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@ragdollz
Lol. I see your point

Yes Try seeing another point Here . .  . . www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-552568.128.html#msg7189840

Image123:
^do you really have SOMETHING to say?

Yes actually. Here . .  . . www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-552568.128.html#msg7189840

Why exactly does the RCC oppose condoms?

I really do like this man for his free giving. Other thief pastors like oyakhilome na chop clean mouth.

Way to go TB in supporting our athletes.

Image123:
Don't be ridiculous, i'm not dead. And the thread is still here. Please quote me and prove your false accusation above. You've again demonstrated your inability to make credible and accurate judgements.

Suddenly you are uncomfortable with the implications of your statements?
Dont hate on me, no be me write those atrocities for your bible.

Osama10:
Needs are basic things you can't do without like food, clothing and shelter.

Expectations may not be met but you can still make do with what you have on ground.

I didn't say needs are expectations.
I just tried to state there are basic things to expect in a marriage and if such are absent then the marriage is not worth it.

Image123:
I didn't blame anyone, don't outrun yourself tudor. You seemed quite interested when your pal asked the difference between God and others.

yes you did. You in effect blamed the CRIMES on moses and the judges exonerating your god. Thats really cool of you.

InesQor:
I can see that this conversation is going nowhere.

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@Pastor AIO: If any other topic in line with the OP comes up, I will gladly butt in again

Actually, we have gotten somewhere.

We have conclusively established christians as hypocritical terrorist worshippers of a terrorist God.
We now know that christians hold the same views for which they castigate muslims as 'evil' and 'barbaric' so in effect they are also 'evil' and 'barbaric'. This thread has really taught me alot.

Image123:
Someone just said that God swears by His Law. I'm wondering where he got that. Now it's Tudor backing out on whether the virgins were strAngers or not. The point been made is that you don't have adequate or correct information on what you judge. That has been proven and will still be if you please. In other words, you have no claim, right or say in the matter.
Take another one, the taking of virgins in Judges 21 wasn't commanded by God like you suppose.

No time for argument over semnatics. Atrocities where committed you're yet to refute that and you're busy raving about stranger or no stranger? Psssft!

So the taking of the virgins wasn't commanded by god? So now you blame the Genocide, forced marriage and se.x slavery squarely on moses and his judges? Do you now concede moses and the other judges are CRIMINALS, TERRORISTS, and GENOCIDAL Maniacs??

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@Tudor & mazaje
You just admitted that genocide is a crime. That it's a crime proves that God cannot commit it. You can't accuse God of committing a crime, bite yourself. I can't say it clearer than that to you.

It's pretty clear. Your god is a criminal terrorist basterd. So was moses who committed genocide and ethnic cleansing. Criminals.

Two, you as usual failed to see that i discussed on the war against midian (Matthew 13v15). The female children were not taken for wives. Plus, in your ignorance you've failed to see that those women that were taken as wives in Judges 21 were Israelites, not strangers.

Strangers or not, a war was fought, all men where killed and virgins captured and forced into marriage with strangers = GENOCIDE, CRIME, FORCED MARRIAGE, SE.X.UAL SLAVERY.

InesQor:
On a related note, God, eternal, relates with man as far as man's limited understanding of his own world goes.

As I once said, God did not bother explaining micro-organisms to the Israelites. He just made the priest pronounce them UNCLEAN when they would have gathered multitudes of germs, and then they would be isolated to prevent spread of the disease or condition, and made to wash in water. Explaining about micro-organisms would be too much for them to handle, so he passed it as simple laws. Looking back today we see why the Israelites were generally more healthy than other civilizations.

Another christian propaganda.
No evidence suggests the jews where more healthy and other civilizations. Also even before the mosaic laws where given, sick people like lepers where being isolated in ancient egypt.

InesQor:
@Tudor:

I understand your points. Yes, looking back we can say that the ancient Jews, in trying to secure a future and a place in this world for themselves, resorted to genocide and merciless war. But that was the modus operandi in those times. It was a dog-eat-dog world.

But in my opinion, as earlier stated, Islam being resultant from Mohammed as well, had received its "promise" in Christ. There was no reason for Mohammed to wage those wars after Christ had come (in my understanding).

However, the Al-Qaeda actions and other Islamic terrorist activities TODAY are altogether evil considering the current state of international polity and diplomacy.

The above is my opinion and I dont speak for the entire Christian community or for God.

I don't care if it was standard procedure back in the day. Neither does it matter if It was standard procedure to kidnap young black boys and ship them to the Americas. It is still defined as slavery Today and considered wrong both now and retrospectively then!

The same standards we use to judge human traffickers and modern slavers TODAY is the same we use to condemn the ancient slave trade.

Same thing here. It is accepted NOW that Under No conditions should any act of terrorism against civillians or genocide be committed even in war and that doesn't stop us from looking back in history, see instances where such have occured and condemn them as terrorism and genocide just like we did with the slave trade and colonialism just like the armenians are trying to do with turkey,

Something doesnt just become 'evil' based on international diplomacy and polity. International diplomacy or not, the standards you judge Al-qaeda today as a terrorist group and that which you use to judge mohammed applies to all right back to your moses.

Humanity constantly looks back in history and evaluate mistakes made and tries to enact laws and agreements that prevent such atrocities from reocurring. During such look backs, mistakes are acknowledged they are never swept aside as 'standard procedure at that time'. They are tackled head on and called what they are i.e WRONG- crimes/atrocities!

Moses and the jews committed crimes against humanity. There is no excuse.

Osama10:
Are you for real?

Expectations can be likened to wants which are insatiable.

Wrong. expectations are like needs.
Some are reasonable, some are not. Some are basic, some are not.

If the basics are lacking in your marriage, then bail out. There is nothing worse than an unhappy marriage.

^^
Hey, I tried my best. Anyway, you welcome.

InesQor:
@Tudor and @Mazaje:

It is hardly fair to weigh the times of the ancient Jews using today's views of international war and diplomacy. If it is compared to what obtained in other nations at the time, then your assessment would be fair.

But here? I must say your judgment is altogether biased and unfair.

We are very much within reason to look back and judge history based on our values today. Thats why we look back on them and call actions that took place then  barbaric or morally wrong. Its the same thing we did with the slave trade and colonialism.
It is widely accepted atrocities took place during slave times even though then they where seen as right.

We will NOT make exceptions for your god. If you judge mohammed and islam the same way then it should be applied to your own faith too.