" and i asked, "haile? as in, haile selaise?" and the guy smiled and said "yes". now, i dont know of any jew that would want to be assiociated with hitler even if his first name is "adolf"

Hahaha Funny, he Probarly Didn't like The link but at least you got his name right.lol

ezotik:
hey, rastas are the bomb with sizzla kalonji being my favorite rastafarian.

The Rsta's are cool, They are Nice people i just hate seeing them taken advantage of sometimes, They have made something out of themselves and Jamaicans are probarly My favourite Afro Group Outside Africa, I just don't know why they would worship a guy like Hailesalisse who is a known racist, My brother Told me once a rastafari who was wearing a T-SHIRT saying Hailasalise in My lord arrived In Eritrea and at the airport they told him to take it off or they will send him back he refused so they deported Him few hours after his arrival, He probarly Thought about how Unfair it is But he doesn't know the customs Saved his life as he wouldn't walk 10 Meters oustide the airport before the people would have Killed him. Sometimes they are too stubborn. But in general they are friendly and nice.

E-Engineer:
@nkemdilim, u didnt have to call the poster a liar, the so called propaganda u are talking of was what we on this forum asked him to explain to us and he answered he didnt come here with the sole aim of preaching eritrean government propaganda, he came here with the sole purpose of learning about west african culture and telling us of his culture and we were doing just that

Don't worry about Him/Her... Like i said That is how would an ethiopian try to have an exchange of View, claim i am a liar then use a general term to link us with them and use Wiki as a proof which is probarly edited By the same person. He/ she felt they needed to respond but and accuse me of Lies he Never been to Egypt or Eritrea All he/she Knows is Throw Hay makers and Hope something make sense.

nkemdilem: Sorry to disappoint you guys but I have to intervene and save you from this lier called Ta_Xasa. He is just presenting you some non existant fantasy world. I know horners very well especially the Eritreans and the Ethiopians. I've lived many years with both of them. You have to understand that there is all kinds of politics going on between them and some political forces are creating new history and new identity just to server their political goals.

How Am I lying the politcal Atmosphere Got Nothing to do with it, you like to Generalise things Well i was asked specific Information, I will demonstrate to you your lack of Knowledge on this matter as i go further, If you Lived with Both Eritreans and Ethiopians for Years you do have to know that For an Eritrean he would simply tell you what your Limited Mind can handle, Basically The eritrean Person Might felt you are a waste of Time to explain details to your limited Capacity.

nkemdilem:
The "history" this dude Ta_Xasa tells you is absolutely unheard even to people, who know history very well because it is 100% a made up "history" that is being pushed recently by the Eritrean government. The whole aim is to indoctrinate the Eritrean population that they have much in common with Egypt and sudan or even with nigeria or any country for that matter than their close relatives in Ethiopia. But if you know about the dominant peoples of Eritrea and Ethiopia, the so called habesha, you know they have almost everything in common be it language, religion, traditional wears, customs and many many things.

Yep Blame the gorvenment easy exit for you (sounds to me You are Ethiopians which PROVES my point That ethiopians would do anything to Generalise things Just to Link themselves to Eritreans), You don't Know anything about the Eritreans or Eritrea, the Tribal Branches On its Flag, The meaning of The Eritrean Emblem, Habesha People are Not Eritreans, There are 36 Clans for Kebessa and Tigre People and they Trace their ancestory to Tigre and Himyarite, so the word Habesha is an arabic Word derived from h-B-sh Meaning to Mix, Habesh who were sabeans Never were In eritrea their settlement was In Ethiopia, The language is Known is called Geez but i want to ask you was geez the language of the geez There is no such things as habesh In Eritrean Identity It was abolished Upon the Liberation of eritrea, The Tigrigna speakers are Known as Ke-be-sa and are Divided between 14 Clans, There is No Clan System In Ethiopia's Habesh Because Due to the name Everyone is mixed and you are Identified with the town you are from Not your Clan or tribe Affilation, One Good Example for this is the surnames The eritreans Surname Usually Reflects the Belonging of a clan Example Samuel Asgedom beloning to the Asgede Clan who are from The Habab Tigre Tribe Originally, while in Ethiopia you usually have a first name then your Father's Name e.g Michael Kifle where Kifle would Be Michael's Father Name, that is one easy way to Differntiate Between Eritrean and Ethiopians with their Names If you see "OM" AT the end of the surnames it means "Belonging to" If Nairaland was A someone Belonging to nairaland would Be His First Name then Nairalandom. I said Earlier That we share customs as Much as arabs and the Baggara of darfur share customes, The point here is Ancestory Not customs, Just like you share alot of customs with Anglo-saxon Now I would doubt your ancestory Is anglo saxon.

nkemdilem:
It is even hard for the habeshas themselves to differentiate between Eritrean and Ethiopian habeshas so that when both of them see someone from Eritrea or Ethiopia, whom they are not sure which country is he is from, they usually ask first whether he/she is habesha instead of directly asking whether he/she is Eritrean/Ethiopian. They think the term habesha is more unifying than dividing, so they both use it. Read more about habesha people here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habesha_people

Dude you are using Wiki for a source?? lamo. The term Habesha was used Generally to describe a whole region of East africa, Including the Oromo and somali's, the somali's were known as habesha People also for many Hundred Years, The arabs use that term to generalise a whole region, like saying Europe, as the arab Used Khorosan to identify Pakistan/Iran/Afghanistan/Tijikistan/Azerbijan But we all know some of these countries have different ancestory But you Don't see a pakistani going to an Irani today and saying we are Khorsani. Wikipedia Pages about Eritrea is 99% written By Ethiopians and edited them Daily, Look at the discussions and Edited accounts Its all done By Ethiopians But we just don't bother anymore, If people want to Know about Eritrea's History or ancestory simply Go to an Eritrean website, we try to avoid Interacting with Ethiopians Because They would turn Anything into Politics and Blame Eritrean Government.

nkemdilem:
The extreme Eritrean government supporters are even going far to tell their people not to call themselves habeshas. But many ordinary Eritreans reject this notion and still are proud to be habesha. Google for the word "habesha" and you will see both Ethiopian and Eritrean results.

You are not Eritrean Buddy, when an Eritrean Meet an Eritrean they would ask the following:

Where you From? e.g (Eritrea)
what town You from? (Nefaset)
What Tribe you belong to? (Kebessa Tigrigna)
What Langauge you speak? (Tigrigna and Tigre)
What Clan Are you? (Hazzega)


No one ask if someone is habesha or Not In eritrea, But This is Ethiopian Way:

Where you from? e.g (Ethiopian)
what town are you from? (Addis)
Are You habesha? (Yes or no)

THATS it. Can you deny This?

Ethiopians are confused They Think Habesha is a tribe, It is Not a tribe its just a way to generalise Things Just like saying The Fulani are Hausa, THEY ARE nOT Fulani are Nilotic while The hausa are not, so when someone Non nigerian asks a Fulani if he is a hausa some Might Understand for him saying yes. When Non East africans ask if Eritrean are habesha you Might find some eritreans who would say Yeah just to Give an idea to the person asking the question he is from the same area. But If Ethiopians ask an eritrean if he is habesha Most likely they would give a weird Look back and reply (No i am not Ethiopian i am Eritrean Tigrigna or Eritrean Saho etc.)

nkemdilem:
The whole crazy idea that Eritreans are more related to Egypt than their close relatives in Ethiopia, whom they resemble most, is simply a political motivated propaganda that is being propagated by the Eritrean government recently. It is even very foreign to many ordinary Eritreans. The worst fear of the Eritrean government is that many Eritreans some day will have some kind of political union with Ethiopia because of their many similarities. If you ask any ordinary Eritrean they tell you that they are the same people like the Ethiopians. But Eritreans are also aware of the sacrifice they paid for their independence and do not want to be united with Ethiopia. So the fear of the Government is not realistic but it is getting paranoid. Go to any Eritrean or Ethiopian restaurant in your neighborhood and you will know the food is almost the same. Ask any Eritrean on the street whether they are habesha and they will tell you they are.

How is that political Agenda Facts speaks Louder, offcourse if anyone in here ask an eritrean if he is habesh Than Few might say yes to say they are from the horn, However for someone like you who knows ask any eritrean If he is habesh and you would get a slap on an average Day, Benefit of the doubt for people who don't know is different from Ethiopians or people in the region who knows the difference, You haven't Been to Eritrea in your Life and since you get your Information from wikipedia In order for you to become Eritrean Citizen you Need for 2 People from your Tribe/Clan to vouch For you as belonging to The tribe and Eritrean, In ethiopia you could become a habesh Ethiopians for $100 Dollars Plus the fee for 4 Photos. The only Reason you don't know about The clan system of the Kebessa Eritrean Tigrigna speakers is because they Don't talk/Share about it with Non eritreans especially Ethiopian Habesh, Its just their habits.

nkemdilem:
Sorry for destroying this fantasy world built by the fake guy. But until the italian invasion of the current Eritrea in the 1890, the habeshas always lived in one country having almost everything the same their habesha cousins in Ethiopia. Don't believe what this dude Ta_Xasa tells you and be exited as if you have come to know some unknown history.

Ok tell me Please is it a lie that Eritrea was Under The beja Confiderncy Between 700ad till 1500 ad with a policy of No habesh Inside Eritrea?? Tell me is it a lie That Habesh spoke sabean and no geez Tell me is a lie That Geez wasn't spoken In ethiopia Till 5th century AD Tell me is it a lie that every artifacts discovered In Ethiopia prior to the 5th century is in Sabean No Geez

nkemdilem:
It is just a propaganda. Use your common sense. If a politicalized Eritrean tells you that he/she has more in common with Egypt and has nothing in common with Ethiopia, then you know that this is just a political BS and has nothing to do with reality. Just ask ordinary Eritrean and they will tell you they are the same people with the Ethiopians.

Buddy I really feel sorry for you lol There is no such Thing as habesha for a tribe, Its a name Given By the arabs In ancient Times to People who lived In Yemen and Mixed Then annexed The northern Plaetu Of ethiopian Highland, But answer me this question If Eritrean are habesh why the hell are 90% of the population speak a language which is soo different to what Habesh spoke?? If someone is habesh Ethiopian why the hell are they speaking Geez and writing In the Old Himyarite Alphabets? But then Again an eritrean would tell you the obsession of Ethiopians to Link themselves with Eritreans is going Crazy, Ethiopians have their semite sabean 3000 Years just enjoy it and celebrate it but no they also want to be agazians, How could you be Indian but claim you are also Chinese at the same time, if that is not a contradiction i don't know what is.

Ta Xaza,I want to know as much as possible.If you can recount the different tribes and their way of marrying,that would be fine.




Give me a day i will Give you a run down on all the tribes and their wedding Culture.

rabzy: Nice thread indeed.

Ta_xasa, it seems you don't really have much love for the Ethiopians. We do have a lot of respect for the Ethiopians here, from their ancient history, their independence and fight against italian domination, rastafarianism and selessie, the fact that they were mentioned in the Bible etc. If a typical Nigerian was just asked to pick between an Ethiopian and Eritrean, we would most likely pick the Ethiopian, not for any particular reason but just that we have heard more about them.

I used to believe you both must be from the same origin. Can you explain more about the oromo descent of the Ethiopians, and also the real reasons for the rift between you guyz.

Well one thing i can say about Nigerians is that we don't have any country (i.e apart from our internal ethnic bickerings) we hate or love to blame, what happened was that in the last 10 - 20 years, due to the seeming improvement in their economy and maybe a decline in Nigeria's Economy, some African countries, (Ghana especially) started picking on us, telling us to our face that they don't like us, bad-mouthing our country every chance they get. So in reaction Nigerians also started hitting Back. But if you are in Nigeria, no one cares if you are Ghanaian, Togolese or Liberian. Everybody just hustles and get on with life. We have a lot of Togolese, Beninese in our food and construction industry and also as house-helps in very rich men homes.

I used to have an Rwandan Lady and an Ethiopian as friends in India and we got along well.

Hello Rabzy,

Thanks For the reply.

One thing You Need to Know about Eritreans is we are straight forward people, we don't Tippy Toe around what we think or See we will say it straight up, Another thing is we Don't care about How people precieve Ethiopians, Infact People Favour them because they can sweet Talk about themselves, I would Rather Tell you What I think or facts Rather Than Lie, This is showing you respect and not Treating you like A fool. When Ethiopians Tell you they were mentioned In the bible Ityopians mentioned in the Bible were actually refering to the nubians of South egypt and North Sudan with their capital Ityopia, The name Ethiopia was adopted By Ethiopia today 100 years ago because The preists wanted to be relevant with the Bible, The italian Fight was Done with Tribes mainly of oromo who i happen to Like as people but they never mention that to you, and when they tried to Fight with out them they suffered the Most Humilating Defeat and were colonised from 1935-1941. Tippy Toe is their Trade, Selaise to Eritrean Is equivalent to Hitler and jews, they Only good Thing is his life ended By an Eritrean. Rastafarians lool they can worship Ethiopians and selaise for as long as they want while smoking their pots and joints. As an Eritrean I wouldn't Get Upset if Nigerian or anyone would prefer Ethiopians, Just like Most arabs/somalians/sudanese/chad would prefer Eritreans Than Ethiopians. Every one Got their prefernce. Although i would Think few Northern Nigerians Tribes Like the Fulani and Baggara would Relate to Eritreans More.

We don't share The same Ancestory, Turks and Albanians Look the same but have a different ancestory one is Indo european and the other is Turkic seljuk. Ethiopians Are decendents from Oromo and Agew Tribes who Mixed with the habesh Yemeni. While Eritreans are actually Beja/afar Tribes and tribes who were Beja In origin But Mixed with other Tribes. Eritreans are Much Taller have Longer Neck and have a more narrow Shape Heads On average. Ethiopians are Much shorter, Shorter Neck, deep eye socket much rounder Head Shape and Bigger Foreheads. Most East africans Can Tell the difference straight away.

Ethiopians oromo are ancient People But When the semites from yemen invaded Ethiopia they ocuppied the northern Pleatu of Ethiopia and Mixed with the local Population. If you Look at Ethiopian History all writing artifacts from 3000 years ago till 1500 ago is all in sabean which is langauge of the habesh semite Yemeni, so they are Mix of the two semite Habesh and Oromo, Eritreans since 2000 b.c were of Beja which Includes Afar and agazians, agazians are semitised Beja who were known as Ta xasa to the ancient Egyptians. Infact if you look at ancient Egyptians battles against the assyrians they would tell you that ta xasa were their allies against the assyrians. The rift between Ethiopians and Eritreans is a continuation of the Hostility Between the Migrant arrival of The two Tribes who came from arabia, the Beja semitised Tribe of the agazians who represnted Kingdom of Himyarite and the habesh Semites who represented Sabean. Since ancient Himyar and Agazians were of beja decent once they Moved to Eritrea they didn't Need to invade as they were entering a land owned By their Beja Kins, The habesh however Invaded Ethiopia since the agew and oromo are kushtic and not related, once both settled in new ground the habesh wanted access to sea and the Beja agazians Kicked the invaders out and recorded their victory In a 2900 Stele in Central Eritrea, and basically since then Ethiopians ever trying to Invade Eritrea and have acess to the sea, But that is not the only Reason, Geez the language the write in is Eritrean, The language they adopted today after leaving their native sabean Language is also Eritrean, The writing which is Himyarite also Belong to the ancestor of Eritreans, so Obsession with taking Eritrea is the only way to claim their language is Local rather than adopted from another country. That is the reason Ethiopians would tell you Eritreans and ethiopians are the same while Eritreans would tell you Eritreans/East sudanese/south east egyptians and part of djbouti are same.

Intresting Read on your Nigeria Prospective. Thanks for the Input.

emöfine2:

Okay o, small small we go do am

Hahaha I am learning.

emöfine2:


I remember watching a mini clip about some evangels in Africa (it was quite a long time ago though) – I think they were trying to convert a subgroup of the Fulani’s. The Fulani’s generally are Muslims anyway but the way these people went about trying to convert them was really disgusting.
This group of Fulani’s they were trying to convert were rather quite undernourished so they were taking advantage of their predicament by offering them bread as long as they accept Jesus.

What a devious and disgusting way to convert anybody (smh) . . .I didn't even watch it to the end though but I doubt they succumbed.
But that episode made me wonder about the type of methods used to convert and why are some people so desperate to convert.

Yeah Exactly.. The method They use sometimes could Create bigger problems, and when it happens They make a big fuss about it but never mention how The mess started.

emöfine2:


His mother is Afrikaner. I think he’s even set up a charity foundation in South Africa.

Hmm Interesting.

emöfine2:


London is cool except that whenever there’s the world cup going on some English fans instantly transform (one of the reasons I’ve never lent my support to the England team) . . .Now the Olympics are round the corner - but with other sports apart from football English fans are pretty tame and sober – that’s why I can easily support England for rugby or something but not football.

Hahaha Yeah English Football fans are Crazy and they hardly win Other fans over to support thier team.

emöfine2:



I wonder why there is much concealment in Ancient Egypt’s History. Too many biased people have interfered with this history to the extent of withholding information. Maybe I shouldn't even be surprised really seeing as Egypt is often hailed as the greatest civilization – maybe some people don’t want such accolade linking with African black people because it challenges those often held stereotypes about Black Africans. That’s one of the reasons why I believe some black Americans are so invested in this civilization. The more certain things are deliberately covered well people are going to suspect the motives here. I’ve always thought ancient Egypt was diverse so if certain pharaohs were darker then that shouldn’t be kept a secret for fear of crushing the egos of some bigots! And because of this unfortunately Ancient Egypt’s has become a subject of an on-going racial debate.

The Problem is admitting It would do more Bad than good for Non Black People, for one The egyptians who are Mixed or many came from arab country/Persia/Greeks/Romans Etc can not Reverse The idea Now that they are Not desendents of Ancient Egyptians, It is simply Unacceptable, In school There from young age they are told Their ancestors are the Ancient Egyptians, Many Egyptians Reliase once they reach an old age that Many Pharohs were actually Black But can't swallow it and admitt it, You know i Feel for them Because i lived there, The best they say to save themselves is they are mixed. But african American Have Ruined it more, there were also white Pharohs but arguing everyone was black really makes it easier for egyptians to counter that by showing a pharoh from the 15th Dynasty who looks white, an average african american wouldn't know what hit him, But if he knows that this pharoh was from the time of The hyksos Invaders who came to syria he would know next time not to say everyone is black, There is Not Debate about it. The first 12 Dynasty were Black Egyptians, 13-14-15-16-17 were Hyksos who were White, 18-19-20 were black Ta-setians, 21st-24th were Egyptains and mamush Libyans, 25th was black, 26th-30 (31st if you count the Romans) were Persians/Romans/assyrians/Greeks.. so you must know which Dynasty you would argue about, if someone says 15th dynasty were white then you would reply Offcourse they were, they were Hyksos Invaders Not argue about the whole Egypt being Black Etc.

emöfine2:


That’s why I think history is really important to the esteem of an individual. Why would some people try to omit other people’s place in history? Because if one doesn't know where they come from or what they were before they wouldn't have much to aspire to or know where they are going.
Reminds me of certain civilizations in “sub Sahara Africa”. Like Great Zimbabwe and the sculptures from Ile Ife. Even in an environment surrounded with black Africans there were people still trying to claim otherwise, and that black Africans were not responsible or even capable of such civilization. I actually find such behaviour quite embarrassing really. What are some people afraid of to go to the extent of snatching and deleting other people’s history?

You see the whole Idea of this is If Egypt is proven to be a black Civilization then it would mean That 5000 Years ago Black People actually were cradle to alot of things that was invented, People don;t relaise that In egypt itself The people in the south calls The northerners Forigners, They don't even Accept them as Egyptians as in a sense of Real egyptians.

emöfine2:

Some groups in West Africa claim lineage to Ancient Egypt or Sudan.

I have Heard of many Groups, Like wolof and many others, the thing is there was 3 mass exodus From Egypt in ancient Times into Africa, after the 12th Dynasty, after the 20th Dynasty and after the 25th dynasty, and since many African Tribes Must've been through Egypt either during the Dynastic Era or pre dynastic Times any claim can not easily Be brushed Off easily.

emöfine2:


Does this Seth correspond to the Biblical Seth? Adam and Eve’s child?
Canaan means nomad . . .I read somewhere that the Somali-Canadian musician name – K’naan – meant nomad. I don’t know if that data was correct though or if K'naan is indeed a word in Somali.

Correct seth corresponding to seth Adam and eve Child. Canaan and k'naan is the same. You know that one of the Pharoh was Named Seti i think from the 19th Dynasty, the whole new kingdom were from Ta-seti as the last Ruler of the 17th Dynasty who was a hyksos Confirmed.

emöfine2:


Interesting. So that means part of the East – well at least the Horn of Africa is linked to Ancient Egypt?

Well when the new Kingdom Kicked the Hyksos out from Egypt overnight Ta-seti which Includes Medjay and Punt all the way to southern Eritrea was under one Kingdom ruled from Egypt, Ta seti has never been conquered In its History why would Ta-seti who at that time be ruled from Egypt unless if the rulers were actually Ta-setians The hyksos when conquering Egypt Thought about Invading Ta-seti But found out Ta-seti army was 5 times Bigger than the Egyptains and 3 times Bigger than them. If you look at the artifacts especially hatchpsut's,Nefertari's,Thutmos, amhentop, Tut amun they always refer to Punt and Medjay as Land of the ancestors/Origin/Gods (Seti), No other dynasty Pharoh's apart from the Middle Kingdom Pharohs do that. 14 Years ago The egyptian Governement Officially Recognised The beja Of south East Egypt to be directly Decendents of the Middle Kingdom Dynasty/Pharoh, No other group in Egypt had this Recognistion Even The Nubians to any other Dynasties, and the reason is it is soo Obvious and beyond Clear, If you ever go to Egypt you will Find it also Obvious Especially Pharoh Seti temple, be quick though before the Egyptian Governement destroy that too or wipe off the writings.

emöfine2:


This reminds me of mandarin. I asked a Chinese guy in my class if he could spell my name in mandarin and he first asked to hear the pronunciation of my name and I was thinking – don’t you want the meaning of my name first lol. Well that was pretty interesting but even when I told him the meaning he found it hard to capture it in mandarin as opposed to how it's pronounced.

Yeah Mandarin Is hard a letter of their Alphabet would actually be your whole name.lol

emöfine2:


I remember once you said that Tigrigna was a semetic based language. Is Amarigna also semetic?
If so does that mean that the hieroglyphic language is also semetic?
So basically the hieroglyph alphabet is a translation of a particular sound/pronunciation?

Tigrigna is a semitic base Mixed With Beja and Afar/saho which is actually the ancient medjay language (Beja) and the ancient punt language (Afar/Saho).. amharic is a semitic langauge Mixed with oromo and Agew which is a different Kushtic languages.

Hieroglyph is not semitic But share alot of words with semitic Because its part of the afro asiatic language Group, and Share alot of words with kushtic Language Because its also Afro asiatic language, and its the closest Language to Beja, Now since Tigrigna is a semitic/Beja/Saho/afar Mix langauge alot of the words would be similar In hieroglyph as well, The writing is adopted from The egyptians with abit of Letter adding and subtracting through Middle source.

E-Engineer:
Ta xasa, u didnt answer my question abt italian. If shetima's were comin to egypt in d early 90's, it might hv been d handiwork of abacha, did u also notice an influx of d name yerima( a kanuri name)

Sorry i missed the part of Italian Colonisation. Yeah The italian Colonisation took Shape when Eritrea was Fought Over By the Egyptians/Turks/Ethiopians and Italians.. The eritreans at that time was Fed up with Ethiopian Occupation that anything Else was probarly more welcoming, even though Many Resisted but Ethiopian Nearly wiped out The Whole population of the highlands to bring them under their control and the rest of the country especially the coasts Invited the egyptians/Turks as an Insurance from any further Menace the Ethiopians were Creating. The italians played Politics First and Hired few ports. As eritreans Having Italians,Egyptians and Turks was a good Idea to remove Ethiopians From Eritrean Land, a scheme That actually worked, Eritrea Boomed and Towns with European Buildings Made Eritrea looking better, However Once you replace a colonial power with another you still are colonised and Italy was a Big power, Italians were actually the best colonisers you could get when you compare them to England/France because they had a belief they would stay for ever and By that they Invested Everything back in the country and United the people, They were racist But Eritreans had to Bite the Bullet and Be patient they knew sooner or later they would leave, Once they Lost the second world war Britian Took over and Handed Eritrea back to Ethiopia at first they said stay for few years then a referndum will decide if you want to split but the ethiopian leaders knew well that Eritreans would vote to seperate so they suspended the process and moved their army into Eritrea again, This is when the Eritrean Liberation started and the rest is History.

About Kanuri Yes there was a guy who his name was Yerima but many more name was shetema, some Ibrahim,Osman's But Even the arabic Names had funny pronouncation to it.

emöfine2:

By the way could you elaborate on the ancient gods - Anubis and Seth? What type of role did they play i.e. sun god etc.

Also did some Eritreans know how to write in hieroglyphs or perhaps a similar pattern?

That is what i am researching Now... Especially Seth. seth was a noble man In ancient times and Many followed Him, he resided in The land of canaanite, Now some beja clans claimed to have come from Cannan, According to Early Greek Explorers The canaanite and ancient Egyptians shared the same Langauge/looks and Culture. Beja and ancient Egyptian today is 70% The same, im not talking about words im talking about sentences, If you read ancient Egyptian scripts a beja would understand It. Now there is something here as Seth Lived in canaan and some of the beja followed Him maybe later elevated Him to god status, Ta-seti which means land of seth directly But it means Land of the bow because Beja or setians were known for their archery Skills. the New kingdom Dynasty who came from Ta seti Introduced seth an the main god and named one of its army Brigade seth. Beja Language and ancient canaanite is almost identical and canaan Means Nomads lol You can't get more Nomdic Than the beja people.

About Eritrean Writing Its basically Ancient Egyptian with out the Leg/Head etc. Its very close, It seems that it was Adopted By Eritreans Through a middle Source, Either meroetic Through Ta seti or the more Likely Himyarite Through canaanite. The writing has been recorded In eritrea for 4000 Years, so we know the source and few possible Channels but Once we start digging for the pre-axumite artifacts we should come to a conclusion.

Check out How close some of the Letters are.

http://hieroglyphalphabet.com/

emöfine2:

Lol. The more you frequent this site I can guarantee you that you will pick up a lot of pidgin. That’s how I learnt mine even
The thing is I can’t really speak it because of my accent – my accent is too light so it makes my style of delivery redundant in my opinion but I can read and write in it. So if you like, I can teach you a bit lol. I think it’s fun to speak too I’m just conscious of my accent.
Yeah I agree with you, I love the play on words. The manipulation is very interesting and entertaining.

Too excited, at the moment i laugh More than Learn from the words. soon i will put my Learning cap on and try to pick up few words.

emöfine2:

Lol @ getting tired of bailing them out. But I find trying to convert children kinda sneaky so I understand your point.

Yeah, The thing is they Hardly convert anyone whether they are catholics,orthodox or Muslims. so sometimes they resort to childish ways and its abit worrying when you consider Eritreans In general are abit conservative No matter what religion they are. so it doesn't sit well with many people.

emöfine2:

Federer’s mother is South African even though Federer identifies himself as Swiss.

I didn't know that, I thought he was full swiss.

emöfine2:

Lol and I live in England

London? how was it?

emöfine2:
Well generally Nigerians are alert

Very alert i would say. Good on them.

emöfine2:
Yep I think there’s much to explore in Egypt, I can't wait to visit the land of the Pharaohs

You would Love south of egypt, apart from Those African american Groups who actually Think they are decendents of Pharohs and Bowing to every statue There But the local and the History Is very good. you would be When you see the large Pharohs temples and you would Bet your Life they were African and black, If you do make sure you Visit Hatchpsut Temple you would be Amazed of how proud she was of her African Identity however the tour Guides wouldn't be very happy to translate alot of the Things there for you because alot of it is linking them to being African and black, If you get a Nubian Brother or a beja Tour Guide he/she would even take you into Area's Not allowed For Vistors to show you How black and african were they.lol Visit Djoser Pyramid also I swear he looks 100% nigerian i always thought the first 6 Dynasty of Egypt Might have been Related to Today Nigerians/west africans. You would Love it.

E-Engineer:
i have enjoyed this thread from the beginning,
i have many questions for u Ta xasa

Hello E-Engineer, Fire Away

E-Engineer:

but first i would like to clarify some of ur opinions
the kanuri in nigeria are similar to the fulani in the sense that they are united with the hausas in language, customs and religion
they do not differentiate themselves from the hausas, our former military dictator General sani abacha was a kanuri

Hmmm This Means That the Hausa is the unifying Langauge In north Nigeria, It make sense now. Strangely Though as In east Africa Nilo speaking Tribes would make sure they are recognised as such.

E-Engineer:

they also have one thing in common with the fulanis, their looks, they look different from the hausa's and most times are chocolate to fair in complexion, the northerners are generally attracted to the kanuri and fulani women
most of them dont speak their language, they speak hausa and they always answer arabic names like the hausas, names like ibrahim,mohammed, abubakar, abdul etc
they have some local names like galadima, shettima etc
i hope that clarifies things

Shettema there was a big Influx of Nigerians with that Name to egypt in the late 80's early 90's, and that name was very starnge to egyptians Because In arabic IT means "Swearing word" or "Curse word", If abacha was The president at that time maybe alot of Kanuri were sent abroad to further Their studies.

E-Engineer:

now to my question, is it true that east africans dont see themselves as africans especially the ethiopians,eritreans and somalians, do east africans suffer from the same complex northern sudanese suffer from and what european language do you eritreans speak, is it italian?

Well This is a hot topic, The sudanese who claim they are arabs are of Mostly Nuba Origin, there was once a Tribe who were of arab descent coming to North sudan and were called Jalaba and mixed with local Population, they were merely afew but managed to convince Many that Nobility is with those who claim arab ancestory, as we can see the mix hardly changed the appearence of many of the north sudanese People but to claim you are an arab gives you More status, the enviornment made it better to say you are arab than Not which is sad in a way.

As for somali there are 5 Main Tribes within the somali, 2 of them Claim ancestory from arabs, however since the close proximity of the arab countries to somalia it was a mere Migration by few arabs who intermarried with the local population But somehow like sudan convinced Them that Claiming His arab roots would Boost Status. Ethiopians In my opinion have an identity Crisis, So far they have claimed 6 Different ancestory Lines Not linked with each other, They are Originally of Agew and Oromo ancestory who are Mixed with Habesh Yemeni when they Invaded Ethiopia 3000 Years ago. so far they have claimed that they are habesh Arabs, agew or oromo, Isrealites, Itypoians who are Nubians, and Now they are trying to claim the same Ancestory as Eritreans which Pisses Eritreans off.

Eritreans are Africans with a touch of Arab Race, The difference is Eritreans are decedents of African Tribes ancient One's If you Like The beja/Afars, Kunama and Nara who were the rulers of the late Meriote Dynasty In Kush,Over the years arab did come to Eritrea and Mixed But they actually turned to Africans Not the other way around, They speak In african Language and practise African Culture, Yes there is an influence from Arab Countries Due to Religion however The national Language Of Eritrea is the Only language In all Africa where it uses its own Script where it proven to be From that land (Ethiopia use the same script But they adopted that script from Eritreans and its not native to them), Like a Coffee with a bit of Milk that is Eritrea.

If you go to Mombasa, Mauritania and many Other african country you would see there is parts or a time in history there was an influx of Migrants or Mixing what matters is who adopted to who's Language or Culture More. I am sure there is arabic Influence In north Nigeria. 90% Of Eritrean Claim Decedents from The beja, Now The Beja 4000 Years ago were like the arabs of Today, They Inhibtit The whole east coast of east sudan + Eritrea + south East Egypt + cannan (southern palestine +part of jordan) + Big chunck of Iraq + majority of the whole aRabian Peninsula) The arab Today were Non existent and their ancestors were tucked away in a very small Town In north syria, Due to the constant Push from the semites everyone wave after wave settled In east africa and left the arabian area for good.
Eritreans are proud of their ancestory and History and people and consider themselves part of Africa. Eritreans Likes the fact that they do share few things with everyone around them a step that can bring them close to everyone.

Most africans Tribes have a tale of how they Migrated to africa from what is today Iraq or its surrounds, starting with Bantu speaking Tribes Moving across North africa and moving south to where cameroon is and spreading again, the Nilo Tribes Moved along the Nile while the kushtic Tribes Hugged The coast of east africa, wave after wave for tens of thousands of Years.

ifyalways: Thank you Ta Xaxa.

I'm interested in the cultural/tribal marriage.How is it performed,any dowry to be paid or flogging like the Fulani's do ?

Depending On the tribe, did you want a tribe similar to the sahel Tradition or did you want a summary of how each tribe do their Marriage

emöfine2:

It’s even very easy to learn

I just Love How The africans play around with langauges Full stop, and i would love to learn the west African Version of it it does sound Fun to speak it.

emöfine2:

Thanks for that link. I loved every single word and sentence on the introductory page. That was brilliantly articulated. If only more Africans could think like that.
By the way is the word Kunuma a derivative of their god Anna?

My Kunama Is really Bad But Kunama Means from what i Understand "Coming from Different Directions" as in Ka Means North i think, when the Kunama came To Eritrea Thousands of Years ago they Came in waves and from different Direction from the Nile Valley and entered Eritrea from Different Area's and Gathered In Eritrea again. Every Tribal Name In Eritrea apart From Blin means Nomads/wonderers In their Native Language. That is why The camel In Eritran Emblem to reflect however/whenever you came To Eritrea This is your Home Now.

emöfine2:

I ask because I was studying some of the words on that site that alluded to god i.e Annam koske or Annam aneneke and “Annam” appears slightly similar to Kunama. Or maybe I’m just grasping at straws.

Like i said I am Very Very bad at Nilo-sahel Langauges, But from what I observe Is Kunama and nara and many Nilo sahara Languages have Similar words Meaning Different Things, Nilo Languages Is like The Chinese of africa words could mean the same But a slight Tongue Variation could mean a whole different word. But still it could be the same But Honestly i can't give you confirmation of this word Links.

emöfine2:

You said earlier that Kunama were monotheists which made it easier for them to adopt Islam. I’ve also heard similar stories about other African groups who claim that conversion was easier due to certain similarities with their native beliefs and the imported faiths which just makes me think. . . . shouldn't those similarities reaffirm such people’s conviction in their god if commonalities can be traced in other cultures. I just didn't understand that reason for converting. If that’s the case then maybe the messengers of Islam and the Christians evangelist in Africa should have converted to some religion on the continent by that same token.

It's Just the pressure of Neighbouring Tribes, If you look at History Many People around the world converted to abrhamic Religions for convienent or pressure Rather than 100% conviction from the khazarians Turks In asia to many african Tribes, Kunama Location weren't The best at times, surrounded By Beja/Tigre and Nara who by then fully converted to Islam The kunama who were Mostly Farmers Knew Title Change would give them Breathing space, and The kunama who Converted were/are those who are Bordering The other Tribes, 100-200 Years ago wasn't like today, Tribal Aggression was Open and if your Neigbouring Tribes were not Muslim or Christian you were a target for takeover/Raids Because it was allowed under the pretext of epanding the religion Etc. Nowadays is different Africa is more calmed especailly when it comes to Religion conversion, Yes you have conversions But its done with other means like Preaching or Engaging with people to bring into Faith. Not Raiding the whole Tribe and forcing Anymore. In Eritrea Conversion Hardly Happens Now except for maybe 2 or 3 every Year which is low approaching people to preach is a taboo
and many evangelists and Pentecostal has been Kicked out of the country Banning Most of them, The reason is While Trying to convert 10 or even 100 the methods they use could end up Creating a rwanda style massacre there because they tend to cross the Line Many times with their conversion methods, example is Targeting Little Kids as young as 9 Years Old coming back from school and trying to Hand them Crosses and Bibles, what happens when they get Home and a mob of 1000 people come out with their Horses and Swords waiting for these Preachers, Not a Good sight and the governemnt Is sick and tired of bailing them out so they decided enough is enough and Kicked them out for disturbing the harmony and respect that exist in the country, I don't have a problem with preaching the religion However Not kids all kids wants to do is play and have fun wait for them to grow up.

emöfine2:


Interesting. I wonder how the Fulani has acquired more fame than the Hausa – is it because of their nomadic nature?

They Stretch across Africa all the way to sudan from west africa, Plus they are in arab Gulf states so they are everywhere, Their nomadic way certainly Contribiuted to their Fame.

emöfine2:

I actually thought it would be Hausa. Intriguing.

No, Fulani Are way More famous.

emöfine2:

lol @ red bolded
He was a Nigerian Kanuri?

Yes He was, I should've Known it too It's easy To Pick Them Nilotic People, If you press the Right button they would Pop like popcorns.lol

emöfine2:

Lol so the supporters of APC are baggara?

supporters of APC are More Arabised African Tribes who resided In darfur few Hundred Years ago, The sudanese Army is different and were mainly made up from The baggara's, The darfur rebels were also made of Baggara's, Darfur Technically doesn't belong to Neither since the arabised Africans Came from the North Sudan and settled there and the baggara are actually from Chad Originally, slowly Over the years they Both kept Stretching Till there was No more land to take over Unless its the other, and BOOM SH*T hIT THE FAN. with baggara's stubborn ways and Africans they think they are arabs (Nubians and jalaba's) The sudanese Government were Like "Oh sh*t we can't control This" so at the start the sudanese Givernment were neutral and tried to break it up till chad's president who share same tribe as the baggara and Libya's Gaddafi who hated al bashir Started to help the darfur rebels and then Bashir turned it to a political Fued and supported The supporter of APC, and the rest is History. The only problem is you never Play political Fued in your land and with your own people either way you will Lose.

emöfine2:

Yep. What Zidane is to football is equivalent to what Federer is to tennis – such finesse and artistry both men portray, and even though they’re sportsmen they embody such skill it’s almost like performance art – well at least to me anyway.

I really Like federer I have met him twice actually and he is A humble person too. Zidane The berber Machine i Think its hard to find people who dislike him These days his skills was a joy to watch.

emöfine2:

Funny that both are technically or sort of African. One is Algerian the other is half South African

Who is half south african?

emöfine2:

Lol. One thing I detest about football is the “extremist” fans. I can’t understand how the often titled “beautiful” game can create such brutes over a 90 minute performance. I think English fanatics are perhaps the worst I’ve come across but no doubt Africans love football lol.

lool English Fans would turn from "Against Racism" activists to "Neo-Nazi's" after a beer session at the pub.

emöfine2:

Lol. I should definitely got to Egypt

you would Love it, especially for a Nigerian you would Relate to many things, Reading about lagos always remind me of cairo the hussle and Bussle of everyday Life, Plus i found That Nigerians always spot the egyptain Trickery before the Egyptian has even thought about it, lol But sight seeings and Holidaying is very good There.

ifyalways: Lovely and interestinf thread.

Ta Xaxa,what language is your lingua franca?which type of marriage is dominant in your place.

Hello Ifyalways,

The Lingua Franca Language In Eritrea Is Tigrigna,Arabic and english, I can speak these three plus another two. But usually alot of people end up speaking other Tribe languages without resorting to those Three. About Marriage Im not quite sure of your question But There is every sort of marriage. Religious Marriage/Modern/Tribal/Cultural Etc. It all depends on How The family wants to celebrate but usually Include all these In few days of celebration. It all depends on your Timeframe and budget. But the weddings is usually taken over By your parents as it seems they celebrate More than you and that's Unnegotiable so they would always try to make it a wedding people would remember.lol

emöfine2:

Are Fulanis more known in East Africa and Arab countries than Hausas?

By far The fulani are more Known, Infact Any eastern African apart from sudanese who hasn't been on the net would know Fulani but would have No Idea what is hausa, In saudia arabia and the Gulf Countries all black citizens are Known as the Unofficial Title "Fulani", when you see the majority of the saudia arabia National team who has western african Features they are all Known as Fulani Regardless of their background. Fulani would be the most recognised west african Tribe In arab country especially In the gulf states.

emöfine2:
Lol I see. I’ve never met a Kanuri person face to face before. He may have just been an anomaly though.

He was Crazy, Funny Crazy though he Loved arab Girls, I met Him when i went to Egypt for a visit Last time in my hotel, he was by himself with no arabic so i let him tag along with me and my crew, He was Chasing Egyptian Girls All Day everyday.lol Didn't had much Luck at the start Till i gave him few tips and he was Running away from them after that, lol He wanted to Buy an ak47 for self protection on the second day there. lol He fell In love with this Egyptain Girl there and decided to stay Longer, I had to Fly back but Had an egyptain Friend There to check up on him till he left since Egypt could be Nasty for people who don't have No one there, He left few weeks after Me from what my egyptian Friend told me, But Lost contact with him since then.

emöfine2:
Lol they have been living in Nigeria for years now just like the Hausa, Fulanis and Kanuris have been living in Sudan for many years.
They are a minority in Nigeria plus I’ve never heard any wild stories about them.

These people are a handful, But also an asset For Nigeria, The darfur Rebels are Mostly made from them, and the funny thing is the sudanese army is too.loool They are Like the agressive Version of Fulani's If they need to be, I have met a few and they Like plotting what ever it is, either plotting to get a bargain on groceries or world domination.lol They would test you to check your nerve, They have a mix Feeling about Eritreans,Eritreans Helped Darfurian Rebels and established a H.Q for them In Eritrea's Capital But know of Eritrean Blood Link with the beja people of east sudan who are not a fan of each other.

emöfine2:
My favourite African footballer kinda doesn’t qualify since he played for another country but nevertheless I love Zinedine Zidane

Zidane Is a legend.

emöfine2:
Oh ok. What did you notice from the interaction between Nigerians and their North African counterparts?

I don't see much from what i observed, But Since some East africans and Nigerian can Get along with each other the funny place to be is at a place watching an african Cup game between Nigeria and a north african Team, I relaised Egyptian and Nigerian Are cool with each other and compliment and respect each other, Morrocan and algerians sook if they lose but would congratualte Nigerians sitting down after the game, Tunisian on the other hand and Nigerians from the last time I watched was going to turn into a rwanda, Racism/trash talk is the norm between These two offcourse Both don't understand But i understand Arabic and a nigerian Person would tell me what the rest are saying, and since some East africans Understand Arabic and watching the game as neutral by half time They are cheering for Nigeria and fed up with the tunisians, By the end of it a somali Guy who was Just sitting trying to enjoy the game ended Throwing a water pipe into a tunisian with bad Mouth and burned His arm, the tunisian said " Lets beat these black Apes" and the somali Understood it.lol It only take One somali to understand and the rest of the somali Got the message the other tunisians had to kick Their friend out and apologise looool I don't know if you heard But somali are Known among East Africans to have a short Fuse and wouldn't let anything like this pass.lol

emöfine2:
Haha.
I wonder why they liked the name. Isoko is actually a legitimate name in Japanese.
I in Isoko is pronounced as E - Esoko.
Actually I’ve noticed that a lot of ethnic groups in Nigeria begin with the letter I lol.

Egyptians Like Exotic sounding Names, From My experience anything with Multiple letter words and ending with "o" or "a" is catchy Phrase for Egyptians, The reason in my Opinion is because Its just Unlike arabic, words They like alot is Burkina Faaso, Droogba , Etooo, Akocha etc.

emöfine2:

Lol. Well I got the quickest name change in history. Notice the digit at the end of my name.
Plus I had to keep on changing my password just to be recognized. I think the site is still a work in progress though.

Hahaha Oh yeah you had a name Upgrade. New Look for 2012 Good stuff.

emöfine2:
Have you listened to any Congolese (Kinshasa) music? – if so you probably have heard Lingala.
Lingala is also spoken in parts of Angola and Congo Brazzaville. The language is quite beautiful.

Pidgin is corrupted English. In Nigeria (and other coastal nations in Anglophone West Africa) we manipulated English into our own syntax.
You may see pidgin being spoken often in this forum and you may have heard some Nigerians speaking this dialect before.
If you know patois (Jamaican English) Pidgin is similar.

I am Looking into it Now. Very Interesting. I love West African Cerole English, especially The Liberian/Sierra leone.

emöfine2:

I remember a quote from an Eritrean. He said Eritreans only kneel down for two things, when we pray and when we’re shooting lol. I probably badly paraphrased that though.

Correct. You got it Right.

emöfine2:

Interesting. I’ve always regarded the Fulani’s as fearsome people though – well I guess they must be to travel the length of the desert and Sahel belt.

Fulani People have something which is very good, They are loyal to the land where they reside no matter where they are, That quality Earns them respect, n In Eritrea there is a poverb that Eritrea Chooses you Not the other way around.

emöfine2:

Do you know much about the beliefs of the Kunama’s. Apart from the concept of one god Is Anaa similar to Allah in other ways?

Here is all the Info of Kunama Traditional Belief.

http://www.baden-kunama.com/beliefs-RELIGIONS%20IN%20ERITREA%20Part%204%20%28RKPHA%202001%29.html

emöfine2:

Are not the Hausa/Fulanis distinguishable from the indigenous population of Eritrea?

Very Hard to pinpoint a fulani/hausa In Eritrea these days, The integration with Nara/Tigre/Beja/Kunama and the way they dress you can't Guess it since they are also fluent In Eritrean languages, Beside All Ethnic groups In Eritrea Excepet Rashida Arabs Come in all shapes,shades,Features These days since all ethnic groups in Eritrea either split from another or been mixing with each other. To tell you the truth I think the group In eritrea are more Fulani than Hausa But since The hausa are Linked with the fulani In west africa Many people presume its the same in east africa.

emöfine2:



Hausa and Fula are not the same; they do not even belong in the same language family.
If you mean: do the Hausa and Fulani people speak the same language – well that depends.
When you explained that some Hausa/Fulani’s assimilated with particular groups in Eritrea it reminded me of the dynamics of the Hausa and Fulani in Nigeria.
From what I’ve been told many Fulani’s in Nigeria speak Hausa even as a first language; even to the extent where some Fulani’s don’t even speak Fulfulde anymore. So in Nigeria it’s more likely that a Fulani speaks Hausa than Fulfulde and for a Hausa to speak Hausa. Hausa is the dominant language in Northern Nigeria.
In other West African nations housing these two groups, the situation differs.
In Nigeria the Fulani’s and Hausas are somehow merged forming a synergy thus the term "Hausa-Fulani" but some of them have intermarried. Only in Nigeria is the term Hausa-Fulani even relevant. In Niger for example the term Hausa and Fulani exists separately.

Very Interesting. I think In east africa Fulani is also Counted as a seperate from hausa, Infact In arab countries and some part of east africa a hausa would be labelled as fulani to make it easier for identity.

emöfine2:

I don’t know too much about the Kanuri people unfortunately. The little I know of them is all researched. They are concentrated in the North East and their language is classified as Nilo-Saharan. That’s why I asked you if Kanuri was perhaps probably similar to Nara. But I don’t know if Nilo-Saharan and Nilotic people share similarities other than the name of their language group lol. The Kanuris just like the Hausa’s and Fulanis are also reported to have a significant diaspora in Sudan and Eritrea. I wonder if you have seen any Kanuris in Eritrea.

The reason i ask is because I remember a kanuri Nigerian who was hot headed lol and i thought maybe the whole ethnic group are hot tempered. The kanuri and Nara/Kunama are both Nilo-saharan they could easily be from the same parent tribe before they split in the nile valley. I am not sure about kanuri In eritrea is there is they might have integrated with the nara.

emöfine2:

Hmm . . . I don’t know to be honest. Hopefully a Hausa or Fulani could shed some light.
However there is an ethnic group in Nigeria that is said to have originated from Darfur and Kurdufan in Sudan. The Shuwa Arabs or Baggara in North East Nigeria originally come from Sudan. They are neighbours of the Kanuris.

Oh god you have Baggara In nigeria? looool Be careful of them. They are a handful.

emöfine2:

Well Boko Haram is not tribe specific. Some of the members from this sect comprise of Kanuri, Hausa, Nigeriens, Chadians, Fulanis etc.

I gotcha.

emöfine2:

Okocha is Igbo lol.
He’s your favourite “Nigerian” player. So who is you favourite African player?

I have many: Abede Pele, Okocha, Aboutrika from Egypt and a nigerian player long ago his name is emmanuel amunike (not sure of spelling) he used to play for my favourite team when i lived in egypt and used to go and see him and play when i was a kid.

emöfine2:

Interesting question, I wonder what made you ask this lol.
I can’t speak for every Nigerian but as far as I’m aware of we don’t harbour any national hostility towards these nations. But as for Libya, well our government and the Former Gadhafi Libyan government were not exactly the best of friends. It would actually be interesting to ask a Muslim or Northern Nigerian this question because of their history, geography and religion (those corresponding to Islam). But as for me personally I’m pretty interested in Morocco particularly their architecture and I would like to visit Egypt someday but my heart is open to all nations from Africa.

Its from experience that is why i asked.

emöfine2:

Haha.
Ivory Coast? Hmm I seriously doubt it but maybe it depends on an issue i.e. Naija/Cameroon rivalry is exclusive to football. But still I doubt it very much.
In terms of football our “rivalry” is mainly with Ghana and Cameroon.
In terms of politics our “rivalry” is mostly with Ghana and South Africa.
However Nigerians and Ghanaians have an interesting relationship where both nationals can automatically become oppositions to each other for the most trivial of things - always wanting to outdo each other. So I would perhaps describe our relationship with Ghana as a sibling “rivalry”.

Good stuff.

emöfine2:

Nigeria has a significant Muslim and Christian Population. But the percentages differs according to some stats. However it’s often approximately cited as 50/50 ± but usually the slight majority is awarded to Muslims. I still have my reservations about certain statistics as largely I don’t have faith in how they are executed.
Also there are a few who still practise traditional religion like one poster called PAGAN9JA.
And some mix animism with the imported faiths.

I see.

emöfine2:

Lol I wonder what made you ask this. Well Northern Nigerians and Southern Nigeriens are pretty much the same; they are brothers. Northern Nigeria and Southern Niger is the official homeland of the Hausas plus they share other similar ethnic groups like the Fulani, Kanuri etc. A northern Nigerian should be able to relate well with a Nigerien.

Thanks for the Info.

emöfine2:

Nigerians don’t harbour a national hatred for East Africans. Superiority complex may be there but certainly not animosity.
What have been your experiences when interacting with Nigerians?
You want to visit Nigeria and I would love to visit the red sea in Eritrea

Very good so far. I met Igbo Nigerians In Holland Few years ago and i must say the Group of them were very Nice people, I met many hausa/Fulani In egypt when i lived there. Youruba i still haven't met any yet.

emöfine2:

Lol. You may not have heard of my ethnic group – even some Nigerians don’t know it.
I’m from a minority group called Isoko that come from Delta State, Southern Nigeria.
However I was born in the North

I have Heard of it, A guy In egypt who went to my school was from that Ethnic group and few months later every Egyptian Kid in the school were calling him Isoko instead of his Real name, the egyptains liked The name alot more even the teachers were calling him that, so i have heard of the Name but don't know much about it. some egyptains in the school would even ask nigerians who were hausa/Fulani if they were Isoko and they would get Irritated lol They would say what's with the egyptains in this school and isoko. they would pronounce it Isoookooo .lol