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fornication is a very deadly sin.
" Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."(1corin6v18-20)

Logiboy03:
"There is no evidence for god or the supernatural. None"
the fact that you have an eye to see, and ear to hear, a mouth to eat, legs to walk,
water created for you to drink, plants for food and medicine etc prove that there is a supernatural being
who created all this and not just something that comes by accident.

Logboy03:"FYI......I dont believe in god or the supernatural"
Because you know nothing of the supernatural.

Logiboy03:"Five wise men?

What nonsense. Do you even hear yourself? Five wise men?"
there is a supernatural wisdom that you do not know about .

"Why not? Afterall, he has to have a successor."
those that are in a position to be a successor are not family members they are young men called the five wise men who
do the exact works he does.

there is a difference for example when he leave the world you think the family will have full control of the money?

"It is a lie that he doesnt hoard money in the bank.


With which money is he using to fund his tv station and his peeps in European universities?"
What he is saying he does not own a personal account, the money he used to sponsor and help people is under
the organization account.That what he is saying.

LOGOBOY03: "While what he is saying is good, it doesnt apply to him. He is lying."
What is a lie ?

the Synagogue Church Of All Nations, SCOAN, has chuckled at media reports that he is among the five richest pastors in Nigeria, saying that while riches are better than squalor, he does not even keep a bank account.

TB Joshua was reacting to a report by a blogger with Forbes, the American magazine that keeps a tab on the world’s rich, that he is the third richest pastor in Nigeria.

The Forbes blogger, Mfonobong Nsehe, had said that after intense research, he established that TB Joshua is worth between N1.5 billion and N2.5 billion, making him the third richest pastor in the country, after Bishop Oyedepo who is worth N27 billion and Chris Oyakhilome who is worth between N4.7 billion and N7 billion.

But, in a statement released by his church, the man in the Synagogue, as TB Joshua is known, said that while he is not against wealth, he is not a rich man and does not own a private jet.

He said: “Since the inception of this ministry we have given out all we received from God’s generous hands. We have made it our daily habit to give to those in need – the widows, widowers, physically challenged, little people, the fatherless and those rejected in society.

“All of this can be seen on Emmanuel TV – a station established to change lives, change nations and change the world by examples of how to spend more on others and less on ourselves. “We therefore cannot be categorised among the wealthiest in Nigeria because what money we receive is not accumulated but rather given out to those who need it most.”

Continuing, Joshua said: “Apart from money, assets that classify one among the wealthiest are not in our possession. For example, houses around the world or private jets. It is true, we do not own a private jet – not that there is anything wrong with owning one. They are a blessing and can be used to further the Gospel. But we do not own one. We are definitely not among the wealthiest in Nigeria. Take note, we are not against the wealthy or the richest or having private jets, assets or houses all over the world. We are definitely not among because there is not enough to keep.

In an interview yesterday with our correspondent, TB Joshua said that it does not make sense to accumulate billions of naira while there are millions of needy lurking all around him.“I will rather feed the hungry than to keep the money in the bank,” he said.

wiegraf:" Quote Post
Would morality exist without conscious beings? Or is it just a construct in our heads? Are there deeds that would be universally accepted by any conscious being as being good or bad regardless of species, creed, etc or any form of bias?

For instance 1 + 1 = 2
Or the speed of light is constantly c (c may vary though, depending on the medium the light is traveling through)

No alien species anywhere in this universe could come up with different answers. Are there any actions that would be deemed good universally as such?


Sometimes objective morality is associated with trandenscental morality, while subjective morality is associated with empirical morality. More on that in this fairly long post.

www.nairaland.com/1090616/biological-basis-morality

To quote

"Every thoughtful person has an opinion on which
premise is correct. But the split is not, as popularly
supposed, between religious believers and
secularists. It is between transcendentalists, who
think that moral guidelines exist outside the human mind, and empiricists, who think them contrivances of the mind. In simplest terms, the options are as follows: I believe in the independence of moral values, whether from God or not, and I believe that moral values come from human beings alone, whether or not God exists."


Anyones welcome of course, but no holy book quotes or arguments based solely on religious doctrine. Go elsewhere if for one you cannot understand that most of the world doesn't share (and probably doesn't particularly care for) your particular faith.

I say it is subjective, and/or empirical. Cannot elaborate atm due to time*. What say you?


*no vex, silly I know. just want to generate activity of a particular sort"
There are things spiritual supernatural in which though a particular law may be applied and infallible in things
related to natural yet may not measure up to certain reality. Truth is not complete until it measured up with supernatural reality. One scientific laws says "matter cannot be created nor be destroy" yet scientist believe the universe has a beginning there by contradicting there own laws. 1+1=2 is not an all round truth , in the supernatural man and woman joining together in marriage are one in spirit.

God bless you for this share

OSAX:
"firstly, i want to commend the SCOAN for a kind gesture. but not to forget G3 pastors(oyakhilome,oyedepo,adeboye) are doing thesame even bigger in their churches not being published like t.b joshua. i know of pastor chris kind gesture is way bigger than that of t.b joshua,, b ut nobody hears about it. he pays no social media to sell it and tell it to the world. its between him and God. other churches are doing thesam"
How can we know what you are saying is true ? it is easy to speak about the "proveless". what t.b joshua do in giving even publicly is a necessity , remember the money he gives is what he receives from members of the organizations. it will encouraged more people to give as they see where the money is going . When the people of the world see pastors acquiring jets without seeing their love and care for the poor and destitute is that a good sign ? I have nothing against them acquiring jet but only God can judge them in that area but to tell me this people are doing more than t.b joshua is senseless.

Logiboy03:"Sorry but science and logic doesnt work like that. We dont just guess when we cant find out. There must be evidence and a solid theory behind the conlcusions."
There is a theory that state matter cannot be created neighter be destroy.It is proven by logic.Now if matter cannot be created nor destroy this means scientifically the universe had no beginning? To accept that the universe has a beginning applying the law of matter proves that it only came into existence supernaturally against the law of matter or nature.

Logicboy03"Who said that something comes from nothing?"
what am saying is in the natural laws, nothing comes out of nothing but it is a prove that the universe came out of nothing. To deny that the universe came out of nothing , created by an intelligence being , is senseless since when you traced back it origin to the last second you will reach the point of the nothingness.This proves it supernatural existence.

"We could be in an oscillating universe. There is no evidence for god. I didn not jump into any conclusion. I started from what we know- the big b.ang. You jumped into a conclusion that god did it.

Religious people like you said that Adam and Eve was a true story until scientists understood evolution. God has been shrinking rapidly since the 19th century."
I know you will not belief an aircraft coming into being without being made but you will want to belief the existence of
a universe with perfect sequences which came into being by chance, without being created by an intelligence being ?

Logicboy03:"Science has solved many mysteries and will continue to do so as god shrinks from everything."
The day science solve the mystery of the origin of the universe is the day they will confess the supernatural.
there is no natural law that proves that matter can be created out of nothing. Friends that touches the supernatural.

Logicboy03"It took god 4 seconds to create the sun


1) let

2) there

3) be

4) Light

Science has proven god wrong. It took millions of years."
I know with God all things are possible but the time interval was not written. In fact the bible say thousand years on earth is one day with God. Even if you believe it takes a millions years , if you trace back until you reach the last second of the million years , you must agree with the supernatural creation of the universe , or you will never find the mystery behind it creation. What do you say ?

logicboy03:"Well, we dont know and scientists are trying to find out.

However, you engage in god of the gaps argument to jump from "we dont know" to "god did it"
But you also jump into conclusion that "no god did it". Until you bow to the supernatural creation of the universe
you can never find the mystery behind its creation.

Logicboy03:"Formation of galaxies takes billions of years
But your god created the sun in seconds"
I do not know how much time or seconds it takes for God to create the universe but I know it was created supernaturally.
Can you imagine an aeroplace coming into being out of nothing ? Trace the origin of the universe to the last dot and you will reached the supernatural of its existence . What do you say ?

"The big b.ang is an expansion of space- space is something."
How does space came into being, if space is something ? When did it came into being ,until it started expanding ?
There is something therein which contradict natural laws ?

Logicboy03:"Well, there is the science of the big bang to explain the beginning of the universe for now.

There has never been evidence for the supernatural. The consistent pattern is that the religious will claim something, only for science to debunk it"
Ok big bang explained how the universe came into being . If matter cannot be created neither be destroy how does it came
into being , if that does not contradict natural laws ? what do you say?

Logicboy03, The complexity of the human body alone, the cells , the tissues how all this serves for the growth body alone
will proves there is a divine creator behind all this? It is not a mistake ?

'A car is not a living organism. One adapts to the environment by default, the other doesnt."
How about the sun, planets , sea non living things more complex than a car or aeroplane came into existence without
being created?

Logicboy03:
You seemed not to belief on the supernatural , don't you think their is something supernatural about
the initial existence of the universe? do not the initial existence of the universe and all creatures contradict natural laws ?

"Look, go and read."
Okay at least highlight your evolution points . By the way, have you ever dream of seeing the possibility
of an aircraft, Car etc coming into being by accident? Is it possible ?

'Logicboy03"
"Read about evolution. Google is your friend."
Evolution theory sees only what is going on in nature , like the way you see a child grow but the mystery
of the the power behind such sequence revealed a creator?

LOGICBOYS03:
"From a natural process not a supernatural one.

I am not a descendant of a Hebrew man called Adam. (Civilization started in Africa not the middle east)"
Now did you think , this natural sequence came into being by mistake, with a perfect consistence for a thousands of years?
Think of the sperm, the power to fertilizer an egg, by mistake ? Think of the milk to feed the baby , by mistake?
Think the function of the mouth at the right position to take the milk ,by mistake ? What about the stomack to digest , the anus to excrete ? all this sequence are by mistake. Can you relate me an example of such natural hapening in such a perfect order that comes into being by mistakes with a consistence even just for a few years?

"Logicb0y03:If your god is perfect, how can an imperfect animal be representative of a perfect god?"
The creator is greater than the creature.
Now how do you come about ?

Logicboy03:
You do not believe in the existence of God a creator?The presence of creatures revealed the presence of a creator ?

Atheist , did you think , the planets, revolving of the planets around the sun, the sun to shine for the day, the plants
to feed man, the eyes to see, the nose to breath , the power for corps to germinate and the millions perfect sequences of nature just came into being by accident ? Yes their are many factors that can makes you doubt the existence of God but their are many others factors ,that should make you to belief the existence of God, a creator ?

m.k.o 2005 wrote:"If you give them go say na congregation money ,if u no give them go say congregation give you and you no give them back !
Humans,funny set of beings!" you are very right friend.

When are you going to buy your own jet?
When I say I don’t have cash…(laughs); when I say I don’t have money, cash like this, where would I get money for plane? But I want to tell you something: there is nothing bad having a private jet. But the only condition I can have it, if God says I would have it, is for people to give me. And when you give me, you should also be ready to pay landing fee because I don’t know how I would get it. But I want to tell you that if ministers of God have it, there is nothing bad about that. It aids the gospel. I tell you that our fathers that have it, there is nothing bad about that. The way and manner God executes His plans in our lives differs. Some ministers, God says: ‘You, you would not have a private jet, I would send people to give you.’ While some, God says: ‘You, buy it, with your money.’



I am not supporting those who are criticising the ownership of jets by men of God. It is true that there is difficulty in the society, there is poverty everywhere, but trial is the soil in which true ministers of God flourish. But I am not criticising because the way and manner God executes His plan in our lives differs. But as for me, I know, that even every car I have there, there is no single one I used my money to buy. Since I started this ministry, there is never a day I have been able to gather money. If I have one dollar, one responsibility is there to take the dollar. If I have 20 dollars today, 200 people are waiting to take the 20 dollars. It’s like having these things attract responsibility. I even say I don’t want money because money brings responsibility.