My guy, I bin following this thread of yours from da first page I can't lie u, your dishonesty on your debate with aminsamtri is as clear as day. 1- you ask him questions but he cant ask back?? 2- you said you sincerely want to know but you go back behind his back and say something different 3-U only want brief answers 4- you never answer his questions he ask u 5- he highlighted contradicting verses from your book which u couldn't repute but you are now saying he didn't answer your questions.. You guys are not sincerely here for what you are asking for. that's all I see
aminusanti: Nonsense..waste of time Xtians even d white ones sabi lies Just luk at how dis Man is twisting verses and making fool of dis full grown adults pple nd d foolish ones they didn't even realize
Lols. So you also notice that Christianity & Lies is like bread & butter
annunaki2: I thought I was the only one that noticed, the silly boy is notorious for spamming threads with long meaningless copy and paste posts full of al taquiya. I never bother to read his thrash, I just skip it anytime I come across his obtuse nonsense.
you are thousands miles away from the truth. your hate towards islam & muslims is beyond too much, we all know you are not here for anything good so fu*k off.
alBHAGDADI: Everyone should watch out for this guy. He has booked a space and will be back with copy and paste junk from threads that have been trashed to be false and lies.
DECEIVERS! we all know your type.. u just can't face him with your bullsh*t lies thats why u are now applying this escape method. he is using your own bible whip you pipu and u are here talking bullsh*t..
First ask yourself this question: was heaven the home of humans before earth? This answer is definitely no. This is so cos the first man, Adam, was created from dust of the Earth and his wife Eve from his rib. So you see, they never dropped from the sky but we're created here on Earth.
So, why do we have humans who believe they will go to heaven or hell after they die? Most of these humans even base their belief on Bible and quranic passages. The truth is that, the Bible passages that some Christians think supports their belief have been grossly misconstrued.
Ask yourself, what was God's original purpose of creating the earth and putting man in it?
Genesis 1:28
"Then God blessed them, and God said to them "be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the Earth."
From the above passage, we can see that it wasn't God's plan for mankind to live a short life, DIE and then go to an heavenly paradise. He created us to be here forever, without sickness, sorrow, pain nor death. But Satan came to thwart God's plan. He made the first man to fall and lose his glory, which made him prone to sickness, weakness, sin and death. To redeem mankind, God sent his son Yahshua the Messiah to die for our sins and restore us to our former state in due time.
But false doctrines which crept into the church have taught that giving your life to Yahshua equates to going to heaven when you die and hell fire when you failed to do so. This doctrines are blatantly calling Yahweh a failure and scoring Satan some points.
What are these points? The doctrines imply that Satan, even though he will eventually be destroyed, still managed to make God change His original plan of making humans reside on earth forever by whisking them away to heaven when they die. Secondly, since humans will be residing in heaven, then it means God will destroy the earth cos there won't be any need for it again. This means that Satan achieved victory by making God destroy his work. But what does the Bible say?
Ecclesiastes 1:4 New International Version
Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever.
Since God's original plan is for humans to reside on earth and subdue it, then it means the paradise which most religions have attributed to be in heaven will actually be this earth. Adam and Eve were given the task to take care of the garden of Eden and extend it when they multiply, thereby turning the world into a big garden of beauty; we humans will take up that task when evil has finally been rooted out of this world.
When some Christians say heaven will be the home of good people when they die, I ask, what will be their activity over there? They say singing praises unto God. Was that why God created humans in the first place? No, cos angels are already doing that, see Job 38:7 Luke 2:13-14.
Our place is on earth taking care of the trees, fishes and animals, just as Adam did and even named them all Genesis 2:20. God wants to restore this earth to its former status where there was no aging, sickness, sin, sorrow and death; where a lamb and a lion can play together.
Revelations 21:4 New International Version
"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
Isaiah 11:6 King James Bible
"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them".
The above passages are speaking of the things to come on earth when evil has been defeated.
But Muslims believe that heaven is a paradise where they will be given 72 virgins each, with rivers of wine, milk and honey, where all they were restricted from on earth in the name of keeping away from sin will be available in surplus. Was it God's plan for mankind to come to this world, endure then die to be rewarded with women?
This ideology clearly says that heaven is a huge brothel or porn industry full of sexual and immoral activities. It has also inspired suicide bombings and violence by Muslims who believe the quickest way to partake in such fun is to wage war for Allah. What makes them think God will allow the abode of His throne to be turned into a sex factory? This clearly shows that Allah is not the Yahweh of the Bible. Yahweh forbids us to swear by the heavens: "But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne;" Mathew 5:34.
How can such God now allow his abode to become a sex haven?
Agreeing that good humans will spend eternity in heaven also means you agree that the evil ones will spend theirs in a burning furnace called hell fire. Anyone that agrees such has succeeded in saying that God is brutal than Satan for burning humans in an everlasting fire where they don't die but feel pains and torments for billion multiplied by trillions of uncountable years, just for sins committed in nothing more than a hundred years of sorrow-filled earth. Such persons has also elevated himself above God in terms of love, cos we humans can never throw our child to the tiger no matter how wicked such a child is.
Mathew 7:11 So if you sinful people know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give good gifts to those who ask him.
So, what then is the punishment for the wicked and all those who killed thousands? Are they now to be freed? Their punishment is annihilation, a thing the devil fears too. But some people think burning him in fire for all eternity is what scares him. Not existing anymore is what scares Satan. Well, the punishment for the wicked will be a topic for another day cos it is cumbersome. But don't think it involves everlasting torture. God is not wicked.
The idea of spending eternity in heaven has made many see righteous efforts as a waste of time cos the reward is just endless praise and worship in heaven- a thing they consider boring. The concept of burning for all eternity has made many people into atheist cos they can't phantom a loving God hurting his creation that way. The idea of dying for Allah to get rewarded with 72 virgins in a garden with rivers of wine, milk and honey has turned many into bloodthirsty terrorist.
Imagine a world where you don't worry about sickness, sorrow, pain, hate, crime, disease, war, poverty, starvation, disaster and even death cos they will be no more. A world where a kid can play with a full grown Tiger. A world where food is readily available cos diseases affecting crops no longer exist. A world where there is no segregation but love and peace with abundance of joy. Isn't that better than the other concepts of eternity?
This is the gospel of love.
which of the below picture concept of paradise goes in line with God's plan and even a sane mind?
[/s] Complete trash.. your write-up is full of errors, you want to condemn islam with this kind of copy and paste knowledge Bashing is easy, and believe me, nothing is easier than bashing the gospel of porn bible for claiming that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine", and that sisters can look lustfully at their biological brothers and wish to have sex with them in bed.
aminusanti: Honestly, u dont have shame or maybe you are doing all this out of ignorance.. i asked you in my previous post but u deliberately ignore it knowing that it will exposed ur lies.. but i will further explain what you are trying to hide here..just keep reading
[size=15pt]verse 5 > why is it inappropriate?[/size]
Just look at how you deliberately remove that verse out of it context! let me put a different English translation
11:6►By a woman’s head being uncovered, this was the same personal shame as having her hair sheared or shaved
1 Corinthians 11:6► Explanation By a woman’s head being uncovered, this was the same personal shame as having her hair sheared or shaved. simple!
NOW READ CAREFULLY BELOW AND COMPARE YOUR INTERPRETATION AND THE ACTUAL INTERPRETATION
1 Corinthians 11:5► And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered [size=14pt]dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved[/size].
1 Corinthians 11:6► If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and [size=14pt]if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.[/size]
1 Corinthians 11:10► For this reason, [size=14pt]and because of the angels the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head[/size].
Explanation first, we need to understand that these angels in verse 10 are referring to the evil angels which are always present, though unseen(which we muslim called as Jinn demon, saitan etc). . Therefore women should cover their heads in order not to tempt the angels to come down and take them as wives this is supported by
Genesis 6: 1-4 ► 1►When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2► the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3► Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [a] man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." 4► The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
You also have...
► 2 Peter 2:4 4► For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[b] putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
►The commentary... ►and of Aza and Azael, angels, who, they say, [size=14pt]sinned by lusting after the daughters of men[/size], they frequently affirm, that God cast them down from their holiness
From the above verse it simply means Demonic possession. So, It simply tells women to wear the veil so that it can show that they are subjected to man in authority and so that they cannot tempt the angels to lust after them. but if you don't agree with this then explain verse 10 to us ". [size=13pt]A woman has to wear the veil because of the angels. What does this mean?[/size]
[size=16pt]Answer my questions and stop beating around the bush! i wont be replying u again if run away from answering my questions.[/size]
Nice 1 bro! iz really enlightening..jazakallah khair
aminusanti: Jesus must die for all of human sins if he is a God? Jesus pray to God? Why? is he not God himself? b4 jesus how did pple get their sins forgiven?
Bible is full of contradiction and errors without wasting time i ll provide proofs from the same bible that contradicts all those verses u are putting. it is important you people to know not everything is correct that was written in the bible about Jesus, Jesus wasn’t there at the time of writing NT, and that why if u truly study the Quran it highlighted all the alterations, errors and corruptions in it.
how can a man (human flesh) become God he may do great & miraculous things(like other prophets) during his lifetime, he can become good, great, mighty, but not Almighty.. when Jesus told in his own words that i was sent by my father, pray & ask my father, why are you people not believing nor following his words? why are you pray to your maker (God Almighty) ask him ( like jesus christ) what you need to live a righteous life? why are you people fearing to accept the truth that Jesus was a prophet (a messenger & son of god, but not god) ?
yes absolutely true, but doors of repentance are always open for all the transgressors b4 they die. thre are hundreds of forgiveness verses in the quran . Now Read few here and see what u are not here to know. [b]◄►
►But if they cease, Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Surat Al-Baqara, 192)
►Quran:39:54: Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.
►Quran:39:55: And return [in repentance] to your Lord and submit to Him before the punishment comes upon you; then you will not be helped.
►Quran: An-Nisa 149: Whether you reveal a good act or keep it hidden, or pardon an evil act, Allah is Ever-Pardoning, All-Powerful.
►Make allowances for people, command what is right, and turn away from the ignorant. (Surat Al-A‘raf, 199)
►That is so. And if anyone inflicts an injury the same as the one done to him and then is again oppressed, Allah will come to his aid. Allah is All-Pardoning, Ever-Forgiving. (Surat Al-Hajj, 60)
►Those of you possessing affluence and ample wealth should not make oaths that they will not give to their relatives and the very poor and those who have made hijra in the way of Allah.* They should rather pardon and overlook. Would you not love Allah to forgive you? Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Surat An-Nur, 22)
►The repayment of a bad action is one equivalent to it. But if someone pardons and puts things right, his reward is with Allah. Certainly He does not love wrongdoers. (Surat Ash-Shura, 40) [/b]
Ooops! what happen here again did he change his mind from love to purnishment..
►Deut 12:31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the Lord hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods
►Hosea 9:15 Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal; there I began to hate them. Because of the wickedness of their deeds. I will drive them out of my house. I will love them no more; all their princes are rebels.
►psalm 5:6 You destroy those who speak lies; the Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.
►Leviticus 20:1–23 :Any one of the people of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech shall surely be put to death.
...ETC
wow! i am learning new thing from u here, you telling us Jesus Prayer Goes Unanswered In Spite of Jesus’ Promises?
ok now let do a small analysis on that quranic verses u quoted and see who is lying here Jesus or you the follower or Paul
Read here:
Jesus promises that, for anyone who has faith in his father, i.e. “the one who sent me”, prayers will be answered and the person praying will receive whatever he asks.
[b]►Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. Mark 11:24
►Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Matthew 7:7-8
►For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. Matthew 17:2
►Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Matthew 18:19
►I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. Matthew 21:21
►“Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” Luke 10:19
►“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father John 14:12
►Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it. John 14:14
►If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. John 15:7
And, saving the best (worst?) for last…
►And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover. Mark 16:17-18:[/b]
Of course none of the things promised by Jesus are true. You do not receive “whatever you ask for in prayer”, you cannot “drink deadly things and they will not hurt you”, you cannot “lay your hands on the sick” and have them recover. Oh you who believe in Jesus and who pray in his name, can you do any of the things Jesus promises you can do? Of course you can’t. Why not? Jesus promised you could.
Here again, we have irrefutable proof that the words of God are not true. Falsification number two.
[size=13pt]Words Not Heard[/size]
There are multiple events in the Bible where Jesus is quoted but, given the situation, it would have been impossible for anyone to have heard what he said. Here are two the the events.
[size=13pt]Just Before the Crucifixion[/size]
►And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:41-42
A stones throw is pretty far. Why go a “stone’s cast away? To get privacy. Jesus advocated private and quiet prayer.. as in a closet. ►Matthew 6:5. Therefore, how does anyone know what Jesus said if he was a stone’s cast withdrawn from them? So, here in ►Luke 22:41-42 we have words attributed to Jesus that no one could have heard or known.
[size=13pt]During the Crucifixion[/size]
Luke 23:39-43
And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, to day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Now just who was it that recorded that conversation (green and red words) ? Luke was not present at the crucifixion. None of the apostles were there. They had all run off.
Furthermore, it would have been impossible for anyone to have heard the conversation. The three were talking to each other, not shouting – note the verb used to describe the conversation; “saying”, “said unto Jesus”, “Jesus said”. In their agony they were carrying on a normal conversation that no one could possibly have heard.
It appears that these are very important words; what Jesus said while he was on the cross. Why have not the other three apostles reported this conversation? Because it never happened and even if it did, it could not have been heard and even if if could have been heard, there was no one there to record it. Remember, the apostles had all run off. The whole thing is fabricated by whoever wrote Luke.
Nice write-up bro, you are really patient handling this people . May Allah reward you
aminusanti: * If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?
*If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God"" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”? Also in Luke 18:19 Jesus said only GOD Almighty is Good: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone."
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isaiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus?.
Internet scholars. Food don ready!
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Nice1 bro. Simple & straight forward questions but just wait and see how they will complicate and contradict themselves
aminusanti: yes u and ur evil spirit this is how exactly you Christians are misquoting everything from ur diluted book down to anything u come across. simple singular and plural statement u are failing to comprehend but u are in the front row to comment on things with 0 knowledge about. HOW MANY PEOPLE DID I ADDRESS IN MY QUOTE? YOU, HIM and ANANUKI = SCHOLAR abi? try hard my dear.
yes of course to you he schooled me.. lol .ok let the sincere readers read that pls.. now why don't you tell us the difference btw the 2 terrorism? and pls don't forget to provide the Qur'anic or hadith verses that promote terrorism to date. ?
seriously? who killed the canaanite ? GOD or his army? you just mentioned that Allah need army to fight for him right? within just sentence u contradictd urself! what ashame.
*who kill children, women and infant? "1 samuel 15:3" GOD or his army?
* you must kill those who worship another GOD. Exodus 22:20" GOD or His Army?
*kill everyone who has religious views that are different than ur own "deut 17:2-7 GoD or Army?
*Kill anyone that refuses to listen to a priest. Deut 17:12-13 GOD or His Army?
pls without waste of time prove that Allah want his army to fight for him in this era using Quran, Hadith or even ur bible lol..as ref, if truly i got schooled by the guy u mentioned earlier and this is the same question i hav been asking him for ages but he keep beating around the bush but luckly we have you here the internet qur'an scholar to help out. time is urs ma'am, school us we r all ears
This is a story that was told by one of the brother about a man who lives in the west and he is a muslim but he was gasped by disbelief and become a christian thenAllah wished for him good and he saw a dream which caused him to return back to islam. what was this dream?? He saw in his dream a man holding a piece of paper and (the man) said to him: you left the path of islam and became a christian? And the man in his dream held a paper and he then started to fold the paper and said this is the testimony of faith (5 Pillars of Islam) and said 1st fold (there is none worthy of worship except Allah) 2nd fold (to establish the prayer) 3rd fold (to give zakat (charity)) 4th fold (to fast during ramadan 5th fold (Hajj to the house of Allah) After folding the paper 5x it became 1 meaning the religion of taheed , onenwss of Allah ( as u will see in the video demonstrated) And then the religion of Christianity the religion of 3 (trinity) then he unfold the paper which shows three part for trinity (As u will see in the video) finally he told him if you choose the part with 3 and tear the papers into 3 whatever u saw will be his final destination
*note some non Muslims try to change the real story to something different but it never be as accurate as the real story
This is a story that was told by one of the brother about a man who lives in the west and he is a muslim but he was gasped by disbelief and become a christian thenAllah wished for him good and he saw a dream which caused him to return back to islam. what was this dream?? He saw in his dream a man holding a piece of paper and (the man) said to him: you left the path of islam and became a christian? And the man in his dream held a paper and he then started to fold the paper and said this is the testimony of faith (5 Pillars of Islam) and said 1st fold (there is none worthy of worship except Allah) 2nd fold (to establish the prayer) 3rd fold (to give zakat (charity)) 4th fold (to fast during ramadan 5th fold (Hajj to the house of Allah) After folding the paper 5x it became 1 meaning the religion of taheed , onenwss of Allah ( as u will see in the video demonstrated) And then the religion of Christianity the religion of 3 (trinity) then he unfold the paper which shows three part for trinity (As u will see in the video) finally he told him if you choose the part with 3 and tear the papers into 3 whatever u saw will be his final destination
*note some non Muslims try to change the real story to something different but it never be as accurate as the real story
Arsewipemod: Can you for once halt to ruminate on what everybody is saying? Especially these guys you have been insulting? Can you for once be human and stop talking like a malfunctioned robot?
mumu! what are they saying that's making sense there ?? Common sense u can't apply
To respond to and refute some of the most widely spread false claims about Islam, the Prophet Muhammad and the teachings of the Quran. To also clarify the Islamic position on certain important issues
What is Taqiyya?
The Anti-Muslim demagogues love to talk about this weird, so called, rule that permits Muslims to lie to spread Islam. I had never even heard of it until I was accused of it by someone in a discussion once. The basic idea, according to them, is that if any Muslim ever denies being a blood thirsty lunatic engaged in perpetual war against the West, they must be lying. Muslims are simply presumed guilty, and if we profess innocence that is only further evidence of our guilt.
It should be fairly clear to any rational being that lying to spread a religion is nonsensical. If I lie to you about what Islam is and you convert I haven't spread Islam because what you have accepted was a lie.
These constant stream of Islamophobes carping on about how Muslims are allowed to lie to non-Muslims whilst appealing to something called “taqiyyah” (also spelled, “takiya” and “taqiyya”) also end up convincing the average joe non muslim about this myth
Rather than relying on shoddy hate sites/Christian missionaries to educate us about taqiyyah we shall rely on SCHOLARLY authority – largely in the form of R. Strothmann’s relevant section in “Shorter Encyclopaedia of Islam” (by H.A.R. Gibb and J.H. Kramers) and Cyril Glasse’s Concise Encyclopedia of Islam
What is “Taqiyyah”, “Takiya”, “Taqiyya”?
This term is spelt variously; “taqiyyah”, “takiya” or “taqiyya”.
“Takiya (A.), caution, fear (see glossarium to Tabari S.V. T-K-A) pr kitman, “disguise” is the technical term for dispensation from the requirements of religion under compulsion or threat of injury.
Taqiyyah (From the root word waqa “to safeguard”; “self-protection” and hence “dissimulation [in order to protect oneself]”).”
So, taqiyyah (takiya, taqiyya) is concerning dissimulation due to force – i.e. when an individual is forced to conceal.
Sadly, Islamophobes – in order to obtain an unchecked platform and/or demonise Muslims – have misapplied this term in their exaggerated claims of “Muslims are allowed to lie to the unbelievers”.
At what level of force is Takiya (Taqiyyah, Taqiya) justified?“
But an individual is not justified in takiya nor bound to hidjra [emigration] if the compulsion remains within the endurable limits, as in the case of temporary imprisonment or flogging which does not result in death”
So, this make a mockery of the Islamophobes’ general suggestions of “Muslims are allowed to lie to the unbelievers” as even under threat of imprisonment and flogging Muslims are not justified in takiya. The level of force which justifies oneself in takiya is that of an unbearable level.
Takiya (taqiyya, taqiyyah) and the type of lies… One may ask, what type of “disguise” is allowed under takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya)?
Let’s be clear about takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya); “The principle of dissimulation of one’s religious beliefs in order to avoid persecution or imminent harm, where no useful purpose would be served by publicly affirming them.”
So takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya) is not used to convert folk to Islam nor is it used in Islamic text books or anything of such a nature. It is simply a form of concealment used to avoid persecution!
For further clarity, we are not talking about general, everyday fibs here, thus the ethical question of dishonesty is bypassed:“
The ethical question whether such forced lies are nevertheless lies, such a forced denial of the faith nevertheless a denial, is not put at all by one “who conceal himself” as he is not in a state of confidence which would be broken by lies or denial.”
Sadly, our Islamophobic counterparts attempt to convince the gullible that takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya) allows Muslims to lie (or conceal) about aspects of their faith (Islam) as well as lie in general. Famous case of Taqiyyah (Taqiyya, Takiya) A common example of takiya (taqiyyah, taqiya) involves a Muslim (Ammar B. Yasir, a companion of the Prophet Muhammad, p) being forced to worship idols and insult the Prophet of Islam.
The level of force the polytheists applied on Ammar bin Yasir can be imagined by Amr bin Maymoon’s statement, “The polytheists tortured Ammar with fire”.
“Abu Ubaydah bin Muhammad bin Ammar bin Yasir said: The polytheists seized Ammar and they did not let him off until he was forced to insult the Messenger of Allah and say good things about their deities”
Ammar bin Yasir told Prophet Muhammad (p) of what he was forced to say.
“The Prophet (p) said: “Say it again if they ask (i.e. force) you to do so”.”
So, in order to avoid such torture the Prophet allowed Ammar bin Yasir to use “taqiyya”
If Jesus (pbuh) had done the same, our Christian friends would have lauded it as an act of piety and mercy. Instead we see Islamophobes exaggerating this form of concealment in order to demonise Muslims. It’s a crazy old world!
Taqiyyah and the Shi’ites (Shia)
"It is, however, associated most closely with the Shi’ites who practiced taqiyyah systematically and widely during periods of Sunni domination to hide their beliefs from Sunni Muslims.
"Obviously, if these Shi’ites felt they would have been persecuted for publicly announcing their shia beliefs, one can understand why they concealed (used taqiyya) their beliefs. Is taqiyyah allowed in the Quran?
Our Islamophobic friends jump up and down in joy whilst proclaiming taqiyyah (taqiyya, takiya) is allowed in the Quran. Let’s analyse (via scholarship) the two Verses they cite.
Quran 16:106 and taqiyyah (taqiyya, takiya)?
Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom. [Pikthal translation of the Quran 16:106]
The reason for this verse is unanimously said to have been the case of Ammar b. Yasir, whose conscience was set at rest by this revelation when he was worried about his forced worshipping of idols and objurgation of the Prophet.
The story of Ammar bin Yassir is relayed earlier (see above).
Tabari says on Sura 16:106 (Tafsir, Bulak 1323 sqq.24.122): If any one is compelled and professes unbelief with his tongue, while his heart contradicts him, to escape his enemies, no blame falls him on him, because God takes his servants as their hearts believe”
The Quran’s (16:106) allowance of uttering disbelief whilst under extreme force is hardly justification for the outrageous smears the Islamophobes propagate.
Quran 3:28 and taqiyyah (taqiyya, takiya)?
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their guardians in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying. [Pikthal translation of the Quran 3:28]
This Verse instructs Muslims to not take the unbelievers as patrons over the believers but does allow for this in the case of fear. Tuqatan is used here (a verbal noun of taqiyyah). Tafsir Jalalayn explains: “unless you protect yourselves against them, as a safeguard (tuqātan, ‘as a safeguard’, is the verbal noun from taqiyyatan), that is to say, [unless] you fear something, in which case you may show patronage to them through words, but not in your hearts” [Tafsir Jalalayn – 3:28]
It is hardly something Islamophobes can latch onto as evidence for their demonization of Muslims as this Verse allows concealment (taqiyyah, taqiyya, takiya) in the case of fear (i.e. to avoid persecution). We are essentially back to where we started as initially stated on taqiyyah:
Takiya (A.), caution, fear (see glossarium to Tabari S.V. T-K-A) pr kitman, “disguise” is the technical term for dispensation from the requirements of religion under compulsion or threat of injury.
Taqiyyah (From the root word waqa “to safeguard”; “self-protection” and hence “dissimulation [in order to protect oneself]”).
Lying about the Prophet Muhammad (p)
Islamophobes, in an attempt to obtain an unchecked platform, do suggest Muslims misinform (“use taqiyya”) about the Prophet Muhammad (p). This is an utter absurdity as it is a grave sin for a Muslim to misinform about the Prophet Muhammad as the Prophet stated:
“Whoever lies about me intentionally shall take a place for himself in hell” (al-Adhkar (y102), 510-12)
In fact, presenting misinformation about the Prophet (p) was considered an extreme offense amongst early Muslim communities:
Habib ibn ar-Rabi’ said that it is disbelief to alter his [Prophet Muhammad’s] description and its details. The one who does that openly is an unbeliever. He is asked to repent.
So much for the Islamophobes claims of “Muslims using taqiyyah” regarding Prophet Muhammad (p).
Conclusion Taqiyyah (taqiya, takiya) is not something to be writing home about. To use this practice to brandish Muslims as untrustworthy (or to demonise them) is unscholarly and unjust.If you do encounter an anti-Muslim bigot on the internet crying “taqiyya” (there are plenty about), please do send him/her to this post to be educated
The two contradictory creation accounts. The Book of Genesis begins with two contradictory creation accounts (1:1-2:3 and 2:4-3:24). In the first, God created humans (male and female) after he finished making all of the other animals. In the second, God made one man (“Adam”) and then created all of the animals in order to find a helpmeet for Adam. God brought all of the animals to Adam, but none of them appealed to him. So God made a woman from one of Adam’s ribs to serve his helpmeet. Here are two of the more obvious contradictions between the two creation accounts.
In the first creation story, humans are created after the other animals.
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:25-27
In the second story, humans were created before the other animals.
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. Genesis 2:18-19
In the first creation story, the first man and woman were created simultaneously.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:25-27
In the second account, the man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man's rib.
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.... And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Genesis 2:18-22
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Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims And Christians , Pls I Need Some Clarifications (matured Minds Only) by twozero(m): 9:13pm On Jun 05, 2017
