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plaetton:
Can one have the holy spirit without believing in or accepting Jesus Christ ?

malvisguy212:
very good, it is clear you do not even know what you are talking about. I ask you to tell me about the holy spirit in the quran, and you reply my question with a question, Nigerian man for you.

malvisguy212:
you have no idea what you are talking about, are you not a muslims? According to the quran, who is the holy spirit? An active force or a person?

udatso:
you forgot to add night of ramadan


you equally missed the bold part in your explanation..Stop trying too hard to play smart. as for the verse you quoted above


what did he do?


kindly tell us from this hadith where he had sex with her?


was he asked not to kiss and embrace his wife.? whats your proof?


and so?


whats your point here?


oh really? lets find out


please allow the quran to speak.....stop putting your own words


(2:222) They ask you about menstruation. Say: “It is a state of impurity; so keep away from women in the state of menstruation, and do not approach them until they are cleansed. And when they are cleansed, then come to them as Allah has commanded you.” Truly, Allah loves those who abstain from evil and keep themselves pure.
Thabit narrated it from Anas: Among the Jews, when a woman menstruated, they did not dine with her, nor did they live with them in their houses; so the Companions of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) asked The Apostle (may peace be upon him), and Allah, the Exalted revealed:" And they ask you about menstruation; say it is a pollution, so keep away from woman during menstruation" to the end. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do everything except intercourse.

(Muslim :: Book 3 : Hadith 592)


am glad we both agree on this


so eager to examine what you have to say


are you saying its wrong for a husband to have a bathe with his wife? whats your point here exactly? f.ondle? is it equal to intercourse. let me help you with the meaning of the word

verb (used with object), fondled, handling.
1.
to handle or touch lovingly, affectionately, or tenderly; caress:
to handle a precious object; to handle a child.
2.
Obsolete. to treat with fond indulgence.
verb (used without object), fondled, handling.
3.
to show fondness, as by manner, words, or caresses.
could you please provide your dictionary where f.ondle means c.opulate


i ask again, please point out a line in that hadith that portrays sexual intercourse


approach here means sex as i have earlier explained

oh really? show us where he did?

Ifeann:
Lol. udatso I didn't create the thread. So u are falsely accusing me.

Go and check again. I even told someone who mentioned me on the thread that the cleric must be getting senile if the story is true because I have not seen any hadith claiming Mohammed allows for eating of wives in extreme hunger. Recheck then come back and apologize.

Cc empiree, 9jaforlife, abuamam, roypcain

malvisguy212:
the bible is not a text book, there are many forestshadowing event that you need the holy spirit to teach you,
the old testament forestshadow event that will happened both in the new testament and present generation, but if you read this with a bias mind, you will never understand it.

Ifeann:
Pls quote my lies in that thread, just one. If u are a muslim and do not practise AL TAQIYYA. Pls post just one , a quote or a screenshot of a post I made in THAT LINK/thread that is a lie. If u can't do this then shame on you.
I will tag ur Islamic brothers so they can see al Taqiyya in action from u.
Cc empiree, 9jaforlife, abuamam, roypcain

Empiree:
Saudi grand mufti denies issuing fatwa permitting man to chop up and eat wife in event of extreme hunger

Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah, the grand mufti who is the highest religious figure in Saudi Arabia, has said the alleged fatwa was peddled by anti-Saudi forces and was not issued by him.

In a statement released via the Saudi Press Agency, the cleric said: "The fatwa attributed to us is wrong. It is nothing but lies ... It has been circulated to distort the image of Islam, which has elevated and granted a dignified status to men and women without exceptions..."

The fatwa, an Islamic edict, was widely attributed to the mufti of Saudi mufti though it was not formally announced.

Religious authorities were quick to point out the Saudi mufti did not issue any such fatwa to quell the speculation.

"The truth is that this is fabricated and made up from its basis. These ill thoughts cannot come from any Muslim, regardless of a great scholar who Muslims refer to from around the world. It was made up to create this confusion and damage," Khalid ben Abdel-Rahman El-Shaye, assistant secretary general of the Global Commission for Introducing the Messenger, affiliating to the Muslim World League, told CNN Arabic.

According to local reports, the alleged fatwa "allows a man to eat his wife or parts of her body, if the husband was afflicted with a severe hunger. The fatwa is interpreted as evidence of the sacrifice of women and obedience to her husband and her desire for the two to become one".

The reported fatwa has stoked controversy as many derided it over various social media platforms.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-grand-mufti-issues-fatwa-permitting-man-chop-off-eat-wife-event-extreme-hunger-1495591



People should becareful of non-muslim bigots, especially Judeo/christian terrorists hell-bent in creating false alarm about islam. May God's curse be upon them.

abduljabbar4:
Sorry Udatso and co bursted your lies.

Ifeann:
I have asked Muslims a series of very tough questions about their Islamic "prophet" which they can't explain or defend, apparently he is happy to see you after my inundation of questions and vile verses from the quran. Udatso must be appreciating (I assume) how gentle u were with them.

jerseyboy:
ISLAM in its purest form agrees with this fatwa.

Empiree:
Example of a true christian. keep it up

BlackGirlsCode:
I hope this is the usual Christian propaganda.........Christians: children of hate and anger.

Empiree:
Saudi grand mufti denies issuing fatwa permitting man to chop up and eat wife in event of extreme hunger

Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah, the grand mufti who is the highest religious figure in Saudi Arabia, has said the alleged fatwa was peddled by anti-Saudi forces and was not issued by him.

In a statement released via the Saudi Press Agency, the cleric said: "The fatwa attributed to us is wrong. It is nothing but lies ... It has been circulated to distort the image of Islam, which has elevated and granted a dignified status to men and women without exceptions..."

The fatwa, an Islamic edict, was widely attributed to the mufti of Saudi mufti though it was not formally announced.

Religious authorities were quick to point out the Saudi mufti did not issue any such fatwa to quell the speculation.

"The truth is that this is fabricated and made up from its basis. These ill thoughts cannot come from any Muslim, regardless of a great scholar who Muslims refer to from around the world. It was made up to create this confusion and damage," Khalid ben Abdel-Rahman El-Shaye, assistant secretary general of the Global Commission for Introducing the Messenger, affiliating to the Muslim World League, told CNN Arabic.

According to local reports, the alleged fatwa "allows a man to eat his wife or parts of her body, if the husband was afflicted with a severe hunger. The fatwa is interpreted as evidence of the sacrifice of women and obedience to her husband and her desire for the two to become one".

The reported fatwa has stoked controversy as many derided it over various social media platforms.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-grand-mufti-issues-fatwa-permitting-man-chop-off-eat-wife-event-extreme-hunger-1495591



People should becareful of non-muslim bigots, especially Judeo/christian terrorists hell-bent in creating false alarm about islam. May God's curse be upon them.

kinibigdeal:
I don't like commenting much on religion in other to forestall peace and avoid much argument, don't be too surprise when the sheik will quote a verse in the quran backing up is point. Have been following your thread somehow, most of what you have been saying are nothing but an aorta of truth but you need to be careful though.

OneNaira6:
Hiah! I have respect for every religion but honestly, Islam needs to go. That's the worst religion on Earth.

ammyluv2002:
I'm a Christian and will forever be but that doesn't mean i shouldn't be truthful. No religion on earth will ever teach such

HammedSodiqq:
Religious Leader Allows Men To Eat Wives If They Are Hungry

Men in Saudi Arabia are allowed to eat their wives but only if they are extremely hungry.

Saudi Arabian grand *mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah allegedly issued the guidelines to allow a husband to eat his wife’s body parts in extreme circumstances. The cleric is reported to have said the ruling represents the “sacrifice of women and obedience to her husband” causing outrage of human rights campaigners.
Saudi Arabian grand mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah allegedly issued the guidelines to allow a husband to eat his wife

A statement reportedly from the cleric’s office said: “A fatwa attributed to the Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah, which allows a man to eat his wife or parts of her body if the husband was afflicted with a severe hunger, raised concern and debate over social media since yesterday evening. The fatwa is interpreted as evidence of the sacrifice of women and obedience to her husband and her desire for the two to become one.”

The controversial Muslim leader has previously called on all churches to be destroyed under Islamic law. [b] But his latest declaration is yet to appear on his official website and no confirmation of its legitimacy has been made. Religious authorities denied he made such claims adding that this statement was fabricated.
[\b]

Saudi Arabia has an appalling record on human rights, including against women

“These ill thoughts cannot come from any Muslim, regardless of a great scholar who Muslims refer to from around the world,”  Khalid ben Abdel-Rahman El-Shaye, assistant secretary general of the Global Commission for Introducing the Messenger, affiliating to the Muslim World League, said.


*A Mufti is a Muslim legal expert who is empowered to give rulings on religious matters.



http://www.naij.com/426315-religious-leader-allows-men-to-eat-wives-if-they-are-hungry.html

OLAADEGBU:
A true Christian will follow the footstep of the founder of Christianity (Jesus Christ). A true Muslim will follow in the footstep of the founder of Islam (Muhammad). One brings peace while the other brings death. A tree is known by the fruits it produces. An orange tree cannot produce raw cashew seeds and vice versa.

OLAADEGBU:
I am praying that the good Lord will open your eyes for the daystar to appear in your heart and that you should be delivered from the powers of darkness and be translated into the kingdom of the Son of God.

OLAADEGBU:
I knew that he will soon meet his nemesis which happens to be you. That shows that you must have done a good job

The Qur'an dictates regulations about having sex during fasting.

The following verse resticts sexual activities to the night only:

Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.
Qur'an 2:187

Here is what Muhammad did while observing fast:

[s]Muhammad slept with Umm Salama during her period,[/s] kissed her while fasting and used to take bath from the same pot after having sex:
Narrated Zainab bint Abi Salama: Um-Salama said, "I got my menses while I was lying with the Prophet under a woollen sheet. So I slipped away, took the clothes for menses and put them on. Allah's Apostle said, 'Have you got your menses?' I replied, 'Yes.' Then he called me and took me with him under the woollen sheet." Um Salama further said, "The Prophet used to kiss me while he was fasting. The Prophet and I used to take the bath of Janaba from a single pot."
Sahih Bukhari 1:6:319

While fasting, Muhammad kissed and embraced his wives:

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet used to kiss and embrace (his wives) while he was fasting, and he had more power to control his desires than any of you. Said Jabir, "The person who gets discharge after casting a look (on his wife) should complete his fast."
Sahih Bukhari 3:31:49

Muhammad used to kiss and suck Aisha's tongue while they were fasting:

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.
Abu Dawud 13:2380

Muhammad violated the Qur'anic rule on sex with menstruating women

The 'Holy' Qur’an, on menstruating women says:[/color]

[color=#990000]“Menstruation is a disease; can't have sex during a woman's period; after the period is over have sex in any manner, at any time and at any place”

They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.
Qur'an 2:222

Quran doesn't tell us to leave the women totally which is something illogical and impractical. Only thing that is prohibited is intercourse and that has its medical reasons as well.

Let us examine what Muhammad did to his wives when they were in heavy menstruation:

During her period, Muhammad used to f.ondle Aisha in bath:

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to handle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).
Sahih Bukhari 1:6:298

Muhammad put his cheek and chest in between the naked thighs of a menstruating Aisha..

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:

Umarah ibn Ghurab said that his paternal aunt narrated to him that she asked Aisha: What if one of us menstruates and she and her husband have no bed except one? She replied: I relate to you what the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) had done.
One night he entered (upon me) while I was menstruating. He went to the place of his prayer, that is, to the place of prayer reserved (for this purpose) in his house. He did not return until I felt asleep heavily, and he felt pain from cold. And he said: Come near me. I said: I am menstruating. He said: Uncover your thighs. I, therefore, uncovered both of my thighs. Then he put his cheek and chest on my thighs and I lent upon he until he became warm and slept.
Abu Dawud 1:270

Allah's command is that men should not approach women under menstruation but Muhammad violated it with impunity.

Muhammad violated the Qur’anic rule of not to have sex with women when in ihram

Here is the Qur’anic verse on the purity state in a mosque:

“Observe Hajj in the prescribed month; no sexual intercourse, misconduct and argument during the Hajj session

For Hajj are the months well known. If any one undertakes that duty therein, Let there be no obscenity, nor wickedness, nor wrangling in the Hajj. And whatever good ye do, (be sure) Allah knoweth it. And take a provision (With you) for the journey, but the best of provisions is right conduct. So fear Me, o ye that are wise.
Qur'an 2:197
so where does it say the prophet {peace and blessings of Allah be upon him} violated these rules

[quote]“You can have sex with wives only at nights of fasting time; wives are garments; do not approach wife while in retreat (ihram) in a mosque...”

Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.
Qur'an 2:187

Even a hadith in Sunaan Abu Dawud confirms the stipulation of the Qur’an. This hadith says:

“A pilgrim must not marry and give someone in marriage in the sacred state (while wearing ihram)”
Nubaih b. Wahb, brother of Banu Abd al-Dar said: Umar b. Ubaid Allah sent someone to Aban b. Uthman b. Affan, asking him (to participate in the marriage ceremony). Aban in those days was the chief of pilgrims, and both were in the sacred state (wearing ihram). I want to give the daughter of Shaibah b. Jubair to Talhah b. Umar in marriage. I wish that you may attend it. Aban refused and said: I heard my father Uthman b. Affan narrating a tradition from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: A pilgrim may not marry and give someone in marriage in the sacred state (while wearing ihram).
Abu Dawud 10:1837

But Muhammad did not have much regard for the Qur’an or even to his own words when it came to marrying women and having sex with them. So, when he went to Mecca, to perform the Hajj, and a proposal of marriage was offered to him, he quickly accepted the offer and married the woman even though he was in sacred state wearing ihram.

Here is the hadith from Sunaan Abu Dawud:

Muhammad married Maimunah while he was in the sacred state wearing ihra:

Ibn Abbas said: The Prophet (may peace be upon him) married Maimunah while he was in the sacred state (wearing ihram).
Abu Dawud 10:1840

Muhammad violated the restriction on the number of his wives

After Muhammad married Zaynab bt Jahsh, the wife of his adopted son, Zayd b. Harith, Allah was mildly displeased with his audacious craving for young, beautiful, sexy and luscious women, married or single. So Allah clamped down on Muhammad and sternly warned him that this was enough, that he could not further accumulate any extra wives. Allah made Zaynab, Muhammad’s wife number eight or nine, the last wife. Here is the verse where Allah forbade Muhammad to marry further after marrying Zaynab bt Jahsh:

Allah put restriction on Muhammad's marriage:

It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and Allah doth watch over all things.
Qur'an 33:52

[s]Now, let us have a look at the list of women with whom Muhammad had had some kind of connection, including sexual. This list has been prepared from the book of Tabari (vol. ix, pp.120-141). Please note that this list is in chronological order. I have marked (*) the name of Zaynab to demonstrate how flagrantly Muhammad had dishonoured Allah’s restriction on him! He had collected at least 13 more wives, a sex-slave and a concubine even when Allah commanded him to restrain his wife collection.

Muhammad had married 21 wives:

Muhammad had married 21 wives:

1. Khadijah bt. Khuwaylid
2. Sawdah bt. Jamah
3. Aisha bt. Abu Bakr
4. Hafsah bt. Umar (Hafsah found Muhammad and Mariyah in her bed and she became hysterical (footnote 884).
5. Umm Salamh
6. Juwayriyyah
7. Umm Habiba bt. Abi Sufyan
8. Zaynab bt Jahsh*
9. Safiyyah bt. Huyayy
10 Maymunah bt. Al-Harith
11. Sana bt. Asma or Saba bt. Asma. She died before Muhammad consummated the marriage.
12. Al-Shama bt. Amr al-Ghifariyaah. Muhammad divorced for doubting his prophethood.
13. Ghaziyyah bt. Jabir or Umm Sharik. She was previously married and had a son named Sharik. She was beautiful but she refused to consummate the marriage. Muhammad found her old (page 139); so he returned her to her people
14. Amrah bt. Yazid or Umm Sharik. Some say she gave herself to Muhammad Qur'an 33:50 . The marriage was not consummated.
15. Asma bt. Al-Numan. Muhammad found her suffering from leprosy; so he divorced her giving her compensation.
17. Zaynab bt. Khuzaymah also called Umm al-Masakin (mother of the poor)
18 Al-Aliyaah bt. Zabyan. It is alleged that she peeped through her door at the people in the mosque. So Muhammad divorced her after paying her some compensation (footnote 919).
19. Qutaylah bt. Qays but Muhammad died before he could consummate his marriage with her. She and her brother apostatized from Islam.
20, Fatimah bt. Shurayh (Sara)
21. Kawlah bt. Hudhayl


Muhammad tried o ![/s]

tartar9:
that's the old testament
we use the the NT,he wasn't in his right senses there

itstorekeeper:
#EziAuditore, your text is a very long one. I endured reading it till the end, but I did not see anywhere islam was mentioned as enemies of the Christians or can you point out? Jesus is not Moses and did not preach tit for that. We are Christians and not Mosesians. Christ started with New testament. The old testament was included as a deterrent. In the old testament there was animal sacrifices, but Christ died in the New testament where he bore our sacrifices. To prove your claim, from Mathew to Revelation where we Christians abound, show me where violence was preached. We do like Christ and not Mosaic laws of tit for tat. Can you dispute this?

Misogynist2014:
If you say it was his son, how was Moses's wife able to cut the delicate foreskin? Pls, at least you had a little training while being brought up, these senseless and orderless posts don't speak well of you. A little manners will do, if not in respect of God, let it be in respect of My God.

PastorAIO:
So how are you so sure that Hitler didn't do any of this.

OLAADEGBU:
This is why Christianity is different from man made religions. A Christian is not only known by his confession he is known by his fruits. An orange tree will be known by it's fruits. When you squeeze an orange you will get orange juice and when you squeeze a Christian you will get Christ.

OLAADEGBU:
Saying that one is a Christian does not make one a Christian. Do you know what makes one a Christian?