₦airaland Forum

Here you are again, after all the noise you made here in support of fuel subsidy removal, you are back again defending more draconian policies of this government..... Where are the savings and prosperity you tirelessly preached about on this platform that Nigerians will enjoy when fuel subsidy is removed?

nairalanda1:
We have not had light long before tinubu came around. Power cuts have been a way of life for nigerians since 1978.

So, what does that mean.? It doesn't mean that tinubu is doing well, or that tinubu is fantastic.

It means that tinubu is starving the discos and gencos of funding by not letting them charge a cost reflective tarrif.

Experts have repeatedly said it, yet the agbado meister is ignoring them, because he wants to get elected.

Same mistake your past governments , millitary included, have made.

You cannot tell someone to sell something that costs N200 AND above to make, at N61 and below, and expect miracles. No way.

I had no idea the user was a "she".... I do think based on the way she pushes subsidy issue, she may be a major stakeholder in Nigeria's energy sector...

SeeWahala:
This woman no go rest with this subsidy brouhaha

She says subsidy is bad and has to go for Nigerians to witness prosperity . . . Okay we gree. Subsidy don go since 3 years now abi?

Oya, where is the economic prosperity we are supposed to be experiencing now? 🤷🏾‍♂️ Even if it's a 10% improvement in the quality of our lives just point out one achievement.

Ehn . . . Abeg make person help me ask her to point to one thing this yeye government has achieved for the common man with this their impromptu subsidy removal and watch her mouth quiver

Worse is she's a staunch supporter of APC but she's soo ashamed of identifying with them because she wants us to believe she has sense

Nigerians lack of unity required in national elections to produce good leaders is not the same when it comes to a national referendum on Nigeria's unity.... As I said in a previous post here, you can not expect patriotism or national unity when there is a large section of the country that do not feel or want to be part of the country, when there are indigenous people that want their right to self-determination to be honored and respected...

When I say revolution, what I mean is a massive protest involving a large number of Nigerians calling for a national conference to allow for a referendum on the country's unity.... The condition I believe will be that if the government of the day do not honor this request then it should be dissolved to allow for a caretaker interim government with the sole mandate of conducting this referendum which should take place within a year of it's existence....

budaatum:
Explain what you mean by revolution.

What is it that the masses will be doing so we can say the masses revolted?

How will "revolutionary movement pushed by the masses" be achieved by "Nigerians lack the unity required for national elections"?

You fail to understand Nigeria's root problem hence you keep pushing for elections as a silver bullet, a futile exercise that will only end up installing another stooge to continue the status quo.... Nigerians lack the unity required for national elections to bring about good governance..... Tinubu will never want to play by the book as long as 2027 election in which he will participate in is concerned..... I believe a revolutionary movement pushed by the masses will need to happen for a national referendum on Nigeria's unity to take place. Only when this is done can elections make a difference and true democracy thrive in Nigeria, that's if the majority agree not to disintegrate the country....

budaatum:
75% of registered voters in Nigeria going out to vote is a revolution!

And it is a referendum too, just not on what you'd rather it be about.

truthera, I am not a god believing person but I can tell you that all the gods around the world are working towards this revolution. The record turnout at the next USA president election will show the world the power of voting, and because we see it with our own eyes we too will learn that power and use it.

Unless we want to continue to suffer, of course.

El-Rufai is been detained and persecuted simply because he is part of the opposition.....

AMINDA:
Word salad borne out of fear of the man, Elrufai. The ICPC is now investigating a case of alleged wire tapping under Tinubu's government. What happened to the 420 billion naira allegation? When will Elrufai be arraigned in court? What is Tinubu afraid of?

You are right but sadly Nigeria is not a normal country..... You will get attacked for posting this by your fellow Nigerians who are being killed by terrorists especially those from south west region.... I've written about this severally, how can one claim that Nigeria is a democratic state if Nigerians can not protest for Tinubu's impeachment? If Nigeria was a sane country, Tinuhu should've been impeached and removed from office since last year, if not for the gross failure on security but for the tax law forgery scandal..... Until Nigerians see the need to fight for a national referendum to either decentralize or disintegrate the contraption, there is no hope of addressing these issues.... Under Tinubu, Nigeria is literally a lawless one-party state masquerading as a democracy ....

As it stands, only a revolution can bring about a national referendum as Nigeria's government has gone to the dogs....

budaatum:
This is actually worth staying for. I appreciate its lack of ad hominems.

Yes, I am familiar with "Indigenous land rights", it "affirms rights to self-determination, culture, identity, education, health, and land ownership", and I do not disagree.

As a Nigerian, I can determine myself, practise my own culture, identify myself by any name I want and go and learn if I want to. My health is according to my wallet, I confess, but I can buy land wherever I want. I can even use my better pass my neighbour to cool myself at night while my noise disturbs their sleep, so I must have my "indigenous land rights" and more in Nigeria as it is, but I will understand if you are telling me that you can not affirm your own rights to self-determination and practise your own culture and identity however you want and go to school for education and maintain your own health and buy land so you own it. Our situations may not be the same, and that I accept.

A confession. I have not known your tribe so far as I have not done the research, and up till now have worked on the basis that you could be Yoruba or Igbo or even from the North. Just thought to ensure you know. I will go to find out after posting this.

I am from the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun in Osun State in the Federal Republic of Nigeria, which is in West Africa in Africa, which is one of the continents on earth. I am from the Yoruba land where I feel I can say most have such rights, and yes, others should have those rights too, even people from other places must have those rights whereever they are and when they are amongst us, hence Hausas in the Orolu Kingdom since the late 1800s and lots of Igbos here too. We even given a whole village to Christains displaced from their own "Indigenous land rights" in the North of Nigeria. So, yes, "Indigenous land rights" for everyone who comes to our Orolu Kingdom, is literally our motto.

Voting, which I'm upgrading to democracy, and as a consequence of the Nigerian Constitution, which forgive me assuming you'd claim is imposed on you, or rather, us. You are campaigning for a national referendum, which you get by getting a majority in the House of Senate and a majority in the House of Representatives and perhaps a majority of Governors, all elected people we go out and democratically vote for at an election because they offer us a vote on a national referendum that we say we want, but you seriously think elections are pointless and a waste of time?

It's like you are asking me to support a national referendum but not vote for those who would give it to you.

That's ironic.

Anyway. And in case you don't know.

In international law, the right to self-determination for Indigenous peoples is almost universally interpreted as internal, meaning it occurs within the existing borders of a state.

A kangaroo investigation..... How can you call that an investigation when the prime suspect Nuhu Ribadu is still the NSA?

AMINDA:
Word salad borne out of fear of the man, Elrufai. The ICPC is now investigating a case of alleged wire tapping under Tinubu's government. What happened to the 420 billion naira allegation? When will Elrufai be arraigned in court? What is Tinubu afraid of?

Last month, when the news broke over El-Rufai's wiretapping scandal, I had made a post titled - "NSA Wiretapping: El Rufai Detained But Mass Illegal Surveillance Continues" in which I made the case for an independent investigation over what El-Rufai said regarding government officials and agencies abuse of Nigerians data privacy rights. It has been over a month now, no investigation has been done into these allegations, Ribadu and all other parties including telecom operators implicated in the scandal remain free while El-Rufai remains in detention.

If Nigeria's privacy and cybercrime laws can be violated by corrupt politicians and those that are meant to enforce such laws like the NSA, DSS, police and telecom operators without any consequences, how then is Nigeria not a criminal entity? Is it not appropriate to call Nigeria a lawless corrupt country.....? Why is Nuhu Ribadu still the NSA till now? Is he not supposed to step aside to allow for an independent investigation? Why should El Rufai be the only scapegoat? Except the presidency is also complicit over these illegal mass surveillance allegations, I see no reason why heads shouldn't roll over this....

As El-Rufai takes the fall, violation of Nigerians privacy rights continue unabated by government malicious actors, criminals, terrorists and rogue telecom services providers, complicating the fight against the country's security crisis because if this was not the case why the deafening silence? I am not surprised over the glaring injustice against El-Rufai on this issue but I think if Tinubu and his government still has any atom of shame or regard for the law, Nuhu Ribadu should be suspended, all security agencies, telecom operators will need to come clean on how they handle access to the private communications data of all Nigerians through a thorough independent forensic probe. All government officials, private third parties found to be engaging in such criminal data interceptions, hacking, illegal retrieval breaches should be prosecuted.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-PPpfuDCEc

For those who may be naive or ignorant, several security research reports including the video above show that Sim Card vulnerability attacks remains an ongoing security threat that occur at the telecom service operator level, a weak point in any mobile phone's security system allowing unauthorized access to user data. In a scenario were a telecom operator is compromised, malicious scripts can be injected through a phone user's sim card toolkit module to compromise a phone's security and privacy settings. When these attacks are executed at the telecom network level, the victim will most times receive strange anonymized sms text messages that include a payload of obfuscated malicious scripts as shown in the screenshot below.

In Nigeria, these network related criminal activities are happening, several users of some popular telecom networks share their experiences frequently on social media, complains of receiving strange malicious SMS messages, reports of unauthorized sim swap hacking, most of these attacks occur as a result of compromised criminal telecom operators and illegal mass surveillance carried out by government agencies without court order.

For Nigeria to be taken seriously as a law abiding country, a responsible government should be seen to uphold the nation's laws including it's privacy laws, anything less amounts to tyranny and abuse of public trust.... Arresting and detaining El-Rufai while leaving rogue government officials, telecom operators implicated over the scandal is nothing but double standards that only reinforces the notion that Tinunu and his government has no regard for the law or privacy rights of Nigerians....

Are you familiar with "Indigenous land rights".....?

The foundational documents for Indigenous land rights in international law include

The Indigenous and Tribal Peoples Convention, 1989 (ILO 169)

The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples

The Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights

The American Convention on Human Rights, and the American Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples

The Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP or DOTROIP) is a legally non-binding United Nations resolution passed by the General Assembly on September 13, 2007, that delineates and defines the individual and collective rights of Indigenous peoples, including their ownership rights to their land, cultural and ceremonial expression, identity, language, employment, health, education and other issues....

You can not claim that indigenous people have the right to choose if in doing so they are forced to relinquish their ancestral lands which is part of their indigenous heritage.... you are free to disconnect from the thread if that will make you happy.... Thanks

budaatum:
You have every right to choose whether you are Nigerian or not. Just leave the land known as Nigeria and burn your passport after you've left.

What you don't and never will have is the choice to reduce the land known as Nigeria and call it something else. And all your attempts to destroy Nigeria will most surely fail.

Now, know I am almost done with you, and will only resoond if you say something worthy if a response. You repeaing the same thing will be ignored.

You've spoken well, thanks for weighing in here

Reading your comment, I do think your opinion is not so different from mine, why do I say this?

You said and I quote below

givedemwotowoto:
Democracy is an agreement between the people on how they want to be government. When parties breach the agreement, it's still the participants who can push for reforms or fix the problem. Democracy doesn't execute itself.

The key word that binds, powers, oils and keeps the system running is "agreement".... The people must come together and agree without compulsion for democracy to exist.... It is same with nation building, the people must be allowed to exercise their consent to agree to create and build a nation.... A united nation must exist before true democracy can thrive, sadly, Nigeria's root problem is none existence of the former. When there is no unity among the people as result of a forced arrangement, what you get is an oppressed frustrated sectional deprived people, asking them to uphold national values, democratic norms, vote patriotically in such circumstances will be a futile exercise.

You said and I quote below.

givedemwotowoto:
On Referendum, your politicians (governors, senators, house of reps members) are the ones who will advocate for those for it to be taken seriously, so the sooner you troop out of your homes and elect people who will do that for you, the better.

One reason why I created this thread is to make the case for a people driven national referendum not a government backed referendum because the country's situation has gotten so bad that only the worse set of corrupt selfish Nigerians now occupy about 99% of all public offices both in the executive, legislative and judicial branches at the federal level.... nothing progressive like a referendum can be achieved through government under this circumstances.... I believe it will require a revolutionary mass movement of the people to get it done, this is why we are having this conversation..... hopefully, Nigerians will see the need to push for their freedom instead of participating in a rigged cosmetic system that only reinforces retrogression......

givedemwotowoto:
I will respond to some of the issues you raised.

Your fears are very valid, but your conclusions are extremely faulty. In almost every facet of life, your test your theories to confirm them. In business, if you assume that selling oranges in the market will be a great way to make enough money, you put it to test by plucking or buying a few oranges, then taking them to market. In science, if you cure a disease out of water and sand, you develop it and test it on close relatives to man etc. In tech, if you believe you can build the best software that everyone wants to use, you go ahead and build a prototype and test it out with the public.

Your conclusion is extremely faulty because you haven't tested it out. This is where I need you to show me cases of elections in the world where the President was overwhelmingly outnumbered heavily with turnout, but successfully manipulated the election. I already showed you a case of voters fighting back in the U.S. with the 2020 election, but it didn't stop there. Despite not believing in the credibility of the election, Republicans recorded one of the highest turnouts in history in the 2024 Presidential election. Even Elon Musk started giving people incentives to come out and vote, because they knew that turnout was the problem

This is where I think Education on Democracy is very very important. The biggest problem I think that exists in Nigeria today is that people don't fully understand democracy. They don't understand their role in democracy.

Democracy is an agreement between the people on how they want to be government. When parties breach the agreement, it's still the participants who can push for reforms or fix the problem. Democracy doesn't execute itself.

Democracy has different branches: Executive, Judicial, Legislative and so on. These branches are meant to counterbalance one another, but they can also connive with one another and work against the people. This is where many people get confused.

The people are the ones meant to protect democracy. Once the branches of government fail, the people are the last resort before the system collapses. In democracy, people are supposed to be watchful of everything the government does. You don't just pay taxes and go home to sleep, hoping that the government is doing their job. You stay vigilant on every action the government takes. It's your responsibility to ensure the 3 branches don't collude against you. It's your tax money that funds them.

Once these branches connive to become more powerful than your collective voices, you become powerless.

What am I saying? Those things you're asking for will never happen, if you're waiting for them to happen before you do your job. Nobody will give you power on a platter, the power is yours only if you can recognize and take it.

It will get worse, if you don't fight back. What you're seeing now is only the beginning.

If you truly understand democracy, I will encourage you to take a microphone and start preaching it to others around you waiting for things to change before they participate, or waiting for someone else to do it for them.

For now, what you're doing is helping the government, and I hope that's not your mission.

On Referendum, your politicians (governors, senators, house of reps members) are the ones who will advocate for those for it to be taken seriously, so the sooner you troop out of your homes and elect people who will do that for you, the better.

If the system is so corrupt that nobody can be elected, how did Alex Otti become governor? The turnout for the governorship election in Abia in 2023 was only 11% and that's why they almost succeeded in rigging him out because of the small margin of victory. Imagine if the turnout was 75% against them.

Being in your mother's womb or depending on your parents while growing up doesn't mean you've no freedom, it is only a temporary stage you must pass through before you can stand on your own.... I do not agree with your submission because slavery simply means dehumanization, I am certan you won't want to live as a slave, knowing you've no freedom.....

budaatum:
Freedom is not the source of any life whatsoever! You are not free in the 9 months you are incubating in your mother's belly, and you definitely are not free in your first few years when you depend on mum's tlts or father's money.

You can even be a slave in chains and give meaning to your life, so this your rational fails at its start, and discredits whatever followed. Sorry.

If you truly love the other tribes, you will support their right to choose..... You will support national referendum because you will want the best for the other tribes.... What I see from your utterances so far is fear of the unknown and obsession not love.....

budaatum:
Well, I guess wanting to coexist with other tribes can be deemed as tribal. I love my other tribe neighbours so much that I don't want you to go.

Can Nlfpmod give this thread a boost by featuring it on the home page.... It will help if more divergent views are made on this thread.....

Yes she spoke well and was spot on..... Don't mind the misleading comments above by Tinubu's agbado sycophants....

zeuss:
SHE MADE SENSE

When a people do not subscribe to a nation this is what you get, sectional selfish tribal sentiments over national progressive ideals.... You are wrong to blame the voter as voting ignorantly for exhibiting such sentiments because the truth remains that it is lack of patriotism and national unty that is the main motivating factor behind this..... Expecting voters to vote based on national interests or Nigerians to genuinely support patriotic national initiatives when they can not exercise their basic right to express their true position on Nigeria's unity is akin to putting the cart before the horse.... It is simply not possible....

budaatum:
The above is not about bad leaders but about stupid voters who are ïgnorantly "skewed to favor sectional selfish tribal sentiments over national progressive ideals".

And the good thing is, if people vote ignorantly, they deserve all the suffering their wrongly elected leaders serve them.

Freedom is the source of life, without freedom, life has no meaning.... If a national referendum on Nigeria's unity will end up splitting the country into 100 other countries I see nothing wrong with that, provided that is what the people want..... The problem comes when you try to force a fake unity, a fake marriage without seeking their consent.... Indigenous people should have the right to choose if you must build a progressive nation.... Note that it is Nigerians that will champion the actualization of this national referendum through a revolutionary mass movement and not corrupt selfish Senators and Reps members in Nigeria's national assembly. Also, I noticed that you seem to be scared of a national referendum because of separation but it may surprise you that a large section of the country may vote to remain in Nigeria when given the chance to exercise their consent.

You said "Smart people know that splitting Nigeria into what could end up being like a hundred different nations is not viable".... You are simply being selfish by saying this and that is not smartness.... A forced union is simply a prison, an abusive relationship that can't foster peace... patriotism will continue to diminish until people's right to choose are respected and not trampled on to force one Nigeria.... The country will continue to retrogress, no voting or elections can save this country or inspire true patriotism as it is built on a forced fake union, it is built on lies....

budaatum:
As for your so called "national referendum on hoNigeria's unity", I hope you've noticed that no person willing to lead or occupy any position in Nigerian's leadership is offering any such nonsense and asking you to vote for them so they give you a referendum. You would at the least need enough of those in the Senate and House of Representatives to vote for a referendum and you currently have none.

Smart people know that splitting Nigeria into what could end up being like a hundred different nations is not viable. My own Ifon Osun would want a separate nation from our brethrens in neighbouring Ilobu Osun. Lots of parts of what could be Biafra don't want to be in the same nation as the Igbos, and you can not possibly separate an Hausa nation from a Fulani nation even with a surgical knife despite some asking for a split like you are!

You made it clear that the 2023 election was in your own words "as fair as fair can be" and that you do not support referendum due to tribalistic considerations when you said the following below....

budaatum:
Tinubu beat my Obi at the last election, period. Fair has nothing to do with it, though I'd argue it was as fair as fair can be.

Nigeria will not and should not conduct a national referendum on Nigeria's unity. Our unity is not up for a referendum! I for one would not welcome such nonsense because I need the other tribes to challenge my tribe or my tribe will instal an oba who's decendants will rule in perpetuity with no democracy to remove them.

You are also wrong for saying that any one can leave Nigeria when it is also not true when you said and I quote below....

budaatum:
No one is forcing anyone to be Nigerian or patriotic or be nationally united. You have a choice in the matter and can always go elsewhere if you don't wish to subscribe to Nigeria

Because no indigenous people can leave Nigeria with their ancestral lands to form their own country....

Okay but what I am trying to say that you seem not to get is that patriotism and national unity can only exist when the people are not been forced to subscribe to a country against their will, consent is key here....

I will repeat once more that the national referendum on Nigeria's unity which you continue to oppose out of glaring selfish tribal instincts you mentioned in an earlier comment you made here remains the main reason why true patriotism and national unity can not be achieved thereby having a negative impact on Nigerians voting pattern and electoral processes.... Don't expect capable competent leaders to be elected under this circumstances as voter participation and election outcome will always be skewed to favor sectional selfish tribal sentiments over national progressive ideals....

budaatum:
I think you do not understand me, which is not really your fault, still, I'll try to keep this short.

First, "elections and voters choice" is one way of showing "patriotism and national unity". You vote because you are patriotic and want good for your country Nigeria.

Second, "elections and voters choice" is not a solution, but is you participating in choosing those you think or believe will solve the problems Nigeria faces. It's also how you keep out those whom you think will create more problems for you in Nigeria.

As for "trust in the Nigerian electoral system", I'm afraid I have very little, since people like you refuse to participate and continue to show me why I can't even trust you would go out and vote. What I do trust, however, is that the more you continue to not get out and vote the more you'd be led by leaders who will make you suffer, which will hopefully make you eventually decide to go and vote to elect leaders who will reduce your suffering.

The date I have for this happening is sometime in 2126. You'd have suffered long enough by then from being badly led that I believe your descendants will become patriotic and decide to vote for better leaders.

As for all the other stuff, Inec, bad courts, etc. These are the things you are electing competent leaders to help you fix when you can be bothered to vote for such capable leaders. Until then you'd wail about the bad leaders elected for you I guess, sadly.

You've continued to emphasize on elections and voters choice as being Nigeria's major problem when in reality the main problem is patriotism and national unity.... I asked you these questions to gauge your perspective towards Nigeria's absurd electoral outcomes. I don't understand the rationale behind the total trust you continue to place on Nigeria's electoral process when a contestant due to the privilege he enjoys as a seating president gets to appoint and control the head of the umpire (INEC) that will conduct and determine the result of an election in which he will participate as a contestant. In all you've said so far, your failure to acknowledge that rigged elections can also happen when presidential candidate chooses to impose his will on INEC as the seating president, exposes your naivety towards the deep systemic flaw that pervades Nigeria's electoral process. Also, how do you hope to get justice in court over potentially manipulated elections when the judiciary has shown itself to be willing tools in hands of corrupt politicians..... When judges that are meant to be independent are seen in public accepting gifts from politicians of the executive branch?

All these surface issues I mentioned earlier, you are witnessing are only symptoms of the real issue which is at the root of Nigeria's existence. If the people can not exercise their basic fundamental rights to choose, give their consent over their willingness to belong or not to belong to a country, how then do you think patriotism and sustainable unity can be cultivated to tackle these issues? You can not expect a people forced into a union, who do not trust or accept themselves to make genuine sacrifices towards nation building, you can not expect a maximum participation in elections from them or think that they will vote based on national progressive ideals over sectional selfish tribalistic sentiments.... Presidential electoral outcomes based on these circumstances will continue to reinforce the notion that there is no unity among Nigerians, as a result of this, no good leader will be able to garner the support needed to rise and run a progressive inclusive government.... This is why an igbo presidency remains a taboo, no matter how hard you try to push Peter Obi, the foundational fault lines in Nigeria's polity will always prevail, it will never allow an igbo man like him become president even if he wins.

All these political anomalies can not be addressed effectively if the unity of the people remains illusory as is the case now.... Only a free and fair national referendum can create the condusive environment for the people to exercise their true freedom towards building a better progressive just society that they can be proud of....

budaatum:
There are no valid reports Tinubu did not win the last election. My Obi contested it in court and sadly lost!


The only indice that matters is votes, and if my opponent got more votes than I get, I lost and would gracefully accept I lost. If the people voting agree Tinubu's government has failed on all fronts especially on security, and that it is a terrible government, they elected me instead.

In case you are not aware, Tinubu got 9m votes while the two other closest contestants got 6m each. That's a very clear loss on my part, and sadly, a total rejection of me.


I never said the last election was fair. Be honest please! It was what it was.

I do not need to justify anything. I can go to court to present my case and contest the result, but in the end I'd have to accept I lost and try to win better next time.


The majority of voters showed the reflection of their mood at the last election by giving Tinubu 9m votes and the other two 6m each, and if that is a "product of a sophisticated rigged election", which you have no evidence for and can not prove, then I should perhaps go learn sophistication of my own for next time.


It's Nigeria, so yes, it would make sense since its obvious that the majority do not agree with you that Tinubu is a bad leader.

APC was a bad leading party under Buhari according to some, but he won two elections, and Nigerians still voted for the same party for a third term. If APC were bad, you'd have elected me instead. Sadly, most, about 75% of those registered to vote didn't even bother to go and vote and are now wailing bad leader!


And that is your perogative. Just don't expect sympathy from me when the so called bad leaders are voted again to lead you badly because you can not be bothered to vote for me!

I can wait for when you have decided you have suffered enough so you'd elect me, and if you don't elect me I'd eventually accept you want to continue suffering and don't want to be led by me if I continue to not get enough votes to win and lead you.

Do know that I do not accept that Tinubu rigged the last election. You and no one else has provided any evidence he did, and I'm not taking your word he did.

Oh! And vote for my Obi at the next election please, or anyone else so long as it's not APC that you are trying to convince me is terribly bad. And if you think the current leader rigged, consider trying harder to ensure your vote counts next time. It's part of your responsibility to ensure your vote counts after you've voted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJxuy17yb8g

Tinubu, governors, ministers, military generals go on a jamboree in UK while Nigeria's situation worsen as terrorists bomb Maiduguri and Nigeria plunged into darkness over gencos huge debts....

This may be the reason why Tinubu invested billions on Aso Villa solar installation.... he knew about this impending doom over mounting debts.... To demonstrate the height of irresponsibility he is busy partying in UK while Nigeria is in darkness....

I will pretend to accept your continued stance over voting making a difference and Tinubu winning the last election fairly even when there are several reports that he didn't so as to ask some questions I hope you will answer truthfully....

Let's assume you are Peter Obi or running as yourself in the next election against a terrible government like Tinubu's government that has failed on all fronts especially on security, will you accept a result that declares your opponent a winner in an election in which all indices points to a total rejection of your opponent's government and party? How do you justify your earlier stance of a fair 2023 election if such reoccurs again in 2027? Won't you declare such a result that does not reflect the mood of the majority as a product of a sophisticated rigged election? Does it make sense to you that a bad leader like Tinubu will get a second term? Of course it doesn't and can't make sense but that will be the outcome of next year's election not because many Nigerians like you didn't vote against him but because of the cosmetic union designed to foster retrogression that has been active since Nigeria's independence....

I do not share in your warped sentiments of heaping all national problems on voters choice and elections because Nigeria's underlying fragile unity is built on lies and injustice.... It is futile asking me to run for office in such circumstances, as I stated earlier, this dysfunctional foundation will continue to haunt all democratic processes including elections, the economy and government until it is tackled and addressed by Nigerians.....

budaatum:
Yes, I am part of the problem Nigeria faces and responsible for all your hardship.

Now, if only you would go and vote for your prefered candidate, we'd hold you responsible too even if your candidate lost like my Obi lost. But note even he is not campaigning for a breakup of Nigeria, so you might need to run for president yourself so you can exercise as much freedom as you like.

Then you are part of the problem for supporting Nigeria's forced cosmetic unity because a union built on mutual understanding is measured by the level of freedom that can be exercised within it..... When it is forced as it is been done in Nigeria then it is no longer a fair union but an unwanted prison for all parties involved.... True patriotism to one's nation is measured by uncompulsive willingness to sacrifice for the greater good of others and not only for yourself.... Nigeria will remain a retrogressive nation, it's unity will remain a lie until it is tested on the alter of truth through a free and fair national referendum that will allow all indigenous people to express their true position about it.... 2027 election will come and pass as you and so many others pretending about Nigeria will complain once more all over social media about APC controversial election victory, you will continue to play with surface issues while the real foundational issue remains at the root, frustrating all political and economic processes within Nigeria....

budaatum:
Tinubu beat my Obi at the last election, period. Fair has nothing to do with it, though I'd argue it was as fair as fair can be.

Nigeria will not and should not conduct a national referendum on Nigeria's unity. Our unity is not up for a referendum! I for one would not welcome such nonsense because I need the other tribes to challenge my tribe or my tribe will instal an oba who's decendants will rule in perpetuity with no democracy to remove them.

As for progress, Nigeria is indeed making lots of it. You'd know this if you lived in the 70s and 80s when light would go in Obanikoro and we'd be in darkness for months and spend hours getting out of Lagos because Ikorodu road was jammed with traffic. We didn't even have enough schools then, and some went to the afternoon session with teachers who were tired from morning schooling and didn't bother teaching past noon, to name a few progresses.

Apart from Jonathan's government that pretended to do something about this issue, no other Nigerian leader will entertain or allow a national referendum to take place because they know that it will expose the one Nigeria fraud.... This issue transcends party politics and elections because it is the root of Nigeria's problem....

You know what I mean by a national referendum and not the usual 4 year cycle elections that are conducted to install political leaders. I've made my opinion why successive governments have continued to shy away from conducting a national referendum on Nigeria's unity.... The reason for this coverup, is why Nigeria can never make any progress as it will continue to regress until the truth prevails.... Did Tinubu win the last presidential election fairly?

budaatum:
An election is a referendum. If you don't like the current president, simply elect someone else.

And no, I'm not buying your "Tinubu owns Inec" or you are too poor to vote wisely, especially when only 9 million voted for Tinubu at the last election and about 75% of registered voters sat on their asses and could not be bothered to vote.

And before anyone calls me names, my prefered is Obidient, and my tribe is Tinubu's.

You are free to check my profile if in doubt..... I expect a rich intellectual discourse from you and not the usual gutter petty party politics....

DeLaRue:
So because you fear your preferred candidate may not win in 2027, you now want an urgent referendum.

Interesting.

If you read the post, you will know I've no preferred candidate in any Nigerian election. If you can't proffer any meaningful solution apart from the usual divisive rhetorics of Obi vs Tinubu that pervades this forum then it is best to remain silent...

DeLaRue:
So because you fear your preferred candidate may not win in 2027, you now want an urgent referendum.

Interesting.