gatiano:
You are looking for ways to inviting Me into your inordinances. My grammer may not be perfect with some mistakes, you are simply of low character and mind who is incapable to comprehend.

In your inordinance, you seem to think that christianity is the way when all of its history is painted in red.

Ifeann:


Lol.. Calm down gatiano. U mistake my comment.

I never said u had a problem with grammar. Many Muslims on nairaland do but you are not one of them. I only pointed out that you don't express your thoughts coherently. Most times it seems to be grammatically correct gibberish mixed with blasphemies.

udatso:

you forgot to add night of ramadan


you equally missed the bold part in your explanation..Stop trying too hard to play smart. as for the verse you quoted above


what did he do?


kindly tell us from this hadith where he had sex with her?


was he asked not to kiss and embrace his wife.? whats your proof?


and so?


whats your point here?


oh really? lets find out


please allow the quran to speak.....stop putting your own words


(2:222) They ask you about menstruation. Say: “It is a state of impurity; so keep away from women in the state of menstruation, and do not approach them until they are cleansed. And when they are cleansed, then come to them as Allah has commanded you.” Truly, Allah loves those who abstain from evil and keep themselves pure.
Thabit narrated it from Anas: Among the Jews, when a woman menstruated, they did not dine with her, nor did they live with them in their houses; so the Companions of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) asked The Apostle (may peace be upon him), and Allah, the Exalted revealed:" And they ask you about menstruation; say it is a pollution, so keep away from woman during menstruation" to the end. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do everything except intercourse.

(Muslim :: Book 3 : Hadith 592)


am glad we both agree on this


so eager to examine what you have to say


are you saying its wrong for a husband to have a bathe with his wife? whats your point here exactly? f.ondle? is it equal to intercourse. let me help you with the meaning of the word

verb (used with object), fondled, handling.
1.
to handle or touch lovingly, affectionately, or tenderly; caress:
to handle a precious object; to handle a child.
2.
Obsolete. to treat with fond indulgence.
verb (used without object), fondled, handling.
3.
to show fondness, as by manner, words, or caresses.
could you please provide your dictionary where f.ondle means c.opulate


i ask again, please point out a line in that hadith that portrays sexual intercourse


approach here means sex as i have earlier explained

oh really? show us where he did?

The true God will never permit s.exual sins. He had not done it before and will not do it. Solomon fell from God and his s.exual indescencies were not approved of Him.

David took the wife of Uriah and God was displeased with him. Is it the same God that enjoined Muhammad to snatch the wife of Said, his adopted son?

This is not even the issue here, the matter on hand is Yahweh is not the God of Muhammad, who would tolerate everything allahh was permitting. Yahweh prophets knew their God, they knew He would not overlook breaking of His command and s.exual sins as Muhammad was doing.

As for the phone number, I don't see the need for it since you can say whatever you want to say through this forum. The bible says from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The kind of abuses and curses muslims rain on opponents on nairaland show what is on their minds. You know how Muhammad dealt with anyone who opposed him. Besides, your quran says you should not be a friend to Christians (Quran 5:51) and you can break your oath with them.

For your own good never give out your phone number and\or email address to anonymous person(s), it is very dangerous. You dont know who is who.

The argument and debate should start and end on this forum. The hadith and the quran are capable of defending mohammed and not roypcain.

@ truthman2012, always remember that:

"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

RoyPCain:

@truthman2012; Quran 4/24

please show me where temporary marriage or prostitution is permitted in 4/20, considering that prostitution is an unlawful sexual intercourse and temporary marriage is no better because every [good] action id judged by [good] intention that makes the doer embank to do it. a person who says to a woman i will divorce you on such time and here is so much i will give you, such a woman agreeing to this is just as guilty and both are in unlawful sexual act since divorce is not always planned ahead of marriage contract and it is also something frowned upon.

RoyPCain:

@truthman2012; Quran 4/24

please show me where temporary marriage or prostitution is permitted in 4/20, considering that prostitution is an unlawful sexual intercourse and temporary marriage is no better because every [good] action id judged by [good] intention that makes the doer embank to do it. a person who says to a woman i will divorce you on such time and here is so much i will give you, such a woman agreeing to this is just as guilty and both are in unlawful sexual act since divorce is not always planned ahead of marriage contract and it is also something frowned upon.

gatiano:
Don't mind these people, They are all just hypocrites, They love to point at other without checking out themselves. However, i don't support the hadith. We Muslims do not have any hand in its making.

truthman2012:


Your lie has been exposed. Where did you see hadith in my post on temporary marriage? I quoted the quran. If it were hadith, that is how you would have denied it.

Islam is full of confusions, a deliberate attempt by allahh to deceive mankind. You believe some hadiths are incorrect and still accept as correct writing by the same author. If Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Dawod etc are liars because their writings are fabrications, why do you believe the same liars when they write good things about Muhammad or islam?

I want to sincerely advise you to desist from falsehood and embrace Jesus Christ, the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE (John 14:6).

gatiano:
Which Jesus are you talking about? The True one who is a Muslim or The one introduced to you by the devils?

truthman2012:


You have now agreed temporary marriage (prostitution) is the institution of allahh, a corrupt god. Good of you.

If Jesus was a muslim, why did the injeel given to him didn't get to Arabia, where allahh falsely claims Abrahamm had established islam?

If Jesus was a muslim, why didn't he visit Kaaba, which allahh falsely claims was built by Abraham as the house of God for ALL MANKIND?

gatiano:
Abeg. I didn't agree to anything of such with you or anybody. The words are clears in all the books, it is to you how you want to interprete them to your taste. Do you dude, do you.

RoyPCain:
ttuthman2012 is directing me to website of the group that hates the well known companions [RA] of the Prophet [SA]. is that what i should accept especially when neither the prophet [SA] now the companions, including Ali Bin AbiTalib [RA to each] didn't do any muta at anytime?

what if i introduce you to JW website as whatever is in there as what christianity stands for; and the website says Jesus is human prophet and not God. will that be okay with you? if you accept the fact, it is a good thing compared to you asking me to agree that muta that is preIslamic and was clearly abolished before Riba was as something Islamic. this your position is unfair and it is clearly from the devil. heck. he is you spiritual father, a lair and murderer from the start.

i have never seen any woman with all her normal human conscience that will go for muta. i have not seen a male that will allow his female relative to go into muta if he has any man jealousy and he is not evil and or sick. no man will go for muta instead of true marriage if he truly desires the woman and he is a real man. each of these evils and more is what Islam of Muhammad [SA] was raised to eradicate and perfect the good quality, cleaning the heart and allowing the best of mankind to shine in piety to God Who deserves worship.

RoyPCain:
@truthman2012: i accept the many wives as more than 1 is in the category of many. of course we are in the religion/pattern of our father Ibrahim [AS]. now show me the 'temporary wife' part because i don't see it and i can read arab which you can't. i can read english which i do and speak all day long, almost, until i call nigeria or fraternize nairaland.

RoyPCain:
i will give you a link of the latter day saints in salt lake city utah and see how you like it as what christianity stands for. i am preparing for jumu'ah and i don't have your time until after it.

RoyPCain:
@truthman2012: i accept the many wives as more than 1 is in the category of many. of course we are in the religion/pattern of our father Ibrahim [AS]. now show me the 'temporary wife' part because i don't see it and i can read arab which you can't. i can read english which i do and speak all day long, almost, until i call nigeria or fraternize nairaland.

malvisguy212:
Surah 5:87: “O ye who believe!
Forbid not the good things which
Allah hath made lawful for you , and
transgress not, Lo! Allah loveth not
transgressors.” (Pickthall)


Ibn Mas’ud, who is considered as one of
the greatest Muslim scholars, related a
well-known incident, which is recorded in numerous Islamic sources. This event will enlighten us on the historical background for the revealing of Surah 5:87. He tells us why Allah revealed this verse to Muhammad. Let us now review this account:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62,
Number 13o:
Narrated ‘Abdullah (b. Mas’ud): We
used to participate in the holy battles
led by Allah’s Apostle and we had
nothing (no wives) with us. So we said,
“Shall we get ourselves castrated?” He
forbade us that AND then allowed us
to marry women with a TEMPORARY CONTRACT (2) and recited to us: ‘O you
who believe! Make not unlawful the
good things which Allah has made
lawful for you, but commit no
transgression .’ (Surah 5:87)


The quranic verse that validates the
practice of Mut’a Surah 4:24:

“And forbidden to you are married
women, except such as your right
hands possess. This has ALLAH
enjoined on you. And allowed to
you are those beyond that, that you
may seek them by means of your
property, marrying them properly
and not committing fornication. And
for the benefit you receive from
them, give them their dowries, as
fixed, and there is no blame on you
what you do by mutual agreement
after the fixing of the dowry. Surely
ALLAH is All-Knowing, Wise.” (Sher Ali)


You may wonder, where does this verse
say anything about Temporary Marriage. Most English translators of the Qur’an hide the true meaning of this verse. The above English translation, like many others, states, “YOU MAY SEEK THEM BY MEANS OF YOUR PROPERTY ,MARRYING PROPERLY .” However, this is a deception by modern translators. In the Arabic Qur’an, the above verse does not use the Arabic equivalent of the word “marriage”. (NIKAH) or any of its derivatives. Instead, it uses the term "ISTAMTA'TUM" which is a derivative of the word "MUT'A" denoting pleasure or ENJOYMENT. “Istamta’tum” is derived
from the root m-t-a, which is also the
root for “Mut’a.”

Compare now the above translation of
Surah 4:24 with the following translation
by renowned Muslim scholar, Ibn Kathir:

Surah 4:24: “Also (forbidden are)
women already married, except those
(slaves) whom your right hands
possess. Thus has Allah ordained for
you. All others are lawful, provided
you seek them (with a dowry) from
your property, desiring chastity, not
fornication. So with those among
them whom you have enjoyed, give
them their required due, but if you
agree mutually (to give more) after
the requirement (has been
determined), there is no sin on you.
Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing,
All-Wise.”

Many English translators of the Qur’an
know that the civilized world will be
horrified by the presence of such
teachings in the Qur’an. Thus, they do
some damage control to the uncivilized
teachings of Allah. They conceal the true
intention of the verses and distort the
true meaning of the Qur’an to suit
western audiences. They do this because they are ashamed of Allah’s teachings in the Qur’an and they seek ways to make it palatable. Surah 4:24 was revealed towards the beginning of the Prophet’s stay in Medina. By the time this verse was revealed, Mut’a had become a legal custom in Medina. It was looked upon as a kind of marriage and was referred to by the term “Istimta’a.” This term literally means, “To seek enjoyment.” On an occasion when the Prophet made a lesser pilgrimage to Mecca, the women of Mecca made themselves up especially
for the event. Some of the Companions
complained about the long separation
from their wives, and the Prophet
replied: “THEN GO AND ENJOY (ISTAMTA'A) THIS WOMEN”

4:13; These are the limits [set by] Allah , and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger will be admitted by Him to gardens [in Paradise] under which rivers flow, abiding eternally therein; and that is the great attainment.


4:14; And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger and transgresses His limits - He will put him into the Fire to abide eternally therein, and he will have a humiliating punishment.


4:15; Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way.


4:16; And the two who commit it among you, dishonor them both. But if they repent and correct themselves, leave them alone. Indeed, Allah is ever Accepting of repentance and Merciful.


4:17; The repentance accepted by Allah is only for those who do wrong in ignorance [or carelessness] and then repent soon after. It is those to whom Allah will turn in forgiveness, and Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.


4:18; But repentance is not [accepted] of those who [continue to] do evil deeds up until, when death comes to one of them, he says, "Indeed, I have repented now," or of those who die while they are disbelievers. For them We have prepared a painful punishment.


4:19; O you who have believed, it is not lawful for you to inherit women by compulsion. And do not make difficulties for them in order to take [back] part of what you gave them unless they commit a clear immorality. And live with them in kindness. For if you dislike them - perhaps you dislike a thing and Allah makes therein much good.


4:20; But if you want to replace one wife with another and you have given one of them a great amount [in gifts], do not take [back] from it anything. Would you take it in injustice and manifest sin?


4:21; And how could you take it while you have gone in unto each other and they have taken from you a solemn covenant?


4:22; And do not marry those [women] whom your fathers married, except what has already occurred. Indeed, it was an immorality and hateful [to Allah ] and was evil as a way.


4:23; Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.


4:24; And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.


4:25; And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women, then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls. And Allah is most knowing about your faith. You [believers] are of one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their due compensation according to what is acceptable. [They should be] chaste, neither [of] those who commit unlawful intercourse randomly nor those who take [secret] lovers. But once they are sheltered in marriage, if they should commit adultery, then for them is half the punishment for free [unmarried] women. This [allowance] is for him among you who fears sin, but to be patient is better for you. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.


4:26; Allah wants to make clear to you [the lawful from the unlawful] and guide you to the [good] practices of those before you and to accept your repentance. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.


4:27; Allah wants to accept your repentance, but those who follow [their] passions want you to digress [into] a great deviation.

You shall not kill yourselves. (4:29)
He also says: Do not expose yourselves to ruin. (2:195)
The Prophet said: "There shall be no inflicting of harm on oneself"

EzioAuditore:
Lmao! This post is really shameful! There's nothing sadder than when a christian tries to interpret or dissect islam! Honestly, when I read the post I burst into laughter! Are these dweebs really this clueless and desperate? Is this the best you could come up with? Muhammad slept on the same bed with his wife, he took a bath with his wife...lmao! Who told you that's not allowed when you're fasting? The only thing forbidden is actual sex! I swear these imbeciles never fail to deliver their usual dose of stupidity and naivity! Whenever they try, all they do is sh*t themselves! This post is a mockery of all christians' intelligence, you need to go back to the drawing board because honestly, this s*cks. Lmao!

EzioAuditore:
Lmao! This post is really shameful! There's nothing sadder than when a christian tries to interpret or dissect islam! Honestly, when I read the post I burst into laughter! Are these dweebs really this clueless and desperate? Is this the best you could come up with? Muhammad slept on the same bed with his wife, he took a bath with his wife...lmao! Who told you that's not allowed when you're fasting? The only thing forbidden is actual sex! I swear these imbeciles never fail to deliver their usual dose of stupidity and naivity! Whenever they try, all they do is sh*t themselves! This post is a mockery of all christians' intelligence, you need to go back to the drawing board because honestly, this s*cks. Lmao!

truthman2012:


Your lie has been exposed. Where did you see hadith in my post on temporary marriage? I quoted the quran. If it were hadith, that is how you would have denied it.

Islam is full of confusions, a deliberate attempt by allahh to deceive mankind. You believe some hadiths are incorrect and still accept as correct writing by the same author. If Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Dawod etc are liars because their writings are fabrications, why do you believe the same liars when they write good things about Muhammad or islam?

I want to sincerely advise you to desist from falsehood and embrace Jesus Christ, the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE (John 14:6).

gatiano:
Which Jesus are you talking about? The True one who is a Muslim or The one introduced to you by the devils?

gatiano:
Abeg. I didn't agree to anything of such with you or anybody. The words are clears in all the books, it is to you how you want to interprete them to your taste. Do you dude, do you.

true2god:
Can you show us, either in your quran or hadith, where it was stated that Jesus visited that mecca and kissed the idolatory black stone, run around the kabba and performed umrah (as muslims do)?

Mohammed is a liar bro.

true2god:
Can you show us, either in your quran or hadith, where it was stated that Jesus visited that mecca and kissed the idolatory black stone, run around the kabba and performed umrah (as muslims do)?

Mohammed is a liar bro.