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iceboy4752:
The Islamic viewpoint of sin is still far better than that of Christianity. Even though Allah forgives humans of their sins, they still sin. We are not depending on empty salvation by believing that Allah created Adam and created Satan whom He knows will disobey Him and bring in sin that will only require an incarnation of Himself to be offered as a sacrifice to Himself in order to appease us from Himself.

How does that answer the questions?

Irrelevant talk.

Surah 48:1-2 
Lo! We have given thee (O Muhammad) a signal victory, That Allah may forgive thee of thy sin that which is past and that which is to come, and may perfect His favour unto thee, and may guide thee on a right path, 

The above quranic verse is loaded with questions:

1. Why would Allah forgive sins yet to be committed by Muhammad? Did expect his prophet to be sinning?

2. Since Allah was to guide Muhammad in the right path and if capable of doing, why would he still expect him to commit future sins?

A muslim's probability of making aljannah is dependent on the excess of his good deed over his evil deed (sins). Then, if there is forgiveness of sins in islam, why would any muslims still have his sins weighed against him/her on the judgement day?

CyrusTheGreat:
And I guess this god just didn't have any lions to spare for the hundreds of other Christians and Muslims who were murdered by terrorists...?

Are all Christians the same?

Why would you expect the same thing to happen to all?

For the muslims, I don't know who can protect them because they are worshiping the same allaah that commissioned the terrorists to do their act.

analice107:
Welcome back sir.

Thank you my sister.

Remain blessed .

malvisguy212:
long time sir. good to know you are alright. welcome.

Thank you my brother.

Good to hear from you.

God bless you.

papagiddy:
yes i believe we are children of the lion of the tribe of judah!!! Alleluyah!!

Yes, that's the truth.

Muslims should by now come to term with the fact that God is solidly behind Christianity and Christians.

A Group Of LIONS Save Christians From Execution By Islamic Militants, Says Pastor

Apr 21, 2017 by Will Maule

It is a remarkable story of God's intervening hand to save his people. Pastor Paul Ciniraj, director of Bibles for Mideast, says that he and other Christians were rescued from the clutches of death by a group of three lions, according to WND. Ciniraj and his group were under attack from Islamic militants when the giant cats attacked and scared the murderous group away. 

"My risen Lord Jesus Christ has saved my life once again," Pastor Paul wrote, "and I praise and thank God for His unspeakable grace!" It was Easter Sunday when the miracle took place. The pastor was recovering in the home of some friends following a stoning attack by Islamists earlier that day. “Suddenly, a group of militants reached the house, armed with steel bars and other weapons,” he reported to WND.

Pastor Ciniraj thought this was the end of the road for him, and feared for the life of the 80-year-old resident, and several children who were taking refuge in the house alongside him. “Losing all hope, we thought for sure this was our last day,” he said. They only had just one more thing to do: pray. Then, something truly Biblical took place! 

“Completely unexpectedly, a lion ran from the forest, leapt toward the militants, and seized one by the neck. When other combatants tried to attack the lion, two other lions bounded toward them. The terrified militants fled the site, and the lions left us completely alone,” he said.

“Equally astonishing, records show no lions are supposed to live in that forest,” he said. 

Ciniraj reported that he had been approaching the closing of a 21-day period of fasting and prayer. “As that drew to a close, more than 3,000 former Muslims were baptized in many of our churches in Asia, Africa and the Middle East," he said. 

"The Lord enabled me to baptize many people during this time."

What an incredible story of God's power! Praise Him today for His protection!

Why Do Muslims Pray When They Are Not Expecting Miracles?

A miracle is a supernatural thing done by God, especially when one prays for it.

There are challenges in life that only by spiritual power it can be overcome. There are two sources of spiritual power, God and Satan. The Christians who believe in God pray and cry to Him expecting a miracle. We have a lot of instances in the Bible where God demonstrated His miraculous power.

Many prophets in the Bible proved the power of God to demonstrate to people by performing various miracles. In fact, Jesus himself said: without signs and wonders people will not believe a prophet or his message (John 4:48).

But from islamic records, not a single miracle was performed by the islamic prophet, Muhammad to overcome any of life challenges. Although we hear of him splitting the moon, which had nothing to do with solution to man's problems. Those who have one ailment or the other, who approached him didn't get spiritual solutions from him. He would recommend camel urine, dates or zamzam water or any other material substances for them. That was about 1400 years ago.

Today's muslims, when confronted with problems of life, how do you deal with it as you do not pray for miracles to happen? Please note that a servant is not greater than his master. If Muhammad didn't confront lives problems with miracles, it will be out of place for any muslims to claim he can pray to obtain miracle for his or people's problems. Muhammad never did so.

What do muslims do to overcome life challenges without miracles?

Jesus Christ knows how he recovers his own from among the muslims. All he does to recover them is to open their eyes to the falsehoods of islam.

Empiree:
you think he can answer that. Never. Here are dilemmas in Christianity



*AMAZING*

Q: Who is god?
Ans: Jesus

Q: Is Jesus the son of Mary.
A: Yes

Q: Who created Mary?
A: God.

Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus

Q: Jesus is the begotten son.
A: Yes

Q: Who is his father?
A: God.

Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus.

Q: Jesus is a servant of God.
A: Yes

Q: Jesus died on the cross?
A: Yes

Q: Who resurrected him?
A: God.

Q: Is Jesus a messenger.
A: Yes

Q: Who sent him?
A: God.

Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus.

Q: Did Jesus worship while on earth.
A: Yes

Q: Whom did he worship?
A: God.

Q: Who is God?
A: Jesus.

Q: Did God have a beginning?
A: No

Q: Then who was born on 25/DEC?
A: Jesus.

Q: Is Jesus God.
A: Yes

Q: Where's God?
A: In heaven.

Q: How many Gods are there in heaven?
A: Only one God.

Q: Where's Jesus?
A: He is seated on the right hand of his father.

Q: Then how many are
they in heaven?
A: Only one God.

Q: Then how many seats?
A: one

Q: where's Jesus?
A: Seated next to God.

Q: How are they seated on one chair?
A: Its only understood by those with the holy spirit.

Hahaha what a confusion, So beautiful to be a Muslim. May Allah have mercy on us all and grant us His straight path for us not to go astray 'Ameen.

I'm not surprised. Muslims are carnal minded people. They do not and cannot understand the power and the ways of God, a Spirit. The secret of God is revealed to those who have His Spirit. It is impossible for a man in the flesh to understand God.

Empiree:
Actually he NEVER "cenverted" to islam but he (p) was born in it

So to you, Jesus was born in islam but has been converting muslims away from islam? How reasonable is your assertion? As a muslim, one would expect him to convert the Christians to islam, but the contrary is the case. What kind of a Muslim would be driving people away from islam?

Those muslims who have the grace to see Jesus never remained in islam again. There was even one that was already in Mecca and prayed to God and Jesus appeared to him and ordered him to pack his bags and baggages and leave immediately. The guy left Mecca to Turkey immediately and arrived his country as a Christian.

The quran claims Jesus was a Muslim but the fact on ground is that Jesus never converted anybody to islam but Christianity. How true is the quran?

alBHAGDADI:
Very soon it will be aminusanti and udatso meet Jesus Christ.

Amen in Jesus name.

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25-year-old Bashir Mohammad is a former al-Qaeda jihadist who abandoned terrorist ideology and turned to Jesus Christ.

In a recent interview with the New York Times, Mohammad said he fought in the Syrian civil war with the Nusra Front, an al-Qaeda affiliate.

https://gossip.naij.com/1101101-meet-jihadi-jesus-converted-christianity.html

[Quran 24:2] The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

There is no mercy or pity for adulterers and.adulteresses as far as Allah is concerned. In fact, there is no forgiveness even after repentance if Muhammad's example is anything to go by:


Sahil Muslim Book 017, Number 4207:

Imran b. Husain reported that a woman from Juhaina came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and she had become pregnant because of adultery. She said: Allah's Apostle, I have done something for which (prescribed punishment) must be imposed upon me, so impose that. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) called her master and said: Treat her well, and when she delivers bring her to me. He did accordingly. Then Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) pronounced judgment about her and her clothes were tied around her and then he commanded and she was stoned to death. He then prayed over her (dead body). Thereupon Umar said to him: Allah's Apostle, you offer prayer for her, whereas she had committed adultery! Thereupon he said: She has made such a repentance that if it were to be divided among seventy men of Medina, it would be enough. Have you found any repentance better than this that she sacr ficed her life for Allah, the Majestic?

The woman's. repentance was not enough for her to be forgiven. She still had to sacrifice her life. What a pity. This implies that muslims who commit adultery but not caught and killed will definitely go to hellfire as there is no forgiveness even if they repent.

Unfortunately, it is Allah himself who causes muslims to committ adultery, why should he still punish them for it?

Abu Aahuraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily Allah has fixed the
very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in and which he of necessity must commit. The adultery
of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the tongue is the licentious speech, the heart desire
and yearns, which the parts may or may not put into effect (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6421 & 6422)

Is Allah a just god?

The Quran is not stable about the authenticity of the Bible. Allah told Muhammad to ask the Jews who read the Scriptures if he was in doubt about the islamic revelations he was receiving. If the Jews' Scriptures were corrupted, why would Muhammad be referred to it?

Several other.verses of the Quran say the Old and New Testament were authentic. But characteristic of allah's word, he contradicted himself in some other verses.

I don't trust the Quran a bit.

Eno38151:
1 --- You say Abraham was not sent to his people, but he was sent out from his people.

Q - How could he be sent out in the first place if he was not there??

The Quran states that:

“And (remember) Ibraaheem (Abraham) when he said to his people: ‘Worship Allaah (Alone), and fear Him: that is better for you if you did but know.

You worship besides Allaah only idols, and you only invent falsehood. Verily, those whom you worship besides Allaah have no power to give you provision, so seek your provision from Allaah (Alone), and worship Him (Alone), and be grateful to Him. To Him (Alone) you will be brought back’”[al-‘Ankaboot 29:16-17]

After this they sought to kill him but Allah saved him:

After saving Ibraaheem from the fire, Allaah commanded him to leave Mesopotamia and migrate to the Holy Land in Palestine. He married his cousin (the daughter of his paternal uncle) – Saarah – and set out with her and his brother’s son Loot for Syria, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We rescued him and Loot (Lot) to the land which We have blessed for the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)[al-Anbiyaa’ 21:71]

Then great hardship befell the land of Syria, so Ibraaheem moved to Egypt with his wife, then he came back to Palestine, bringing his wife and a slave woman of hers called Haajar. Ibraaheem longed to have children, but his wife was barren and had grown old. When she saw how much her husband longed to have a child, she gave her slave woman, Haajar, to him. So he married her and was blessed with his son Ismaa’eel from her:

After Haajar gave birth to Ismaa’eel, Saarah began to feel jealous, so she asked Ibraaheem to send them away from her. Allaah revealed to Ibraaheem that he should take Haajar and the infant Ismaa’eel and take them to Makkah. So he took them and left Haajar and her child Ismaa’eel in an bleak, isolated place in which there was no water, then he left them and went back to Palestine. Haajar said to him, “For whom are you leaving us in this forsaken valley?” But Ibraaheem went and left her, and she said, “Has Allaah commanded you to do this?” He said, “Yes.” She said, “Then Allaah will not cause us to be lost.”

Ibraaheem submitted to the command of his Lord and patiently bore the separation from his wife and child. Then he turned towards where they were at the Sacred House and prayed for them in the following words (interpretation of the meaning):

“O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in an uncultivable valley by Your Sacred House (the Ka‘bah at Makkah) in order, O our Lord, that they may perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah). So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allaah) provide them with fruits so that they may give thanks”[Ibraaheem 14:37]

Haajar stayed in Makkah, eating the food and drinking the water that Ibraaheem had left for her and her son. When that ran out, she and her son became thirsty. She looked for water, and climbed the hill of al-Safaa but she did not see anything. Then she climbed the hill of al-Marwah but she did not see anything. She did that seven times, then she turned towards Ismaa’eel and saw water gushing from beneath his feet. She rejoiced and drank some, and gave some to her son to drink. Then a tribe – Jurham – came to Haajar and asked her permission to settle by the water. She gave them permission and they settled beside her. When Ismaa’eel grew up, he married one of their women and learned Arabic from them.

During this period, Ibraaheem used to visit his son from time to time. On one of these visits, Ibraaheem saw in a dream that Allaah was commanding him to sacrifice his son Ismaa’eel. The dreams of the Prophets are true, so Ibraaheem resolved to obey the command of Allaah, even though he was old and Ismaa’eel was his only son. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.

And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: ‘O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offering you in sacrifice to Allaah). So look what you think!’ He said: ‘O my father! Do that which you are commanded, In sha’ Allaah (if Allaah wills), you shall find me of As-Saabiroon (the patient).’

Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allaah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);

We called out to him: ‘O Ibraaheem!

You have fulfilled the dream!’ Verily, thus do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers).

Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial.

And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. a ram)”

[al-Saffaat 37:101-107]

Then Allaah gave him the glad tidings of another son, who was Ishaaq, and then Ibraaheem returned to Palestine:

“And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous[al-Saaffaat 37:112 – interpretation of the meaning]

Ishaaq was born to him from his wife Saarah:

“And his wife was standing (there), and she laughed [either, because the messengers did not eat their food or for being glad for the destruction of the people of Loot (Lot)]. But We gave her glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac), and after Ishaaq, of Ya‘qoob (Jacob)”

[Hood 11:71 – interpretation of the meaning]

Then Ibraaheem stayed in Palestine for a while, then he returned to Makkah for an important reason. Allaah had commanded him to build in Makkah the first House to be built for the worship of Allaah. So Ibraaheem undertook this task of construction, and his son Ismaa’eel was lifting up the stones to him. When the walls grew higher, Ibraaheem stood on a rock, and this is the Station of Ibraaheem (Maqaam Ibraaheem) which is to be found in the vicinity of the Ka’bah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) when Ibraaheem (Abraham) and (his son) Ismaaee‘eel (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka‘bah at Makkah), (saying), ‘Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower’”

[al-Baqarah 2:127]

Allaah commanded Ibraaheem and Ismaa’eel to cleanse the House of idols and other impurities so that it would be pure for those who would circumambulate it and stand and bow and prostrate (in prayer). When Ibraaheem built the House, Allaah commanded him to call mankind to perform the Hajj, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And proclaim to mankind the Hajj (pilgrimage). They will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distant (wide) mountain highway (to perform Hajj)”

[al-Hajj 22:27]

Then Ibraaheem offered this great supplication for Makkah and for those who live in it:

“And (remember) when Ibraaheem (Abraham) said, ‘My Lord, make this city (Makkah) a place of security and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in Allaah and the Last Day.’ He (Allaah) answered: ‘As for him who disbelieves, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the torment of the Fire, and worst indeed is that destination!’”

[al-Baqarah 2:126 – interpretation of the meaning]

Then he prayed for himself and his descendents, saying:

“Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.

Our Lord! And make us submissive unto You and of our offspring a nation submissive unto You, and show us our Manaasik (all the ceremonies of pilgrimage — Hajj and ‘Umrah), and accept our repentance. Truly, You are the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful”[al-Baqarah 2:127-128 – interpretation of the meaning]

Then he prayed for the people of the sanctuary, that Allaah would send to them a Messenger from amongst them, who would call them to worship Allaah Alone. He said:

“Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own, who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Qur’aan) and Al-Hikmah (full knowledge of the Islamic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood), and purify them. Verily, You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise”

[al-Baqarah 1:129 – interpretation of the meaning]

Allaah responded to the prayer of His Prophet Ibraaheem. He made Makkah a place of security, He blessed its people with fruits and sent to them a Messenger from amongst themselves, who was the Seal of the Prophets and Messengers, Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). All praise and thanks be to Allaah.

After Ibraaheem, Prophethood remained with the Children of Israel for a long time, until Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) from among the descendents of Ismaa’eel as a Messenger to all of mankind, and commanded him as He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): ‘O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as the Messenger of Allaah…’”[al-A’raaf 7:158]

Allaah commanded Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to follow the religion of Ibraaheem, as He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then, We have sent the Revelation to you (O Muhammad saying): ‘Follow the religion of Ibraaheem (Abraham) Haneef (Islamic Monotheism — to worship none but Allaah) and he was not of the Mushrikoon (polytheists, idolaters, disbelievers)”[al-Nahl 16:123]

Ibraaheem’s advice to his children was to adhere to the religion of Islam and follow its commands until they died. Allaah said (interpretation of the meaning):

“And this (submission to Allaah, Islam) was enjoined by Ibraaheem (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya‘qoob (Jacob) (saying), ‘O my sons! Allaah has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam (as Muslims — Islamic Monotheism)’” [al-Baqarah 2:132]

O Allaah, send blessings upon Ibraaheem and upon the family of Ibraaheem, for You are Praiseworthy, Most Glorious.

Other Prophets who were alive at the time of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) were Loot, Ismaa’eel, Ishaaq, and Ya’qoob. Then came Yoosuf, then Shu’ayb, then Ayyoob, then Dhu’l-Kifl. Then Allaah sent Moosa and Haaroon (peace be upon them and may the best of blessings and peace be upon all the Prophets).

You asked who was the prophet of the Arabs during the time of Moses. This was a question i asked you earlier that you ignored/forgot and are presenting it to me. The reason I asked you this was because you stated that when Moses and the Israelites were leaving Egypt how did the Arabs pray, you even stated that their mode of worship was different from Moses so you call the idol worshippers/pagans more or less. So please answer my question that I asked as regards this point:

Who was the messenger of the Arabs at that that time, and how did they pray for you to determine that it was different from the way Moses did. Please cite your sources.

You then started hurling insults and slurs about the prophet, with no citation from any authentic source and just made claims. please present your sources. If this kind of language is going to continue from you Mr. Truthman i wold leave you to your post because it would no longer be an intellectual argument aimed at finding truths but just verbal match.

In fact, the Quran confirms that islamic worship is the custom of pagans:

[Quran 2:158] Pickthal Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (as the pagan custom is). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware (Quran 2:158)

The Qur'an doesn't say as custom of Abraham and Ishmael is.

First of all an authentic Hadith states that 70 prophets performed Hajj including Musa(moses).

This verse that you mention:
1 --- The bracket is an addition by the translator not a verse of the Quran.
2 --- The verse was revealed to inform them that they should go round the two mountains as part of their pilgrimage. Because after
they forgot the message of their prophets some of them fell into idol worship and there was an idol placed on each mountain
so after the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) came and renewed the message of the previous prophets they hesitated
to go round the mountains even though the idols were all destroyed as they didnt want to fall back into paganism. This verse
commands them to go round the mountains as there are no longer any pagan idols on them.

You said "Was Sarah and her children in Israel to spread islam? There is no islam without Kaaba. Did Sarah and her children visit Kaaba to worship? The fact that they did not recognize Kaaba shows Abraham was not the builder."

Sarah was not a prophet. Pilgrimage round the ka'bah was not made compulsory on the people (as i had already mentioned 70 prophets have been reported to have visited the Ka'bah) until the 22nd year of the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him message).


Moses was Israelite not Jewish, Judaism is a belief that rejects any prophet after Moses (Peace be upon him) and claims that Jesus (peace be upon him) was illegitimate, Isrealites are a tribe/nation. So you should look deeply into this.

Every language addresses god in their own language. I dont know why you insist that they should all speak the same language??
If the isrealites said Yahweh and the Arabs said Allah how is that a contradiction. I already explained to you Abraham spoke Aramaic if he didnt address god as Yahweh does that mean he is not a messenger??

I already explained the point about Ismail earlier.

Can you point to any Islamic teaching that shows that the crescent/moon is a part of islam Please present your sources.

Explain to me why sculptures of human beings (supposedly mary/jesus/or other people) are common occurences in churces?

You said "Muslims recognize Torah and Injil as the words of God. Even though some islamists do not believe Torah is the Old Testament and Injil the New Testament in the Bible. Unfortunately, they could not produce the original Torah and Injil."

No muslim believes that the original revelations of the Torah and Injil are what is being presented today, The original scriptures are lost hence Allah revealed the Quran. You said the muslims cant produce the original Torah or Injil we already know they are lost the onus is on the people who claim to have it to produce it.


If Abraham was not a Jew, why about his descendants?

By their own accounts (The jewish people) "Our history begins with Israa’eel (Israel) – namely Ya‘qoob ibn Is-haaq ibn Ibraaheem al-Khaleel (Jacob son of Isaac son of Abraham the Close Friend of Allah – peace be upon them all) – who grew up and lived in the land of the Canaanites (Palestine), who had twelve sons from four wives, as follows:

Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar and Zebulun – their mother was Leah

Joseph (Yoosuf – peace be upon him) and Benjamin (Binyameen) – their mother was Rachel (Raaheel)

Dan and Naphtali – their mother was Bilhah, the handmaid of Rachel

Gad and Asher – their mother was Zilpah, the handmaid of Leah

The twelve sons were the origin of the Israelite tribes.

Then comes the famous story of Joseph (Yoosuf – peace be upon him) with his brothers and their father Jacob (Ya‘qoob – peace be upon him), and how Israel (Jacob) and his sons moved to live in the land of Egypt, where they were honoured and respected under the auspices of Joseph (peace be upon him).

After the deaths of Jacob and Joseph (peace be upon them), with the passage of time and the succession of kings, the situation of the Children of Israel in Egypt changed from one of honour and respect to one of humiliation and ignominy, because the Pharaoh of Egypt persecuted and enslaved the Israelites

The truth has been made known to you. You can twist it to suit yourself.

The word of God had been in use thousands of years before Muhammad's quran to counter it through the spirit of his father's idol, allah.

Eno38151

Moses was sent to Israel, Abraham was sent to his People Who were Aramaic and lived in Mesopotamia, Ismail was sent to the arab people he grew up with in the Arab Peninsula.

Errors !!!

Abraham was not sent to his people, he was actually sent out from his people. Prove from a source where he was sent to his people.

Ishmael was not sent to the Arabs, he was actually sent away from Israel due to his mother's disrespect for her master, Sarah.

While they were all messengers of god they were sent to specific people if i remember clearly from the Bible as you have it it says "Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel" Moses was "sent to deliver israel". All these show you that they were sent to a specific tribe or people. The nation of Israel had their separate prophets/messengers and the Arabs had theirs, only the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sent to the whole world.

That is a lie !!!

Now, who was the prophet of islam in Arab at the time of Moses? Remember Abraham and Ishmael had died before Moses.

God could not have double standard. He could not be dealing with Israel with different rules and way of worship and Arabs with different rules and way of worship. That is not the character of God.

Islam is the revival of idol worship that have been going in Mecca. Muhammad was from idolatrous family. He only came to revive idol worship but in the name of God. Jubril was the spirit of his father's idol. They had been worshiping Allah as an idol in Muhammad's family before he was born, hence you find name like Abdullai (his father's name), meaning servant of Allah. Mutaleb, an idol worshiper named Muhammad's father Abdullai.He named his son Abdullai after his idol. That shows Allah was an idol and the head of all the 360 idols inside Kaaba.

In fact, the Quran confirms that islamic worship is the custom of pagans:

[Quran 2:158] Pickthal Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (as the pagan custom is). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware (Quran 2:158)

The Qur'an doesn't say as custom of Abraham and Ishmael is.

Now if Allah commanded Abraham to take his wife Hajar to Makkah (and later build the Ka'bah) and Sarah and her son to Palestine that is Allahs choosing. The whole point of Allah sending messengers is that the religion of Islam be spread to all nations. I dont understand why you insist that the Isrealites and their messengers should have moved to Makkah and be worshipping at the Ka'bah. Abraham himself who was commanded to build the Ka'bah was not living in Makkah, rather he would visit.

Was Sarah and her children in Israel to spread islam? There is no islam without Kaaba. Did Sarah and her children visit Kaaba to worship? The fact that they did not recognize Kaaba shows Abraham was not the builder.

You also seem confused Moses did not preach Judaism (not from the Islamic or Christian point of view) Moses was sent to the people of Israel not Jews (they are not the same thing). You mention Jews and Bible as if they are synonymous. The belief of Judaism excludes belief in the Bible or Jesus (peace be upon him)

Was Moses not a Jew?

Were the Israelites Moses led not Jews?

Friend, you are not displaying good knowledge.

The Isrealites under moses had nothing to do with Ka'bah because Allah sent him to deliver Israel to the promised land of Palestine.

So you mean Yahweh was ruling in Israel and Allah was ruling in Arab simultaneously with different religious practices?

Allah was always Allah, bear in mind that Ismael when his father took him to Makkah met the Arab people there so that means that Arabs where already established and living in that area and the Islamic traditions mention that 4 prophets were Arab excluding Ismail.

Allah is not always Allah. He is allah among the Arabs. God is known to Israel as Yahweh, not Allah.

That Ishmael met some people in Makkah is a contradiction in islam. Many islamic scholars say Abraham and Ishmael found it. In fact, there is a hadith that says when they got to Makkah it was a vast bush with no inhabitants.

It would interest you to know that even statues and animate drawings are prohibited in Islam. Infact the very reason Ibrahim (peace be upon him) left his homeland was because he destroyed the peoples idols and they sought to kill him. So if pagan arabs worshipped idols that is there action it has nothing to do with the muslims. And it seems that you are intent on painting all Arabs as muslims who all happen to be idol worshippers. Kinship does not make them the same Lots wife did not follow her husband, Abraham's father was an idol-maker, and Noahs son disbelieved in his father. So just because people share the same blood doesn't make them the same.

What is the moon doing in the mosques as islamic symbol? Please note that moon symbol had been in use by pagans long before islam.

Why was a pagan symbol adopted by Muslims?

Have you ever seen a sculpture or image of any living object in any mosque? So how can you accuse muslims of being idol worshippers. But if you will be honest how many churches​ have no graven images or sculptures of people

?

Yes, the moon symbol.

You say the jews didn't recognise ka'bah and the Bible prophets didnt visit it. I Already mentioned that Ismail and Abraham built it so i fail to understand your insistance on the messengers of isreal leaving their own nations to come to the Ka'bah are their prayers not acceped in their own lands?. It is Allah that chooses where they propagate their message just as Moses was commanded to take his people to the promised land, Abraham was commanded to take his second wife to Makkah.

Kaaba is believed by Muslims as the sanctuary and resort for all mankind and that is why they go there from all the parts of the world. Why wouldn't the Bible prophets visit it the same way if it was truly built by Abraham for all mankind? Why do you go there to pray, is your prayer not accepted in your country?

Do you remember going to Makkah is one of the pillars of islam? If so, why none of the Bible prophets talked about it or visited it? That shows islam didn't exist before Muhammad.

You say the bible prophets never talk about kabah and Abraham never built the Kabah. Why do you use the Bible to speak about Abraham, if the Quran (preserved in its pristine original form & language) revealed to his descendant can not speak about him why should the Bible that is a collection of scrolls and accounts by unverifiable people that have never seen Jesus (peace be upon him) be presented as the Gospel that Allah revealed to Jesus speak about him?

Muslims recognize Torah and Injil as the words of God. Even though some islamists do not believe Torah is the Old Testament and Injil the New Testament in the Bible. Unfortunately, they could not produce the original Torah and Injil.

It was not God that produced the Quran as God by His Being could not be speaking from both sides of his mouth. Quran was produced to counter the existing words of God, which had been in use thousands of years before Muhammad.

Most of the scrolls are in "Konos greek" (i hope i got the name right) not the original Hebrew that Jesus and his people spoke. Furthermore Abraham was not an Isrealite nor could he be Christian or Jewish. As all these religions came into being after him, or is there any account of him speaking thr Hebrew that the Isrealites spoke? If he didn't speak their language would they have called god by the same name??

Trash !!!

If Abraham was not a Jew, why about his descendants?

Who are the Israelites?

Eno38151

During the time of moses, Ismail and his father had already built the Ka'bah in Makkah. Also bear in mind that even the pagan Arabs called God "Allah", some of them bore names like Abdullah (The servant of Allah).

False !!!

If Abraham and Ishmael had built Kaaba in Makkah for worship by all mankind before the time of Moses, why didn't the Jews go there to worship at that time?

The Jews under Moses had nothing to do with Kaaba in Mecca because it was the house of various idols including Allah. Allah at that time was known as "al-illah and was one of the idols inside Kaaba. The Jews didn't recognize Kaaba and no Bible prophets visited there or performed Islamic rituals. No Bible prophets talked about Kaaba, thereby making the claim that Kaaba was built by Abraham a satanic falsehood to deceive mankind.

Please note that God could not be leading the Israelites out of Egypt under a rule and sets of law and at the same time be in Arab under a different name, a different rule, different laws and different way of worship. This shows that the Arabs were idolaters and their idol worship was converted to islam.

The bitter truth is: Abraham could never be in Mecca to build Kaaba or establish islam there, while the other members of his family were in Israel not under islam. I mean, if he found islam in Mecca he would have carried the other members of his family along: Sarah, Isaac and Jacob. Islam is about Ishmael and his mother, Hagai. Sarah, Isaac, Jacob and other Bible prophets had no roles they played in islam. This is a proof that islam is not from the same God of the Bible.

Eno38151:
First of all Allah, is derived from "al" meaning "THE" and "Ilah" translated as God in english.

The Arabs and Isrealis are descended from Ismail (Ishmael) son and Ishaqs' (Isaac) son Yaquub (Jacob) respectively, their father was Ibrahim (Abraham) who was was born in Mesopotamia and spoke Aramaic not Hebrew.

The arabs are descended from Ismail in the sense that he married into their tribes and as he and his brother Ishaq (peace be upon them all) were granted prophethood and lived in different locations (Ishaq lived in Palestine while Ismail lived in Makkah). He had a position of rank amongst the people, also he Ismail and his father Abraham were the first to build the Ka'bah and Ismail was a prophet sent to the Arabs. Now if you say Islam is something new or invented by the Arab people why would Ibrahim peace be upon him help him by building the Ka'bah the first Masjid to be built. Does that not show that even though the messengers were sent to different communities their message was the same and they all worshipped the same God.

You say Allahs name changed in the Bible even though I would be honest with you i dont know the meaning of "Yahweh or Jehovah" I would tell you this, all of Allahs names are descriptions of his attributes like "the​ most merciful" or "Allah meaning The God in English or more suitably The Object Of Worship". it is not impossible for Allah to call himself by another name. if Allah were to call himself "The Most Merciful does he stop being Allah??. If he were to call himself "The lord of Israel does he stop being the Lord of Makkah" I hope you get the point.


Now you claim that Islam is an anomaly from Abraham's teachings (even though you presented no points to buttress your claim). And no authentic preserved copy of Abrahams scripture is known to me and in my little knowledge of Islamic sources none is in existence. So you should present the fact​s.

You don't seem to understand my questions.

I repeat:

Who was God to the Arabs and how were they worshiping him at the time Yahweh was leading the Israelites out of Egypt?

If Abraham truly established islam, one expects the Israelites to practice it at the time of Moses till the time of Jesus but it was not the case, why?

Why would God abandon his names in the Bible and adopt names totally different from what he was known before and no reference is made to his Biblical names in islam?

annunaki2:
Even their al taquiya Allah cannot answer the question.

Iamdrahj:
I think you're making a category mistake. The name Allah is the Arabic name for the Almighty God juts as Olohun in pYoruba and Chineke in ibo all means God.

No, you didn't get the point.

The word "God is a generic name. I'm talking of a personal names.here.

Why did you decide to attempt only one question?

The Advent Of Allah

When God declared His name as "I am", "Yahweh" and "Jehovah" to the Israelites and was leading them out of Egypt, who was God to the Arabs at that time, and how were they worshiping him?

Allah has other names and none of them relates to Yahweh or Jehovah. In fact, allah's names do not have the same meaning as God's name in the Bible, even if interpreted in Arabic, why did his names change completely in islam as if he is a completely different God of the Bible?

Is it not reasonable to assume that islamic worship should be the religion both in Israel and Mecca at that time if truly Abraham actually established islam? But it is discovered that was not the case, why?

analice107:
No. Reason is, I know from their koran they are enjoined never to have me as their friend. If they are close to me is because they are pretending, waiting when they can cut me down.
If i didn't know about them, i could have them as friends, but i know their Kidman law.

Hummm !!!

Well said.

mumumugu:
is this a problem of language or a problem of people or problem of god

Problem of the true identity of allah.

For thousands of years the Isreael have been dealing with God, He was not.known by the name allah. And that makes me wonder why Isreali muslims abandoned God's name.given to their fathers and recognize allah. If Yahweh and allah are the same Being, Israeli Muslims should have sticked to Yahweh their local language.

Fuyoma:
Same shii i wanted 2 ask. Besides d name "allah" sounds like "anal" 2 me

Huummm!!!

policy12:
An eye opening....hmmm. Truthman2012

Thanks

Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most wide-spread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjoberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-God. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites."

In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasize all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sin and the stars were their daughters. For example, Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts. In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon-god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (Deuteronomy 4:19; 17:3; II Kings 21:3, 5; 23:5; Jeremiah 8:2; 19:13; Zephaniah 1:5, etc.) When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wall murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead. An idol with the body of a bull and the head of man has a crescent moon inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stele of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the Moon-god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the Moon-god. The Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the Moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period.

A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon worship in Ur and these are displayed in the British Museum to this day. Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the Moon-god. In the 1950's a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the Moon god were found. Each was a stature of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest. The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the "daughters" of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms."

During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.

In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god.

This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism. In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidha, that she had uncovered a temple of the Moon-god in southern Arabia. The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than twenty-one inscriptions with the name Sin were found in this temple. An idol which may be the Moon-god himself was also discovered. This was later confirmed by other well-known archeologists.

The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al-ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.

The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."

This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.

In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.

Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the Moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be. . . a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?

Drabeey:
Seun, i dont really know what i believe again.

I really dont believe in all this religions... I have read wide and all of them have serious defects.

Yet... I do believe there is a supernatural beign overseeing everything.
What can u say to me.

Go to God.

Many people, including muslims who have sincerely prayed to God have seen Jesus.

Jesus said "I'm the Way, the Truth and the Life, nobody can come unto God but by me (John 14:6).

Seun:
What stops a common being, a regular magician, from doing those magic tricks and claiming he was able to do them because he is God's son?

Even the muslims would not agree with you here. The quran confirms Jesus was a miracle worker. I believe this is one of the very few truths in the Quran.

By the way, what is the difference between miracle and magic?

mustymatic:
The trinitarian liars who translate the Bible into English play dirty tricks about capitalizing and lowering the "g" in "God" to prove their trinity lie, while they fully know that it is the same word used for ALL!
Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods" (Elohim; plural to El); you are all sons of the Most High.' " "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s. And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah. I also want to point out that any "Son of GOD" in the Bible is a "god" or "God".

What a trash is this?

You aren't an authority in Hebrew, not even in Arabic. Whatever you say, the Bible calls Jesus the almighty God.

There is no lie in the Bible. Unlike the Qur'an that is full of lies. Dare me to expose quranic lies.