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akuko..onye ugha

if 80% of old men speak benin why dont the young ones toe the old men or are you telling me that the young agbors are irresponsible and stupid to live their ALMIGHTY BENIN LANGAUGE

example of fake igbo and fake benin


Now my agbor friend IFEANYI OKOWA is an igbo name ,,,,it is not osas or nosa

smell the coffee

wake up

theshield:
Tell them... Igbos will not stop claiming territory to gain support. Agbor or Ika people r from tribe called Ika and they speak ika Language. Agbor Royal kingdom is extension of Benin kingdom....
According to history, the first Dein(King) of Agbor is a cousin to Oba of Benin..... he ceded the kingdom to his cousin.... AND 80% OF OLD PEOPLE IN AGBOR SPEAK BENIN OR HAVE NAME/SURNAME THAT ORIGINATED FROM BENIN.

ok ..i forget their stock in trade...

thanks for the reminder


dalu

naija8080:
Babygirlfl is not an Anioma. Babygirlfl is also not a woman. Babygirlfl is a yoruba man with intent to divide Igbos whether in SE or Delta. I have never met an Anioma that denies his or her Igbo heritage and language. 80% of Aniomas marry SE Igbos...from Iweala to Okocha, e.t.c. Don't mind this idi$ot!

lies..married there and it was not that high maybe i was given discount or then they were doing their seasonal promo



lol


but seriously it was not high and ukwuani babes, i give up to them, they are such a nice lady that i can categorically tell you...when you marry them go and sleep especially those from ogume, amai and obiaruku


very decent ladies, just that their weed farms are terrible but nice people i must say

ndi ogo m

merengue:
Back to the topic itself, marrying an Anioma babe is one of the most inexpensive ventures ever known to man. In Ukwuani; bride price is #150. Pepper, salt, honey, yams and drinks are also part of it though according to what you can afford.

no discount...

Sacluxpaint:
Na 150k my brother pay for him own

then your fore fathers are immigrants to ika land and not a pure blood maybe trace your history well..they must have sought refuge in IKA IGBO Territory...or they were exiled...sorry its a facts

we know the historical realities


thanks

DelticStephEn:
My own Agbor speak Benin & have name/surname that originated from Benin?
mr man,I am from Ika & I have no idea of what you are talking about. unless you are talking about Ozarra people.

now you have added x to your name baremx

enfant terrible...we meet again


their lap dog



oh lets see who is talking about madness...everybody knows the BAREM the black sheep



lol


oh we meet in politics section


i will rember this



have you seen your psychiatrist lately?

Beremx:
don't tell me you brought your madness to family section? In this section,they know how to confine crazy people like you to mentally rettarded homes unlike politics section where your madness is tolerated.

Respect yourself tony!

lol...such a funny guy

jpphilips:
If you use this as a thesis and your lecturer is experienced, not academic experience, but industry wide experience, you will fail so woefully that you will wish you were a carpenter!!

Now you have displayed your knowladge here and let me answer you..as an investor okay let me use myself and as an igbo guy I will invest in Nigeria selling 130 instead of Togo and Benin..ask my why

it boils down to what i told you before, economics is not theory but common sense..... and this simple common sense determines how we react to money amtters and as a shrewd Igbo dude i will dump TOGO AND BENIN selling 140 per litre and invest in NIGERIA selling one 130 per litre

let me make it simple the way I can make it for my 6 yr old girl

NIGERIA HAS ABOUT 180 million population and the market is vast and while TOGO and GAHANA,WITH BENIN doesnt not have upto 80 million so street wise economics comes to play

NIGERIA IS A BIGGER MARKET AND RICHER, I will sell faster in Nigeria and that is turnover in business and the dude in togo will be selling to a country that has about 10 million cars all together while I in nigeria is in a market that have about 70 million cars with higher disposable income...in economics it is called TURN OVER nad higher ROI


Now we are selling the same products lets say bottled water and you are selling 100 naira per bottle and i decide to sell 80 naira per bottle...our cost price is 50 naira but your margin is 50 naira as profit mine is 30 naira ...dont think i am crazy(I am playing Julio Inglesia here) I will sell 10 you will sell 5 and that is turnover..i did not learn this in school, i learnt it from ALABA international

so to answer your question..i will invest in NIGERIA selling 130 and forget TOGO,GHANA AND BENIN selling 140...

the answer is turn over


Thankls bro


Streetwise economics

Sunnybobo3:
Bros with all due respect you are yarning theoretical economics here.

My question is simple, if PMS were to be sold in Nigeria at 130 naira per litre and 140 naira per litre in say Benin Republic, Togo, Ghana,, Cameroon, Niger and Chad, where would you as a private investor prefer to sell your product?

This has got nothing to do with Bretton woods. By the way, PMS is being subsidised heavily in Saudi Arabia.

LOL...Thats ok


I would have loved you do brandy..but i respect your drinking style

onegig:
Your analogy is not only wrong but faulty. Does Nigeria produce Oranges in large scale? Would it make sense if we did to first export raw oranges to South Africa and later reimport extracted juice at cut throat prices. Wont it make sense to extract and make such juice here.?

There are some things you cant rationalize away. Local refining is one of it. The price of petrol is tied to virtually everything in Nigeria. A significant reduction in pump price would lead to reduction in cost of running business, reduced price of food stuff, reduced cost of transport which in turn give more Nigerians especially the middle class and lower more disposable cash to pursue more project thus spurning retail sales and spendings and this in turn create real economic growth not the ones we hear on paper.


Also, we daily lose around 400, 000 barrels of oil. Lets assume we have a serious government that stems the theft of crude oil by 50%. that's almost 200k barrels.

If you plough into local refining . That's around 18million litres of petrol or pms. That is if you multiply by 90litres derivable from each barrel of oil. 18million litres is half the estimated daily comsumption. So question i ask you is with all these information. Do you still think we can afford it or not ;or would you rather give untaneable excuses why government is abdicating in its responsibilities.


I would prefer kunu or zobo. Lol.

bezimo:
The Cabalocracy operating in the downstream sector of the Nigerian oil industry is the PROBLEM.It is government of the cabals for the cabals and by the cabals.The cabals colluding with government officials to import fuel wont allow the refineries to be revamped and rebuilt.Over to you Buhari, please disband the cabals and eliminate their influence.

Few years ago, I could remember those days they gathered at Ojota and had a carnival or jamboree in the name of subsidy protest and I laughed, I wonder and I keep wondering what sort of people that run this country. How can we be running welfares system and knowing full well how dishonest, disgruntled and disenchanted we are as a country. This subsidy is a scam, the country is in hands of few subsidy cabal, they call the shots be it in political and economic space. To me the best thing is to let the market forces which is demand and supply determine the price, availability of fuel. But NO we want freebies, welfares etc.

It does not make economic, logistic and logical sense that the cost of PMS will be the same thing in Lagos, Maiduguri, Zamfara and PH . Where do you factor logistics, overhead cost and other factors. Men nigeria and our managers are screwed. This is elementary economics
AS WE CONTINUE THIS SUBSIDY MADNESS SO DO WE LEAVE OURSELVES IN THE HAND OF FEW CABALS AND OVERNIGHT BILLIONAIRES? THEY WILL DICTATE OUR ECONOMY AND POLITICAL SPACE, MERITOCRACY AND MARKET SYSTEM WILL BE DUMPED


https://www.nairaland.com/2301856/fuel-subsidy-us-nigeriacabal-economy

Sunnybobo3:
The market forces are not just local forces, this is an international commodity we are talking about and you can't treat Nigeria in isolation here. PMS can never be significantly cheaper in Nigeria than it is in Benin, Togo, Cameroon, Niger, Chad etc and you won't have scarcity in Nigeria. Impossible!

This is where you get it all wrong, this is the problem not only with you but with the way Nigeria try to solve local problems with foriegn solution. My dear market forces are peculiar and each market or economy (all things been equal) is peculiar and you cant use the determinant as a universla approach. what is applicable in UK might not be applicable to Nigerian economic context...this is what we have failed to understand. This is why you have and cant see any African country that is managed by these UN bBretton woods economics that is out of woods. Dude local problem determines local measure...look at china, they did not import brettonwood economist but they looked inward, the earlier Nigeria starts looking inward the better for us...this is the adverse effect of neo colonialism and wrong education...economics is a social science just like politics and each society is unique and its economic approach should be unique.


Now PMS can be signifucantly cheaper in NIgeria, what and how do you analyse micro economics, I have a thread where I analysed the reason why subsidy should be removed...https://www.nairaland.com/2301856/fuel-subsidy-us-nigeriacabal-economy


If you care read it


the simple reason why PMS will be cheaper is that we produce crude here and refine it here and that will be comparative adavantage just like BENZ will be cheaper in Germany than Saudi Arabia while PMS will be cheaper in Saudi than German...it boils down to comparativer advantage...Economics is not all about too much books but common sensical principle. That is why the igbo man in Alaba or Muhammed in Suru Alaba will grow his shop from kiosk to big business while a prof in Economics will not manage a simple kiosk...

Comparative adavantage can be summerized like this...'It is the maxim of every prudent master of a family, never to attempt to make at home what it will cost him more to make than to buy...What is prudence in the conduct of every private family, can scarce be folly in that of a great kingdom.'

Sunnybobo3:
Dude, nobody is talking about refining crude here. You are not talking to an illiterate either, I can hold my own anywhere.

Refining crude is very simple, the issue here is 'AT WHAT COST'.

Leave that to market forces to determine
We have educated people ruling us ..its not about education its about common sense application bro

Sunnybobo3:
It us not as simple as you make it sound. In reality, practical is always different from theory.

First of all, there are no import and custom tariffs on imported PMS. Nigeria has a shortage of skilled manpower in the oil industry and labour is not cheap in Nigeria (Oil workers are paid more in Nigeria than in developed countries).

Cost of logistics in Nigeria is Obe of the highest in the world

The only thing you got right there is proximity to raw material and market.

Nearness to raw material brings me to the next question, will crude oil be sold to the refineries at international price or will the price be subsidised? Let's take it from here. ...

Jesus
Even in maths for you to solve a complex problem simplify it....

I have experience here ...I maintain my stand there is no big deal in refining crude

We have the capacity and biafrans did it creek boys did it

Stop this grammar.....its simple approach brother

baralatie:
if the market is not monopolistic in nature!

Yes ..I forget the open market

Market forces also

Sunnybobo3:
Nobody is arguing or doubting the ability or capacity to refine crude in Nigeria. Based on the present political economics reality on ground, at what cost will a litre be refined in Nigeria?

A lot of factors
Labour cost
Type of refinary
Profit margin
Policy and tax regime
Economies of scale


But know it will be cheaper


Toyota is cheaper in Japan than Nigeria ..why
Economies of scale and comparative advantage

Simple

These things are elementary economics we dont need Adam smith here brother

Sunnybobo3:
Considering present realities, do you think fuel refined in Nigeria would be cheaper than one imported?

Yes
Ask me why

The over head cost will be low
No import tarrif
No custom tarrif
Low logistic cost
Cheap and available labour
Nearness to market
Nearness to raw material
Simple refining system and faster roi

It will be cheaper

Simple economics

Sunnybobo3:
Ever wondered why yam brought in from Oturkpo Benue State is cheaper than yam cultivated in your village?

Economies of scale

Simple

We can't be importing pms..we import jobs and lose ours

If we can keep refining in small quanties we developed comparative advantage

[quote author=cochexky post=33626146][/quote]Lol

They won't ....they will say I am not a card carrying member of a party and no go oxford or Harvard

Lol

onegig:
I didn't even see his response before typing mine. Any sensible person who knows how things function would understand refining for local consumption might seem hard but very simple when you look at it holistically. The guy just copied some opinions here and there, added some irrelevant images and believes he is making sense. His bandwagon of friends who can't peruse an article keeps clapping in tow.

Solving problems is not hard when you break it down to smaller ones. There are people in the Niger delta who refine their crude oil with just tools you can readily find in a local market,only that the octane rating may not be up to industry standards. If the people using drums and logs of wood can refine oil, what is now hard for a country as big as Nigeria to refine and meet local productions? Is not to just make fractional columns, heat to a specific temperature, distill each components out till you get your desired products out?

Can I buy you beer pls

Your smart

prophetfire:
You have good points but if we dnt kill corruption in the system, we cant make it.our rulers know what is right,but they chose to do the one that ll fill their pockets with stolen money. Even if God himself gives us the plan himself,if corruption runs it,it wnt work. CORRUPTION AND SELF-INTEREST ARE OUR PROBLEMS.

Simple

PassingShot:
Firstly, the OP failed to acknowledge that corruption is the main reason why refining our own crude is more expensive than imported fuel.

Secondly, all other OPEC members refine their crude to give fuel to their citizens at far cheaper price than us. How come they didn't export their crude and import refined fuel in return.

My brother I keep wondering this..they speak English as if to confuse us..comparative advantage ...op takes us as if we are stupid .....

How can one plant and harvest corn and sell the corn then go to market buy pap and corn starch everytime ...that's what we do

We have comparative advantage in crude ..because we have oil we have resources but we don't think

Don't mind them

PassingShot:
Firstly, the OP failed to acknowledge that corruption is the main reason why refining our own crude is more expensive than imported fuel.

Secondly, all other OPEC members refine their crude to give fuel to their citizens at far cheaper price than us. How come they didn't export their crude and import refined fuel in return.

My brother I keep wondering this..they speak English as if to confuse us..comparative advantage ...op takes us as if we are stupid .....

How can one plant and harvest corn and sell the corn then go to market buy pap and corn starch everytime ...that's what we do

We have comparative advantage in crude ..because we have oil we have resources but we don't think

Don't mind them

Generalkorex:
Nice one bro
Nigeria is blessed with alot of genius. People who can think out of the box. People like onegig and tonychristopher.

Thanks

We know the truth and how simple these things are but they paint a complicated picture to confuse us

but why are they welfarist in nature, wanting everything to be dashed to them, i just keep wondering

OneNaira6:
They always been giving free lands to ingrates. Aniocha was not the only place. Even Enugu once gave put a land soely for yoruba free of charge and when the government tried to take it back due to the fact it was unconstitutional, yoruba whined left and right. I'm not sure Enugu government allowed them to keep it but we learned they had that land for years before enugu government thought of taking it back. It's the same thing Anambra government did after cleaning the main bridge head. Obi gave the yoruba and hausa traders a place to trade free of charge. That's why I've noticed the yoruba are the least accommodating people in southern Nigeria. There's not one SW state where the land non-indigienous are free. They bought the land with their wealth, they built whatever it is they built wither wealth and are still paying ridiculous taxes from multiple money hungry buf00n parading around as the "government" of Lagos and yet person no hear word from that clan about how they are "accommodating". How are you "accommodating" when they are not doing anything for anyone? Mtchewwwwww

bushdoc9919:
Thanks to the OP for this. Hope everyone reads it!

Too much of everything is just bad this include education and certificates, this is one reason that too much educated people get employed and less educated people employ them. This is the trend in the world and it can never change. The over educated man will analyse analyse, peruse and criticise something before an action is take. But the less educated man will fold his sleeves gives it a trial, that is why today we have the COSCHARIS,DANGOTES, FACEBOOK, JOBS, ETC these dudes have little education and they employ these so called book worm and they blow grammer.

That is by the way, why am taking time to tackle this, I see people saying this is a nice article I just laugh..What is nice about this article and the writer. To me he is just swriting bunkum and bullshit I must be frank. What is so special about refining crude oil. It is simple elemnatary chemistry. For thos of us that studied chemistry and did practicval. I mean those that went to good schools and I appreciate the school I attended in imo state with the best lab. That is by the way the principle of refining oil is called fractional distillation and the experiment is simple not rocket science and I wonder why Nigeria can’t build packets of small refineries with small capacities for each state. I wonder how Nigeria won’t allow individuals to fabricate refineries with small capacities to service state. Some person is making a presentation with diagram
For heaven sake Biafra forces drilled and refined their oil under war conditions and these refineries were a mobile and dismountable ones and they powered their aircrafts with that and their tanks so what is even special about refining this crude, ordinary fractional distillation. Go to creeks and see how local illiterates are refining oil with drum and for those of us that is impressed with this grammar let me break it down for you how fractional distillation works …..Fractional distillation is the separation of a mixture into its component parts, or fractions, such as in separating chemical compounds by their boiling point by heating them to a temperature at which one or more fractions of the compound will vaporize.
Funny enough crude oil refining is even simple distillation and I keep asking how and why we cant just think. The core refining process is simple distillation . Because crude oil is made up of a mixture of hydrocarbons, this first and basic refining process is aimed at separating the crude oil into its "fractions," the broad categories of its component hydrocarbons. Crude oil is heated and put into a still—a distillation column—and different products boil off and can be recovered at different temperatures. The lighter products—liquid petroleum gases (LPG), naphtha, and so-called "straight run" gasoline—are recovered at the lowest temperatures. Middle distillates—jet fuel, kerosene, distillates (such as home heating oil and diesel fuel)—come next. Finally, the heaviest products (residuum or residual fuel oil) are recovered, sometimes at temperatures over 1000 degrees F. The simplest refineries stop at this point. Other refineries reprocess the heavier fractions into lighter products to maximize the output of the most desirable products.
Just know that the cabals or bunch of mudaphukers will paint the picture that refining crude is just a sophisticated thing but igbos have done that ages and Nigerian can grasp it, the reason why refinaries wont work is simple, Nigerian intellectual laziness and dirty tendencies and also inability to think out of the box and finally we have been ruled by bunch of donkeys in the name of rulers and leaders. What is in refining oil. Get a container set it heat and at a particular temperature PMS comes out and a particular temperature DPK and other products come out. If they cant get it right they should consult the Biafrans if they are proud to do this they should consult the creeks boys in Bayelsa, I shouldn’t be teaching you chemistry but the truth must be told, kabals wont allow the refinery to work…SIMPLE

BREAK DOWN OF SIMPLE REFINARY
The most important refinery product is motor gasoline, a blend of hydrocarbons with boiling ranges from ambient temperatures to about 400° F. The important qualities for gasoline are octane number (antiknock), volatility (starting and vapor lock), and vapor pressure (environmental control). Additives are often used to enhance performance and provide protection against oxidation and rust formation.

Kerosene is a refined middle-distillate petroleum product that finds considerable use as a jet fuel and around the world in cooking and space heating. When used as a jet fuel, some of the critical qualities are freeze point, flash point, and smoke point. Commercial jet fuel has a boiling range of about 375°-525° F, and military jet fuel 130°-550° F. Kerosene, with less-critical specifications, is used for lighting, heating, solvents, and blending into diesel fuel.

Liquified petroleum gas (LPG) consists principally of propane and butane and is produced for use as fuel and is an intermediate material in the manufacture of petrochemicals. The important specifications for proper performance include vapor pressure and control of contaminants.

Distillate fuels such as diesel fuels and domestic heating oils have boiling ranges of about 400°-700° F. The desirable qualities required for distillate fuels include controlled flash and pour points, clean burning, no deposit formation in storage tanks, and a proper diesel fuel cetane rating for good starting and combustion.

Residual fuels are heavier oils, known as No. 5 and No. 6 fuel oils, that remain after the distillate fuel oils and lighter hydrocarbons are distilled away in refinery operations. Many marine vessels, power plants, commercial buildings and industrial facilities use residual fuels or combinations of residual and distillate fuels for heating and processing. The two most critical specifications of residual fuels are viscosity and low sulfur content for environmental control.

A variety of solvents, whose boiling points and hydrocarbon composition are closely controlled, are produced in refineries. These include benzene, toluene, and xylene.

Petrochemicals are products derived from crude oil refining, such as ethylene, propylene, butylene, and isobutylene, that are primarily intended for use as chemical feedstocks in the production of plastics, synthetic fibers, synthetic rubbers, and other products.

Lubricants are produced in special refining processes. Additives such as demulsifiers, antioxidants, and viscosity improvers are blended into the base stocks to provide the characteristics required for motor oils, industrial greases, lubricants, and cutting oils. The most critical quality for lubricating-oil base stock is a high viscosity index, which provides for greater consistency under varying temperatures.

Coke is a residue high in carbon content and low in hydrogen that is the final product of thermal decomposition in the condensation process in cracking. It is almost pure carbon with a variety of uses from electrodes to charcoal briquets.

Asphalt is dark brown-to-black cement-like material obtained by petroleum processing and containing bitumens as the predominant component. It used primarily for road construction and roofing materials, and thus must be inert to most chemicals and weather conditions.

LAGrejectIBO:
Indigeneship in Yorubaland is dotted line to our common ancestry and progenitor. If ypu are not Yoruba you are non indigene. We dont respect state boundaries in Oduduwa land.

and oduduwa was a wandering Benin man or exiled Benin prince

Thank u

babygirlfl:
Why are you so pained? I don't remember writing to you and I don't think anything I wrote there was bad. I really don't understand the reason for the attack. What is all this madness in nairaland calling every woman a spinster even when they are married just for writing her view. Are we supposed to cry if we are actually spinsters or be happy if we are married. One thing I do know is a spinster is much better than being married to your type of man.

My type of man won't near you at all dear

babygirlfl:
Why are you so pained? I don't remember writing to you and I don't think anything I wrote there was bad. I really don't understand the reason for the attack. What is all this madness in nairaland calling every woman a spinster even when they are married just for writing her view. Are we supposed to cry if we are actually spinsters or be happy if we are married. One thing I do know is a spinster is much better than being married to your type of man.

at
A certain age if your a spinster you hav to cry all night

I am not pained ..its a man world

Wetin be my own

Corrections I made that's all

ideykwum:
You can deceive non-Rivers people, but you can't deceive an Okrika man! You know how we regard you Ikwerre people? Lol! Story for another day! Only an imp would dent his or her heritage for a mess of porridge or to revise history? Are you one? I hope not...

Ikwerre and Ekpeye are languages whose content are almost 80% Igbo; how they became more related to Benin than Igbo beats my imagination! When as an Okrika man I tell you I'm Ijaw, you'd see sufficient evidence of that in my language and culture! Your Ikwerre culture is basically Igbo culture!! Please don't give me that lame story of marrying Igbo women and losing your language and culture! Okrikans married Igbos too (I have strong Igbo blood), but how come we didn't lose our language and culture?

Stop fooling yourself! You should be ashamed of joining other Nigerians to abuse Igbos, when their blood runs in your vein! Shame on you!!

Thank you for the reminder

jayedu108:
Ok for instance my girls parents are all based in lagos,does dat entail dat if we want to prepare for the traditional wedding it will be held here in lagos or we would have to return back to their village to hold the traditional wedding?am still confused here on this cos she was saying it can still be done here in lagos I mean the traditional wedding since her folks are and family are all based in lag.

Just hear yourself ..did they do your mum tradition in lagos ...I. wonder how your thinking

You have to go to the girl villa it gives you the opportunity to know them and her inlaws

It's a once in a life time thing so prepare for it and you have to insist that u know where your marrying from


Go to her village don't marry a ghost or somebody with questionable origin

Onegai:
From places like Agbor and Owa and that side, you get a list and at most N15, 000 for bride price. They don't ask you to buy a house or bicycle or stuff. But have Palm wine, alligator pepper, local kolanut and Abada (george) and a complete outfit for the woman's box. Also small money (no more than N1000 or N2000) for things like schooling, Labour pains, her age group etc.

And yes you can do the traditional in Lagos. No-one is forcing you to travel to village.

Such a travesty ...doing traditional in lag...why border ....my wife insisted we go to ukwuani and i respect her for that

Gave me the opportunity to know them


Lord forbid they