plaindealer:


Unfortunately, such intrusive medical requirements and legislation won't work, it's discriminatory and unconstitutional.

Being young doesn't guarantee success and beign old doesn't mean failure.

There are a lot of failed young leaders in Nigeria as we speak so of what relevance is age?

If you screen an old man and you find out he has dementia/Alzheimer's/Parkinson's, CKD, with a background congestive heart failure, I'm sure even the devil wouldn't recommend him to be voted for. I'm sure you wouldn't want to vote in a young candidate with severe medical conditions.

This is in no way discriminatory. Worldwide, standard organizations do medical screening. I've seen hundreds of people come to the hospital for medical reports stating they are healthy.

You see?

plaindealer:



To start with, we are not medical doctors and to my knowledge we haven't medicaly examined any of the candidates including Tinubu, people are entitled to their opinion, but not to credible and scientific facts.

Many young folks sadly will die today because of all manner of illnesses and medical conditions, but not old Tinubu because he's still alive.

You and I are young and walking up and down and looking healthier than Tinubu, but we could be nursing serious medical conditions that people can not see, conditions that could kill us tomorrow, God forbid.

I'd be very foolish and ignorant to speak on other people's physical health without any kind of broad knowledge from exams medical tests, mental evaluation, blood work, cognition and other critical factors.

Well, there's some truth in what you've written. But not entirely.

There are some pathognomonic features that are strong pointers to some conditions. There are things you see in a patient that are so indicative that you can commence treatment without a test. This is especially true in our environment where patients can't afford some of these tests.

Tremors, thought blocking, old age. These three, anywhere in the world, are strong pointers. It's in only a small fraction of the population that may turn out to be something else, or ?benign.

plaindealer:


1. Jonathan earned N51 trillion from oil, largest wealth accumulation in the history of Nigeria, but he did not build any bridge, no road, no hospital, no electricity, no refinery, nothing, all he did was supervising looting and stealing.

2. Jonathan declared austerity masseurs in 2014 when the price of oil was still high and by the time he left office, he was borrowing hundreds of billions to pay workers salaries

3. By his last day in office, nearly all the states were bankrupt with not money to function or pay salaries, Nigeria was ready to implode, but thank God for Buhari salary bail out, this is the reason why your state did not go under.

Now, if you are going to defend Jonathan, you should start by listing his achievements.

Sadly, you seem to have missed the point of my submissions. This is not a Jonathan-Buhari argument.

My submission is rather an attack on the Nigerian medical and legal communities. Our legislators should impose laws making medical scrutiny a compulsory step to power. This law may already be there but is it functional? If it were, our current president and Tinubu wouldn't have approached power.

My point is an argument that age, especially old age, is a strong determinant of the success of a leader. My point is that, as we age, neurodegenerative changes occur and this jeopardizes our functions. My point is that our country deserves a young, well-oriented leader. I don't care where this person comes from. If he's strong enough for the job, if he's got a good record, if he has the potentials, we all should vote for him.

plaindealer:


Old Tinubu worked harder, traveled all over the country meeting people day after day even after the primaries and he's still on the road while the so called young candidates sat on their lazy assess expecting candidates on a platter of gold. He was in Ekiti campaigning while Atiku camped in Dubai enjoying the good life

Obvious, the man is not lazy and he works harder than the other candidates combined.

Jona was younger, but he remains the most useless and horrible president in the history of Nigeria so of what relevance is your age fixation? Abi all your young governors and leaders don turn the SE or SS into Dubai?

My POV is not a strictly political argument. I'm coming from the medical perspective and would wish to be engaged by a medic so we would go into deeper depths.

Back to your assertions. To say that Jonathan is the worst president we've had is strongly arguable. I hope you know someone else would come up and tell you Buhari is the worst. See, assessments in politics, most times, are based on personal interests.

I know there are medical doctors that support Tinubu's candidacy. I know there are doctors that supported Buhari. Heck, many of these docs are my chiefs... Some are professors and gods of medicine. But I also know these people are acting out of personal gains, tribalism, or something else. The medicine they taught us tells us otherwise.

Also note that while Tinubu is "working hard," Peter Obi too seems to be working hard. The man is always on the road. He toured more states than Tinubu. So we can't just generalize that it's only Tinubu that's working hard.

I had said earlier that this age discussion is truer in the old. This can be proven scientifically. I understand there are other dynamics that determine if a leader would be successful. So, the fact that someone is young does not confirm he'd be a successful leader.

Thank you.

dominique:
Tried hard to be savage and failed woefully at it. Nobody lives in canoes in Lagos, maybe in Bayelsa or riverine parts of the south south buy definitely not Lagos. That aside, what is the guarantee that the candidate he's forcing us to support will solve Nigeria's numerous problems? And please age is not a factor is deciding who is competent to rule or not, one of the worst governors in the country is the youngest. Go and verify!

Dominique, actually, age is a factor, but relatively.

You see, as we begin to get older, a lot of biopsychosocial changes occur. For instance, the brain tissue undergoes degenerative changes, the heart becomes weaker, the kidneys begin to depreciate in their functions.

With all these changes, cognitive functions may be affected. Objective decision making becomes a bit more difficult. If, for example, the individual comes down with Alzheimer's or Parkinson's, memory and other executive functions may be affected. Motor functions may not be spared.

Let's take a closer look at Tinubu's situation. We've noticed tremors in his hands, we've seen him suffer thought blocking and poverty of thought. We've seen him have breathing difficulties while speaking.

In medicine, the above signs are serious pointers to conditions associated with aging. I would bore the audience with medical jargons, so I'd leave this here.

Buhari travelled abroad multiple times for treatment. In some occasions, he stayed there for extended periods of time. This medical tourism costs a fortune. This is money that would have been put to good use here. We don't know what exactly he's being treated for. Whatever the pathology may be, there are psychological consequences. Again, these would interfere with objective decision making.

I'm taking my time to write this because many people believe that age has nothing to do with being a good leader. This is not exactly true, especially when talking about old people. For youths, it's perfectly true. We see the nonsense people do with SUG elections. Yahaya's case is another example. So, at this other end of the spectrum, your statement is true.

I hope this helps.

jclassiq:
This man publicity sef too much. Makes you wonder if this is even self less as everyone believes or there is more to it.

A friend of mine tells me how he frequents Canadian embassy to ask for grant.

The day of the Lord will expose many evil.

Publicity is one way to show your donors that you are using their funds well.

There is nothing wrong with this publicity.

Nicepoker:
There was a particular thread that was posted some time ago. The man was the victim. Because he dumped her a wanted to get married to another lady. The useless woman decided to set him ablaze. The man held unto her and both got burnt. All the useless women here avoided that particular thread.

I'm sure if you bring that thread, we would find females condemning the act.

Laird:
The patient always has a story. The doctor always has their own version


Sometimes one is correct and the other is not. A lot happens in hospitals and there is a lot of wear and tear, transfer of aggression, grumbling due to lack of money to pay for drugs and treatments, poor pay commensurate to work load, unhappiness by people that they are ill, work stress by medical staff

It is multi faceted

About the Guy who declined C.S for his wife, You and your wife were not just lucky things didn't go South

Exactly!

It is unlikely that a certified doc would recommend CS when there is no clear reason. Patients do not understand a lot of things that go down...and I blame the docs, in part. Most docs just prescribe and recommend treatment protocols without appropriately explaining to the patient WHY. To argue in the favour of docs, the workload makes this tough...as everyone wants to shorten consultation time and see the next patient.

Otherwise, if it's at the hospital where the wife had her ANC, delivery options and complication preparedness is a discussion that is initiated by the provider from the first day...the booking visit, infact...each visit, the books recommend that the doc takes the patient through this discussion...again, and again.

Once an indication for CS is identified, the doc must have told them long before delivery...unless it's an emergency CS....Still, the doc would have prepared them for possible emergencies.

Let's just thank God things didn't go bad.

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Another truth.

But we really can't say what transpired since we weren't there.

I suggest a formal complaint should be made and the case notes should be retrieved and investigated.

If guilty of negligence, the doctor should be appropriately disciplined.

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True, sir, I agree.

Osteosarcoma can easily be picked as a top differential by senior medstudents, as a matter of fact.

Truth is we don't know the circumstances that may have prevailed at the time of presentation. I honestly think it was wrong for the doc to declare it a benign lesion without asking for a biopsy and imaging.

Misinforming the patient must have made him relax and "forget about it" hence allowing the pathology to progress to irreversible extents.

Thomthom:
That's how a doctor that called himself a gynaecologist.. wanted an operation for my pregnant wife.. I told him I don't want any operation for my wife.. let her deliver by herself... Na so we drag so tey I vex carry my wife go meet one nurse for Area.. that night she delivered.. with this act I begin to see some doctors are not even qualified to treat.. How about 5 scan be telling us that everything is fine but doctor was just shouting Operation here and there.. Thank God for Education I for loose guard make them tear my wife bele that night

Was this in a private or government hospital?

Was the child your wife's first? You remember the estimated birth weight of your child? Has your wife had any operation in the past.... Like an operation to remove a fibroid?

Eniitankorede:
For those of us in the field long enough, we know this as spot diagnosis of osteosarcoma of the long bone. It’s a highly aggressive cancer. But for the young inexperienced ones, they may not quickly get it. But adequate examination and investigation can help in diagnosis and management plans.

Chief, if he had gone to a teaching hospital, a final diagnosis would have been done by an SR and most likely confirmed by the consultant in charge of the team...

Young doctors (HO's and residents) usually clerk and present to the consultant. This is how clinics are run.

APCnaPDP:


You are right about Tinubu and Obi, both couldn’t protect youths in their various stages.
This is why we need to look at one man that can protect youths and has shown it by giving thousands of youths jobs. His name is Atiku Abubakar.

But didn't Atiku delete his tweet about young Deborah?

No source.

Difficult to believe an online story without a reputable source.

christistruth01:



The good thing about Fulani Herdsmen ISWAP and Boko Haram is that they always own up to their attacks with their full Chest let us give them another 48 hours if they don't claim responsibility we will know where to look next

Numerous stories of herdsmen attacking farmers and all in the south and elsewhere are yet to be "owned up" by the Fulanis.

Until we realize that the evil in our society has got no gender, we would go nowhere.

In today's news, we see a MAN willing to kill his daughter for rituals. Who knows? Tomorrow's case may be that of a female doing something else.

Where are those alpha men that think women are responsible for their wahala? Where are those that say women are only to be blamed? Where are the redpillers or whatever they are called?

Who knows what this man may have told his wife before leaving home. Poor woman would be home waiting for her daughter's return. Thank God this one wasn't successful!

I won't be surprised if someone comes here to blame the wife for this. Maybe she wasn't submissive enough. Maybe she pressured him into doing this. Maybe she threatened to leave him unless he returns home with a billion dollars.

Please guys, let us learn now that anyone, any gender, can do anything!

We must kill gender bias and attack crime as it is.

LienwaltAbel:

Bro schizophrenics don't just wake up and stab people for no reason. He's an obsessive piece of shite, and he stabbed his wife with all his senses intact. Let's not try to blame some mental disease because he is a man.

Not making excuses. Was only saying such a possibility should be ruled out. We can't just sit at our homes and make conclusions..

And actually, schizophrenic patients can act in the manner the man did.

This man needs an urgent mental health assessment. He may have a background schizophrenia.

When eventually arrested, he should be made to see a mental health physician.

It is difficult to believe that any human would act this recklessly with a clear head.

Whatever the case may be, he should never be close to his wife and kids. He's a danger to anyone within his reach and the society in general.

See people typing and posting whatever rubbish that occurs in their heads without minding its possible impacts on this man's family.

We also have this kind of people on Nairaland. It's honestly shameful that the world is here today. We've read reports of posts tossing people into depression or causing them to take their lives.

We've failed to realize that actions have consequences. This is especially true when we are not the ones in the spotlight.

Awfully shameful, I'd say.

drlateef:



You can call me all manner of names for all I care. Truth is golden. There’s no good deed in hypocrisy and showmanship. We all know his intention. His intention is to paint some people in black. I am against jungle justice whether for a Christian or Muslim. To treat a group differently is hypocrisy. The poor pregnant woman and her 4 children are human beings too. They were killed near his backyard in the east. Why is that not evoking any humanity in him? Conscience is an open wound. Only the truth can heal it…. Uthman Dan Fodio.

Please how does this gesture paint anyone black? Did the man attack any religion?

All he did was to give alms to victims of religious violence. All he did was to show love as he deems fit.

This lady is not the first recipient of this man's magnanimity. We have seen in the past how he freely gives to all.

Why are you trying to paint this narrative in the wicked colours of religion?

The man and his church can choose whomever they want to help. No one can force them. Even if someone is killed in front of his church, of he doesn't feel like, you can't force him to build a house for that person.

Why don't you encourage others to emulate this man? Must all help come from him?

I'm honestly amazed how people find fault in this.

The unfortunate murder of the pregnant woman and her children should evoke humanity in others, including you and I. We can't continue to push responsibilities to others. We should do something. No matter how small.

Honestly, I'd really like to know how this man's action paints anyone "in black."

A young, promising Christian girl is gruesomely murdered by a group of Muslim extremists in the north because she allegedly blasphemed against their prophet (or God). A pastor in the south decides to support the family and move them out of the Muslim-dominated north. He did not only relocate them but he also provided means of livelihood to them using his church's resources.

Please, sir, where is the harm in this?

The publicity?

Well, this publicity is important and strategic! If for nothing, the Christian community in the north is now strengthened and their faith in Jehovah stronger than ever! They now know their southern brethren are with them.

This publicity has helped him win public trust and more donations can be made by his members and non-members.

This publicity has taught us all how to demonstrate love, whether we are related to the person or not.

Do you know his church also runs a free hospital? Free! Open to all, whether Christian or Muslim. Do you know he has series of free schools in PH? Free! Open to all, whether Christian or Muslim.

You now see he has done a lot for humanity, irrespective of one's religious inclination.

Please let's all say thanks and move on.

There's no harm done here.

drlateef:




I am not condemning the assistance he gave them. I am only condeming the hypocrisy behind the assistance. Let him search his conscience if he truly was helping or making a statement of bias.

I'm lost here, please.

Could you kindly explain how his assistance is hypocritical?

emmanueloti65:
bla bla bla nothing to argue here . the Bible is plain and simple on this so waka go sit down.

No wahala, brother.

Have a nice evening.

emmanueloti65:
it is you who need wisdom and also a good knowledge of the Bible please don't even provoke me to educate you big mofo very but let me pity you educate you small mumu. the Bible make it clear in Mathew 6 ,1-4 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in
heaven.

Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet
before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the
streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They
have their reward.

But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy
right hand doeth:

That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in
secret himself shall reward thee openly.

it is clear from the above Bible passage that opm pastor have no reward for all his philanthropic works because he does not fail to advertise what he did for this people .
this is not how real men of God behave nor is it how the Bible advised Christians to actthta way, so you mofo quoting me should go and get a brain because I don't think you have one

Your position in this matter can be argued.

It all boils down to the reason this is in the media. This shouldn't be between the man and us. It should be between him and God.

There are some acceptable reasons to have this in the media.

First, this may be a way of being accountable to donors in his church.

It may also be his way of encouraging other victims of war and all.

It can even be a way of challenging the Nigerian government to improve their abysmal performance.

By publishing this, the church has gained more public trust and more donations can be gotten.

Recall that the church needs these donations to continue doing stuffs like this.

drlateef:
And what will he donate to the family of Fulani Muslim killed by Christian IPOB members, including the unborn baby and the 4 children? Hypocrisy stinks everywhere.

Sir/ma,

I guess you know we all can choose to help whomever we desire to help. No man can help everyone.

This man has done his bit by helping this family. We cannot force him to help any other person. Rather, we should call on other philanthropists to arise to the occasion.

Let's not turn this into a religious debate.

The pastor does not owe anyone any apology for helping Deborah's family. Neither does he owe anyone any apology for not helping other victims of violence.

Your post lacks gratitude. He is not obligated to do anything for anyone. It is the government that owes us all such an obligation.

I think it's better we thank the man and move on whole hoping that others arise to help other victims of violence and all.

matrix199:
I expect him to also come to the aid of the family of the murdered Fatima and her children.

He must not go to the aid of everyone.

How about thanking him and God for his kind gesture and moving on?

There are millions of philanthropists out there that can arise to help anyone as they please. We cannot force them to act our scripts.

Hermes119:

Associating the virus with homosexual behaviour does not indict homosexuality what the UK government is trying to do is identify the factors responsible for a problem and seeking for ways to handle it. Hypertension is associated with age does that mean that geriaritics are bad

First off,you have to define what unnatural sexualities is and while doing so be reminded that homosexuality has been observed in humans from time immemorial and is also observed in almost all animal species. You could also enlighten me on how homosexual people shove their business and down your thoat


I agree that the anus is not structured for sex,I also agree that STI's are more easily transmissible through anal sex,but that doesn't justify homophobia after all if anal prolapse occurs it doesn't affect you,for prevention of transmission of STI's people should have safe sex, unprotected sex only when they are sure their partners are STI free and avoid cheating and that solves the problem for both heterosexual and homosexual people engaging in anal sex. I don't see how homophobia is justified with the reasons you gave

1. @Your first point: we are essentially saying the same thing. The UK seems to have found a pattern in the spread of the virus and the MSM community appears to be chief players in this transmission. Age is an unmodifiable risk factor of hypertension. With this information, we know it is important certain intervention protocols are activated in the elderly population as regards containing age-related incidence and prevalence of hypertension. See? So, if homosexuality is identified as a key factor in the spread of the virus, mechanisms should be put in place to contain it. In this instance, homosexuality is modifiable (unlike age in the HTN example you mentioned). If this infection is serious enough and life-threatening enough, the UK may put a law against the practice of homosexuality...thus,they would have MODIFIED this risk factor. See?

2. Sexual intercourse is nature's way of ensuring the continuity of life. Recall that one of the characteristics of living things is reproduction. This is nature's primary intent for sex. Any form of sex that does not amount to reproduction is unnatural.

3. I did not write anywhere that homosexuals shove their businesses in my throat, did I?

4. I'm glad you agree that anal sex is a major health risk. True, prolapse is not an infectious condition. So, it doesn't affect me directly. However, by engaging in high-risk sexual activities, public health is exposed to an avoidable risk. You cannot guarantee or ensure safe sex. As far as people practice anal sex, the health of populations not involved in the act is at risk. Homosexuals can pick up infections and transmit the same to others. Our universe is a closed system. Nothing escapes it. Things are recycled, one way or the other. So, no matter how you view it, anal sex and other forms of high-risk sexual lifestyles put us all at risk of coming down with STD's.

5. By the way, I wonder where you got your homophobia talk from. I can't recall mentioning that I'm homophobic.

Hermes119:
I say it again You guys are not different from the guys that killed Deborah in Sokoto
If you hate other humans because of their sexual orientation then you are not different from a person who hates others for following a different religion
Again emphasis on the word hate

Sir, if you understand epidemiology, you'd appreciate that the UK did not just wake up from sleep to accuse the MSM community of being possible important vectors of the virus.

Nobody hates anyone. I do not support unnatural sexualities and this does not imply that I hate those that indulge in the act. All I'm asking is that they keep their businesses away from me.

The anus is not structured for sex. It is highly vascular. There is a very rich anastomosis in that region. This makes it easy for diseases to pass on to those that peruse the region.

Anal sex is therefore a significant threat to our health.

With further investigations and studies, we'd come to know how gays contribute to the transmission of this virus.

atmy1:
Again, this report is from British Intelligence, and does not have the name of the person that wrote the report everyone is quoting. I am a branding expert and can recognise serious PR when I see it. The same western expert who used video game to illustrate Ukrainians decimating Russians. These same guys first said Putin was on steroid then later said he has cancer. They also helped push the ghost of kyiv and snake island mature reports which even western media now acknowledges, are not real. I can go on and on. British media is the worst. Only idiots rely on British media for serious info on Russia-Ukraine war. Before you trust any news, check the source and find out if the source was even present or has anybody present at the location.

1. The source is an international news platform.

2. The source and other news outlets from its country (and other western nations) have broken news of Russian wins/gains in this war. Somehow, any news favouring Russia and its interests is accepted but those favouring Ukraine are tagged as propaganda.

3. Again, somehow, any info emanating from Russian/eastern media is accepted since the narratives suit the desires of pro-Russian readers. This is so even though there has been reports of Russian media's loss of autonomy.

4. My point is, we tend to only accept information that suit our narratives. In doing this, we forget that we rely on these same international media houses for over 80% of the news we digest.

5. The above is the nature of the human mind.

Trying to figure why "??large vaginal tears" would kill the lady. The best that may happen should be abrasions due to poor lubrication. Abrasions are superficial lesions. No major bleeders expected here.

Even if they used objects to amplify their sexual stimulation, this is still unlikely.

Even terrible bleeders from episiotomies are well controlled and there's no haemodynamic compromise.

Medically speaking, this story is unlikely to be true.

Medically speaking, this story may not be true.

ArewaNorth:


You can quote as much as u can but those I quoted happened between 2020-2022

Life is life, sir.

It doesn't matter if someone is killed yesterday or last year. If you want to be honest, you would agree with me.

ArewaNorth:


South have for long started it since EndSars protest:

killing of Northerners by IPOB in Rivers State
https://ynaija.com/all-we-know-of-the-alleged-killing-of-northerners-by-ipob-in-rivers-state/

We Were Preyed On Amidst #EndSARS Protests – Northerners
Northerners living and doing different businesses in the southern states, particularly those in Abia, Imo, Rivers, who were trapped in the aftermath of the popular #EndSARS protests, recall their gruesome experiences during and after the #EndSARS protests.
https://dailytrust.com/we-were-preyed-on-amidst-endsars-protests-northerners

2 mosques destroyed in fresh attack on Enugu Muslim community
https://dailynigerian.com/breaking-2-mosques-destroyed-in-fresh-attack-on-enugu-muslim-community/

Mosques Destroyed, Shops Burgled As Mob Attacks Nsukka Muslim Communities
https://dailytrust.com/2-mosques-destroyed-shops-burgled-as-in-mob-attacks-on-nsukka-muslim-communities

Two mosques destroyed in fresh attack on Enugu Muslim community Read more: https://www.legit.ng/1379967-two-mosques-destroyed-fresh-attack-enugu-muslim-community.html

https://www.legit.ng/1379967-two-mosques-destroyed-fresh-attack-enugu-muslim-community.html

Only fools will support violence on whichever guise!

You know I can also quote links to series of killings of Southerners and Christians up north?

For how long would we continue like this?

If we begin to kill each other, what would that make us?

Our country is already in a bad shape; sadly, we just may make matters worse!

ArewaHero:

Anyone that FAILS TO LISTEN won't FAILS TO SEE.

RESPECT MY BELIEVE I RESPECT YOURS

will YOU DIE if you don't Disrespect someone belief.

Can we also apply this rule to El Rufai following his disrespectful speech about Jesus in his tweet?

If we all begin to kill ourselves because others disrespect our prophets or God, what would our country become?

Of course I'm sure you don't think there are Muslims that disrespect Jesus, the Christian God, and Christianity in general??