Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 1:03pm On Oct 29, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: I know that you've gained a lot through our chat!
Now you know better that the Bible God never claimed to be Omniscient nor Omnipresent, you now know that it's not through threatening others with torment that God's word was preached, you also learned that true Christians don't simply get overwhelmed when you're mocking, insulting or cursing them for their faith, you also learned that the Bible is working throughout the earth gathering people for salvation even though their number is relatively few in comparison to faithless billions yet they've made a lot of impact on the human race in general.
So till some other time remember i'm not your enemy neither your family rather i'm your neighbourly Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Do have a lovely weekend!  Truth be told, the only thing I've learnt from our interaction is that you are an artful dodger who pretends not to see legitimate criticisms of his worldview. Your conception of the Biblical God is at odds with the mainstream traditional belief, but you're just going to ignore and handwave the facts because it's too inconvenient for your beliefs. However you choose to interpret my posts is your sole responsibility. I'm responsible for what I type but not for whichever funny meanings you read into my statements. I don't have any business with what you choose to believe or disbelieve. You can hold on to your beliefs if it makes you feel secure. But please when debating with people who don't belong to your faith, at least try to maintain honesty and have the integrity to admit where you made mistakes. Enjoy your weekend. |
Family › Re: My Biggest Fear Is Dying Young, What's Yours? by uche40(f): 12:47pm On Oct 29, 2022 |
I used to have a strong fear of death when I was much younger but I've grown to overcome that fear. Now the only fear I probably have is losing my loved ones like my parents or one of my brothers, and being left alone. |
Family › Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by uche40(f): 12:37pm On Oct 29, 2022 |
Probz: Gotcha.
It’s often a case of being friendly from arm’s length and cherishing day-one acquaintances but bearing in mind going forward that no-one’s entitled to get to know you, nor are they all necessarily worth your time. That friendly reserve of INFJs especially seems to really irk some people but ultimately it just is what it is. Your social boundaries are yours to draw and if you’re naturally reserved even around family and close friends/good acquaintances you’ve known for years and years you’re definitely not going to be going out of your way to befriend every new person within spitting distance. Especially if they’re not that interesting or smart. Hmm. I always assumed INFJs were much more friendly than INTPs. My friend is the type of person who hates to keep grudges with other people. Any altercation she's involved in always ends in her seeking the other person's forgiveness. It's also very rare to see her upset -- always cheerful even when the mood doesn't call for it. Contrast that with me who's all too willing to snub people for the rest of eternity if they rub me off the wrong way  . Are you INFJ-A or INFJ-T? |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 12:06pm On Oct 29, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Now let me enlighten you on what is called intellectual talk:
Each intolerant and arrogant human feel like ~ don't talk to me about your opinion because i should be the one teaching you"
This is what brought you into this thread but then you failed to present what you have that surpasses that of those around you instead you're here talking about what they have trying to prove it doesn't worth being treasured the way they value it. That's not how wise people reason all you need to do is present what you now possess after trashing what you had formally and leave the rest to sincere and honest hearted individuals, they will see reasons with you without maligning their faith. Remember how you once treasure what you had back then so instead of arguing over what you thought is evil in their faith why not present what you've found that's better of than theirs?  I don't need enlightenment from a religious nutter with needle eye vision. Stop hallucinating. |
Health › Re: My Right Eye Is Going Blur, Please Help by uche40(f): 7:53am On Oct 29, 2022 |
lastchild: 2 days ago, i started noticing that my right eye go blur under the sun, yesterday it grew worst that i couldn't see clear with that eye under the sun, tears kept flowing down that eye and it kept closing like am sleepy, once it's night time the eye becomes healthy.
This morning, i woke up and discovered something like coverage in that eye that made my vision blur, like something was pasted on my eyeball, i used the mirror but nothing was there. Am preparing to go to the hospital now but feel like sharing it here for any advice
thanks You should save time and visit an ophthalmologist right away. Even if there were medical personnels on this thread, I doubt they will be able to give you a thorough diagnosis of your situation without extensive examination. |
Family › Re: Reincarnation Is Real. I Have Witnessed It So I Believe It's Real. by uche40(f): 7:42am On Oct 29, 2022 |
ZiiVentures: You guys doubt alot!
When my father died, before his burial, my elder bro and I were in the parlor searching for some documents suddenly we heard his voice (it was faintly) from his room. He called my brother, joe...joe...joe (3x).
My brother looked at me and asked whether I heard his name, I said yes of course.
We went to the room but couldn't see anyone.
We returned to the parlor and after some time, the voice started calling my brother again.
Omo na so me and my brother jejely scamper for safety.
We were teens then. Of course we are obligated to doubt. You are making an anecdotal testimony -- one which nobody here will be able to verify. Surely you don't expect us to simply take your word for it? |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 7:17am On Oct 29, 2022 |
Wilgrea7: I've been following this discussion from the beginning.
I can't help but commend your patience when it comes to dealing with these guys. You've dismantled their baseless points pretty impressively.
MaxinDhouse and Dtruthspeaker are 2 of the most intellectually dishonest people I've ever encountered on this platform. Thank you dear. Ironically, I was even wishing I hadn't taken them too far down the rabbit hole in this thread, but seeing different comments here attesting to their dishonesty and shallowness, I'm now thinking maybe it was worth it. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 7:11am On Oct 29, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Your problem is the same as your neighbour claiming religionists, instead of reasoning with people to deliver a friendly message of hope you just want to impose your opinion on others and when they object you either insult or curse them based on the perspective you're seeing matters. Misinformed religionists do threaten others with eternal torment while atheists like you mock them and when that's not working you resort to annoyance insulting people for disagreeing with you. So don't think it's only the religionists that are delusional whatever makes you insult people simply because you're chatting on what they believe makes you delusional as well, the gift of speech and expression shouldn't be abused it's a privilege to have a neighbour with whom you can share what you have at heart but when they say "NO" you should move on gladly knowing fully well that it's a free world!  Stop hallucinating and take a good squint around the thread to see that since the beginning of the thread, YOU are the one who's been seeking to impose your opinions on me. I typed just one sentence and was on my merry way but you and your half-baked brother couldn't just let things go because the words I stated truly hurt your feelz. You said it yourself here: MaxInDHouse: I'm not forcing you to chat with me but i won't release you simply because you want to turn it into exchange of insults!  NO! NEVER! I will tell you the truth that you can't find elsewhere except among God's people: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES For the record, if it's the word "delusional" that's been biting your ass, then I really am sorry. You see, I have the tendency to be uncharacteristically blunt and I call things the way I see it. You truly do exhibit signs of delusion. Take it or leave it. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 11:00pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
I hope you can see now that when I called you delusional, it wasn't an insult. You are clearly having imaginations about what I've been saying on this thread. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 10:55pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: So next time when a believer is talking about the BENEFITS of faith don't mention or argue in support of any religion you don't truly know!  Imagine thinking I was arguing in support of any religion with you. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 10:46pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: No weapon formed against you will have any success, And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, And their righteousness is from me,” declares JEHOVAH! Isaiah 54:17
You should have invited the Buddhist to come and speak for his religion instead poorly trying to defend what you don't know.
We are the worshipers of a real God! Psalms 115:4-8  Imagine thinking I was ever making any arguments for Buddhism. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 10:44pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 10:39pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: However, the spiritual man (true believer) examines all things, but he himself is not examined by any man. 1Corinthians 2:15  Imagine thinking your Biblical scriptures have any basis in reality. |
Family › Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by uche40(f): 10:36pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
Probz: How do you get on socially, Uche.? Do you stick to an intellectual bubble of mates or do you just get on with things, let people come to you and communicate more or less firm boundaries along the way? I feel like one thing INTPs and INFJs both have in common is that we’re quite guarded and selective about who we let in and even when we do and really love them we still often interact with them in a reserved way. I've always had a small circle of loyal friends who I've known for donkey years  . I have an INFJ who was my best friend from secondary school till my university days, and even now we're still very close. Curiously, I interact with people a lot -- except I never allow myself get too attached to them. I must confess, I do prefer to hang around people that I perceive are just as smart, or even smarter than I am. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 10:25pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Now you're talking!
I also am not interested in preaching to you naaaaaaaaaaaaa, all i'm doing here is to help any faithful individual who may pick interest in our discussion. From the onset i've discovered that you're a real atheist: those not interested in knowing the best standard that's beneficial for one and all but just looking for ways to justify the feelings of their own heart!
Well let me tell you that atheism is like the ocean where different kinds of fishes sweam daily each just feel like preying on other fishes or becoming a prey to others. Just as you can't convince the fish to leave that uncertainty for a safe pool where the farmer cares for the fish making them like one family there's nothing that can change the heart of an atheist from living the life of uncertainty!  Imagine a Christian thinking he can tell who's a real atheist and who isn't. |
Romance › Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by uche40(f): 10:22pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
Namdio: Yeah, I can definitely see where you're coming from, and while I could pick up another part of this post and argue about, I feel it has run it's beautiful course and should be ended with the following.
Under the examination lights We have each kept our own So now, let us agree To disagree Just wanted to be certain. Are you a Christian? I want to know more about your beliefs. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 9:58pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Just say you don't want to worship God, and nobody as in NOBODY will flog you it's a free world. But coming to speak ill of God's word doesn't show any intelligence in you rather it shows how you passed through the churches of Christendom without allowing God's word to pass through you.
Until some other time know now that God's word is PERFECT it's you imperfect humans that needs to update your understanding of God's word.
Thanks for your time!  I made it perfectly clear numerous times that I don't care to hear your preachings and hermeneutics and I told you verbatim at the beginning that I don't have any need to worship your God and tend to his infantile needs. So, I'm guessing you have short term memory. The truth is that you think YOU are the sole authority on what the Bible says is true or false, and you thought you could dazzle me with your claptrap but you failed. Better luck next time. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 7:13pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: What i'm asking is the positive effect any other religion has had throughout the earth and i did point out the positive result JWs have had: once people become members no more wars!
If you aren't a member of a group then it makes no sense speaking in behalf of what you know practically nothing about! 
There you go again! Speaking in behalf of an organization you're not a member!  Your request was granted with three links showing the benefits of Buddhism to its adherents and the society at large. So if you don't mind, please go and sit in the corner as it is clear to me now that you've used up your intelligence bonus for the day. You've become boring and tiresome. When you're ready to honestly address the evils of your cult group, let me know. For now, you're interrupting my conversation with a more decent and reasonable Christian. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 6:58pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
Namdio: I am. You? I'm well, thank you. Namdio: I'd first like to say, I hope we agree that the longer you can take something, the more tolerant you are I agree. Namdio: After this, the problem we face is that we don't know exactly how long these things went on (with your cited examples as a basis, and exception of Uzzah, I don't think I can handle that one). The Bible is a collection of subjective recollections of events, so we only know as much as the writer wrote. We don't know for how long Sodom and Gomorrah existed before they were destroyed.
For the flood, the world had existed for 1656 years before it was wiped out, an incredibly long time (albeit from the perspective of man) Here you are suggesting that God must have a high degree of tolerance because the various incidents of sin in the Bible may have occurred for a very long time before God laid down the law on the defaulters of his commandments. Your argument, however, accidentally negates God's omni- attributes (particularly his omniscience and omnipresence), because it assumes that God is subject to change in time. This is in direct contradiction to the traditional philosophy that God is timeless and can observe all events simultaneously along the space-time continuum. It would therefore be erroneous to suggest that such a God experiences time-related progression. Namdio: I think the better way of viewing it, is that His way is the way that works. Nature has a way of finding the best solution to a problem (or at the very least the one that works). It doesn't matter what the organism started out as, the theory of evolution states that they will become more complex and have more specialized organs.
It is either you evolve to be more complex or you die out, because others do better than you. As an omniscient being, God is able to see this best path, that way that all other ways eventually lead into and advice the man who listens accordingly. I understand your reasoning here but I don't think it really does anything to refute the reality that God is intolerant. Sure, given that he possesses infinite knowledge and infinite goodness, he should know all things which are true and beneficial to his creation and want his people to abide by those things. Thus he labels all things which do not benefit his creation as evil, and he demonstrates numerous times in the Bible that he is disgusted by this evil and doesn't tolerate it. I should point out here that being highly intolerant is not necessarily a flaw in God. It's just his nature. The Bible illustrates him as an authoritarian figure. Some Christians even see it as an admirable quality of their God. Some others perceive it as an insult when others say their God is intolerant. But it's just the truth. He is intolerant. Forgive my response if it seems less detailed than expected. I'm pretty busy at the moment. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 4:41pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
Namdio: While this is very funny, it actually is in line with what Jesus said (and the Bible)
Love your neighbor as yourself - Jesus
Just pointing out, I get your point though At least you got the joke, unlike one funny guy here  |
Family › Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by uche40(f): 4:39pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
Probz: You must be pretty smart, then (INTPs are the bonafide geniuses of the world). Well, I try my best  Probz: I started off life closer to the ENFP side of things but now I’m just an INFJ. My two closest friends in Uni were ENFP and INFJ  . I never knew MBTI types could change though. Although from the little study I've done on MBTI, the ENFP and INFJ are supposed to be mirror types. For example I'm supposed to behave more like an ENTJ when I'm stressed. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 4:33pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: This is all i need in your comment!
Please how far has the book you're quoting influenced people from all the nations like the Bible that gathered millions throughout the earth under one umbrella.
I present to you JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the product of that book i'm quoting: BIBLE
The story of Jehovah's Witnesses having serious issues in countries like Germany, North Korea, South Korea, Croatia, Russia and many others where Jehovah's Witnesses has been banned for shunning politics, racism and military services all due to the love we have for our neighbours!
So tell me more about the book you quoted and those practicing what is written in it so we can discuss about the benefits just i am rubbing the achievements of Jehovah's Witnesses in your face!  Where is the facepalm emoji when you need one? This comment is ridiculously naive!  First of all, by bragging about the extent and/or measure of the global penetration of your religion, you are making the rookie mistake of appealing to popularity -- a very basic logical fallacy known as Argumentum ad Populum. And even if we ignore the fallacy, I'd also like to bring to your attention that Islam is currently the fastest growing religion, poised to overtake Christianity in the near future. What do have to say on that front? Secondly, I'm not a Buddhist, so discussing the benefits of Buddhism with me is a pointless exercise. The relevance of my quote was evident to anyone with half a brain to understand. If you are so interested in the benefits of the practice of Buddhism, you can check out the following links: LINK 1, LINK 2, LINK 3Thirdly, we know the REAL reasons why Jehovah's Witnesses have been rightfully condemned in some countries. Most of those reasons were pointed out to you, the majority of which you hilariously dodged. |
Family › Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by uche40(f): 3:40pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 3:32pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: There are just two roads, one leading to everlasting life and the other leading off into destruction! Matthew 7:13-14 Radiate boundless love for the entire world- above, below, and across- unhindered, without ill will, without enmity. - Guatama Buddha Since you think quoting religious texts to non-believers of that religion will somehow convince them that you are right, then I'm obligated to quote from a religion you don't believe in as well to convince you that you are wrong. MaxInDHouse: No matter how you try politics will always lead you into hating and killing your neighbours {Revelations 6:3-4} that's the broad road but the narrow road is Jehovah's Witnesses organization where all of us agreed to submit ourselves under God's standard.
So if anyone has known this fact then turn back into politics you may not see reasons why we must shun them because you don't how deadly such a person has become but we know they've become deadly as they can run mad anytime politics or racism calls then some will have to side with either Obi, Tinubu or Atiku. My discussion with you has nothing to do with politics. You're blatantly and dishonestly shifting the goalposts. We were talking specifically about Jehovah Witness practices, including their malicious exclusion of members who don't abide by their doctrines. The link I showed of Amy Whitby who suffered abuse and mistreatment at the hands of Jehovah's Witnesses had nothing to do with politics. You're getting really desperate now, aren't you? MaxInDHouse: I'm not forcing you to chat with me but i won't release you simply because you want to turn it into exchange of insults! I am also not forcing you -- and I never ever forced you to engage me in any kind of discussion. But if you think you can just peddle any random balderdash you feel is right to me and assume that I won't question or heckle you thoroughly for it, then you are sorely mistaken. I will keep heckling you until you admit your errors or till you resign. The choice is yours. I'm not letting you off that easy. And I didn't insult you. Please learn the meaning of an insult. It is a FACT that you are delusional and wilfully ignorant. Our correspondence so far is sufficient proof of this. MaxInDHouse: NO! NEVER! I will tell you the truth that you can't find elsewhere except among God's people: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
For your information Russians and Ukrainians are killing themselves today whereas if you find anyone among those carrying weapons against their neighbours it's either atheists, agnostics, churchgoers, Buddhists, Hindus, Judaists, Muslims Traditionalists or EX-JWS but as for members of God's organization we have vowed never to raise weapons against our fellowman! Isaiah 2:4 And so? You and your fellow "witnesses" are not an authority on truth anymore than Mormons, or Seventh Day Adventists, or Catholics, or the Muslims, or the Buddhists, or the Hindus are. Just because you've taken the liberty to handpick superficial elements of your preferred cult group to claim superiority over other cults does not negate the "TRUTH" that other cults lay claim to. This is why I said you're delusional. Or do you think if you were born in Afghanistan, you'd be a Christian, talk less of a Jehovah's Witness? Lol. Meanwhile, I see you are still running from the other criticisms I brought up concerning the Jehovah Witness doctrines. But I understand if you are too chicken to actually address them. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 1:14pm On Oct 28, 2022*. Modified: 1:43pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
Namdio: Before I get into it, I'd like to apologise on behalf of all Christians for the behaviour of the few. It takes effort try and argue logically, and not everyone is as conversant with it as you. Nice to see you again dear. I trust you are doing good. Namdio: So I looked up the definition of the word "accept"
to believe that something is true:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/accept
(I choose this because I didn't think the other definitions fit the usage in the sentence.)
Looking at things like this, it becomes clear why God is intolerant following the above definition (and the belief that God is omniscient)
As an omniscient God, he of course knows what is empirically true, so why should he accept (believe to be true) a belief that is not?
So on this point, I have to agree with you, God is intolerant, because He knows What is actually true. This is an impressive analysis. It makes sense that a sentient being possessing infinite knowledge will not entertain any idea that has no truth value. So this strengthens my argument even more. Namdio: However going with another definition of intolerant
1 : unable or unwilling to endure 2 a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intolerant
We can just as equally see that, yes, God is not intolerant. If not I'm sure you would have already died for all this (supposed) blasphemy, or would not even be able to blaspheme. Or that anyone would be able to go against him for so long (because endurance should have a limit shouldn't it?) I already had this idea in mind. That's why if you take a quick stroll to my first couple of posts on this thread, you'll notice that when I was speaking to God's intolerance, it was specifically in context of his personality and his actions in the Old Testament, including the Pentateuch (first five books written by Moses). I brought up Sodom and Gomorrah, The Flood of Genesis, and even Uzzah and the Ark of the Covenant, among many others. God's behavior and actions in a lot of stories from the Old Testament is the very definition of being unable or unwilling to endure or grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters. Of course, our capacity for endurance has a limit. Tolerance lies on a continuum, and my understanding of God's tolerance levels -- based on the Bible -- is that it leans more towards the negative end of the continuum. The Bible God is insistent on people taking his way or the highway. He never ever comes to the acceptance of people doing things contrary to his will. They will have to succumb eventually -- no matter how long it takes -- or they will face destruction. God may bide his time, waiting for people to repent, but it doesn't exactly indicate tolerance, which colloquially translates as "live and let live". |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 1:07pm On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Whatever your opinion! 
I'm sure you should believe in LOGICS so if i become a close confidant to someone when we both agreed on certain terms and conditions then the person decides to shun the term and conditions that binds us together as close confidants please what else should i do to such a person? Well in my own opinion since each person has his or her own minds before we agreed on terms and conditions then we can both return to our old ways the bond is no more! Luke 9:62; Romans 16:17  Strange how you don't see that the malicious exclusion of individuals who dont practice your specific faith is the direct antithesis of promoting love and peace. You're no different from any other cult group that is only satisfied with the selfish interests of their organization at the detriment of external relations of the cult members with their own family members and harmony with the world around them. Just stop abeg. You're too delusional. Plus I like how you only addressed the exclusion of ex-members and didn't address the other criticisms I brought up. You're not just deluded. You are wilfully ignorant. Please follow the link below to see how "God's people" ruined this woman's life and tore her family apart https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/jehovah-witnesses-child-abuse-four-corners-investigations/100444320 |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 10:41am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Well you're entitled to your own PERSONAL opinion just like billions out there but when it comes to an accurate knowledge of God's word all you need to do is ask for wisdom. As i said earlier man's understanding of God's word needs updating otherwise you will say the book is undependable. And whose fault is it that man's understanding is too flawed that it needs constant updating to decipher God's word? An all-powerful benevolent deity that has his creations' best interests at heart could definitely come up with a better religious manuscript than the sufficiently vague Holy Bible -- rather than gamble with his creations' collective salvation by leaving them with the choice to "ask for wisdom". I'm sure you are convinced that your understanding of scripture is infallible, so do you think you are more wise than the countless religious instructors around the world who teach that God is all-knowing and does not change his mind? This might be far from your true intentions, but you're making your God sound so clueless and incompetent. MaxInDHouse: This is what the author promised:
In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
The Author is hereby saying:
Towards the time i'm coming to destroy all evildoers my active force will gather all faithful people into just one group, they will use my word to set standards among themselves and the result will be settling all their racial disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons then finally they will vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman forever!
This is fulfilling today in the gathering of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the world so while all other schools of thought including atheists and agnostics can't stop killing their neighbours due to politics and racism {Revelations 6:3-4} God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) are working out LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL in our midst {Galatians 5:22-23} in fulfilment of what God's Son said regarding the FRUIT in our midst {Matthew 7:16-18} so if you want to discard all these obvious proofs we will not because we have tested and come to trust the Bible as a book that's DEPENDABLE.
May you have PEACE!  Oga you are delusional The royal commission uncovered a vast cache of files compiled by Jehovah's Witnesses members over more than 60 years. These files documented allegations and confessions of the abuse of more than 1,800 children by more than 1,000 alleged perpetrators in Australia. The royal commission found no evidence the Australian branch office had ever alerted authorities about any of the alleged abuse documented in these files.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/jehovah-witnesses-child-abuse-four-corners-investigations/100444320Dr. George D. Chryssides and Dr. James A. Beverley have reported that Witness publications teach that individuals' consciences are unreliable and need to be subordinated to scripture and to the Watch Tower Society. Beverley describes the belief that organizational loyalty is equal to divine loyalty as the "central myth" of Jehovah's Witnesses employed to ensure complete obedience. Andrew Holden has also observed that Witnesses see no distinction between loyalty to Jehovah and to the movement itself. According to him, Witnesses are "under official surveillance" within the congregation. He noted that members who cannot conscientiously agree with all the movement's teachings are expelled and shunned.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses Please show me the love, joy and peace in 1) the mistreatment and ostracizing of former Jehovah Witness members, 2) governing your members through autocracy and coercion, 3) denying your members proper healthcare even in life threatening situations, 4) covering up cases of sexual abuse within your organization etc. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 8:58am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: YES! Because that's not what He planned for mankind in the beginning {Genesis 1:26-28-} but since majority chose to be evil {Deuteronomy 32:5} and that always saddens Him {Genesis 6:6} God turned His attention away from them as He can't bear seeing them doing disgusting things {Habakkuk1:13} as in hurting themselves when He great prospect for them! Ecclesiastes 8:9
When God created the planet and put man in charge He meant good not evil {Jeremiah 29:11} but majority of humans love dominating their kind trying to set standards for right and wrong and this is what God warned the first human couple against from onset {Genesis 2:17} so He doesn't know what mankind will turn out to be until most of us began making choices. Deuteronomy 30:19
Thanks for your time!  This is just you running around in pointless circles, twisting scriptures along the way because you are trying to disprove a paradox. You are claiming your God does not possess perfect knowledge, right? No problem. Let us now assume that God does NOT possess perfect knowledge. You stated that God's plans for mankind in the beginning were derailed, and that since people chose to sin against him, he decided to turn his attention from them and focus on those who keep his commandments. You have just tacitly admitted that your God is imperfect and subject to changing his mind. Are you aware that this perspective is considered a heresy in mainstream traditional Christianity which asserts God's infallibility and/or perfection? In recent years though a new movement has emerged called Open Theism. This movement has taken Arminianism to its logical intellectual conclusion. Knowing the "problem" that complete knowledge of the future means that the future is fixed, they have consciously taken the position that God does NOT know the future at all. They argue that because the future does not yet exist, even God does not know of it.In reading certain narrative portions of Scripture, some have incorrectly concluded that God changes His mind. Yet the Bible is clear that not only does God not change in His essential nature (Mal. 3:6) but that He does not repent or change His mind. The Bible actually teaches this in a didactic portion. "God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" Numbers 23:19.For the sake of argument though, lets try to imagine God literally changing His mind. I want to explain how this concept is inseparably linked with God's omniscience because for God to change His mind, He would need to make a decision and then be given new information He did not have before, so that He could either see the error of His ways, or choose a better course of action. It is important we see this.For God to change His mind, it would mean that God is learning new material as each day unfolds, and because you and I make that information known to God, or He sees that plan A is not working too well, because He is now armed with new information, He can make a better decision than the one He did previously. However, this idea would totally undermine God's exhaustive knowledge of future events (His omniscience) one of the very attributes of God. Such a thought is unthinkable. He would not be the all knowing God Scripture declares Him to be if indeed He ever learnt something. No, He has always had total, complete and infinite knowledge of all things from all eternity past.http://www.reformationtheology.com/2011/07/does_god_ever_change_his_mind.phpedit: A quick perusal through your posts shows me that you are a Jehovah's Witness -- which makes sense because I'm quite unfamiliar with the JW doctrine. At any rate, I do not care to hear your dodgy interpretation of religious scriptures. This is why, as I said earlier, I take care not to engage with religious "teachers" because they are obsessed with hermeneutics. It's also common to see two different religious "teachers" disagreeing with each other's interpretations. Just goes to show how flawed and undependable the Bible actually is. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 12:25am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: God began trailing the lineage of Abraham due to His plan for salvation of mankind so anyone that falls in that arrangement God used His power to foresee what they will become in line with His plans but as for people like you who has no business with His arrangement He doesn't even know you're existing presently that's why Jesus referred to people who has no business with God's plans as "DEAD" {Luke 9:60} Take a moment to read what you just wrote. Your God bothered himself enough to create unbelievers and place them on this earth, but they have no business with his "arrangements" or "plans" according to you -- meaning he created them for no discernible reason. Lol. He brought them into the world, but he's not even aware that they're existing.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 12:19am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: God began trailing the lineage of Abraham due to His plan for salvation of mankind so anyone that falls in that arrangement God used His power to foresee what they will become in line with His plans but as for people like you who has no business with His arrangement He doesn't even know you're existing presently that's why Jesus referred to people who has no business with God's plans as "DEAD" {Luke 9:60} for confirmation read these:
“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21
“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” Genesis 22:12
Does it sound like the one talking knows everything as you've been erroneously taught?
Well He doesn't, the trailing began after Abraham has proved to be faithful and loyal to Him {James 2:23} and He kept His promise to Abraham by making sure that the Messiah (Christ) came through Abraham's lineage as promised! Matthew 1:17
But as for the other nations or people having no business with His program well His son referred to suchlike ones as DEAD because God doesn't even know they exist {Matthew 8:22} because all His thoughts are focused on those that are doing what befits remembrance during resurrection! Psalms 9:17 I will ignore the dodgy hermeneutics, since your interpretation of biblical scriptures is very peculiar and not in consonance with mainstream Christian ideology. You are probably the only Christian I've encountered who claims that God does not have perfect knowledge. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 11:05pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: He never claim so!  I'm pretty sure he did. All-knowing is synonymous with Omniscience, as in COMPLETE knowledge. Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, ‘My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;- Isaiah 46:9-10 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.- Jeremiah 1:5 |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Tolerant Is God? by uche40(f): 10:49pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
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