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omojeesu:
You mean physical maturity? Is that enough reason to grab such not even a teenager and have carnal knowledge of her?

Does she understand the meaning of love or marriage? Can she deliver a baby successfully? I now see clearly why vesico vaginal rectal fistula will continue to be on the rise among Muslims. I also understand that there is no age limit to marriage in Islam (ref: MURIC Director, Sunday Punch 6th March 2016).

The girl child has come to suffer in Islam. I now also understand Boko Haram abductions of young girls and other abductions of young girls in the country (see today's Sunday Punch). Also the promise of virgins in Aljana to good Muslim men (what is in Islam for females now and hereafter?)

If the French man wrote that, did he justify s..e..x.. with minors?

I'm deeply sorry for females in Islam especially the poor, illiterate ones in villages. Western education has 'librated' some, though.

ransomed:
::- Since you know all these and i begged you to help preach to them to stop but, you hesitated by concluding that they are dumb, deaf and blind and will never come to the path. Why don't you try first? Try your best and let the creator convict their hearts in order to convince them to tow the path of freedom, peace and justice. Are you afraid to preach to them because they are prone to violence? We need peace, do us a favour by warning them to desist. Thanks

Mindfulness:
Do women who travel to Saudi Arabia have to cover their bodies and heads? Yes or no? Are foreign women allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia? Yes or No? Are minorities in Saudi Arabia free from these laws? Yes or no? You can't force people to believe but you can force them to submit to practices based on your religion.



I couldn't care less what your prophet wanted.



You sound like a broken record.

Mindfulness:
Do women who travel to Saudi Arabia have to cover their bodies and heads? Yes or no? Are foreign women allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia? Yes or No? Are minorities in Saudi Arabia free from these laws? Yes or no? You can't force people to believe but you can force them to submit to practices based on your religion.



I couldn't care less what your prophet wanted.



You sound like a broken record.

Mindfulness:
And yet many Muslims use people who lived centuries ago to justify child marriage.
And States impose their beliefs onto their citizens even though beliefs can never be forced on a free mind.

ransomed:
::-- They derived their strength and ideology from the Path you proclaim and subject to. They are following the footstep and culture of abductors and kidnappers to increase membership and converts in illegal and lawless form.

Mindfulness:
You have clarified nothing. Have you missed the part where Montesquieu wrote that "in those countries, infancy and marriage generally go together."?



In New Hampshire you can get married at the age of 13 in cases of "special cause" with parental consent and court permission but definitely not against your will.



Who cares?



Fortunately, the world has changed unlike religions.




It is.

Mindfulness:
CHAP. I.: Of domestic Servitude.
SLAVES are established for the family, but they are not a part of it. Thus I distinguish their servitude from that which the women, in some countries, suffer, and which I shall properly call domestic servitude.

CHAP. II.: That, in the Countries of the South, there is a natural Inequality between the two Sexes.
WOMEN, in hot climates, are* marriageable at eight, nine, or ten, years of age: thus, in those countries, infancy and marriage generally go together. They are old at twenty: their reason, therefore, never accompanies their beauty. When beauty demands the empire, the want of reason forbids the claim; when reason is obtained, beauty is no more. These women ought, then, to be in a state of dependence; for reason cannot procure, in old age, that empire which even youth and beauty could not give. It is therefore extremely natural, that, in these places, a man, when no law opposes it, should leave one wife to take another, and that polygamy should be introduced.

Where did I make a comment on the prophet?




So what if it was a norm back in the day? Does it make it right?



Genocide was a norm too in human history. Does it make it right?

Mindfulness:
His name is spelled (Charles de) Montesquieu. Now quote the source, in which he allegedly said so. And then again, how was he qualified to determine the age at which puberty begins for Arab girls?

aribisala0:
So then what is the role of the Sultan and Emir. The Sultan after all is the leader of Muslims do you think they need to come out to clarify why these people are being taken to their palaces . Or do you not see the damage being done to the reputation of Muslims. How would Muslims react if it had been Muslim women would they not have burnt some churches and beheaded a few "infidels" like me as your brother described me earlier?

aribisala0:
So then what is the role of the Sultan and Emir. The Sultan after all is the leader of Muslims do you think they need to come out to clarify why these people are being taken to their palaces . Or do you not see the damage being done to the reputation of Muslims. How would Muslims react if it had been Muslim women would they not have burnt some churches and beheaded a few "infidels" like me as your brother described me earlier?

omojeesu:
Please educate me on The Prophet and his marriage to Aisha. Is that allowed for Muslim men?

Mindfulness:
How did people in Saudi Arabia agree on their laws? Is it a representative democracy now? Have I missed the latest news?

aribisala0:
I have a different opinion and we do not agree that much is obvious. To say I am myopic or shallow minded is not only provocative but rude and naturally likely to lead to the opposite of "peace" so I do not think those words are "Islamic" or maybe they are . Maybe that is a sign that the discussion phase is over and we now move to the stage that is more familiar to you.

For me it is possible to disagree peacefully.

You keep going on about belief in God while failing to address the abductions. Please deal with the issue of forced abduction and conversion

abbey621:
You still don't know what you are talking about! Any place where one group or belief is a majority, the minorities always feel neglected or unsafe. Trust me I know what groupthinking is and it is an undesired effect especially in management, based on your theory since Christians represent majority of those in Vatican city and since we've had cases upon cases of child molestation associated with high ranking members, it is safe to say that Catholics are condoning the attrocities, come on even you can see how lame that is! The fact still remains you don't judge the existence of many based on the actions of a few. Muslims represents 1.7 Billion of the world's population, extremists makes up less than 5% of that, extremists exists in all religion and that's all there is to it!

aribisala0:
I never told you I am an atheist . What I am is irrelevant. I see you do not wish to discuss the issue of ABDUCTIONS OF NON MUSLIM WOMEN BY MUSLIMS. That is the issue here NOT me so stop derailing


Again logic dictates that if God created me as you would argue then than God would need a creator and so on. If God does not need a creator why do I?



The truth is I do not know but I also know tha Muhammid was in the same position as me he did not know either.

aribisala0:
I do not characterize him only as a highway robber ,that was just one of his professions ,he had others ..........

aribisala0:
Prophet was NOT chosen

He achieved this by violence
Caravan hardly had women?

Where was the prophet's wife when she disappeared triggering rumours of infidelity

Read up what the prophet did to the Jews of Banu Qurayza


You need to face up o the truth about your prophet

He was just a man and I agree with him Jesus was just another man too

Let us eschew all these foreign fairy tales

aribisala0:
Let me show you the evidence that your argument is silly

1in 4 follow him therefore they must be on to something

4 in 4 Meccans worshipped their idols before he came so they must have been on to something even greater No?

Also today according to you 3 in 4 DO NOT FOLLOW him what do we make of that?

You have no argument and are desperately clutching at straws

aribisala0:
Are you saying Muhammid did not hijack caravans?

For those who do not know caravans were simply a procession of Camels and animals travelling across the desert in a large number carrying a lot of goods and wealth.

Many Arabs in those days attacked such processions robbing them of valuables and you guessed right(WOMEN). They would kidnap men for ransom as well . That was how Muhammid lived while he was is Medina. In short the Modern day equivalent of a highway robber and we can see where Boko Haram draw their inspiration

aribisala0:
I want to expose you that is why I want you to deny it first

aribisala0:
Are you saying Muhammid did not hijack caravans?

Lilimax:
Huh?

aribisala0:
What does the expression "What your right hand possesses" ma malakat aymanukum mean? stop deceiving yourself.

The Quran says so many contradictory things which many so called Muslims deny. The fact is simple Muhammid advocated peace when he was in Mecca and had no political power. After he fled to Medina he became more militant and then Allah "allowed" all kinds of violent behaviour like hijacking caravans and so on. So people often make a distinction between Meccan Suras and Medinan Suras the latter being more violent in tone.

I am not a Christian and my criticism is not about promoting Christianity.

I have studied the Quran very well and it is the work of man. No doubt at some point a man in contact with his Higher Self but at other points a man motivated by politics power and selfish drives. How else does one explain Allah not finding anything to say in his revelation but to tell his prophet that it was okay for his adopted son to divorce his wife so he could marry her.

When you say The Quran says there is no compulsion in religion this is true but it also says that there is compulsion. Not only that there are countless hadiths of people who were given the option of being killed or converting

ransomed:
::-- Do us a favour by Preaching this to your brothers. Thank you.

naijadeyhia2:
Rebecca was 20yrs old when isaac married her as against mohammads craving for a 6yr old to be his baby mama

INJESUSNAME:
muha is d best example for Muslims to emulate, since most southern Muslims refuse to follow muha acts such as child marriage, the north can call them false Muslims.

rugged7:
Ain't judging anybody...
I asked a simple question.
Maybe you have residual comprehension deficiencies...

rugged7:
Ain't judging anybody...
I asked a simple question.
Maybe you have residual comprehension deficiencies...

mentorandfriend:
The Jihad is on, but no one knows.

joyandfaith:
convert infidels, used and perfect them for suicide bombing

aribisala0:
have you actually read the Quran ? because what you write is untrue. The Quran sanctions the taking of unbelieving women BY FORCE
Qur’an 23:1-6—The Believers must (eventually) win through—those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess—for (in their case) they are free from blame.

Qur’an 70:22-30—Not so those devoted to Prayer—those who remain steadfast to their prayer; and those in whose wealth is a recognized right for the (needy) who asks and him who is prevented (for some reason from asking); and those who hold to the truth of the Day Of Judgement; and those who fear the displeasure of their Lord—for their Lord’s displeasure is the opposite of Peace and Tranquility—and those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess—for (then) they are not to be blamed.

Qur’an 33:50—O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war