[quote author=bigfrancis21 post=47766720]

1) There is freewill and abuse of our freewill leads to some of the bad things...[b]

Hmm. O. K. Does that mean free will is only applicable on earth, and not the after life!?
If the souls that have been promoted or that exist in other life forms have will too, why is it only earth beings that get demoted for exercising their will wrongly. Since a promoted soul can decide to come back to teach others the way, how come only Jesus Christ fits this personality? Is He the only one to be promoted and yet agree to come back?
.1.b If the promoted souls have passed through all learning cycles and have become one with the purpose of the universe, don't you think there will be more of them around to show the way?

2. Using the same example of the lady born crippled, I believe such occur either by nature or accident, man made accidents.

Would you say a child born an SS is suffering bad karma? Or simple parental mis match

If bad karma, is it of d child for being born a sickler, or the parent having to take care of a sickler for life?

Some times, some parents give birth to challenged children. E. G polio , k_leg, Mental issues, etc
Would that be karma or plain ignorance/ Negligence?
2.b based on the above, does it mean one can manipulate Karma based on available knowledge of things.
2. C can someone's karma affect another person?, how will that be justified.
3. Lastly, how do you determine whose karma is responsible for what events, seeing that one experience can relate many people together, can someone's karma be to suffer another person's bad karma? How does it work?

bigfrancis21:


Good question you threw out there. Now, remember


in every new lifetime a soul continues from where it stopped in a previous lifetime.

That's my point. If every new lifetime is a continuation of the previous, why will a soul ever develop to be a human soul only to be demoted again?

If karma is true and infallible, why was Adolf Hitler born normal in the first place, only to be demoted in the next life, that shows a disorderly arrangement that doesn't follow a set protocol.

2. Are non human Spirits included in this theory? Since we as humans get promoted to "Devine beings " after completing the circles, are Devine beings also demoted if they fail to complete their own circle? I ask this question because it appears our earth is not just home to human beings alone.

bigfrancis21:


Good question you threw out there. Now, remember


in every new lifetime a soul continues from where it stopped in a previous lifetime.

That's my point. If every new lifetime is a continuation of the previous, why will a soul ever develop to be a human soul only to be demoted again?

If karma is true and infallible, why was Adolf Hitler born normal in the first place, only to be demoted in the next life, that shows a disorderly arrangement that doesn't follow a set protocol.

2. Are non human Spirits included in this theory? Since we as humans get promoted to "Devine beings " after completing the circles, are Devine beings also demoted if they fail to complete their own circle? U ask this question because it appears our earth is not just home to human beings alone.

bigfrancis21:


Thanks for your question, from your description

I think you are a late young-early mature soul.

Really confusing

I don't understand the plausibility of this theory.
1. If the various circles are true and re incarnation is true, then explain how, let's assume someone dies as a matured soul, will he reincarnate back as matured, or go and start again as a baby, because I have never seen a matured baby before.

2. If this theory is true, one would have to successfully "pass " level 1 to go to level 2. Then the world wouldn't have morality and criminal problems , because criminals would never have matured to adult level. Or are you suggesting that Adolf Hitler is probably back as goat Inorder to learn life?

I just can't accept this.

saw the title. Got interested.
read through the post got Confused:
Went back to the title now am overghasted and flabberwhelmed. Great write up op

Send him your address so he can ship it to you or the closest post office to you, you can pick it up from there.

Am interested. ttimexcels@gmail.com

Many people hate gays because they believe God hates them, God doesn't hate gays. He loves them. Although He hates their practices and tendencies. But we must see gays as people with a health defect who need healing. Its a personality disorder.


Have a confession to make. If not for God, myself would have been gay

She can't win.maybe another time

Nice

cooldays:
I have to write this after watching a live event on Facebook this week. I discover that Facebook is about to deliver the following:

Chat with friends as if they are there with you thanks to VR

Buy (and probably sell) directly from Facebook

Watch movies, music videos, news etc directly from Facebook

Read articles, news magazines, blogs etc without leaving Facebook through Instant Articles


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good 4 thm

neocortex:


Are you saying that god once existed and he is now dead ?

Since he didn't claim anything , he has nothing to prove.

my broda, God isn't d reference point here, u are. Am trying 2 reason along d borders of ur psychology, based on ur idiosyncracy.
I jst dnt bliv dat a goat is a goat because i can c it. Actually, d goat that i can c makes me wonder d numerous vertebrates out there that i cant c, or cant prove thr existence.
Even in d periodic table in chemistry, thr are elements whose properties, mass and atomic nos re predicted but whch hav nt been discovered. Even our knwledge abt energy and matter is so limited, thats y our applications 2 these remain primitive,
i bliv wat i can c points me 2 wat i can not c.

HardMirror:


The real question is what is God?
That is the root question we should answer.

When you are able to define God appropriately it becomes easy to address all these questions about God.

The dictionary meaning of God does not in anyway prove God exists, it only points to the fact that Religion says God exists and this is what religion says God is.
If God is limited to the definition religion gives It, then which God is God?
Which claims about God is true?

Juju and supernatural DOES NOT prove God exists. If you see a dog on the road it does not prove God exists, it only proves dog exists.

If you see a car on the road, it does not prove Man exists. We know man exists because man can testify for himself. Man can prove for himself that he made the car.

You don't see monkey, goats, dogs fighting over who made the car.
There is order.

So which God made the supernatural? Can the God attest for itself?

This is highly worrisome. But lets take u as a case study, what prove is thr that u actualy exist now? Can u prove dat u are existing? As a human being? In 500 yrs frm nw, thr wil b literally no trace of ur xistenc archeologicaly, and in space, thr wil be no record of an event that proves ur existenc, and since al dos that knw u wil b long dead, applying d principl of relativity, E=MCsquare since ur mass is negligible to d mas of d universe and d distance u would hav traveld ur entire life would be negligible compared to d distance light travels in a year, *500yrs... Thrfore d univers records no record of any events 4 ur existence, so we may safely assume u never existed in relation 2 d universe.

Besides, I cant c u right now, how can u prove its nt an AR bot dat posted ds.
Of d entire colours in d light spectrum, d only range the human eye can decode, called visible light ranges 4rm Red to Violet... Others ar cald ultraviolet.
Wat of sound... Those we cant decode (beyond hearn range) are ultra sonic, super sonic... Etc.
Altho we knw thr ar animals wth better hearing, and can pick sounds of family packs, and mates miles away, also, thr are insects that can see infrared, invisible 2 d human eye. So, if d fact that i cant see somethn means its nt there, thn x-rays, radio waves, cosmic wave background, dark matter, dark energy, ... Micro organisms and pathogenic bacteria., etc...

Infact, nothing exists... Scientificaly speaking

johnnydon
The things we term juju, black magic or any other ridiculous term people may curb out for it are simply a simplistic way of filling up ignorance with absurd fearful superstition, vague ideas.

A simple probe would actually reveal what really is.

I will pick your stories one after the other, show the holes in some, explain in my own understanding (since i wasn't there) some of the instances.

[b:
Atheism has nothing to do with Juju/spirity.
Atheism doesn't mean disbelief in spirits, No! atheism simply means disbelief in God.

whether you believe in juju or not is blatantly independent of it ..

Juju/jazz or anything or other superstitions around them can be independent of belief in God.

One can believe such thing and be an atheist as long as such a person does not believe in any God.

One can still believe in a God and not juju/jazz stuffs... so you see?

Do not equate atheists as people who do not believe in juju that is wrong, Atheist is just a word labeled on those who don't believe in God(s)

What ever it is you believe or not believe after that is your own cup of personal tea.

there are some atheists who buy the juju beliefs only that majority of we atheists in this 21st century tend to lean towards science as the most reliable way of truthful deductions and so we tend to dismiss the juju claims.

I only want to correct this first since your questions were actually based on that wrong premise of "atheist not believing in juju.

This jst pickd my interest... ''some atheists believe in 'juju'; in oda wrds, demons, but dont believ in God. Almost sounds like they hav 'chosen what to believ in and what not 2'...

And speaking of ignorance, d fact that I chose not to believ in a reality, doesn't prove it doesn't exist, it only shows d limitation of my knowledge abt that reality; which is wat Ignorance is defined as. Am beginning 2 see d diversity of d complexity at hand... But simply stated from wat I read above, d atheists do hav a god... And atheism is a religion...
D god of atheist is science, whch obviously is a demi-god since it is still limited on many fonts.
I postulate as a free thinker (note that am nt a free thinker, i jst posses a mind that can function as one) that atheists hav a religion because of d very definitiön of religion: "a particular system of belief and al d duties &ceremonies associatd wth it''
The belief in d existenc of a God or higher power stems from d conviction of d fact that there is a personality, or system out that posseses absolute knwldge, power and ability 2 chart and direct d course of events in human life. A God, for d religionist is the higher reality that can super impose and influenc abruptly the course of events on earth. That reality, for an atheist, is science.
Let me state here categorically that a typical religionist trusts in, relies on and depends on an eternal ''higher power'' to chart d course of his life and bring him good fortune... Doesnt dat sound like an atheist's faith in science?
An atheist trusts scienc and empirical facts to bring him answers abt health, finance, career, family, entertainment and recreation, d meaning of his life, and defination of happines is as postulated. That is worrisome to me...:

an atheist says belief In God is superstition and d result of ignorance, but isnt dat typical of science, as al of d knowlege we accumulate thru scientific procedures today reveal our gross ignoranc of yestrdy. That is d reason 4 continous postulation of theories an hypothesis. What is an hypothesis, ''a scientific guess''

in oda words, we dont knw what it is but we suspect it is so...
Here is how scienc is defined: '' knowldge based on examining, testing and proving facts... I.e guessing, and then proving d guess works. Isnt dat how al scientific discoveries hav been made, and wil always be made?
Personaly i dont c d difference btw scienc and juju because both rely on experimental facts that give acurate and reproducible results. Infact, juju is a type of science because its methods and results can be reproduc regardles of individual, geographic location and time if d principles are followed acuratly.
Lastly, scienc is an offshoot of religion because it started off as philosophy which is a religion too.

Lols

eminent007:

Wonderful advice.
But bro, please ehn, next time, no quote the whole story.
Haba!!!! E too long na.

Haha. Kk

nairayouthcom:
Please nairalanders, please come to my aid, i have been watching this in a movie until it happen to my Girlfriend (coursemate)

Fast forward, this is how the story goes

This particular girl has been living with her family peacefully until 4years ago, she was in ss3 when her parents died in a gastic motor accident

Before her parents died, they acquired alot of properties down, her dad is a medical doctor while her mum is a trader, the family of her dad has just 3brothers which her dad made the 3brother, after that horrible incident the junior to her dad which is the last born of her dad family decided to be taking care of the girl which he packed from his own House to the girl parents House, the journey was voice smoothly until this year when a call came in through her phone, it was the wife of the man taking care of her, she asked her have she seen her period for the new month and she answer not yet time, she now told her to travel down home to pick a phone she bought for her, she told her she's not coming now that she will be coming when there is not better activities in school.....

Another call canme in and at this time it was the man who she used to refer to as DADDY, as at this time the man took time to explain to her that they Want to sell one of her Dad's properties which is located at the heart of Ondo State, this land is 6plots. The next day she jet down to Ondo to confirm what she heard on phone been the first time they will mention her dad properties to her hearing, the land was bought with her name which they cant sell with out her consent

When she reached Ondo they told her that her dad collected loan from Gtbank and the bank are disturbing them to pay back, as at this time, she asked them to tell her the location and they should show her the document of the properties, the worst part of it is that they shut her up with an excuse that she's a female and what does she Want to do with properties, as at this time the lady realised that she has been scammed by the so called DADDY AND MUM

She picked her phone and called the Man elder brother and in a twinkle of an eye he arrived the scene, the so called DADDY told his elder brother that there is no money to help him sponsoring the young girl education again, the elder brother asked the girl that should they sell the land while the girl asked them with a question that she Want to know how many property remain in her dad properties and the so called DADDY told her its remain only the 6plots, she asked them again atleast her dad is a working class person, she asked them to tell her how much remain in her dad account

They told her that her dad has an account with Gtbank and her dad next on kin is her mother that They are unable to touch the account

What the so call DADDY said make the elder brother angry and picked up the 6plots of land document and zoom off

Personally have been helping this lady finacially, am a blogger which i share with her my blog little income with her, as at now she's living in my own roof now cause her landlord is on her for House rent, No food nothing nothing, i decided to post this online cause i believe She shouldnt continue like this

NOW THE LADY NEEDS ALOT OF MONEY TO PAY IN SCHOOL AND THE SO CALLED DADDY SAID HE DIDNT HAVE HANDS IN HER EDUCATION AGAIN (should the young girl sign the document so that the so called daddy turn his better side of him to her to finish her education, she's in an health school in kwara State ? Or she should just forget about her education?)



TO THE BANKERS how can she get access to her dads (ACCOUNT) money


Please my fellow nairaLander she need your Advice

Abeg dont mind my English thats not my mother tongue

Sorry bro to say this, but I think you may be hiding some vital facts. If this is a wrong notion, am sorry, it's best she gets a qualified lawyer and proceed to court. Never sign the papers unless the money goes directly to her account. But her age matters, is she above 18? If yes, proceed to court, she will definitely win, if not, she should go and beg the elder uncle for now abt her fees and be silent abt signing papers. That's my 1cent

jiggaz:
1 Corinthians 1:31
…“He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”

If someone asks you, “What must I do to inherit eternal life?” you would probably tell him, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved,” wouldn’t you?
Well, a rich, young ruler asked Jesus the same question, but instead of telling him to believe in Him, Jesus gave him the law. (Mark 10:17–22)

Jesus saw that the young ruler lived his life taking pride in his ability to keep the law to earn salvation and the favor of God. But because of His love for the man, Jesus had to show him that those who live by the law must realize that their self-efforts cannot save them.

He therefore reminded him, “You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery…‘Do not steal...‘Honor your father and your mother.’” The young ruler showed that his trust was in his law-keeping when he replied, “Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth.”
So Jesus had to tell him, “One thing you lack…sell whatever you have and give to the poor…and come…and follow Me.” When the young ruler heard that, he walked away sorrowful.

When we boast of having kept the law, it will always point out something we lack or have failed to obey. The law is so holy and perfect that if we don’t keep even one iota of it, it has no choice but to judge and curse us. (Galatians 3:10) That is what the law was designed to do.

God does not want us to boast in our abilities to keep the law. If we are to have confidence in anything at all, if we are to boast in anything at all, it is in the grace of God. Only His grace can completely keep, save, heal, deliver and bless us.

So let’s not boast in what we have done or are able to do, but boast in His grace for us—that He is our strength, health, favor, provision, wisdom, hope, salvation and glory. That is how we will see ourselves enjoying our inheritance of abundant life!

Thought For The Day

Only His grace, not our works, can save, keep, heal, deliver and bless us.

www.josephprince.org/daily-grace/grace-inspirations/single/boast-in-gods-grace-for-you/

Beautiful

personal59:

All dis because I don't accept ur opinion am not asking u to accept mine either so y all dis. U need to grow up bro thanks

Growth is relative and indefinite friend. The only time we stop growing is when we start. DYING

Ghost01:
It's good that Ese has been reunited with her folks and the Nigerian media played a very huge role in that. Still, that removes nothing from the fact that the same media left many of us confused. How old exactly is the boy? How old exactly is the girl? When exactly was she "abducted"? ...

And when I say "lazy journalists", I am referring to the evidence that some of the reporters actually failed to do their home work well before publishing their reports - The Nation, The Punch, Premium Times have different ages for the abductor and the abductee. Which is which?

Oo I get your point. Lapses here and there. But no worries, the most important facts have been laid bare. These other factors may not be relevant to the subject matter.

personal59:


No brother u re not getting my point

If u see d way those woman joke with there customers just to retain them nd also give them so many opportunity especially with there daughter's u will cry for them. Am talking base on what av seen not only in bayelsa but in most places.

If everything is strictly on business it would af been avoidable unless d girl head wan mental bt hell no all dey want is to retain der customers.

U can't come to my shop after transaction den u start playing with my daughter or decide to send my daughter on some nonsense errand hell no I won't tolerate dat infact if u see my eye ball u will get my point.


Those mother re d issue brother I knw what am saying they lev dos girls with their customer. Couldn't explain better here bt seriously am against d act bt I know wat am saying also

I agree with you bro. But still, yunusa has no excuse.
He's not the only person they play with, or sell food to. Why did he take it personal.
And there are temptations every where, every day. It's our duty to maintain sanity.
No one is accused for being tempted. Neither do you sue any One for tempting you. But falling to temptation is the crime.

dinggle:
This is an indictment on Sanusi and all those Muslims in Nigeria who in the name of Islam took under age girls as wives, this nonsense of marrying under-age girls must be criminalized until that is done pls set the young man free....period! we can not apply double standard for different class of Nigerians.
Nigeria must have a law that protect girls against under age marriage, age of consent in the eyes of the law must be minimum 17yrs.

U re right, but we re not setting Yinuwa free... Umm: let him be the scape Goat

BetaThings:


I reckon that you are a Muslim, salaam
Under Shariah, it is wrong to elope with a girl
You just cannot travel with a girl who is not your sister, wife, mom, aunt etc
And she cannot become your wife without the consent of her wali (guardian)
The Prophet (SAW) told us that
“There is no marriage without a guardian.” (Tirmidhi and classified as saheeh by Al Albanee)

Forget what the media is doing - that they are feasting on the actions on of the man.
Without his action of travelling with a girl without her parent's consent, there will be no feast

Yes it is true that some girls are married off at an early age but we have so much dust because a Muslim has done this
But this is not a valid argument before Allah
The brother has to enter Islam completely and abide by the laws of Allah
He cannot be a Muslim and be aping non-muslims to justify his actions

The most sensible comment I've seen on this case. This has nothing to do with religion, as some think. It's a battle for our human rights and that of future generations.

personal59:

truth is bitter bro (too mature to come down to ur level of trading insult)
thats d side u know, ask d mother if she says d truth den u will understand all my word which is too much for u to comprehend

the mother know yunusa thats certain if u follow d news frm day 1
he his her customer
something would af triggered it cos i dont see it as kidnapping rather than a failed parent who lev der responsibility in terms of monitoring nd caring for their daughter

I don't think u understand the magnitude of what you just said. Are you suggesting the woman should have refused to sell food to yunusa and friends from day 1.
She should have simply seen d snake in him and killed it before it came to strike her.
She shouldn't have been nice to him

Ghost01:
Nigeria's lazy journalists at work again. Within a week, this guy's age dropped from 20 to 18 and rose from 18 to 25. Tomorrow, we may hear that he is 35. Same goes for the girl whose age keeps zooming from 13 to 17 to 14. May God have mercy!

When you say "Nigeria media" , you need to specify. That encompasses the entire body of Nigerian professional journalism. You can't call premium times or Sahara desert (sorry, Sahara reporters) a part of that body because a true journalist has one duty bound under oat, to speak the truth, no matter the cost.

People like this day, punch, daily independent, sun, and TV stations like channels, etc... Are those u can recognize with this body. Those with proven track record of die hard journalism. Note that if not for true Nigerian journalism, Ese won't have been returned, (we won't have known any Ese exists in Kano since August last year until Punch launched the #free Ese campaign. That to me is the most successful and dependable journalism any country could ever have.

You need to choose your source of info carefully. Not every online blog or news site is committed to true journalism.
Some are Complaining, baby factory here, corruption there, now we have discovered that media journalism can turn things around, I say let's use this new power to Forge the kind of future and society we've always dreamed of.
#so glad Ese is back. # prosecution begins for yunusa

Ghost01:
Nigeria's lazy journalists at work again. Within a week, this guy's age dropped from 20 to 18 and rose from 18 to 25. Tomorrow, we may hear that he is 35. Same goes for the girl whose age keeps zooming from 13 to 17 to 14. May God have mercy!

When you say "Nigeria media" , you need to specify. That encompasses the entire body of Nigerian professional journalism. You can't call premium times or Sahara desert (sorry, Sahara reporters) a part of that body because a true journalist has one duty bound under oat, to speak the truth, no matter the cost.

People like this day, punch, daily independent, sun, and TV stations like channels, etc... Are those u can recognize with this body. Those with proven track record of die hard journalism. Note that if not for true Nigerian journalism, Ese won't have been returned, (we won't have known any Ese exists in Kano since August last year until Punch launched the #free Ese campaign. That to me is the most successful and dependable journalism any country could ever have.
Some are Complaining, baby factory here, corruption there, now we have discovered that media journalism can turn things around, I say let's use this new power to Forge the kind of future and society we've always dreamed of.
#so glad Ese is back. # prosecution begins for yunusa

personal59:
Ajao Adepoju Abu Aish WHAT THE MEDIA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT ESE AND YUNUSA. The media have deliberately refused to inform you that Yunusa is less than 30 years old. The media refused to inform you that both of them have been dating long before now. The media misinformed you that Ese was "allegedly abducted", whereas it is case of ELOPING. The media deliberately misinformed you that Ese was FORCEFULLY CONVERTED TO ISLAM . The question is; did Ese said ? The media also in their attempt to blackmail the general muslims and Islam as usual refused to tell you that the parents of Ese are crying foul only because the young man is a Northerner and a muslim, hence they will give out their girl to him. Note: In Bayelsa, girls as young as 9, 10 and 11 are already mothers even without marriage. The media also failed to inform you of the effort of Shariah council and the emir of Kano to ensure that Ese is return back to Bayelsa, this is since September last year. There is no marriage without wali (parent or guardian). Be careful with media, some people are using it to destroy humanity instead building it.
#‎copied‬

Am tired of arguing.
Just as colour blindness makes you see red as grey, partial deafness makes u hear words contortedly, some people have lost ability and capability to see the truth or acknowledge it. They've been brainwashed.
You are one of such. I recommend glasses and hearing aids.

OBAGADAFFI:
“So, I must declare that Inuwa’s character was unIslamic and unacceptable by the people of Tofa village who have high regard to our religion, constituted authorities and the revered throne of Sarkin Kano, Sanusi Muhammad 11. Inuwa has cheated the people of Tofa; he has smeared our name and the name of Kano state, even that of Nigeria

And your son(inuwa) haven't committed any crime.

Ur head dey there... Chop knuckle