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budaatum:
Go away! You only know this because you are not still waiting for some future right time to be allowed to eat the fruits of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but like me, you are a thief who decided the right time for yourself and stole it and ate it and can now clearly see because your eyes are open. You this knowledgeable wise person!

It’s funny
How’d you know I would understand this and even smile
Are you sure you’re Nigerian or even of this world lol

There’s hope for us .

Dtruthspeaker:
Have you solved the problems of this world. in your hands?

if not, then you are talking shit.

And all you have done is to still list the same problems you say people can be solve, yet no one man has solved it

Please in all you do don’t quote me wrongly.
“In our hands” not “in my hands”
I cannot solve the world problem alone
The world has to agree and solve the problem together
Or atleast it can start with some people . If we can all agree . 80% of our issues will end

budaatum:
Next you'd be telling me I should not teach my 2 year old how to count 1 2 3, and should wait till I need to teach it calculus.

So, I should not first start by teaching my child the importance of a child safety seat, or even to cross the road safely before I teach it to drive a car? Or is it that you don't think child safety seat and crossing the road safely has anything to do with its eventual learning to drive?

As for me, I taught my children 1 2 3 while they were in my womb, because I want them to have a headstart and be fruitful a million fold and multiply in the billions and replenish the earth and itself and subdue whatever it wants. And the Gods be praised.

For your information, the knowledge of good and evil is not car driving, but the equivalent of brush your teeth in the morning and after eating, and eat your food at the right time, and clean your bum after you poo, and say please and thank you. Basically, I consider knowledge of good and evil to be the very basics of being human or they'd be orangutans.

lol you’re right to an extent. But at that time it was just them in the garden
They were naked even.
Even if you did allllll of this are you going to tell me you won’t test your children in one way ??. The tree was a test, obedience was the answer .
If you were to give your child dominance over your business
Won’t you want to be sure you’re giving a child that follows instructions?

Dtruthspeaker:
It is your inability to understand that God is just Gooder than Good and that is why He stoped dealing directly with man since man took in sin, and therefore appointed His Son, The same LORD to deal with with the us.

Which is why the bible clearly stated that He cannot stand sin which is what you Holiness means.

So, how can He Who cannot let sin near Him for His Holiness destroys all sin, which is why you see no Human came near Him in the mountain of Sinai, except consecrated Moses, and the even at that Moses only one saw His Back.

So how canI He have evil which is sin in Him?

You are talking of a human being for it is them who have both good and evil in them.

Another point for God's complete goodness is that He does not do evil Himself but hs officers who execute such judgments, eg the angel He sent to kill Balaam, the angel which wiped out Egypts first born, the angel who wiped out the isrealites when they angered Him, the angels who wiped out sodom and Gomorrah etc.

God possesses both qualities that what keeps the balance.
God demands righteousness from us
Clean heart
He is God and that’s what he desires from us .
He is both the holiest and also the evilest
Now being evil isn’t a sin
A sin is going against Gods command

Now God can’t commit a sin
Cause it’s his own command
But we and everything else created can.
You understand
He can’t sin
Because for it to be a sin it has to offend him

Do you understand

FayaBall:
But even you know it is no lie for they did die in "the day" for a day to God is a 1000 years and Adam died being 930 years, so therefore, he died in the day, exactly as God said.

But you are a Devil here to deceive, steal and kill and destroy.

Liartum the Devil!

You are confused
Adam didn’t die that day he lived long
He even gave birth and his children
Where still blessed and punished by God
All of that wasn’t one day. You will surely “Die”
Before eating that fruit God has planned for Adam to live forever
That is Adam would eventually eat both the fruit of knowledge of good and evil and also the tree of immortality. Thus making Adam immortal.
But Adam eating of the didn’t allow him fulfill the purpose cause he won’t be allowed to stay in the garden or eat the other fruit that would make him immortal . Thus Adam would “surely die”
Adam wasn’t meant to surely die . But now we all are all meant to surely die

budaatum:
No one is claiming it meant "dominion over each other" or just over land. If you bothered to attempt to understand my post you will see I included dominion over Nepa, and ebi npa wa.

You do after all need knowledge to have light, no, and to have an abundance of food so you do not starve, right?

Please note that it is not only dominion, but also be "fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue".

I'm going to now include be "fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it, and have dominion" over ignorance, because I strongly believe people must have dominion over their own ignorance if they want to love their neighbours as they love themselves, which the ignorant will find impossible to do.

Some very intelligent bright person even said in this thread that "In order to be able to create what doesn’t exist you must first know what it is", and, "You’re clearly not that bright". Would that very bright intelligent person say that about a person who has bothered to nourish themselves with the fruits of the trees of the knowledge of good and evil?

Basically, if an ignorant person says "let there be light", or "let there be food in abundance", would there be light and food in abundance?

No there won’t be.
They would have been given both knowledge and everlasting life , but not yet. The first lesson they had to understand Was obidience . Like I said will you give your disobedient 7 year old son a car to drive . Wisdom doesn’t fall from heaven . You have to grow in wisdom.
Jesus went to the temple to read scriptures
And in grew in wisdom and understanding
But even at that time he couldn’t perform miracles on a big scale. Patience obedience are very hard but important lessons

budaatum:
See person wey smarter than even me!



"Would have been eaten anyway" when, and by whom?


Think? Please!

I don't need to be thinking what is clearly written for me to see and read if I but open my eyes and look!

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.


Well, that might apply to the stupid ignorant naked enslaved Adam. As for me whom God has told to go and be "fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue", I need the knowledge now, and must start consuming it from the very moment I was created. You after all will not wait till some "right moment" before you start educating your own children, so why would my God who began fashioning me from inside my mother's womb be waiting for some future right moment that is long after I am created?

Some extra smart people would even start at the moment they began looking for a partner to make their child, and I'd expect my God to be much more smarter than them and start feeding me fruits of knowledge even before my great great grand parents were being thought of being born.

Me your kid is 7 and he tells you dad I want to drive your car. Will you give him the key ??
It’s so hard to teach a 7 year old how to drive a car
But it’s so easy to teach a 19year old
Do you understand . In the right time they would have been given the fruit . But it wasn’t yet time they weren’t ready for it yet

budaatum:
I hope you are aware that along with "Dominion over one another", Britain dominated a lot of the land of the earth too, including the United States of America at one point.

Yes even the great khan empire dominated almost the full world at a point.
What I’m saying to you is
The promise wasn’t dominion over each other . It was dominion over the things adam named

FayaBall:
See how little you know!

How dem wan run am when the fruit had changed who they were even the sense to go eat the fruit of life, you think it would kick in?

How many times have you been in situations where your sense no work, and it was later you said ah, I should have done it this other way ooo. Now you are here thinking you get sense pass dem.

You know nothing Jon Trebor!

I didn’t say I’m wiser than them. I was analyzing what my friend up there said. It’s all human nature.
If you just read rather than look for how to attack
I feel you’ll be able to give more meaningful comments

FayaBall:
What shall a Devil do but steal, so you confess who you are, no surprise there!

Thief your thief on your own as is expected of you but stop looking for innocent people to drag down to your thieving and evil level.

So you in your entire existence hasn’t stolen anything before.
I’m not saying it’s good to steal
But if you aren’t perfect do not judge who isn’t also imperfect.

FayaBall:
See it, now that you can not answer you have changed post to we do not create anything and then you moved to colour, and then to, you have to know a thing to create a thing in contradiction to your we do not create anything.

Ha! You are just a confused and mad mofo!

You have no knowledge to pass, just RUBBISH and more RUBBISH. Hissssss!

“We do not create anything”
In order to be able to create what doesn’t exist you must first know what it is .
There’s no contradiction
Your mind can’t comprehend it
Meet someone more enlightened than you are
You’re clearly not that bright .
There’s no contradiction
“Atoms can’t be created or destroyed they just change from one form to another “
We haven’t created anything
We just convert wood to coal, wood to papers e.t.c we didn’t create wood. It’s an easy concept like I said meet someone intelligent to break it down for you

That is to say we didn’t create evil
We just take Evil and modify it to perform many more evil
Evil was created by the creator.
Thanks for sharing

budaatum:
I would not agree that all humans have dominion and multiply and subdue.

Now, if you are talking about countries like tiny UK who dominated and subdued Nigeria and enslaved millions of Africans I would not argue with you, because I can see how it can be said that they dominated and subdued. But if you are talking about Nigeria where Nigerians on the whole don't see the benefit of eating the fruits of trees of knowledge, and fear they will surely die on the day that they eat thereof, and can't even dominate darkness but yell Nepa everyday, and ebi npa wa, I would argue we don't dominate anything, and never will until we include fruits of knowledge in our diet.

Dominion over one another is a different thing.
Right now you can go to the forest and catch animals
No animal dares enter the city.
Even snakes etc run from us
Even gorillas that are stronger than us do not try to conquer us.
But we conquer them and decide which we can eat which of their land is good for us to live in etc. now that’s dominion
Man is at the top of the food chain.
You in nigeria has the same dominion over all creatures on earth.
You just don’t have dominion over other men .hope you understand

budaatum:
Someone has accused me of twisting, so let us be clear that the tree was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and it was the fruit of that tree that Eve found was "good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise", that she ate and fed to Adam.

Now me, if put in that garden, would eat that fruit. In fact, as soon as that God turns his eye, I will not wait for any serpent, but would steal that fruit myself and eat it. But perhaps that's because i like to be wise instead of a naked ignorant slave, unlike some.

I am most definitely aware that in order to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth", I would need wisdom. So why would I not nourish myself with fruits that give it and enable me to determine between good and evil? Can the ignorant be fruitful and multiply and replenish and subdue and have dominion?

In fact, tell me why you would rather I prefer that I have no knowledge to decide for myself what is good and what is evil.

Do you want buda to be an ignorant naked slave?

If I was in the garden as soon as I ate the fruit of good and evil, am rushing off to eat the fruit of immortality . But them no run am. lol
Yea so what’s your point from your question by the way?
The tree was in the garden
It would have been eaten anyway, cause God doesn’t eat human food
Neither does the angels
So who do you think the tree was for ??
The three was a promise
In time and in the right time we would have been both given all the fruits
Just like the prodigal son rushing to claim his inheritance
Didn’t he come back poor . That’s just the way it was .
The fruit would have always been given to Adam and Eve but at the right time

budaatum:
You lack understanding of the narrative you refer to above.

God, created humans in His own Image, but you, like many, think that creation in Genesis 1 is the same as the creation of ignorant enslaved Adam in Genesis 2, and you blame the gods for your lack of understanding.

Have you not ever asked yourself why humans that were created in God's image to "be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth" and were given "every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food", were then reduced to ordinary gardeners who must not eat the fruits of the tree of knowledge?

Can humans who do not eat the fruits of knowledge "be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion" over anything at all?

Would all will be well if they had remained naked ignorant slaves had Eve not, as you call it, "disobeyed and ate that fruit" by using her God given senses to test if the fruit of knowledge would kill her?

Or is it that it bothers you that you must work before you eat, and would rather your daily bread fall into your belly like manna from heaven for all to be well with and for you?

Basically, does knowledge kill, or is it not ignorance that kills?

That tree wasn’t the tree of knowledge.
That tree was the tree of knowledge between good and evil.
Meaning basically before then
Adam can do what is wrong but he won’t be judged for it because he doesn’t know it’s wrong. And humans have dominion and humans multiply up till now so I’m missing your point.

ThatWriterBoy:
To this I would quote Shai Linne. He said, and I quote, "God's wrath is a perfection for which He should be adored."

What you call "evil" is not as it seems.

God is a righteous judge. And as a righteous judge He must punish sin. Every ounce of human suffering is just us getting what we rightfully deserve, and any good we enjoy is just an act of mercy that God, the righteous judge, is not obligated to give us.

You can't call it evil if we deserve it can you?

I’m not calling him evil because of that.
He is evil cause he created “evil” in the first place.

TheBillyonaire:
Which of the Gods, cos the God Civilization is way more larger. Human Civilization is like a coin in an ocean and with Ocean being the God Civilization, in essence there are more Gods than Humans.

Well I’m referring to the God of the human civilization

Abrahamweb:
So, according to your analysis,god created blacks and forgot about us till the whites decided to come and use us as slaves.
He left us for thousands of years for the devil to torture us.
Does that sound like a good God.
He ordered Israelites to attack their neighbors because they were not serving him, even helped Israel to conquer and kill thousands of people, children, women, pregnant women and he calls himself their creator/Father.
Will your father assist your siblings in defeating you if you don't love him enough,will you call your father a good father.
I know that you will come up and say "you cannot compare God with earthly father"
Jesus said "Let it be on earth as it is in heaven"

Finally someone that is catching on. This is why I’m here for people with such questions.
The answer is deep but it is simple.
The solution to our problems here on earth lies in our hands . But each of us are tooo corrupt and in sync with the rules the ones that lead us and blindfolds us use to control us.
1. You tell your child not to put hand in fire that it’ll hurt
You’ll always have to keep reminding that child
2. Your child put his hand in fire and gets hurt
Your child will never put his hand in fire ever again.
There are different ways to teach your children but God is God cause he decides which he wants to use .

The truth is earth is our heaven
But we “man” are the ones being cruel to our fellow “man”
No one has to go to bed hungry but even if God gave everyone food to eat
There are those that will steal from some and sell it.
There are those that will kidnap people just to collect their daily food from God. I’ll continue in a bit

Thanks for your question

Dtruthspeaker:
Big Perversion.

Your inability to understand that one being can be both Good and evil
But ability to understand that The three in trinity is One God
Says a lot about how little you understand

FayaBall:
So because He creates Evil therefore He is Evil? See how big a fool you are! And you think you have sense!

Is rat poison not evil to the rat? Does that make the creator of rat poison evil?

Or the creator of anti virus evil?

The fact that a person creates Evil doesn't make a person evil but rather that he does evil, that is where the Judgment is!

Please you can contribute without insults . I don’t think the religion you’re trying to represent will accept your type of behavior, needless to say
We haven’t actually created anything . All we do is use what’s already existing to do something else.
Take a tree cut it down and create paper
Did we really create paper ??
No matter how hard you try you can’t create something outside what the creator has already made for us.
That’s why you can’t envision a new color.
In order for you to envision a new color you must know how it looks like.
I.e in order for you to create evil you must know what evil is.

I know my explanation might fly over your head cause you’re looking to argue and defend.
I am trying to pass knowledge maybe not to you but to a few . Thank you for your contribution.

FayaBall:
You ask that he not say anything inciteful yet your header and topic in itself is inciteful and full of hate and wickedness.

You have started the incitefullness already and in response thereto I say you are very very evil and the most hateful and evil being in all the Universe!

Your post in itself is full of rants and incoherence and clearly calling God evil for the evil and clear and direct acts of others and then for dishing out to them the consequences of their actions.

You did not blame the man who exercised his freewill wrongly and in such a way that brings the bad consequences to him neither did you blame the Devil who did the direct evil but rather God who did no evil in any of this, guy, you evil gon gon and you neva see suffer!

You will suffer eh, when suffering is mentioned, you shall be the poster boy!

I didn’t mean for my Topic to provoke you to hate , I wanted it to provoke you to thought.
I never blamed God for any action committed by man
Neither do I blame him for the actions of the devil.

Now your issue is with the word “evil” being associated with God.
But you fail to realize that if it isn’t it means your God isn’t capable. Let me explain
God is omnipotent
Only he knows how “void” looks like
No matter how you try you can’t picture it
And mind you void isn’t pitch black.
God is Good God is Bad
God is the light
God is the dark
If he isnt then he isn’t God.
He created the light and separated them
He created the trees the water and the fishes you and I


So where did evil come from?
Did it just appear?
So you say he created it but doesn’t mean he uses it ?
How does he know how Evil will behave?
If he himself hasn’t been able to identify evil behavior?
All we do is emulate what’s already been created .
What the devil does is put circumstances before us to draw out our evil and negative side.
The devil didn’t possess us or create us
We were created in the image of our maker .
A perfect being. And in us is both Good and Evil

Dtruthspeaker:
There is nothinh to distinguish.

Look at the phone or device you are using, if someone was of really claiming ownership, you would not be able to use it comfortably.

But, because it is free from encumberance therefore, whether anyone says it belongs to another person, both you and the phone are in peace as it continues to doing all that you have commanded.

So even if Mugu's devotees claim it is not your own, you are not bothered nor do you open your mouth to foolishly start arguing with them. because it is already proven beyond all doubt by fact and fiction Law that the phone you are using is yours.

Be honest with yourself and state one of the “ proof f beyond doubt “ of Christianity or Islam or any religion.
There is no proof that
No one can contest and say it can only be God.
Your phone is proven yours cause their are receipts
People saw you buy it . The pin on it is yours . Etc
Tell me one proof of your religion.

Now this isn’t to say that because of the lack of proof the religions are scams
But it is to say that God doesn’t want to be acknowledged with some certain individuals or churches.

Great prophets in the Bible wear able to command miracles.
No pastor currently has been able to do so.
Of course they have to sell miracles
But real undeniable miracle would be shown by God .

Dtruthspeaker:
Sorry, i am not trying to ignite anyone but the topic is already incitting and thus it must be countered equally sharply, especially as his grounds are full of obvious holes. Holes that even ordinary nature has filled already

If you read the post and not hurry to respond sharply you’ll see that I’m not against Christianity . We are on the same side.

johnog4sure:
Good, OP is waking up, do your research about Demurge

lol I’ve been awake for awhile. Just chose now to share. Still thinking of how to share properly tho. I’ll check out demurge anyways
Thanks for sharing

Rexymania:
Op, you're 100% correct judging by what I know. These guys are too scared or far behind to understand you. Just leave them alone

Thank you . While be scared of someone who loves you ? Also yea far behind. That’s why I created this thread apart from them that are ignorant the few that will gain knowledge will gain knowledge. I was an adept guest before I signed up on nairaland

seanery:
YOU BE MUSLIM or CHRISTIAN
I wan confirm something.

Christian
What do you wanna confirm

BondRiv:
Inciteful.

Thank you for the correction
Let me modify my posts

BondRiv:
Perversion. You call good evil, and evil good. Sorry for you.

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Good is good
Evil is evil
I don’t know what gave you that context but hope I’ve clarified it for you
Thanks for joining

Dtruthspeaker:
Even for saying this are you not qualified for destruction?

Is it not your fellow man who is destroying Farotimi because he said something in exercise of his own freewil?

You are just being foolish, sorry to say for we know you are saying all this rubbish because you see that you are qualified to be destroyed by God, Whom the Christians show and prove that He is indeed the only God. thus, you are now wishing God had not given you freewill.

Still not learning from your phones and cars that they are still liable to be destroyed when they do not please their owners.. So there is no escaping destruction whether you have freewill or not.

So, blame yourself for your destruction if you you find that God has marked you up as one of those things He plans on destroying. You could have followed other people like Noah, Daniel and Job to do only the right and good thing.

Bro please let’s refrain from using inciteful words even while enlightening others , so we don’t derail the thread and also respect one another

Dtruthspeaker:
If you saw properly. then you would have seen that creations. andt properties are only owned by one person eg your house, car, phone, mannequins.

So, there is only one God! People are just referring to Him in their dialects or fabricating their own as the golden calf proves since they do not want Him.

This will lead to my next thread.
Cause why won’t God want to distinguish himself from all these frauds, why won’t he perform a modern miracle through one of his prophets , e.g manna fall from the heavens or multiply bread. And have this caught live on camera. So they will be no arguing the fact of who is the true God

Dtruthspeaker:
Whom God wants to destroy He first makes mad!

Since when did destroying a damaged property become evil? or since when did destroying a thing which destroys other things become evil?

Op, once again, you are finished. It was better you were not born, but too late now, you are over.

The first quote you made shows you’re making reference to the gods .
It’s all right thanks for joining in nonetheless. You can ask your questions without adding any slur or inciteful statements and I or anyone will gladly shed more light . Thank you

Mugu44:
So "God" created man.
Gave man freewill.
Then kill man for exercising the freewill He gave man.

As an educated person, does this make sense to you?

Yes it does and it’s very simple. As an Educated person I expect it to make sense to you.

Now let’s do this .
I create a being I want that being to be kind and good.
So I only put kind and good in that being programming
Question?
Is that being really kind and good?.
That being is only kind and good because no matter how hard it tries it doesn’t know anything else.

Question 2
Now I create another being
And I put both kind ,good , evil and hate in that being
And I give that being free will

Then of course I put challenges along the way that will make that being decide each time
Which he wants to use
But that being chooses “kind and good each time “

Other forces meet me and say my challenges weren’t deep enough and still challenge that being with choices

But yet that being still chooses “kind and good” amidst its other choices.

Now which being will you be proud of
The one that only had kind and good programming
Or the one that had kind , good , evil and hate programming but used his free will to always pick kind and good
Answer?

Antwan99:
From this point, I know you don't understand what is meant by freewill which God bestowed onto man after creating him.

It's just like, imagine it was one person who designed the first car. A car is meant to move from one place to another. The direction, location, route, speed, etc are not prescriptive by the designer. It is the driver who determines these.

Simplified, knowing good and evil are characteristics incorporated in a man by God. However, choosing between the two is a capability bestowed upon man without God's interference. That's what the concept of freewill is all about.

Thank you for joining in . Your contributions have been invaluable so far , you have very good understanding