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brocab:
I am not sure where you would like to start with this, and I am not sure you know either.
But by your page you really sound like a JW, you are either been taught by them, or are you a seven day Adventist?
Well lets start by finding your answers, what is your gut feeling telling you bro-how much more evidence do we need, the bible works in two ways, you either believe it {Which is Spiritual} or you don't believe it {Which is flesh}
I believe you already know the answer and maybe its either been push so far down-and it's been a long time since you really heard about the word of God-and recently the Word is knocking on your door once again-and after hearing some teachings from either the JW's your own feelings isn't the same teachings you had received before. It seems your personal knowledge is about to surface, and at this present time the teachings you are receiving is confusing what you already know. {Is this what you are asking?}
Is this why you are seeking after the truth-tell me in your own words who Jesus is to you? And we could go on from their.
If you are truly seeking the truth bro you have come to the right site, the truth will set you free.

Brocab.. Just try and lets be honest that's all.

Leave denomination here.. Am mostly concerned about the Bible. No denomination gives life, the Bible does! Or you may argue that out..
Let me rephrase( God gives life, we learnt about him from the Bible)
So. Leave out my denomination.
Let's face the Bible.

ElGabi:
no sir

Why?!

I guess this is your aim

Come down and copy the codes..

callmebeauty:
divine healing I pray O Lord for this woman..

Really crying!!

brocab:
I find this out of texts when are you JW's ever interested in the KJV, it's your bible or no bible you believe in.
Forget the KJ read the 1611 version, this should give you a better insight how the bible was translated from the Latin language to the English version, and to have so many correct manuscripts, that is translated-shows the flesh can't answer your questions but the Spirit of God can.
If you are sincerely seeking for the Plain facts, bro, then become a born again Christian as the word of God tells you to be, and then try and question your own answers. Its only the word of God that sets you free. And if you still refuse to believe then Look up {Isaiah 7:14} Behold a Virgin shall conceive a Son and His name Shall be Called Immanuel {Matthew 1:22} confirms the birth of Jesus fulfilled the Prophesy.
{Isaiah 9:6} Describes Jesus as "Wonderful counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father Prince of peace".
And please explain why these scriptures are calling Jesus these names, if Jesus isn't the Father-no one has seen God at anytime-only through His Son we see His Father God?
So what does this mean? You yourself have agreed God isn't a person-because no-one has seen God at anytime.

Kai.. Uncle.
Did I ever mention to you that am a Witness?
Know this in your heart, and let it ring.
You could see how I broke down
John 1:1 and John 1:14.. using clear, truthful words to back up the write up.
Which you honestly agree to.
Just later on.. You left the last part. And dropped long list of other verses.
Am not arguing whether Jesus is God or not. I did want to know. Isn't that simple a request?

SirWere:
Evolution is talking about HISTORY of biological organisms on earth.


Really, I don't know why people want to think evolution gives a damn about how the first cell got here.

Lol.

How would you have answered, where did we come from?

brocab:
{John 1:18} NIV Bible-No one has seen God at anytime, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God.
It's only through Jesus you can see God.
{John 14:8} Philip said, "Lord" show us the Father and that will be enough for us, Jesus replied, Philip I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me, has seen the Father. How can you say show us the Father. because in {1 john and John 1:18} clearly states no-one has seen God at anytime, because God is Spirit.
And if God's Spirit resides in His Son then the Son and His Father are One. I and the Father are One.
Now this is cool.

I don't want to comment on that now bro.

Don't lets deviate, we are taking Kjv in sight.
Don't forget I told you am interested in Kjv translation... thanks..
Oya back to my question.
I'm sincerely seeking for the plain fact, bro.

brocab:
Explain to me clearly in which way you would like me to explain this scripture to you. I think the KJV's spells this verse out as it sounds.
Their are many bibles that explains it the same as the KJ's, And If you are asking me to agree with you about {John 1:1} and John 1:14} yes you are right-you can clearly see the scripture and you believe, I believe it too.
{Amplified Bible John 1:1} In the beginning {Before all time} was the Word {Christ} and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
So until you explain to me what actually how you would like me to answer your question, then nothing I write would make any sense to you. unless you are a born again Christian?

That's cool. Cleared Christ is referred to as God.

But, what does john later meant in verse 18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Which God is john talking about again?
Jesus?

brocab:
But even in the Garden of Eden how many people did Adam see? "One" Adam said He had seen the Lord God walking in the Garden-before Adam was made, God Said Let Us make man into our own Image-who was God talking too? And who is Us?

Brocab, I'll assume you haven't seen my mention.

Niflheim:
@tempem....................................................YOUR QUESTION: where do humans evolve from?



SO YOU THAT CLAIM THAT YOU KNOW EVOLUTION TO BE FALSE, AND YOU CLAIM THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT EVOLUTION, IS NOW ASKING ME WHERE HUMANS EVOLVED FROM?


ANSWER: Both humans and apes evolved from "*PROTO-PRIMATES*"!!!

And from where do we have the proto primatives.

[quote author=andymoorey post=47529757][/quote]

I did appreciate this.

I'm indeed concerned about John's statement at John 1:1 and John 1:14, then other John's statement...
My translation focus is Kjv. Thanks.
Other bible's verses might suit another thread. Thanks.
If you can explain this, ride on.. But before you continue. I'd love to see brocab answer me first, he's emphazied on Kjv.

brocab:
Right on brother {John 1:1} spells it out pretty clear, that Jesus isn't just a God" He is "the God" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God-Jesus kept on repeating Himself I and the Father are One.
So if this doesn't answer your Questionnaire, then nothing will.
If I was an JW atheist then I couldn't believe in such knowledge-because this knowledge doesn't come from the world, this knowledge can only come from the Spirit of God, the Almighty reveals such wisdom and knowledge into those who have chosen to believe, my flesh and my mind is carnal {Romans 8:6-7} The mind govern by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God, it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.
{1 Corinthians 6:17} but whoever is united with the Lord is one with Him in Spirit.
So this information I give to you, does not come from my flesh, but the Spirit of God in me reveals this to you.

Are you really here for me.. .
Please,are you?
Just answer me, If I was right with that my initial quote you mentioned. That's what I seek for.

Niflheim:
"So because we have same number of fingers with apes means we came from them?"................................................................JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!! Now I am certain that you are just trolling!!! Are you sure you came here to learn? I shall repeat myself again!!!

I compared the following:
1.Chromosome Count
2.Near-identical skeletal frame
and 3:External features which includes the finger print count AND THE LANUGO HAIR WHICH APPEARS AT THE SAME TIME IN BOTH THE HUMAN AND APE EMBRYOS.................................AND DISAPPEARS AT THE SAME TIME IN BOTH HUMAN AND APE EMBRYOS!!!...............................................................http://ideonexus.com/2013/10/20/evolutionary-wonders-in-a-newborn-baby/

So, where do we(human) evolve from?

SirWere:
Roots? Which roots??

Evolution never pretended to know the origin of life, stop this charade.


And, trust me, I'm not "defending" evolution. If I were, I'd be using more technical language

Believe me, I know. Knowing an honest person doesnt require long effort. When one is honest, he's honest.
Take this, joor.

Niflheim:
@naijadeyhia

Coming to an online forum with nothing less than 1.6 million members, to "CLAIM" that Evolution is about "ants with human heads", then being corrected, and yet, STILL CLAIMING THAT YOU CAME HERE TO WHIP PEOPLE'S ASSES, is a sign of Intellectual Dishonesty!!!

Its not true.. The facts are obvious!!
The fact that you can put grammars together, speak confusingly and not convincingly doesn't mean you are speaking the truth or you are honest.

Am interested in evolution,( am not saying I just want to start learning about it, I want to believe) but before I venture in it, is it reasonable not to know the basics that formed it?
You are the uniformed, here... You only lay claims to theories that has been proven wrong.
Even SirWere was kinda honest than you are.

Brocab, please come to my aid.. You are viewing.

andymoorey:
After you read John 1:1, try and not skip verse 2 then explain it to us.

Parallel Verses
New International Version
He was with God in the beginning.

New Living Translation
He existed in the beginning with God.

English Standard Version
He was in the beginning with God.

Berean Study Bible
He was with God in the beginning.

Berean Literal Bible
He was in the beginning with God.

New American Standard Bible
He was in the beginning with God.

King James Bible
The same was in the beginning with God.

Am not arguing that out.. What am seeing are two different entity. But I want to be sure if Kjv rendering harmonizes with other Apostle John's statement.
I started with the basics, at least everysane human going by Kjv rendering of Jonh 1:1 would believe John referred Jesus as God.. . But does further statements proves that something is wrong with Kjv rendering?

SirWere:
Thanks for the correction.

Nice answer, though.
But, don't you think, the source of a fact should be well grounded, before its branches or the other way round?

My point!
Evolution central idea comes from the single cell.
Now if the source isn't grounded properly, is it safe to rely on that theory

SirWere:
Again, brother, evolution has absolutely nothing to say about how the first cell occured. It only talks about what happened after the first cell occured.

The branch of biology dealing with the problem of the first cell is abiogenesis, bro.

You just nailed it, bro.
A bottle of odeku for you!! That's what we are saying.
If Evolutionist couldn't account for the genesis of the first cell, how could assumption( which hasn't even been proved right) about how the Tracing of all organisms emerged from that first cell, they knew little about?
Does that make sense?

brocab:
Just read {John 1:1} this scripture spells it out pretty clearly who is the "ONE GOD"
Of course your bible says otherwise-but as we all know, you don't know-what we know, and the Spirit of God is not in you-for you to know.

Bro, does john 1:1 and 1: 14 harmonize?
Am not just getting it.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
Who was the Word/ God?

Answer
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14. Jesus is the Word.
Obviously, going by John 1:1.. . That identifies Jesus to be God" and not "a god", right?

naijadeyhia:
C



A guy after my own heart. I love the way you are reasoning.

it's simple, honesty is what we beg for here.. No one is backing religion up here. Infact, religious view has no stay in this thread.
Keeping tight, bro.. We still rock on.

SirWere:
First off, Evolution deals with modification of organisms to their enivornment. It has nothing to do with the creation of the first cell, which is abiogenesis.


Secondly, I said "Nature IS STABLE", not vice-versa.


C'mon

I said

The basic truth is, you still haven't gotten a firm hold on what evolution is all about.
Even if I were to take your own personal definition of evolution, what accounted for the first organism that modification had to occur from

SirWere:
First off, Evolution deals with modification of organisms to their enivornment. It has nothing to do with the creation of the first cell, which is abiogenesis.


Secondly, I said "Nature IS STABLE", not vice-versa.


C'mon

I said

So, bro. You meant there has never been nature in stability, Right?

SirWere:
You can't "see" something evolving now.......

Evolution is one of the slowest processes of Nature. Infact, Nature "resists" evolution because evolution implies Change and Nature loves stability.


But, then, there are examples of single-celled organisms evolving a resistance to antibiotics.



And, of course, The E-Coli Lenski project.

Just hear yourself!
If nature isn't stable now, what probability do you have that it was extensively stable back then to have produced the most simplest cell which scientists believed isn't simple.

naijadeyhia:
So if elephants and mammoths shared a common ancestor what or where is the proof of that ancestor?

I've sent you a pm, bro.

larabae13:
Hmmn interesting

You feeling it?

naijadeyhia:
What you have are always supposedly dead samples of mammoth but no sample of what that mammoth itself evolved from?

You see to make the evolution theory plausible if you say an elephant evolved from a mammoth what then did the mammoth evolve from especially since thd mammoth was bigger and more intimidating than the elephant so why would it downgrade to an elephant which is smaller.

What did the mammoth evolve from?

Nifilheim.

Niflheim:
"You just nailed yourself".................................This is proof that you STILL do not understand Evolution!!!

I asked you a question, the answer I was expecting was a "YES" or a "NO"................................The answer that I got from you is:" You just nailed yourself"

P.S.: Anyone who "thinks" that Evolution is about a monkey turning into a bat.......................HAS LITERALLY CRUCIFIED HIMSELF!!!

Then what is evolution all about?
And yet, bear in mind that we should at least be seeing something evolving now, which might evolved fully in the future, maybe we can know.
Thanks, bro.

mizzbouqui:
Humanity

Mizzbouqui Kai, I hail..

DeeCherry:
1.Why do we call a building a building, if it’s already built?

You don't finish building, trust me. There's lot of thought in that quote. You keep building a building.

Am suspecting a fowl play. I've always loved the uncapped than this capped, they are not trust worthy on the capped datas.