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Ultimatesammie:
Those are in the movie Boruto:Naruto the movie, by d way boruto cheated.

Did you notice Sasuke left hand?

Please what happened to Sasuke's left hand in Boruto?

halfrica:
Yes i are

Any problem??

So i shd b dressin like deir curtin every time abi

Good one...so that next your time your dress won't be their dining table cloth

DrChatNuff:
here aint no CHURCH....

We know

PRINCEZUKO1:
Lol, these guys, even after they saw it plainly written in the manga, they still argue about it.
Both Danzo and Obito expressly explained about IZANAGI. Obito even went to the extent of explaining its origins and nature. Izanagi can only be executed by someone with both senju and uchiha powers.
Itachi never explained Izanagi, what he explained about was IZANAMI. And Izanami DOESN'T need Senju DNA. He only mentioned that this Izanami was brought as a counter to Izanagi.

SHIKENA

There's love in sharing, when ROB-1 hopefully brings them ammunitions, Just dilute the AK-47 with them bullets and shoot them with it. I'm sure they'll be happy too. Its a win-win

Enahi:
Why are you all asking for pictures, I am not here to advertise myself. I can be very shy that's part of the reasons I don't have my picture on Nairaland.

I just wanted to know how other ladies cope that's the reason for this.

Just accept it the way it is, or look for a girl that craves it and share it with her.

But bottomline is, deep down you love the way you are been looked at infact if you are not stared at, you'ld have visited an herbalist and not nairaland cos then you'd think something is wrong with you.


So when they whistle, you wiggle.

Its quite an extensive banter, visit this page: erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_spirit6.shtml

Resurrection of the Higher Self


BY MATTHEW WEBB, VISIONQUEST@EONI.COM


Jul 1989
World Mind Society Library

[ Erowid Note: This document provides an interesting look into a group advocating the intentional, spiritual, and transformative use of cannabis. The views expressed in this interview share many similiarities with some other cannabis-positive writings and metaphysical viewpoints, but which are not well represented in the Erowid archives, despite their prevalence. ]

Document History & Preface
In July of 1989, a controversial article crossed the managing editor's desk of Magical Blend, an equally controversial magazine. This article was never actually published in the quarterly publication, because it was rejected, due to conflicts of its content with "modern cultural limits". The editors felt that the public was not yet ready to "entertain such ideas" even though its creation was originally sanctioned by the managing staff of The Magical Blend. Entitled, The Higher Self, the article appeared about a year later in a lesser known newsletter, The Free Thinker, known for its evaluation of topics which for the most part, go unaddressed in our society.

In a memo directed to the author of The Higher Self, Magical Blends' managing editor wrote:
"Although The Higher Self reflects a professionally conducted interview on the subject of marijuana use and the expansion of consciousness, other factors need to be considered in the question of its publication. It is essential to keep in mind the modern cultural limits, that restrain the full address of certain subject matters. For one, our firms' legal position on this matter must be maintained on stable ground, especially in view of 'the drug war' as mentioned in your article. Secondly, although our readership is known for a certain flexibility of mind, the senior staff agrees with me in that the public is not yet ready to entertain such ideas in this context. I therefore must ask you to go beyond the usual revision protocol, and abandon this project altogether, regardless of your good work in its creation."
The document you see before you is the retrieved, unedited version of The Higher Self, which has been preserved upon the request of many interested persons. The identity of its author and the person interviewed will not be mentioned, in order to protect their wish for privacy in this matter.

[b]THE HIGHER SELF[/]
During the summer of 1989, I was invited to attend a public gathering in Berkeley California, "of persons dedicated to free thought and the uninhibited expansion of consciousness." According to the elaborate written invitation, the purpose of this meeting was to "brainstorm the ways and means to sustain a fundamental shift of social consciousness, away from cultural materialism, and toward spiritual unfoldment." Upon arrival I was informed that although everyone was very pleased to see a representative from Magical Blend attending the meeting, it had since been decided that the group discussion should be closed to the public. It seemed for a moment that the trip to Berkeley had been wasted effort, but to my surprise a well-dressed gentleman in a sport jacket, of broad features and a bushy black mustache, approached me to apologize for my inconvenience.

I assured him that such disappointments were common in my line of work, and that all fault was mine for not confirming the meeting by phone. "I appreciate the show of support and interest of your magazine that your presence implies", he said, "and I don't want to see you end up empty-handed after your journey." "Although I regret we cannot include you in our conference due to the wish for anonymity of many of its speakers, I can offer you a personal interview along similar lines." Though a one on one meeting is not what I had in mind, I thought it pointless to refuse such an offer.

Blake, (a pseudonym) introduced himself as an organizing member of a little known meditation group known as The World Mind Society, which was but one of the participating members of the conference. "We at WMS", he said, "believe in the higher potentials of human consciousness, and its power to transform the self and the world. Our approach is to make the best use of the tools that are already available to the human being for the purpose of self-empowerment. Among these are the human body and mind, individual meditation, the sacramental use of marijuana and the use of group meditation, or in other words, group mind force."

MB (Magical Blend reporter): "Let me see if I understood what you said correctly. You mentioned the use of meditation in both a personal and group context for the purpose of self-empowerment. But could you explain more clearly how this relates to using marijuana as a sacrament?"

Blake: "What I meant was, that marijuana can be a powerful tool for self improvement if used with the proper focus."

MB: "What do you mean it can be a powerful tool?"

Blake: "This plant has the potential for use as a psychoactive booster of consciousness. It is a kind of 'psychic vitamin' that can expand ones' abilities mentally, psychically and spiritually."

MB: "In certain Native cultures substances such as peyote and psychoactive mushrooms are used for self exploration. Is this what you mean?"

Blake: "Self exploration is actually only a part of this. In native cultures, psychoactive substances are also used to gain what are considered spiritual powers, psychic enhancements, altered and deepened perceptions of truth, greater inner strength, energy, mental alertness and flexibility. Perhaps even more importantly, these substances are used to gain spiritual realization and refinement. They are even used as an aid to unify ones self with Nature and God."

MB: "And you include marijuana as one of the substances which can accomplish these things?"

Blake: "Yes we do."

MB: "Don't you think that if marijuana had such potentials that people would have discovered them long ago? I mean, everyone 'gets high' at one time or another, but no one I know of gains any psychic powers or finds God through weed."

Blake: "In reference to the first part of your question, people did actually discover the spiritual potentials of marijuana long ago. References to this herb in the ancient Vedic texts of India, indicate that it was being used by Rishis and Yogis at that time to gain deepened perceptions. As for the fact that 'everyone gets high' as you said, yet few find God or greater personal power, this is just a result of cultural influences. Lets look at it this way. Compare marijuana to driving a car. As soon as you take a puff you're behind the drivers' seat. The engine's running and you can go anywhere you want. But just because you own a car though, does not guarantee that you will take it to useful, productive or enlightening places. You may just drive in circles, get in a wreck or simply drive it off a cliff. It all depends upon your intention when you're driving as to where you end up, and what you'll do when you get there. Marijuana is the same way. Although it contains great potentials for self-transformation and can take you to places you never dreamed of, its effect is still primarily limited to the mind that is driving it, so to speak."

MB: "So you're saying that the usual effect of just 'getting stoned' and oblivious to the world, is due more to user error than to the substance itself."

Blake: "That is exactly what I mean, and what a pity! Most people just get high within the usual party mode of stimulating amusements, simply because this is the only intention they hold when smoking it."

MB: "So what intention or focus should be used to get more out of pot?"

Blake: "Well first of all, the whole image of marijuana must be changed. It is usually viewed as a 'recreational drug' but this is a serious underestimation of its potential. Believing that marijuana is just a toy is like treating the space shuttle as just another Forth of July bottle rocket. By approaching marijuana with more respect, we are then in a position to gain more from it. This herb can teach us much more than most people imagine. In many shamanic traditions it is believed that peyote, psiloscybe mushrooms, ayahuasca and others, contain wisdom-increasing properties. It is believed that they hold sacred lessons, and an Earth intelligence that can be learned from. This is the whole meaning behind the word ‘entheogens'".

MB: "Do you also hold such a view, and would you place marijuana in this class of so called 'teacher plants'?"

Blake: "I don't want to stray too far into related subjects, by commenting in depth upon that. I will say that the World Mind Society, like a number of other persons and groups, agree that all living things including the Earth itself, has something to teach us. We humans though, are not known for our great listening skills. We're too busy gossiping and theorizing to listen attentively. Yes, all of these substances contain profound lesson-generating potentials, and marijuana is no exception. We can 'listen' to the high that it generates within the body, as well as its effects upon the mind. When taken seriously, what we 'hear' from the teacher plants can be quite profound, as well as practical on an everyday basis. But again, we must employ the right focus and intention to make full use of our experiences with the herb."

MB: "I've heard that the peyote ceremonies of the Native American Church include a great deal of preparation and spiritual focus, before, during and after ingestion. They say that such preparation allows a person to properly receive Peyote's lessons. It is also a Native teaching that peyote acts as a conduit to God and to the spirit of the Earth, allowing deep revelations to crystallize in the mind. Do you also recommend that such procedures be used for the intake of marijuana?"

Blake: "I would have to say that in most cases, no. The rush and scheduling of the Western lifestyle tend to rule out days of prayer, meditation, fasting, elaborate ceremonies or seclusion in the wilds. That's not to say though that simple rituals, which focus the mind firmly onto desired goals, could not provide great benefit. But regardless of any format used prior to smoking the miracle herb, one should definitely be clear about the effects they desire from its intake. These effects, which can also be personal goals, include an enhanced state of clarity, greater psychic perception and higher personal vibration for instance, and these aspects should be consistently focused upon with the mind, during a smoke session. The stronger the focus held while smoking marijuana, the more one will see results in the body and mind of the desired type. We also recommend the use of meditation in conjunction with the use of marijuana, as these two complement each others' effectiveness greatly."

MB: "I believe I understood what you said about using pot for achieving greater clarity. It is not an uncommon practice for many people to use it for inspiration, in the creation of music and other artforms, and I've even known a few who claimed it helped them get insights into problems, or to create innovative products. When you mentioned reaching a higher personal vibration from pot, I'm not clear on what you meant."

Blake: "Basically, when we say ‘getting high', we mean getting into high feelings, and this is the same as saying 'getting into a higher personal vibration'. Science has shown through EKG readings and a number of other electromagnetic measurement devices, that the body emits energy at varying frequencies. These frequencies, especially in the case of brain waves, change as our state of consciousness changes. Studies have shown that positive feelings create a characteristically different set of emitted brain wave frequencies than those of a depressed nature. The high frequencies or feelings created through the intake of marijuana are likewise very different from most peoples' everyday state of consciousness. When used properly, marijuana can thus raise our vibrational rate of being, or in other words our state of consciousness. It can even do this on a semi-permanent or permanent basis."

MB: "Ok, and what about 'greater psychic perception?'"

Blake: "Unknown to most people who smoke marijuana, is the fact that it expands psychic abilities as it expands the users' consciousness. In fact, the increase of personal clarity and, [higher] vibration are also the potential results of the expansion of consciousness, brought about by the miracle herb. The same is also potentially true of peyote, ayahusca, LSD and mushrooms."

MB: "What you said reminds me a lot of a line from the movie Dune... something about ‘the spice expands consciousness'. It sounds like that."

Blake: "Well yes, I think Dune offered many good ideas with a factual basis. I would say that the potential effects of marijuana are on par with those of the Spice Melange presented in Dune. A great movie."

MB: "And people don't usually recognize this fact, because they're using the wrong intention?"

Blake: "That's right. When they smoke their intention is usually focused just on feeling a little better, or upon using the smoke as an avenue for interaction with others. So instead of realizing they have just undergone an important and powerful shift of consciousness, they waste a glorious opportunity. They fritter away a wonderful means to gain greater inner strength by focusing upon trivial things."

MB: "I'm not sure most people would agree that a focus on sensations or interaction with others is trivial."

Blake: "Compared to what could be accomplished with marijuana, these focuses are indeed trivial. I think a good analogy for using this herb as a joy ride, is the burning of stacks of $100 bills for amusement. It is such an incredible waste of potential. The full knowledge of that potential would truly amaze the average person."

MB: "And the organization of which you are a part, advocates specific techniques to take advantage of that potential?"

Blake: "Yes, the World Mind Society teaches people, among other things, to view the herb as a sacred advisor of sorts and to listen to what it has to teach. When we combine its use with meditation this practice produces even greater results."

MB: "Greater results meaning a greater expansion of consciousness?"

Blake: "Yes, more so than the average person would experience by far, through the holding of a progressive inner focus."

MB: "That's interesting. So lets discuss what kinds of focus are used in your meditations that produce such results."

Blake: "All right, as I said earlier, the type of results gained by smoking marijuana are primarily dependent upon the intention or focus one uses. This should always be kept in mind. Spiritual intentions produce spiritual results, whereas unfocused or chaotic intentions produce comparatively little. So before we even raise a pipe to smoke, the clear intention is kept in mind as to exactly what effects are desired, beyond the usual 'getting stoned' mode. What I am about to describe is a simple procedure and example, of what one can repeatedly experience in the use of marijuana. Try this initial experiment;

Step 1 - Hold the intention of 'exploring the high' in the mind before a smoke session. By 'exploring' we mean observing it in detail, while at the same time focusing on getting higher and higher.
Step 2 - Take a puff of smoke and hold it in the lungs in a calm, relaxed manner.
Step 3 - While holding this breath, notice the onset of 'the high' as it enters the lungs and spreads throughout the body. Be particularly observant of the high feelings in the area of the heart.
Step 4 - Exhale while remaining focused on your observation of the high state now present in the body/mind. Let thoughts continue to slip away to the point that only awareness of the high remains. Know that you can be a state of mind rather than a string of thoughts.
Step 5 - Know that the high is a sacred thing. It is an opportunity for unlimited personal gain, and to view it as such opens the door to this potential. Remain focused on the high itself and when thoughts intrude, return to that focus. As the mind remains focused on only the high, the high is then amplified even more.
Step 6 - The high is at this point, even higher than it was originally. In other words, the pitch of feeling and level of energy associated with it are increasing to greater and greater levels. This occurs because anything the mind focuses upon it increases. Don't get overwhelmed by this. Stay relaxed, and see just how far you can 'explore the high'. As the high increases stay focused upon it, and this will increase it even more, especially with a second and third puff. It will be felt bodywide, but take particular notice of the feelings in the heart, the head and base of the spine. Stay with this focus for at least 20 minutes...
This is an initial exercise we recommend."

MB: "What exactly does this procedure accomplish?"

Blake: "It provides an entrance point into a whole new world, as a conscious experience of 'working with the high', or in other words, altered states of consciousness. It gives a taste of what can be accomplished with the right focus and encourages the practice of meditation. Such exercises also motivate people to experiment further, by trying out different intentions in the use of the smoke. This is just one way of doing what we call 'traveling the high'."

MB: "What are some results people can expect in using this technique?"

Blake: "Actually there are a great many. If I were to give a brief list I would include:
Getting much higher than usual on less herb.
The high tends to be much longer lasting.
Inner awareness is increased, and so is a sense of accomplishment and personal discipline.
Spiritual revelations often occur. Such states as ‘Christ consciousness', or simply an increase in love and good will can be felt within.
An introduction to the practice of meditation, using the smoke as a center of focus is gained.
There are other benefits of course, such as an increase in psychic capabilities, but this is a topic for more advanced discussion."

MB: "So by saying 'traveling the high' you mean working with it as a tool for greater things?"

Blake: "Yes, and in this case to 'work with the high' means to focus upon the consciousness expanding effects of the smoke. In this way we gain familiarity with its properties. This is an initiation into the practice of using the smoke to go where we want it to go, rather than just seeking idle amusement. Not unlike driving a car to a given destination, we can focus upon the high itself, and direct it to take us to places we never dreamed of. Just as effective driving requires a certain inner discipline and consistent focus, the journey of marijuana is greatly enhanced by careful inner direction also."

PRINCEZUKO1:
Someone brings up idiotic statements and calls it outsmarting...lol. I know in my next statements, I proved everything he wrote their wrong... Kimco doesnt know what the story is, so he's talking out of stupid sentiment.

You claim he's ignorant and then his words keep provoking you, I'd say you're even more silly. That's why I said earlier he outsmarted you.

PRINCEZUKO1:
Lol, who did I persuade to watch OP, I just stated an obvious stuff that OP is the top series out there. Did I shove it into your throats? lol, I have the one I've made many to read already and that's Kingdom, and I never told you or anyone not to enjoy Naruto...I said the storyline got crappy at the end and its also a well known fact...funny enough, right here, when people ask a Naruto question or Naruto links, I still answer to it. I still have Naruto episodes in my hard disk and I give people to watch...and I stated here that I'm waiting for the animators to finish so I can download the canon ones and finish up the series.
Its just you guys, getting the wrong ideas.

You must be really idle man, having the time to keep speaking on something you claim to be obvious. You're breaking a forum's apex rule and you keep acting like you're doing the right thing.

PRINCEZUKO1:
And O Kimco, OP isn't the longest series as you think... In that category its just number 29. There be several series that have 1000+ chapters, yet OP surpassed them all with just 500+ chapters. Now its on 802 chapters, no manga series is seeing its back.
Naruto, Bleach and a few others had more publicity than OP....but OP didn't need publicity to beat them all...cos it had quality with it. Hec bleach can't even compete with it.

You seem to lack understanding.


Why keep trying to shove One Piece into other people's throat? Why is it difficult for you to let others enjoy Naruto as you enjoy One Piece?

PRINCEZUKO1:
Finally you've said something relevant. But Mr Lecturer (as 1 of your followers just implied), will you mind teaching them the difference between saying...
Naruto is my favorite series
And
Naruto is the best series in the world....
And also tell them the difference between
I don't like One Piece,
And
One Piece is Trash....
Maybe some guys here don't know how to choose statements cos that's how all this started....someone trying to portray Naruto as ultimate while calling OP a plague. That's a height of ignorance.
You talked of sentiments, learn not to mix it up with facts.

PRINCEZUKO1:
Lol....honestly Kimco, all I see in your posts about OP is ignorance tho and its very funny.
You didn't know about the world records, after telling you, you still brought up a nonsense reason to get around facts that be.
Anyway, One Piece has too many deep mysteries and the author is a confirmed genius. You don't know it because you don't read it.
Only an idiot will go talking about what he doesn't know about.

He outsmarts you and you resort to the defensive words, thats not sentiment, thats passion!

kimco:
Will I be cruxified if I said I didn't know what shinobi no kami was?

Hashirama

kimco:
You don't come to a fan thread and tell others to watch another anime because it's better than their favourite anime and expect a warm welcome bro. Expecting the opposite is insane, actually.

And maybe for u, one piece took off and never looked back, but for me who actuallygave it a chance (300+ episodes is very generous) it never did. Maybe it has now. Might actually check it out again when I'm bored and have nothing else to watch.

You're more direct than I am..


Humor me, 8th gate Gai vs Shinobi no kami

Hashirana vs 8th gate Maito Gai. Who wins? I mean can Shinobi no kami withstand the onslaught

There'll always be a sharper guy.

Vinshu:
What is your definition of a good guy? @op

Lets assume you know what good is, then just add guy to it.

Mutaino7:
You better save your self the pain of back and forth argument... i don tire nah now i sabi the reason why teachers dey vex beat dull students..

Hehehehe...

Naso ooo but Someone has to do it bro.

PRINCEZUKO1:
Lol. Like I said, twas later I found out they've not even seen the OP series. So make a better come back.

My arguments have been absymal?? Lol. Actually that's what yours have been bro. Lemme ask you, why do you know that oxygen is in the air? Cos scientists have proved it and you've felt its effects. Arguing against that makes you absymal.
Or maybe you don't know what Shounen Jump is...then I can't help you out. I've given you facts with proven evidences, but all you can do is beating about the bush.

Naruto was never complex, at least to me. Anyone who was in Naruto 2go room way back when the room started knows that nothing passes me by. What you're calling complex now in this war arc is simply poor story writing on Kishi's part which you may not wanna accept though. Unknown to you, to the more you think you're explaining, the more it loses the little sense left. This is same guy that got too lazy to correct drawing mistakes which Jump noticed from the free scans and made them release those mistakes in the takoboon volumes.

I don't 'think' One Piece is boss, my favorite series is Kingdom and its more fascinating to me.
But fact is that OP is boss....that's why just 1volume of it will sell more than 5 volumes of the 2nd placed series and it has been the 1st for 8 years running and still currently leading for this year.

You still don't understand. It doesn't matter which bosses which, all that matters is that you enjoy yourself. Everyone's reason for making choices differs, me for instance prefers a chick with the booty, why? I just like booty. Some guys prefer boobs, etc. So you trying to dissuade me liking booty is like asking me commit suicide. That's just the way it is. Our sentiments are strong and will always differ. That's humanity.

PRINCEZUKO1:
Lol, I actually know about people who like shit, but they simply accept it as shit and move on with it, that's all. Most of the critics i wrote about Naruto on this thread weren't even my own opinions on the story but rather consensual facts conceived both from the publishers and die hard fans, some of who are still fans till now. Shounen Jump themselves said Naruto story was at its best by Pain arc.
And if you were careful enough to notice, I have been around this thread for awhile without making those negatives, till someone here, who I later found haven't even watched OP well, started talking nonsense about what he knew little about, acting as if Naruto was better while OP is clearly its boss.
It doesn't matter if a little group also tries to criticize OP, story wise it has only 3 very minor inconsistency which doesn't interrupt the flow, and others one can say is, poor art or slow pace both of which the author has calm responses to which is another big difference between Oda and Kishimoto, 1 defends his art and responds to fans, the other 'let them think what they want'...

Arguing with someone who doesn't know what he's talking about is actually a sign of insecurity on your end. I can also tell you that you've not been around long enough, cos then you won't have the space to bring up One Piece when the thread burns up 10 pages daily with arguments and debates that some people were scared the thread would catch fire lol.


Why have your arguments been abysmal? Because they ain't originally yours, you just followed up on suggestions made by others and because they align with your sentiments you believe they are true forgetting that these people also are humans using same thinking faculty as yours, why would you accept their suggestions as the final verdict?


Some sets of people believe Naruto is boss just like you believe One Piece is boss, some don't even bother to place one over the other, they just enjoy them. I have 2 friends who follow both stories ardently, one even gave 40.4Gb( over 600 episodes) of One Piece. There are some who'll even criticise Naruto in their dream but they won't accept that any other story betters Naruto. That's just the way it is. I like Naruto because of its complexity, it grants you the freedom to think up possibilities for yourself following the laid down principles of the story. What you see as inconsistencies are simply puzzles that need solving, but then if you're able to think up something for youself, you might discover an inconsistency that I might not have a suitable answer for, but then I'll definitely give you an explanation. Believe that!

PRINCEZUKO1:
Actually, when I said Naruto ended in pain arc, I didn't mean that it totally lost its flavour then....but every other thing done after it were preparations to pave way to the war arc, then the fans were expecting it to be big. But just as you said, midway into the war, from Madara's appearance, a lot of inconsistencies came in and it kept getting worse. So if the war arc failed that much, then the build up to it is almost not appreciated again falling all back to the Pain arc.

Action wise, it was still good even with all those stuff. I still enjoyed seeing Madara kicking everybody around and how Kaguya toyed with the boys then. I also partly the final fight.
But honestly it failed too bad story wise. Twas obvious Kishi was gambling with options and even his drawings showed inconsistencies.

You're failling to understand one fundamental truth, no matter how much you try to blacklist something, there'll always be people who like that particular thing. Nobody claims Naruto is perfect, its definitely going to raise questions cos we all see things from different countless angles. So then there's way you can convince me that your treasured manga is perfect too. As you're criticizing Naruto here, I'm sure there are others criticizing One Piece in its own thread(wherever its located). Even you can't claim you've been consistent in all your statements.


I have a friend who ardently follows both stories, he sits down behind his system streaming them on YouTube and I've never heard him speak ill of either stories. So the earlier you learn to accept other people sentiments, the better for mankind.

PRINCEZUKO1:
Lol, I've been laughing at one comedy happening here. 1 guy thinks he's boss...then the other 2 with no actual sense of their own, chants him on even when he's not really making sense.
Its allowed shaa.

Still spending time watching over nonsense, this guy...



But then if you were around when this thread was really relevant, you would have realized all you said is meant for the recycle bin.

landinfo:
I believe that the commentz up & the one down is somehow a contradiction...if SO6P is connecting to Naruto & Sas..gay [indra/ashura] thru chakra, den what is connecting Obito to Kakashi Chakra or sharingan Is the sharingan a chakra Fine Obito & Kakashi used the same eyez but what connected dem both, is it the chakra or sharingan
If u say chakra, then u are making Obito a tranmigitant & if u say sharingan, then u are saying the sharingan is a chakra & if the sharingan is a chakra, den u are defending what Keshi did not write.
If Obito can do what the SO6P did, then u are placing him equal to the SO6P.....it'z just like the dead huuga guy transmiting chakra to Ao cos they have the connection of the byakugan eye transplant.
I have never heard where SO6P waz equated as u did with an Obito
Keshi didn't try @all, he ended up making pple confused in hiz story which does nut tell good of a mangaka but I sti respect him in dat he like Oda & co are artist & nut actual literaturist if there is a word like dat anyway

From my own understanding, Rikudo's appearing to Naruto and Sasuke was of his accord and will, he didn't depend on any chakra connection between Indra and Ashura. He appeared to them because that was the time he needed to appear, those 2 brats are possessed by his sons and they are the only ones that can actually do something worthwhile. That condition you were mentioning were only to make him materialize physically.

Rikudo never said chakra connects only family members, he said chakra connects people, so yes Obito and Kakashi are connected by chakra just like everyone else. That's why Naruto could share his among the whole of the force during the war. No matter the difference in chakra nature, chakra came from only one source.

kimco:
Okay let's do this.

By that logic, both of the sage's sons should've have had the rinnegan. None of them did. Only one son had any eye jutsu. Obito had the ten tails within him and he still needed the actual rinnegan. The rinnegan currently requires the mixture of uchiha and senju bloodlines and that ninja should have ems as well.

Again, if we are to take what you are saying at face value, then all ninjas whom the sage gave his chakra to would have had rinnegans. And their descendants too. I'm not seeing that. Once again your reference is correct, but it's very inconclusive and vague. Try again.

Awaiting ur counter points. Don't call me names nomore tosyn.

You are confusing things and digressing. By that logic, we are able to see instances of chakra able to exist in death, grant power to others and take the form of its owner. When Rikudo's chakra met Naruto and Sasuke, it appeared bearing all his features including his 3 syes. When Kushina chakra appeared in Naruto, she was able to suppress Kyuubi and share stories with Naruto. Now when Nagato made his puppets and summonings, they all possess his eyes, same with when Obito made his puppets{they even possessed both sharingan and rinnegan}. You might want to argue that his puppets didn't use his powers to the fullest but don't forget that they are actually dead and he wasn't even the original owner of the eyes.

Now whatever conditions you want have been met, chakra can be programmed, chakra is capable of possessing considering power of its original owner.

PRINCEZUKO1:
Lol....Mutaino, just as I thought, you can't read well.

Tosyno my definition of nonsense is Naruto writing during the war arc. 2008 I saw Naruto series, though it lacked character development, it had consistency. During the war arc, it started losing its consistency. Discussions on naruto site changed to questions, plot holes and debates which had various ideas but none correct....2013 I decided to see what OP looked like since twas rated the best, came across Kingdom and Death Note too.....compared to this 3 series, Naruto war arc, is nonsense..... Hope you heard Tosyno.
I immediately stopped reading Naruto so I'll have time for my final exams (during which I was still reading OP). I only took a week to read through after it had finished and went to see endless debates on narutobase due to the crap writing. So technically, I stopped 2 years ago, I only wanted to see how it ended and saw a crybaby villain and an unnecessary fight between Naruto and Sasuke.

You can try well to cover it up but its still evident that Kishi lost it, apart from the inconsistent writing even his drawings during the war arc had more mistakes than the rest of Naruto put together.

Whatever makes you all happy and dandy fella. But technically, you're the master of contradictions.

hariorh:
lolling at the bolded...

Continue shooting yourself in the foot sir.

I just dey laugh since my brother.


First, that light-headed prince claimed he hasn't touched the manga in 2 years, when the last manga came out September 6th, 2014. I wonder how others hold his words credible.

Now Kimco is super rusty{can't believe I'm even providing excuse on your behalf}.

You(kim) seem to forget, It was after Kaguya ate the fruit that she was able to give birth to a son possessing the rinnegan in the first place. I said it earlier, chakra was the beginning. Now Rikudo Sennin died, but his chakra kept moving through time, decades on decades and was still able to empower those brats{Powers that far surpasses having 2 EMS in one head}. Ashura and Indra blasted themselves, but their chakra didn't dissipate but kept possessing others from childbirth till their death.

Your skull really needs softening if these words don't get in.

PRINCEZUKO1:
Lol....more like preserving my brain for better things ahead rather than past nonsense.

Let's hope you're true to your word this time.


But this,

Emilyhills:
BOBO, taking on this kimco guy is just wasting your time.. Naruto is good, but One Piece is better!

It got me wondering what your definition of "nonsense" really is. And you also seem to spend a awful load of time on the so called "nonsense" things don't you?

PRINCEZUKO1:
Forget the reasons. It has no possible reason. Kishi got high, that's all there is to it.

Dude, you already exhausted you medulla, let the ones who can still think handle things from here.


Kimco-san, I'll get back to you on those, I'm seriously busy as of now.

PRINCEZUKO1:
Lol. See these guys posting manga pages and not understanding what message its passing.
Maybe you failed to understand when he mentioned the mix of kyuubi, Indra and asura chakra mixing up.
All the time as floating chakra, could he do anything or manifest to anyone NOPE, he couldn't.
The only reason SO6P could manifest is that he left fragments of his chakra in these 3 things. And because they were fragments he could only manifest inside them. Naruto as kyuubi jin and asura, Sasuke as Indra and he even got asura chakra again... But after the perfect mix up in Madara, he could come out physically. And whatever he did to make sure of that was before he died. Obito's show is different, with no connection to Kakashi, suddenly appearing inside Kakashi, nonsense.

And who's this 1 saying Byakugan is a normal eye in Naruto Lol. Something that was once introduced and hyped, then later rendered almost useless...even Kaguya's own was useless. And is it not the same Kishi that made someone to recently awake byakugan....Lol.

And did you just say no bijuu was in Naruto when he met the sage? Minato gave him the yin chakra and obito gave him other bijuu chakra. Naruto had all the bijuu chakra complete within him by the time he met the sage..

Chakra connects all

PRINCEZUKO1:
Lol...did the inference I made make you crazy...perharps you're one of those that think that.
If y'all knew its just information then no need to bash other series as if Naruto is all there is because that's where all this started.

Why harping on the SO6P stuff...isn't it clear that he left fragments of his chakra in the kyuubi and also his children offsprings had it, and thats all before he died. That's why Naruto could meet him at almost the point of death through the kyuubi, same with Sasuke through the Senju cells. He also said he's been watching everything through generations while his chakra has remained.

Now Kaguya ate the fruit, and became the 1st human to possess the powers, after her, every other thing started passing down as bloodline limits. The Hyuuga are born with their byakugan, it wasn't a chakra effect, its just the eyes. That's why Ao could still comfortably use it. Same goes for the sharingan, but because the sharingan was sealed down sometime, it then required processes to unlock the powers. Kakashi who is not an Uchiha by any means, was still able to unlock the MS..the power of the sharingan, lies in the eyes, not the type of chakra you have. To upgrade from MS to EMS, you simply take the eyes and plug into another (Though me no gbadu how 2 eyes go dey inside 1 eye socket)....whatever special thing required is already inside the eye.

Now I have your attention!

Hagoromo claims he travels through time in the form of floating chakra(doesn't sound its been sealed) and he also claims here that Naruto "summoned" his soul. So please come up with a better crap.


But how come you agree that Hagoromo's chakra could entrust his powers to Naruto and Sasuke after been dead for eons but you can't accept the fact Obito could entrust his power to someone else even in death? Besides Indra and Ashura's chakra has been possessing transmigrant through generations even after they destroyed themselves.

PRINCEZUKO1:
Lol. Fact bro. Fact. And those defending won't know they're already drifting out from the storyline.

Some idiots here trying to prove that its special chakra that awoke the sharingan....while its a fact that the Father of the clan inherited the doujutsu and its passed down the bloodline, and when pain comes, the chakra only helps to awake the power. The power is already latent in the eye and without the eye, special chakra or not can't do shit. At least we saw Kakashi with his normal chakra upgrading from 2tomeo to MS. Make una dey twist and turn una self there.
Na so I dey pass Ojoelegba yesterday, see some guys dem discussing Naruto and 1 said its the best cartoon the world, I just dey laugh for my mind. See them local champions.....Naruto never even best for im country.

Look at this guy oo. Shey you no look thread name before you enter ni? Abi shey here resemble Ojuelegba ni? The thread name is Naruto Information[i][/i][color=#006600][/color] not naruto comparison. Everyone is entitled to their sentiments and if you can't stand it, the gallows are ever available.


Now that being said, I asked you to just explain this statement of yours

PRINCEZUKO1:
Same goes to SO6P sealing himself inside Kyuubi, and can only do stuff inside there.

and you've just been playing hide and seek with your baseless excuses.

And for all y'all claiming the chakra just powers this and that, please what is the genesis of the juubi? Rikudo Sennin that first possess the Rinnegan, was it because of his eyes or was it because the mother ate the fruit of the juubi which was chakra?

kimco:
And this proves what exactly? That uchiha brain chakra can give anyone sharingan.

I'm just making it clear to you that the sharingan and every other anomaly in Naruto is a product of chakra, the type of your chakra determines what you possess. Or why else do the Uchiha eyes revert to normal after their chakra is exhausted? And mind you, every Uchiha eyes are usually normal eyes until that special chakra is generated. So you saying sharingan is not chakra manifested is very much bizarre.