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tonychristopher:
JESUS DIED FOR OUR MORTAL SIN, AND DEFEATED DEATH
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WE HAVE VENIEAL AND MORTAL SIN

Do you even know the implication of what you just said? Your jesus who is according to you God defeating death.!! Isn't he All powerful. Who causes death?

ayoku777:
Its obvious you were so in a hurry to reply you didn't read the part where I said, the day after Jesus died (unleavened bread) was a high sabbath; and the day after that is also a sabbath.

So its;

Thursday (Passover and crucifiction)

Friday (unleavened bread and high sabbath)

Saturday (normal sabbath)

Sunday (resurrection)

They had to bury Jesus quickly because they can't bury the dead on a high sabbath either; and besides they also needed to go home and prepare the unleavened bread for the next day; which was a high sabbath.

Luke 23v53-54 -And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.

And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

The next day was a sabbath; and so was the day after.

As for why good friday is celebrated instead of good thursday. I'm not to blame for errors that became traditions in the church.

So many things have become traditions in the church; that were never really practised by the early church or first century believers.

Doctrines like trinity, tithing, etc that have become mainstream in the church now had no reference in the early church.

But whether we celebrate and call it good friday or best thursday doesn't matter or affect our salvation; the message we are celebrating is what matters. As long as we believe He died for our sins and rose for our justification; that's the most important.

God bless.

I didn't know there are two sabath. This is getting interesting. Could you please give reference to support the claim that Friday is a high sabath? Your leveticus 23: 6-7 doesn't mention Friday as a high sabbath. Here is what it says ‘Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the aFeast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.
7 ‘On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall anot do any laborious work.. Even if we are to agree there is a high sabbath according to your interpretation, then, it would mean that the high sabbath can be any day besides Saturday. So I need evidence to support Friday as a high sabbath. Let's try not to bundle up ourselves trying to explain something that is very clear

ayoku777:
Its obvious you were so in a hurry to reply you didn't read the part where I said, the day after Jesus died (unleavened bread) was a high sabbath; and the day after that is also a sabbath.

So its;

Thursday (Passover and crucifiction)

Friday (unleavened bread and high sabbath)

Saturday (normal sabbath)

Sunday (resurrection)

They had to bury Jesus quickly because they can't bury the dead on a high sabbath either; and besides they also needed to go home and prepare the unleavened bread for the next day; which was a high sabbath.

Luke 23v53-54 -And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.

And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

The next day was a sabbath; and so was the day after.

As for why good friday is celebrated instead of good thursday. I'm not to blame for errors that became traditions in the church.

So many things have become traditions in the church; that were never really practised by the early church or first century believers.

Doctrines like trinity, tithing, etc that have become mainstream in the church now had no reference in the early church.

But whether we celebrate and call it good friday or best thursday doesn't matter or affect our salvation; the message we are celebrating is what matters. As long as we believe He died for our sins and rose for our justification; that's the most important.

God bless.

I didn't know there are two sabath. This is getting interesting. Could you please give reference to support the claim that Friday is a high sabath? Your leveticus 23: 6-7 doesn't mention Friday as a high sabbath. Here is what it says ‘Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the aFeast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.
7 ‘On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall anot do any laborious work.. Even if we are to agree there is a high sabbath according to your interpretation, then, it would mean that the high sabbath can be any day besides Saturday. So I need evidence to support Friday as a high sabbath

The topic name is wrong. It should be religious deceit in Nigerian schools. You agreed that it's both religions involved but your heading suggests the deceit is done by Muslims. How can you be so partial

malvisguy212:
the quran and hadith say the pagan ritual muhammed retain it for the worship of Islam, and he say"it was the symbol of Allah, (the Arab pagan where the first to practice tawaf between safa and marwa) so I ask, how is the practices of pagan becomes the symbol of Allah? Non of you were been able to answer it ? Instead you guys are just writing with different type of colour like Artists full the thread with note without saying anything.

continue

Chai..... This knock out punch you guys are just sharing on Ifeann...............


there is God oooo.....

Abuamam:
The verse states that the Injeel was sent to Isa (as). It does not state that the extant bible at that time was the original. Stop making me repeat myself. Tedious.

Maybe asking her which Bible that was sent to jesus)(pbuh) would help her understand you.

By vedaxcool :33pm On Apr 20, 2013
A lot of Islamophobes are in denial of their state hence to make it clear to such people, there are certain signs that would easily make any islamophobes know his conditions and seek adequate help.

So what is Islamophobia?

The meaning of “Islamophobia” is every bit as clear as “anti-semitism” or “racism” or “sexism” and all sorts of familiar, related concepts. It signifies (1) irrational condemnations of all members of a group or the group itself based on the bad acts of specific individuals in that group; (2) a disproportionate fixation on that group for sins committed at least to an equal extent by many other groups, especially one’s own; and/or (3) sweeping claims about the members of that group unjustified by their actual individual acts and beliefs

1. The Islamophobe likes to speak on behalf of Muslims, and appoints himself judge, jury, and even executioner.

2. If the veil is a choice (as most French Muslim women say it is) and not a religious obligation, then the French government can restrict it: French Muslims shouldn’t object to not being allowed to practice a choice. But, Agrama went on, if the veil is a religious obligation, it must have been imposed coercively and must be banned by the secular state. Islamophobes tend to prefer the latter. They assume that Muslims must do whatever the Qur’an or the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) tells them to. They also assume Muslims stopped using their brains,

3. Only a puny minority of Muslims acts in a violent manner, while the huge majority does not. Khan (a Muslim) argued that her parents stressed tolerance as an Islamic value; Hirsi Ali (a non-muslim) responded that while that was very nice, it wasn’t Islam. Islam has one interpretation: theirs. Which happens to be—by chance, of course—the same interpretation extremists offer. Were Islamophobes Muslim, they would be the Muslims they warn us about. Islam can only be understood on their terms, they say. And their terms are violent and intemperate.

4. Radicals twist texts to justify despicable ends. Usually they can do this because, like Islamophobes, they have only a cursory familiarity with Islam. Within a few decades of Muhammad’s death (in 632 A.D.), Islam’s first extremists emerged: the ‘Khawarij,’ or secessionists. They went to war with Muhammad’s (SAW) cousin and son-in-law Ali, the first Shi’a Imam and fourth Sunni Caliph, and eventually assassinated him. An extremism so self-righteousness that it did not stop to wonder what kind of “understanding” of Islam would bring it to war with the Prophet’s (SAW) flesh and blood

5. Many Islamophobes desperately want to be engaged, because such engagement promises credibility. But before the debate begins, they dismiss the terms around which it might be structured. You cannot productively engage someone whose mind is already made up.

6. ‘I don’t hate Muslims, I hate Islam’. One cannot insist on innocuous analysis when one’s last chapter is ‘yes, Islam is evil, but Muslims are not.’ So I don’t get how you can hate a religion while loving its followers, especially since a religion is in so many ways who its followers are and what they do

7. The Islamophobe desperately needs us to believe Islam is utterly unlike us, but simultaneously like us. Because America is a country, Islam must be a country, too. If “they” attacked our capital on 9/11, we should attack “their” capital, which somehow becomes Mecca.
And this takes on more pernicious forms of reasoning. While condemning Islam for being allergic to secularism (creeping Shari’ah and all that), ostensibly Christian Islamophobes actively work for the Christianization of American politics and law. They see no contradiction in this. Newt Gingrich, who suggested during the controversy that there should not be a mosque near Ground Zero unless and until there was a church in Mecca. Gingrich associates America with a church, as opposed to say democracy; he wants a symbol of Christianity (read, America) in Mecca.

8. They refuse to admit to any kind of bias against Islam or Muslims because that bias is the ground they stand on. And to claim there is no such thing as bias against Islam or Muslims when, in the past decades, such bias has led to the deaths of tens of thousands in Bosnia, Kosovo, and the Caucasus, leaves me dumbfounded. In Bosnia, tens of thousands of Muslim women were Molested and well over one hundred thousand killed, in an attempt at ethnically cleansing that country to make way for a ‘Greater Serbia Radical Serbs ethnically cleansed many Croat areas of Croatia and Bosnia—for being Catholic and also because these Catholics lived in places those Orthodox Serbs wanted. It is a mark of how skewed our discourse has become that we do not call these radical Serbs “Christian fundamentalists” or “Christian terrorists,” although they justified much of what they did in the name of Christendom, against a conjured “Turkish” enemy.

https://www.nairaland.com/1264396/8-telling-signs-suffer-islamophobia#15338963

udatso:
May Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala bless vedaxcool for creating www.nairaland.com/1843878/shocking-reason-why-muslims-dont

That's the best reply for this trash

This is serious oooo. Brother vedaxcool, can you imagine she didn't check out the link posted above and she still wants answers. I believe this www.nairaland.com/1264396/8-telling-signs-suffer-islamophobia#15338963 by you is meant for her type

Ifeann:
Oh shut ur ignorant mouth... malvisguy212 is brilliant at exposing islam and u guys hardly ever give a good explanation for the issues he brings up

Since you are new in nairaland you wouldn't know anything about my dialogue with malvisguy212 since 2013 as well as with other muslim brothers. Go and check our posts and help yourself.

malvisguy212:
let see if you are sincere.

Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is
an Islamic ritual associated with the
pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically
between the two mounts, seven times.
This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic
practice. Muhammad retained it for
Islam, sanctioning it with yet another
Qur'anic revelation.

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin
Malik: "Did you use to dislike to
perform Tawaf between Safa and
Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the
CEREMONIES OF THE DAYS OF THE PRE-ISLAMIC
PERIOD OF IGNORANCE, till Allah
revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains)
As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the
SYMBOLS OF Allah. It is therefore no sin
for him who performs the pilgrimage
to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to
perform Tawaf between them.'
" (2.158)
Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710

How is it possible that pagan ritual become the symbols of Allah?

You just proved me right. Keep recycling

Empiree:
Malvis, pls dont expose your weak side to albaqir. Dont let him know you are robotic. This topic you brought was explained to you on another threads...remember I posted detailed explanation. You shut up afterward. I can't remember the thread but probably back in february. Me and 9jaforlife dealt with you on it yet you still brought it up. It will be a shame if baqir also come to same conclusion the way me and others did about you.

Remember, me, rilwayne001, lagoshia, tala9ja, 9jaforlife said the same thing about you?. Do you want baqir to come to that conclusion as well?. Please think. Thanks

Exactly, when he starts a topic and he is well answered, he is not matured enough to admit that he has been answered. He just keeps quiet, then after few days, weeks, or months, he starts to recycle the topic again. I don't know how one can be so dubious

May Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala bless vedaxcool for creating www.nairaland.com/1843878/shocking-reason-why-muslims-dont

That's the best reply for this trash

malvisguy212:
first you said what I quote was not. Hadith but your last statement say there is nothing wrong with the hadith I quote,(confused)

The Islamic books (hadith and quran) I provide was clear,the facts that the pagan practice such before muhammed approved it for the worship of Allah debunked All you claimed.

How can the very same two mountains
that were sacred to the pagans become
the “SYMBOL OF ALLAH”all of a sudden?
Moreover, how is it that the very same
pagan ritual of running between the two
hills is also retained in Islam? In
addition, why was the Arab pagan ritual
of going around the Ka’ba seven times,
also retained in Islam?

Seriously you have no honesty in you. YYou have raised this issue and you have been well replied in many cases. I used to think you had some sincerity left in you but all I see now is Ifeann. You are nothing but a recycler of answered questions. Shame on you

Plus234:
provide evidence or u forever shut up

I think you should ignore him. He doesn't deserve your attention. If at this point in time he still doesn't know who made that statement, there is nothing you can do to help him. Some people have sworn to be ignorant and hate to face reality. Let him be so every Nairalander who sees his post would see how outdated he is

Time to plan ahead

One of the good deeds of president Goodluck Jonathan. Good sportsmanship

Gratitude to channels TV the live streaming and to ECG (Electricity company of Ghana) for providing us with constant light to watch this. Change is here

Here a nairalander is watching the announcement live through channels TV in Accra, Ghana. Below are some the pix

Here a nairalander is watching the announcement live through channels TV in Accra, Ghana. Below are some the pix

Ifeann:
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First of all, Before you address someone as being new here you should probably check out the person's profile. Considering the time registered and the time spent online, you are my younger brother/sister on nairaland. RELIGION section is one of my most active section. Before you came, we have had worse islamophobes than you. Logicboy also had several monikers and after so much hatred and attack for Islam, he got tired and left. Many have followed this path of yours and there is always an end to it. I pray yours should be you becoming a Muslim. Ameeen.
Secondly, these verses you keep quoting every day from marriage of Prophet Muhammad to slavery to idolatry to terrorism and all that doesn't make any difference. The more you post these, the firmer and stronger my love for Islam. So like I have stated earlier in one of your threads, these points you keep bringing up have been well addressed by many muslims, your recycling them will only make people see the dishonesty and insincerity in you. Learn to admit when you are wrong especially when you have been corrected.
Finally, you can always refer to your previous post to check for answers to your recycled post especially that YouTube video of an unknown scholar you have been spreading around. I think empiree (not sure) or one of the brothers already addressed that.

Mtchew....... With all your advert in every thread, I thought it was something special. I should have ignored you as I have all this while

Jazakallahu khairan

Ifeann:
U just can't resist using al Taqiyya and lies.

Some corrections.
hitler killed christains, Jews, disabled folks and Muslims. He promoted occultic Germanic paganism. A lot of evidence also points to atheism because of a lot of atheist views he had as seen in recorded statements from him as well as his approval of eugenics.

If there is anybody guilty of this al-taqiyya here, it's actually you. Here you are claiming Hitler killed Muslims, Christians Jews and disabled folks and it's no problem......... You should hate Christians including yourself for that. If you claim he was an atheist, you should equally hate atheist for his crime. So why are you hating Muslims on crimes committed by other Muslims. From the way I see it, if these terrorist where to come out and public announce that there's no justification for their killings in Islam, you would argue with them and call them liars, and even go ahead to quote verses for them to support their cause. The only thing you want to hear about Islam is negativity and lies. You preach hate cos you hate peace. You can't stand peace. Using your logic, someone can generalise and call all Christians lovers of hate just the way you do to Muslims.

Sanguine77:
The wind of change is really blowing. I want change, positive change: let the value of naira increase, let unemployment reduce, let security be sustained, let electricity be constant, let our hospitals be functional, let corruption be eradicated and let the living conditions of Nigerians improve.
Lord, if Buhari will make all these thing possible, let no effort by PDP to rig the election succeed, Amin.

A big AMEN to your prayer. Who would want negativity in his life?

…APC wins 7, PDP 3
DAUD OLATUNJI
ABEOKUTA-The Independent National Electoral Commission has released results of Presidential election in 10 local governments in Ogun State.
Out of the results of the 10 local government areas councils released as at 2:pm on Sunday in Abeokuta, All Progressives Congress won seven with wide margin while People’s Democratic Party won th e remaining three local government areas.
The local government areas released so far include Obafemi-Owode, Abeokuta North, Odogboolu, Odeda, Imeko-Afon, Sagamu, Ijebu-Ode, Remo-North, Ewekoro, and Ijebu North-East.
The details are as follows;
Odeda Local government
Number of registered voters -63,935
Number of accreditted voter -17,463
APC -11,102
PDP -4,456
Total valid votes -16,152
Voided votes -775
Total votes cast -16,927
Imeko Afon Local Government
Number of voters registered -35,311
Number of accreditted voters -23,481
APC -7,657
PDP -12,153
Valid votes cast -20,466
Void votes -1,122
Sagamu Local Government
Number of registered voters -77,955
Number of accreditted voters -37,772
APC -15,761
PDP -17,263
Ijebu Ode Local Government
Number of registered voters -55,127
Number of voters accreditted -25,973
APC -14,043
PDP -8,972
Remo North Local Government
Number of registered voters -39,180
Number of accreditted voters -16,960
APC -6,164
PDP -9,278
Ewekoro Local Government
Number of registered voters -62,425
Number of accreditted voters -14,193
APC -9,626
PDP -3,227
Obafemi-Owode Local Government
Number of registered voters -74,871
Number of accreditted voters -24,402
APC -15,207
PDP -5,786
Ijebu North-East
Number of registered voters 36058
Number of accredited voters 15214
APC- 7638
PDP -6163
Odogboolu local government
Number of registered voters 70658
Number of accredited voters 25752
APC -11623
PDP -11405
Abeokuta North local government
Number of registered voters -12 5485
Number of accredited voters -30556
APC 21213
PDP 5,742

@op
I think you should add the 11th category:
THE MUSLIM CHRISTIANS
this set of Christians are so interested in the Muslim affairs...... They would rather spend their life tryingtto teach Muslims their religion, thereby paying little or no concern to Christianity or how to help improve their Christian brothers and sisters in knowledge of their religion. If you think am wrong pls check out Ifeann and her/his followers