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Handsomeemmy: No one is having crush on me

I have always had a crush on you.

[quote author=Larry-Sun]I Won't Go To That Lane With You. And I'm Sorry If You Felt Insulted By My Words.[/quote]On the contrary, I was never insulted. I enjoy a good discussion. So you can not be friends with someone who does not believe the way you do? That's a bit narrow minded, don't you think?

jackbauersballs: But again how can you worship a God of dual tendencies?

And if his creations have the power to choose, is there Good in the devil still?

I personally do not think God created man in his image.

I believe we created him in OUR image.

I don't want to argue. There is no use in it. I will not concede and neither will you. Where does that leave us: NOWHERE FAST!
What do we do here? Are we going to stand toe to toe forever? It serves no purpose. Smile . Lets be friends, and talk about something more productive.

IZUKWU: Evil is bad

Bad it is.

@ jackbauersballs
I'm going to use a portion of your name here. Guy! Is it always "Balls to the wall" with you. You're killin' me here. Can't we just agree to disagree.

jackbauersballs: So what is good about a God who can choose to save but doesnt?

Freewill implies Duality. It implies that one is completly free to choose to do as he wishes.It implies a propensity for both Good and Evil.

So why worship an entity that is just as fickle-minded as we are?

Without duality there is nothing. I don't consider the right to choose a fickle-minded institution. It is what a wise person does everyday and revels in it.

jackbauersballs: I think have me confused with someone else though.

I haven't asked or said the things you think I have.

Admittedly, I am a bit curious about you though...

Nope, it was you. You said almost those exact words to me before. And the interest part was intimated at that time also.
And I believe I answered the "free agency" question already. Must I repeat myself. You seem to forget me every time I speak. No offense.

As a matter of fact I followed you at that time because you tickle my funny bone so.

jackbauersballs: Is free will an excuse to avoid interfering with evil?

If you had the opportunity to save an innocent life, but chose not to...can you claim you are a good person excersising your free will...or just a passive abetter of evil?

Also If we follow your logic, A God who has freewill to ignore opportunities...surely should appreciate freewill in the kingdom of man?
Why then is there an explicit threat of Hell for his non-compliant creations?

Evil is the absence of good, not the other way around.

Uyi Iredia: There are 2 ways I replied this. The first as a Christian. The second as . . . guess

1st reply:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able doesn't?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able to prevent evil, but not willing doesn't?
Then he is omniscient
Is he both able and willing?
Yes
Is he neither able nor willing?
No”

God is able & willing >>> but doesn't >>> the key word is DOESN'T >>> God has his own will & sense of good & evil
independent of yours >>> apparently 


2nd reply

Is man willing but not able to prevent evil, then he is powerless ?
Is man able but not willing to prevent evil, then he is malevolent ?
Is man able and willing to prevent evil ? Then why does evil plague
men ? Is man neither able nor willing ? Then why does he call
himself man ? - Uyi

You are good. I tip my hat.

jackbauersballs: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God" -Epicurus(Greek Philosopher)

Texanomaly what's your take on this?

This is what I said after the "What does Seun believe" thread was taken away. After not being able to get the question off my mind, this is what I offered:

I was recently involved in the, “What does Seun believe?” thread. I am NOT trying to resurrect it. The discussion has been on my mind since that time. Some said that they could not understand how God could allow Satan to tempt good people, and then condemn them to hell for succumbing to that temptation. There were also those who thought it was unfair that God allows bad things to happen to good people. I am not here to preach or to argue. I am not here to try to change anyone’s mind, or condemn any religion or belief. I would simply like to get the thoughts rolling around in my brain, out.

For anyone who feels that God is unfair, I offer this: The belief that God “allows” temptation, or that He allows bad things to happen is inaccurate. I believe, it is BECAUSE people are good that Satan concentrates on them. Satan does not bother with those who are wicked. They belong to him already. He has no reason to concern himself with them. He concentrates his efforts on those who are trying to do their best. He revels in chaos and confusion. It is not God, but Satan, who is responsible when bad things happen to good people. This is my opinion. I am not trying to step on anyone else’s beliefs.

In the previously mentioned thread I talked about “free agency.” My statement was this: One of Gods greatest gifts, aside from the Atonement, is “Free Agency.” We all have it. Unfortunately, we have no control over others, who may impose their agency upon us. The influence of others in our lives and the lives of those we love is not God’s acquiescence (acceptance). It is simply His respect for the gift He has given us.

I say again, I did not bring this up because I want to reintroduce the “Seun” discussion. I simply wanted to get these things off my mind.

jackbauersballs: Aww...
You really are so sweet.

You've said that before. I think you are being facetious, but thank you.

[quote author=Mazi_Omenuko]Evil is not rooted in money, but in the 'love' of money.[/quote]Money, my friend, or the love there of is the root of all evil. *I stand corrected*

@ Crazy- It is not my job, or the job of anyone else to prove anything to you. This is why I don't argue religion or politics. The issues are too personal. These are matters that are deeply felt on both sides. I don't mind giving my opinion, if asked. I am grateful for a platform to show my view, if I so choose. I am equally grateful that you are accorded the same privilege.

Tex

jackbauersballs: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God" -Epicurus(Greek Philosopher)

Texanomaly what's your take on this?

I don't know if it was you who asked this before, but I answered this exact question in the "What Does Suen Believe thread. Let me go back and check.

Thank you for that. Your input is appreciated.

CrazyMan: You don't have any answers do you?

1. Christ had to experience ridicule and be killed. He had to take upon himself all our sins in order to know us, and to Atone for us. This is how he knows us. He knows what we are going through. He understands and can forgive because he knows our anguish.
2. I am not confused at all. I have faith. And I have witnessed his love and comfort first hand. You can not go through what I have, and not believe.
3. I have all the proof I need in my heart. I speak to Him daily. He answers my prayers.
4. My practical experience exist. He was there, in a real sense when I needed Him. I KNOW this to be true.
5. Thank you for acknowledging my right to an opinion. I like you. You don't give up. That is an admirable quality.

Thanks again for making things interesting.

Uyi Iredia: Christ's death I understood to overcome spiritual death and reconnect man with God. Physical death occurs. Maybe you mean Christ helps one overcome through bodily ressurection at the Second Coming. Am I right ?

You are a smart guy.

@ Crazyman I say again, Jesus volunteered. God did not say, "you are going, get down there." You keep trying to make the same argument.
It does not fly. While I appreciate your opinion, stop beating a dead horse. Come up with another argument, or lets agree to disagree.

Uyi Iredia: It does. I simply disagree with their reasons for reasons of my own.

Will and Intellect are one and the same
- Baruch Spinoza.

You are a learned man. I do respect that. Thank you again for commenting. This discussion is a productive one, I believe. If only to give anyone who chooses, the opportunity to state their opinion.

striktlymi: Cool video!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR8qIrJcJh4

Uyi Iredia: God gets pass marks for free-will. For hell, I must say I'm sorry I once excused God for being lovable and good while eternally torturing people. I can understand why it's okay to some but I no longer subscribe to it. The gift of life you should also appreciate with the gift of a certain death. Even assuming it's a passage to eternal life, that doesn't erase the sorrow it has caused. God gets part blame for making death a punishement for disobedience. I say this b4 He is excused on account of man's infraction.

But it is through Christ that man overcomes both spiritual and physical death. The plan is just.

Uyi Iredia: Theory and facts go together. While I thoroughly disbelieve the theory (on which I'm well-informed), for reasons which I can articulate when I'm chanced, I think you should know why evolutionists themselves say it is fact. Well, madam, the fact is there are lots of scientists who don't believe God and think science has shown the idea of God useless - I differ. I'll take the bolded to mean that the structure as revealed (and explained by science) in our natural world connotes a God behind it.

I should have qualified the bolded. It is impossible for ME not to believe in God. So noted, thank you.

joni2time: Incase u forgot , it was whn man committed that sin
Before he was casted down to earth. GOD being
Benevolent gave man the opportunity to choose b/w
Good nd evil. Then whn u compare GOD,s love with that of man, I will start asking questions about ur state of mind. Cause the gift of life is enuf love talkless of sending his only son to die for our sins .

Okay, I am sorry, truly. I don't understand what you are saying here. I can not comment on it.

[quote author=Larry-Sun]You Should Read Your Bible More Often.[/quote]Thank you for valiantly defending what you believe.

Uyi Iredia: "Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any
kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith." - Max Planck.

Faith, I take to be belief. Reason, I take to be justification or contemplation of a belief. They are 2 sides of a coin which complement each the other.

Thank you for that insight.

God is our Father

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR8qIrJcJh4

[quote author=emma_best2000]Time is money[/quote]Money is the root of all evil.

@Uyi Iredia Evaluation is not a proven fact. It is a theory. I agree that science does not disprove Gods existence. I believe, as a scientist, it is impossible to not believe in God. Thank you again for commenting.

@ Crazyman First of all Jesus did nothing wrong to be punish for. He volunteered. He chose to take this on himself. I am not a theologian. I don't have all the answers. I only know what I believe, and what I have felt first hand. I am only stating my belief. I give you your right to believe the way you choose. Please give me the same right.

I know that Christ lives. He is my savior, my redeemer. I know that He gave his life for me. I know that He loves me. I have felt that love all my life. Even in times when I know I did not deserve it. He loves me. He comforts me. He justifies me. He will never leave me. He is my friend, my brother, my confidant and my Lord. I will praise Him all my days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aup9M5HZawI