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macof:
Wrong, Yoruba have no Bini influence outside eastern kingdoms close to Bini
Oba is yoruba pls
Idu is also yoruba
Eko could be but I don't speak all Yoruba dialects. .
I read once that in Ife "Teko" is Farming
Eko could be farm, farming in Awori/Ijebu

That is a blatant lie and benin influence in Yoruba is glaring

Must u be abusive

MrPresident1:
You are ignorant. Let him answer my question.

MrPresident1:
Which Edo are you?

Bini, Esan, Afemai, Akoko Edo, Owan, Eka etc?

Knowing his origin I think is pointless what is imperative the historical fact here Bro

macof:
You are really not bright. . Hatred has dulled ur intellect. Try to calm urself and break free from hate, whatever offense done to you by a yoruba person can be forgiven

Nobody is denying Bini descendants in Lagos

Lagos state has Ekiti, Ijebu, Oyo, Egba, Bini, Awori, Egun, Itsekiri descendants
But let's talk Eko (Lagos Island ). .. The Island is owned by Awori - Aromire , an Idejo had his farm at the island , the site where the Bini descendants settled while he settled at Idumota - his lineage are still present there wit their palace
Oba of lagos having Bini ancestry doesn't make Lagos Bini property - it neve was, if it was the idejo cannot still be claiming the LAND- the Bini lineages in Eko don't dispute this
The Bini descendants settled in Isale - Eko, up till Enuwa where Idumota began
Aromire still holds his land
The Oba of Lagos doesn't own landed property by virtue of his ancestry, he owns only influence and respect

with this analysis I think Benin man was oduduwa cos they seems to have influence in Yoruba instead of Yoruba having influence in Benin hence the term oba is a Benin word just like Eko and idu

Passed there today via cms

macof:
where in lagos? Why not take a trip to Isale-Eko

I am i

macof:
Why not go down to Lagos to find answers boy

n


In lagos now

9jacrip:
@ the emboldened: do us the favour of listing these traditional chiefs

This isn't condolence register or moratorium


I just stated facts ....puncture them if you can

NigerMan1:
What really is the problem of Yoruba youths of this age? You guys need to re-create yourself to overcome innate phobia and fireball of hatred for the Igbo from your subsconscious minds. All along you took me for an Igbo, while 'off siding' the content and principle of the discourse. It's a pity.

More often than not, you people draw the first blood and when confronted with facts, you replied with barrage of insults and abuse, and you do this shameful acts even when the topic is national or HISTORY.

You wrote: "History, despite having its root in acadmia can be used as a tool of propaganda and grandstanding - ask the ibo about Biafra war and they'd tell you N.Army did not shoot a single Biafran fly until Britain, Soviet Union and Egypt got involved LOL!"

Gradually you and two others subtly accepted the fact "Yoruba History" was written to 'favour' and 'used as a tool of propaganda and grandstanding' and I love this admission. Sorry man, true history are not. History must be legit, open-minded and versed. Your comparing war with level of history on this thread is like comparing Apple with Tomato.

You wrote: "Yoruba take a sense of pride in their history very much and an average Yoruba has interest in Yoruba history. Thus, you cannot be mad at the nationalist emotions that come with it. Just deal with it sir."

How you take pride in your history is none of my business; if you like go climb mount Everest and shout your heart out "Yoruba people are the first children of God, bla bla bla" However when you put forth your 'tool of propaganda and grandstanding' history, endeavor not to trample on the BENIN HISTORY.

Now start going round, throughout Yorubaland, inform your kits and kin. who're IGNORANT to stop saying "Edos are Yoruba". However if you insist to cross your bound, then be prepared to hear the TRUTHS that hurts.

thats a classic

what is wrong with these yorubas, the one you think that he is sensible will make a mockery of himself, they will say something and they will deny it after been confronted..,

Why do the yorubas hate igbo this much and other tribes

They said that they are sophisticated nobody complained, voted APC nobody complained, is it a bad thing to vote a different party. IGBO DO NOT HAVE HEARD AND FLOCK MENTALITY


I am sick and tired of Igbo this, Igbo that by yorubna


can we read something else



I am disapointed with wole, i wonder how he got the Bobel Prize with his Kongi or Conji book, writing children stories like lion and the Jewel


My yoruba friend please dont hate/hit me, I am just stating the facts

it can be disgusting

Oba
Doctor USA
the movie Gut =Gbolahan
FFK


all denied their statements when confronted, can you give igbo a break pls, what the hell is wrong with you dudes, or your elites?


I am sorry but this is sickening, I must say

The sanctity of marital union is one aspect of Igbo culture that has remained very strong in spite of the pressure from modern religion and western culture. This is probably because the church as well as Igbo society have realised the great values contained the the marital tradition of Igbo land.

In the first place, unlike the western culture which regards marriage as a union between a man a a woman, Igbos regard marriage as a union between families, kindreds, societies and nations. When a man marries a woman, he instantly becomes an extended member of his wive’s family. This also applies to the woman. For this reason, a marriage contract is usually drawn between families (where the two parties are of same community) or between communities (where they are of different communities). It is contracted in the presence of kindred of both families. Depending on the Igbo community involved, the steps involved in a marital contract range between four and seven. During the process of taking the steps, all doubts about the character of the bride and groom are resolved. This includes the character of the families and lineage (agburu) from which they came. Unacceptable traits discovery means that the other party may decide to withdraw from the contract before the marriage is completed.
Most of the steps involve asking of questions (iju ajuju) concerning the character of the bride and the groom to avert any traits that could possibly lead to a quarrels or separation in the future. Another important step is the ineta uma (to know the character) or what may be called courtship. During this time, the girl involved goes to live with her suitor for a few weeks. She is able to know the personality and character of her future husband and to have hers known also. The marriage process is usually so complex and the tradition forbids anyone to rush into a marriage without going through the processes.

The culture recognises marriage as a life-time contract which must never be broken. It also recognises that marriages are not a bed of roses and advises their children in-line with this belief. It insists that a man or woman must maintain his marriage in all conditions and must always reconditions his/herself to ensure the survival of his/her marital life. There is a saying that “a wife/husband is like a parcel. No one can know the content very well. But when you get home, whatever you find in your own parcel, you take it as it is. If you are lucky, you could find a delicious soup and pounded yam to enjoy. But if you are unlucky, you might find a snake or a scorpion. Whichever you find, you have learn to live with it.”
Divorce does exists but is very rarely resorted to. The culture frowns seriously at divorce. People who are divorced are blamed no matter the excuses they give. It is assumed that they were just incapable of managing a family. Neither of the families will encourage the break-up of a marriage of their children. The process of divorce is equally so complex and difficult. This makes it that people who are divorced find it difficult to marry someone else as people avoid them in belief that they do not have acceptable and marriageable way of life. Most of them usually have to go to the cities where they could marry someone who was of a different town or tribe. Yet the ajuju (questions) step in the new marriage they plan to contract will usually stall their plans as their new suitor discovers that they are “martially in-acceptable”. Such people may end up either marrying non-Igbos or remain unmarried for the rest of their lives.

The process of divorce is also very complex and this discourages divorce itself. The families of both partners will have to gather many times in the way in which they had gathered to contract the marriage. They do not gather to dissolve the marriage but to resolve the problems involving their children’s family. The first to gather will usually be the kindred of the male who usually aims at discovering the reasons why their son’s marriage suffers. After critically looking into the issue, they will issues blames and advises to both man and wife and this will rekindle the peace and life in the family. If a fault is found in the lady, they might (in a difficult situation) refer her to her own father’s family to advice and counsel her.

No one person or couple can by any means contract a marriage and no one can dissolve it. Most times, family member will refuse vehemently to get involve in dissolving a marriage since this is view as unacceptable to the ancestors. It is said that even the ancestors had problems in their marriages and since problems are inevitable, but if they resorted to divorce, would never have given birth to us. Why should we therefore resort to breaking our own marriage rather than given birth to another generation? Since the couple cannot dissolve the marriage without the kindred, they most time get tired by the complexity of the resolution process and end up going home to manage their family affairs. They also learn better family management from the more experienced elders in their kindred. Divorce is a last but very rare resort in Igboland.
A man who chooses to become polygamous does so to bring a helping hand to his older wife. He most time discusses with her and sometime involves her in making the choice of the bride. A man will not marry a new wife in order to slight an older one. In this way, a new wife respects and adores an older one knowing that her marriage was sanctioned by her. Love is usually shared equally among the wives. Any view that a man favours one wife above another is frown at by the culture. A man will therefore not divorce a wife because he had or prefers another. Polygamy in Igboland involves complementary and not supplementary wives. This is the reason why a man will rarely marry a new wife against the wish of his older wife. This is also why modernity has gradually moved Igbos toward monogamy since most women now prefer to live as lone wives rather than have nwunye di (co-wives). The new institution of monogamy, besides being regarded as economically wiser, shows the choice of Igbo women and exemplifies the respect which Igbo men have for their wives.

ABOUT WOMEN’S PROPERTY RIGHTS

Igbo is majorly a patrilineal culture. Women are always expected to be married and to enjoy the wealth they found in their husband’s home. Their inheritance is with their husband and not their father. This is also contributory reason why women can’t afford to remain unmarried or to seek divorce. This pattern of inheritance cannot be termed discriminatory or denial or rights but rather an ordered pattern of property ownership. It is actually absurd for women to have rights of inheritance from both their fathers as well as their husbands house. Lands are sacred and family shrines are kept by men. Sometimes a women is married in a far distance community or town or even into another tribe. What will she really do with a property owned by her father in his home community since she no longer belongs there? Anyone who does not belong to a community by a patrilineal process is regarded as a stranger no matter how long he lives there. Owning and living in a house in a town you don’t belong to is like owning same in a city.

In modern time when people own properties in cities and town other than their towns of origin, many may choose to will properties to their daughters. It is advised that people who wish to do this should back it up by legal means since at death, the male children become the custodians of their fathers properties and the women relocates to their husbands home and take custody of the properties there. However properties in the man’s ancestral home CANNOT be willed to a woman no matter the law invoked in the will.

The names you have listed are compounded. Remember that in Edo language, sentences or phrases tend to coalesce into single words with the vowels elided or euphonic letters inserted, making it difficult to determine the precise words, which are the component parts of such a phrase. The first four letters "Idun" could have been shortened from Idunwun meaning "district" or "area" or "section".


Thus:
"IDUNMAGBO" would be district of 'magbo'.
"IDUNGANRAN" would be district of 'ganran'
"IDUNMOTA" would be district of 'mota'
"IDUNTAFA" would be district of 'tafa'


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The meanings of 'magbo', 'ganran', 'mota' and 'tafa' will be difficult to pin down precisely now but could have been shortened from any one of numerous Edo names - probably names of Warrior settlers or other such relationships. They might even be names of villages or village groups conquered and brought into Eko - the prisoner of war camp. Either explanation would make sense because the names you have provided are mostly districts in Eko (now Lagos).

The second possibility is that the first three letters stand for "Idu......" where Idu stands for a well known ancient Bini idol.

There is a whole vocabulary of old Edo that relates to architectural and other technical items (including weapons and military formations). I may need to check on this to really know whether there are other meanings not only for the Idun... words, There are several members of the royal family on the list. I am copying this message to them.

Stay in touch. We will certainly call on you to get materials for such a link to celebrate our ancestral ties.

There is much to be re-discovered.

whitecat1:
Oshodi is a family name.

Lekki = Swamp

Idumagbo = Ram/Agbo station(someone just told me this right now)

Idumota = Imota annex, Imota town in the outskirt of the state

Eko/Erekosu = Island

If Benin have the gut let them come and point to one thing that remotely looks theirs in Lagos. The only thing we have with them is there are some Yoruba people cut in to Edo when states were created other than our son ruling over them as their first Oba!

Yoruba colonized benin, if not, you won't be seeing Edo people bear Yoruba name. You will never find a Yoruba with benin name, never!

Yes, I can shed some light on the connection with Lagos, which was a colony of Benin for many years, ruled by Edo viceroys. The modern name Lagos was derived from one used by Portuguese explorers - "Lago di Kuramo".

But the original Edo name for Lagos is "Eko". Oba Orhogbua, who had earlier been educated and baptised at a Portuguese school in Benin, founded it as a prisoner-of-war camp in the 16th century. [Orhogbua was the son of Esigie]

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Because of a falsely rumored coup back home he returned to Benin from where he dispatched his grandson Esikpa to return to become the first Eleko of Eko. Esikpa was himself succeeded by his sons Edo and Guobaro respectively.

Beginning with Esikpa, most Elekos had their remains returned to Benin for interment. [Chiefs of Badagry were also buried in Benin.] Shortly after the amalgamation of North and South in 1914 there was a brief Eleko crisis in Lagos when indigenes demanded a reestablishment of their traditional monarchy. In 1915, responding to requests by Lagos indigenes, Iyase Obaseki and Obazuaye were dispatched by Oba Eweka II to testify about the Edo antecedents of the Lagos Monarchy.

To this day, many genuine traditional titles in Lagos are Edo titles. There is a direct blood link between the royal families of Lagos and
Benin. And if you pay very close attention, Edos are very prominent and successful in Lagos life. A fair number of "Lagosians" have Edo heritage even though a large number have acculturated their names with the Yoruba majority.

You can verify this information from the Palace of Oba Oyekan.

9jacrip:
Lol alright, I hear you.

But you do know some submissions are better left to pass because they do are not worthy of a thorough response?

In every nonesensical Submission there is sense in it, so we learn in funny ways just as we are doing here.../

9jacrip:
Lol alright, I hear you.

But you do know some submissions are better left to pass because they do are not worthy of a thorough response?

i dey shame for them

NO WONDER SHE IS SEXY UNLIKE ALL THOSE YORUBA WOMEN WITH FAT ARSE AT THE AGE OF 27 THEY LOOK 39 TOO MUCH GBEGIRI , SHE IS SEXY AND PRETTY, SHE BURNS FAT..UNLIKE ALL THOSE MY IGBO GIRLS THAT HAVE BIG TUMMY MAYBE YOU THINK ITS 6 MONTH PREGNANCY BUT ITS JUST TOO MANY NKWOBI AND MR BIGGS JUNKS


BABE KATE, KEEP IT UP DEAR

NigerMan1:
tonychristopher - yes you are right. You know Onitsha, like any other communities in the present day world, attracted many different migrants over centuries and MIXED together to form a whole. However that does not vanguish the influece and ANCESTRY of Benin in parts of Igboland today. In fact, the Obi of Onitsha is partly Benin.

However let me say that not only Dr Azikiwe discovered and published their findings.

Do you know the great ICT scholar, Dr Philip Emeagwali ? Read what he said below:
------------------------

"I was born in Akure, (miwestern region) and Igbo by heritage. As a native Onitsha Igbo, I trace my ancestry to Eze Chima, a prince who rebelled against the Benin royal dynasty and emigrated from the kingdom.

"Other Igbos that trace their lineage to Eze Chima include Onicha-Ukwu, Onicha-Olona, Onicha-Ugbo, Obior, Issele-Ukwu, Issele-Mkpima, Issele-Azagba, Ezi, Abeh and Obamkpa.Native Onitshans speak a dialect of the Igbo language with several Benin/Yoruba words such as "Obi" (of Onitsha) and "Oba" (of Benin). In fact, the word Onitsha (Onicha) is a corruption of the god "Orisha."

"The bini name for River Niger is Ohinmwin. The Onicha Igbo call it "Orinmili." In a few years, we will have DNA tests that proves (or disproves) the Onitsha-Benin-Yoruba connection. In fact, a lost dialect of the Yoruba language, called Olukwumu, is spoken in Brazil and in a few Igbo communities named Anioma, Idumu-Ogu, Ubulubu, Ugboba, Ugbodu, and Ukwunzu (M. A. Onwuejeogwu, 1987 Ahiajoku Lecture). The absence Olukwumu in core Yoruba land proves that these communities are the Lost Yoruba Tribe that were fleeing from slave raiders.

” – Source – from his official web 2011

Yes we all came from somewhere and orimili is an igbo term for big water and onitsha is beside big water

If EZE chima is edo ...can you tell us the edo name
we know oduduwa edo name so tell us

But I do not dispute edo. Influence migration and culture is peripheral part of igbo land

I concur with u

9jacrip:
Ibos of course, I have no reason to be sneaky.

IGBOS have nothing to do with this ...this is an intellectual discussion and if igbo revised anything in Yoruba history tackle it with superior argument and postulates


But we are doing this so that we and unborn kids will know the truth and that of oduduwa myth ....it's a myth and not a fact


So leave igbo out of this


Do you know that igbo can claim oduduwa is an igbo with very superior argument so what you do is puncture that with better submissions

That's how to debate and lay bare facts

Wulfruna:
Not very likely. NigerMan1 is a lot more coherent than Tonychristopher.

I am not him and I was typing with my phone and busy with some stuffs in office so I tried to point out loopeholes not make an international submission

Thanks for noting

TonySpike:
I suspect Nigerman1 and tonychristopher are one and the same person. I personally don't trust tonychristopher's antecedents on this forum for a start. He goes unstable at topics regarding Yoruba history; he takes it on himself to determine issues of Yoruba history

Ad hominen bacculum

That's a course in philopsophy and logic

You are leaving the subject matter and attacking origin
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Is that how you make intellectual submission

NigerMan1:
MrPresident1 - thanks for your contribution. I thought you'll have a 'masterclass' contribution because I remember your folks invited you to come and tackle. Bro you fall hand o!

You wrote: "I have gone through all your posts Nigerman1, it is you who is full of bitterness toward the Yoruba for 'distorting' Benin history and 'claiming superiority' over other tribes. I dare you to go through your own posts again and give yourself a fair assessment. You are the one who is filled with bitterness."

Over the few decades, through my experience with most tribes, ethnic groups and languages in Nigeria, I discovered that SELF-HATE and Bitterness are actually a RESIDUE among most Yorubas. It is very difficult to found a Yorubaman who mediates between his kinsmen and another tribe, without being BIASED.

You said "I have gone through all your posts" and concluded am full of bitterness? Am still at a loss why I should be bitter? For rejecting your wild claims, lies about Benin history and putting forth facts and figures now make me BITTER? Nawa o!

And to show how biased you are, you failed to see your fellow Yorubas using foul languages as you did in this post? Some of them described Benin history as "Crap"? About two guys called others as "a waste" - yet you did not mention those!

As for 'claiming superiority' I did justice to provide evidence of that, why did you failed to notice? Bro 'claiming superiority' has become an integral part of daily Yoruba social cultures which is affecting most of you today. For example; claiming you're the "most educated, or have more PhD or Professors in Nigeria" and when someone proved you WRONG with facts and statistic, you responded with INSULTS - just as you did in this post.

How do you describe this: An Edo person meet a Yoruba (even the starkest of Yoruba) and the Yoruba person spew to the Edo person face that "Edos are yoruba?" And this maybe a Yorubaman who did not even know the name of his great, great grand father! When you try to correct him or argue with him, he either insult you or dismiss you flippantly. Why do your people behave like this - with utter disrespect for Edo people?

Moreover, you're NOT qualified to judge me at all. You're clearly on the opposing camp, so maintain your stance and leave the Discourse purely for INTELLECTUAL exchanges.


You wrote: "I do not like to indulge in this kind or arguments because they throw up histories that divide rather than promote unity, but suffice it to say that Bini came from Oduduwa. Bini is one of the children of the woman who fled Roman persecution in the East. Yoruba history is not Dogma, if you dig deeper, you will encounter what you do not like, so for everyman who makes the discoveries, for the sake of peace, you either keep quiet, or surreptitiously point the way for the keen observer with true motives to come to the same deductions as you have come.

No you do love "to indulge in this kind or arguments" my friend and your posts show you're veteran.

Or do you want me to believe you're saying this for the first time in your life? Yes, history should not DIVIDE a people, if such stories are based on pure facts and mutual respects. You the Yorubas began the journey of History distortions, manipulations to obtain social and political positions. In the event of this, you inadvertently attacked Benin history.

And what is this, "...suffice it to say that Bini came from Oduduwa. Bini is one of the children of the woman who fled Roman persecution in the East?" Yet another version of your unending "Yoruba History".


You wrote: "I do not think, however, that you have the presence of mind or the trueness of intentions to make the deductions I speak of, because you are full of bitterness"

Hmmm! What a post! Yorubaman, where else can one found persons who are naturally trained from the cradle, to throw dirty jab at another person publicly? It must be from Yorubaland - the land where mothers, fathers and elders teach kids satanic languages like:

"Omo ale",

"ori e oda, ori e ope",

"awon omoran kinran",

"iwo eranko lasan lasan,"

"koni da fun baba e",

"koni ye kale",

"oloshi buruku"

"awon eranko lasan lasan"


You wrote: " In one breath you tell me you love my post, in another breath you call it mumbo jumbo, I hope you will objectively agree with me in my assessment of you, that you are someone whose mind is a mishmash of garbage. A littered mind, cluttered and disjointed with all kinds of rabble-rousing wosi-wosi. You and Naiwu are pseudo intellectual history revisionists, and you have jammed rock"

You seemed to really hate Naiwu so much o! Wetin be him offense sef? Haba, so he's not a qualified historian, but your own Yoruba historians are world standard? Hey, na wa o - top class HYPOCRISY.


You wrote: 'Yoruba' and Bini should never have issues of superiority between them, because they are brothers. But later day historian-revisionists like you and Osahon Naiwu will stop at nothing to sever the cord of brotherhood"

What exactly is there to revise? You claimed Yoruba History is not DOGMA - yet you're fighting tooth and nail to retain fables, folklores and a web of mythologies as FACTS? Let's assume they are facts; true history must be challenged, refreshed, investigated, revisited, add and subtracted, continuous research etc - to be regarded as history. Otherwise it's DOGMA!

Nice. Observation

NigerMan1:
No my broda. Please carefully read the account of Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe. Even some Onitsha people alluded to this fact.

I
know what you are saying but not all clans are umu EZE Chima in onitsha and eze chima is an igbo that was on reverse migration but that is a different topic


Now I am trying to fix the loops in oduduwa. Story and I am an admirer of your postulation

Radoillo:
I do not even believe Eze Chime sojourned in Benin at any point, but at this stage this is still largely my personal opinion.

and EZE Chime isn't a benin name either

The onitsha are ibo and Eze chime is an Igbo that Sojourned in Benin fell out with the locals came back


THE NAME EZE CHIMA IS AN IGBO NAME

pazienza:
Onitsha are Igbos, whose Igbo ancestors once resided in Bini. Residing in Bini is not the same thing as having a Bini ancestry. A man with Ezechime as a name in Bini, can only have an Igbo ancestry.

i have sent so many links on benin ife version and we have tried so that we can find the nexus

babyfaceafrica:
if yyou don't mind send me the link..ok

SO IN EFFECT WHAT AFRE YOU SAYING, TRYING TO DISPROVE BENIN VERSION FOR IFE VERSION

IF I WERE YOU, STUDY THEM OBJECTIVELY, DETACH YOUR EMOTION AND TRY FILL IN THE GAPS, i have seen the gaps but i will want you to fill em up bro

babyfaceafrica:
so in other words just because historical facts are documented ,I must belive them? Don't you know those sore called documented historical facts were passed orally cos you an I know literacy didn't start early in Nigeria? Now what of if these people distorted the information been passed down due to amnesia ? There is a limit to what you can remember? Another thing is that just because people don't have fact does not mean what they say is false. I did literature in higher institution and I know some of all these historical facts have different versions..the one you choose to belive is on you.let's us just accept we come from one source God and move on..history has its deficinecies...God bless

YOUR FUNNY BUT I LOVE YOUR MATURITY

NigerMan1:
fineguy11 - sorry if you feel offended by that. I never intended to hurt anyone, not even when Yorubas were hurling insults at me, did I replied in kind.

However the truth remain what I wrote. Maybe I should say they married them and many of the Fulanis descendants are today Yorubas in the part of the country.

NWANYI OMA DI EGWU, ENEBE IKPU EGBUO EWU


ANYI WUSA ..UDO


NDA IJE

ifyalways:
Hahaha.
Ihe nile di oku ga emecha juo oyi.

Toshmann sef wu eze nkwa na anocha sometimes, ahu ajuo ya oyi. normal ish. Preselect,Ify na-acho gi. ugbua

Asadike,Tony na ndi ozo, happy may day.

You wan open mama put

abeg jhoor

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Throwing more light, Akenzua said: “I also read in that interview by the Ooni that the Oba of Benin used to be buried in Ife. One will ask: Where do they get all that information? I was surprised when I heard that story in Benin here. The truth of it is that if there is anything out of it, it will be in difference to Ife, which was formally known as Uhe, where Ekaladerhan had lived and Ekaladerhan’s son who became the Oba here (Benin). It was only possible that they may like their body being interred in Uhe or Ife or wherever. But if the Ooni of Ife made reference to it, it does not prove anything. To us it does not prove that Benin is Yoruba or that Yoruba is Benin.”

On the story that the Benin people went to Ife to ask for a king, Akenzua asked, “How can a group of people you do not know before just come to you and demand for a king and you will just give your eldest son to them – to go to the land you don’t know to be their king? Simple reasoning will tell you that it is not true. So when they say that Oramiyan’s son was the first Ooni of Ife, I always ask them: Which one of them?”
Akenzua further dismissed the claim that modern Benin is trying to rewrite history. Describing the allegation as funny, he went on to say: “Tell them that they should stop mixing myth with reality. Benin also have their myth of creation. But when we talk about Ekaladerhan, we are not talking myth. We are talking about something that actually happened. As you will see in this book (raises a book entitled, Ekaladerhan), up to today there are stories and songs done in honour of Ekaladerhan here in Benin. There are villages named after him where he was to be killed. That village is still there for people to see.”

Following the reference to his generation of the Benin royal family court seeking to rewrite history, Akenzua, a London-trained linguist, psychologist and journalist, laughed. He alleged that the Ooni of Ife was quoted in an interview as saying that the present Oba of Benin holds an incorrect position in the tale of the Yoruba-Benin history while his predecessor, the late Oba Akenzua II presented a differing, correct account which the current generation is trying to put aside. The prince said that is not true. “For me, since he did not say the version of the account that is correct and the one that is not, we will not be too forward. But one would have expected that in discussing a situation like this, that would have been an appropriate time for him to come out with what he said Oba Akenzua said and the other statements that is not correct so that people can know which one is the truth. But according to this newspaper, Oba Akenzua made that statement when he was going to commission WADECO, a car company probably owned by the Ooni in Ife. My father was very happy that a new company is coming to Benin. It is very unlikely that my father will take that occasion and be talking about history of Yoruba and Benin. I have the privilege of being a private secretary to my father. I am aware that all the speeches he made everywhere, the records are available. So we are waiting. Whenever the Ooni publishes what my father said at a time, we will be able to relate it to what we have here. But until that is done, that statement by the Ooni will be looked into.”
www.google.ca/search?client=opera&q=oduduwa+the+benin+prince&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=oduduwa+the+benin+prince&start=20

http://www.edo-nation.net/erediauwa1.htm

9jacrip:
I really would have loved to take on tonychristopher and kick some knowledge his way while decimating his fallacious claims but I have so much at hand right now.

I'll check back later but for quick knowledge:

1. Neither you and your link have answered my Q. Oranmiyan left yoruba impact on benin and eko, how come oduduwa did not leave any Igodomigodo mark on Ife, no matter how minute?

2. The Ooni dysnasty is from Lajamisan who was a son of Oranmiyan.

3. Your first post in response to mine stated art works of Ooni dating as far back as 11th Century yet your post to Olumide states that Ekalederhen supposedly got to Ife at 12th Century - how come figures of Ooni dating as far back as 11th C had been in existence before the Ekalederhen, the supposed founder of Ooniship got to Ife at 12th c? Did you read your posts at all?

4. The 12th C mentioned in your posts as Ekalederhen's contact and Ife growing into a city was rather the period the potsherd pavements of Ooni Luwo (female Ooni) was dated to and she was the 21st Ooni of Ife. This goes to show your Benin history posts are very fallacious.

5th. There was never any Benin empire link with Ghana, Togo and Dahomey as stated in your posts.

Let me stop here but before I go, it is apparent you're poor with history and also your twisted and anti Yoruba bigoted mind has rendered your killed your to discern between facts and errors.

I'll be back.

Some are feeling offended by my references that i am giving them, I support your intellectual approach to history, I hate fables and it shouldnt be peddled


You did a good work

NigerMan1:
nairaman66 - normally discourse that border on HISTORY should be pure academic and scholarly work, that all should enjoy. However the Yorubas has stripped this all important factors when our collective history is brought to the fore. They simply REJECT it forgetting that history is DIFFERENCE from Dogma.

They inadvertently CONCOCT stories for themselves and weaved others into it. And it's so bad when facts, figures and statistics are brought against their story, they kick and insult. Unfortunately, this trend has become part of their culture so much so that they applied this to even non-vital issues.

For example, do you remember that in the late 60s down to late 70s, the Yorubas used the media to spread several unsubstantiated stories such as they are the most EDUCATED groups in Nigeria? They are the first to study in the Universities? That they have more graduates, PhD and Professors?

It came to a head that Fani Kayode went national with this great LIES last year, which prompted many scholars to DISPEL those lies with HISTORICAL facts and dates. It was a big shame...

Its not copy and paste it just references and its intellectual research so I will not go into hear say, I will give you facts with links brother...face the facts not written by me

Wulfruna:
Am I the only one here who thinks Tonychristopher should stop already with his long copy-and-paste posts and his circuitous no-point arguments?

I respect the patience of the few folks here who have patiently and civilly been engaging him all this while.