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shdemidemi:
Hannah is not a christian my friend. The holy Spirit did not reside in her like it does in you today. Hence, her groaning was because of what she desired.

How do you groan when praying?

the holyspirit came upon people in the old testament. read your bible well. when i groan i make some inarticulate sound me myself does not understand. i also speak in tongue sometimes.

shdemidemi:
I am really sorry bro, I can't seem to understand what you are trying to say. Please put it more clearly.

Do you groan when you pray?

yea. i can pray for a long time with groaning. Hannah also pray similar kind of prayer.

italo:
No Pope reduced the books to 66.

The books of the Bible have been 73 right from the inception of the Bible in the 4th century.

It was Martin Luther who removed books that didn't fit his heresy.

He also attempted to remove the book of James. He called it "Epistle of straws."

the books in the bible has been 66. it was the roman catholic church that added the spurious uninspired apocryphal books to it to support their ungodly traditions and dogma.

AgreatMan:
wrong topic, it should be: 'why did the catholics reduced the books of the bible to just 66?

d op is an ignorant man, which is not an issue. The issue is he is either too lazy to make his research or simply wants to criticize at all course or mayb he's looking 4 attention so as 2 mk fp.

wonder what y sm people hv ish with one denomination, my church is where Jesus is, join me or ur soul will burn in Hell. What happened to d greatest commandment, LOVE?

u are the most ignorant of all. Do u think i'm looking for fame on a faceless forum like this? Monkey like u.

U need to update your knowledge. I dnt even know why i'm replying ur silly post.

shdemidemi:
Forget it, you are not being sincere. I don't understand the reason for the dissimulation.

what i'm saying is that the manner in which the groaning was made doesn't matter, whether in pain, laughter, etc. The important thing is that God understand.

mbaemeka:
The bible clearly says so. Remember the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. He already knows God's will and thoughts but the Human being praying doesn't. So the Holy Spirit uses the human to pray (with the humans voice) because the human doesn't know how to pray as he OUGHT to. Not that he doesn't know how to pray at all.

Now Paul has told us that that prayer could be in articulate speech for e.g, tongues. And now in this verse he has shown that it could be inarticulate like groans (or even laughter) emphasis mine. All that matters is that whatever sounds are heard, they would always be interpreted to the will of God.

u are on track.

shdemidemi:
Where did you find this again?

do u think the holyspirit do the praying for believers? Is that what u are saying?

shdemidemi:
My friend, quit the dishonesty. What is the point, really. The source of your incomplete definition of groan came from the english dictionary.

groan
ɡrəʊn/
verb
1.
make a deep inarticulate sound conveying pain, despair, pleasure, etc.

Why you omitted the 'conveying pain' is beyond me.



No, don't give the dictionary meaning. Give the original greek meaning and how it was used in that verse.

so if i omit that, what is the point u are driving at?

U can give me the greek meaning and how it was used.

Bidam:
Prayerless Christians that wants the Holy Spirit to pray for them. I just dey laff.

the holyspirit dnt pray for people, it only empowers them to pray. He helps them to pray nt the holyspirit doing the praying for them.

Bidam:
God bless you bro, atleast me and you na pally pally for this one apart from tithes.

so, u are still battling with the tithe scam? Good for you.

shdemidemi:
Its called defending your words, if what you say can't stand scrutiny, it means they are wrong and if they are wrong you must debunk them. I noticed you did not give the full definition of groan and you also gave a definition of 'intercession' used in Rom 8:26 without reference.

that is the shortest definition of groaning. I wonder what u want again, u can give me your definition.

Intercession in that context means, enablement, ability to do something. Help, like i said.
If it is dictionary definition u are looking for, i will say 'sorry', cos i will nt do that. We must not try to explain God's word with human knowledge. We must follow the leading of the holyspirit. Human logic will fail.

italo:
Christians already see one another as brethren.

are u sure that Jehovah witness members sees you a catholic member as bethren?

honourhim:
The issue here is not how to merge everyone to your Roman chUrch. Its about how we can see one another as brethren, in love, irrespective of the various divides.

If you can't grab it then fly away here and stop making noise.

and how we can speak the same thing in terms of doctrines since we have one bible and one holyspirit.

italo:
So you believe God's Church has been led astray from what God wants it to teach?

many church have deviated from the truth particularly, the catholic church.

italo:
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this is what?

shdemidemi:
Are you sure that is the complete definition of the word?


where did you get this definition from, if I may ask?

these questions are uncalled for. I have given u an explanation of the verse of scripture. So why the many questions? If you have any problem with my explanation, state it. I have told you what the intercession stands for and the definition of groaning.

AnodaIT:
The books of the bible, the individual scriptures were given by God and written by men inspired by God. And there were many of these books, [color=000099]some questionable[/color]. Who took all these inspired scriptures and compiled them into one book and declared it to be used by the church? Roman Catholic.

Go and read about the Council of Hippo, Trent, Nicene etc when the Church decided to create a unified system of Worship because of the clashes that occurred when some people preferred to follow Peter's teaching or Paul's teaching. This gave birth to the Universal Catholic Church and the Bible

so they compiled some 66 and some 73? And which are the questionable ones they added?

What do you know about KJV bible?

shdemidemi:
Thanks for the correction. Where exactly did the bible say all you have said?

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: [size=20pt]but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.[/size]

If your reference to all you inferred is from the portion, please explain what it means to groan?

Explain what it means to intercede?

groaning means making low inarticulate sound.

Intercession in this context means to give enablement, ability to do something. Help.

AnodaIT:
Catholic added more books? That is laughable

Do your research more, the Roman Catholic actually reduced the numbers of books used for teachings and compiled the ones they could verify and gave Christendom the Bible. They just decided to keep the other books separate cos there was no convincing verification at that time though it was still edifying.

Roman Catholic Church gave us the Bible in this form.

they did nt reduce, they added to the 66 books. Their own contains about 73 instead of 66. The catholic did nt give us the bible but God.

shdemidemi:
What do you mean by why not bro?

Be more lucid so I don't assume anything. Did Romans 8:16 say

i think u meant Roman 8:26 which i have explained.

What the holyspirit does for the saint is to give them the enablement, the ability to pray as they ought to. He helps them even when they are too weak to pray or lack utterances. The holyspirit is not the one doing the groaning, we are the one doing it in the place of prayer as the spirit gives us the ability. That is the intercession the holyspirit is doing for the saints.

shdemidemi:
Did you read all of this from Romans 8:26?

why nt?

vooks:
So Holy Spirit URGES FOR Bidam to pray? I thought I said no pidgin negro!

http://biblehub.com/topical/i/intercession.htm

Read that verse slowly without referring to your foundation class BS

Romans 8:26- 27 (ESV)
26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

the holyspirit guides us to pray according to the will of God. He give us utterances. He helps us when we are weak in the flesh. He urge us on in prayer.

Why is it that the roman catholic went and added more books to the inspired books in the bible?

Did they have the right to do so?

Are those additional book accepted by the early church?

Are they inspired of God?

Are the teachings contained in those books in line with what is found in the 66 books of the bible?

Those are some questions that are begging for answers.

What do you have to say about this?

italo:
The Catholic Church has the fullness of truth...it has that completely right.

There is division simply because so called Christians broke away from it.

the catholic does nt have the fullness of truth but lies. Have u asked yourself why they broke away? Will they just wake up and say they are leaving?

Plaitex:
abeg na english o. No matter how hard i read for english, i just manage to score above average. But for maths, all i need to know is how to manipulate the formulars and am good to go

if u miss one step in maths, your solving will be rubbish.

Tymax:
Good response. Don't mind those lazy, conceited ladies who refuse to learn. God will lead us to ladies of great character and awesome culinary skills.

Listen up ladies:
Just like it is the perceived responsibility of a man to "take care" of you, it is likewise a woman's responsibility to cook for her husband. If you fall short, then you are not a good wife. And your husband is just managing you. Why employ a cook when my wife can express love with her cooking skills?

it baffles me when many ladies say they dnt know how to cook. That their husband should employ a cook. What a shame!

I thought that many ladies just want to sit at home, cross their legs and wait for the man to do the running around for money to take care of them. Things are really changing.

haffaze777:
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I am cos I need to follow my mentor broda uncle apostle paul d greatest liar of all time

no. you are following the devil the father of lies.

haffaze777:
I mean we (Christian) we are all liar cos dats what uncle paul told us to do to gain gullible mind

paul didn't tell us that. it is the devil that is telling you that. u have to reject that father of lies.

allen6758:
No one has it completely right.

that is why we have the spirit of truth. u will know when u are wrong.

allen6758:
I would not be so quick to pass judgement. Jesus tells us not to judge, we should speak what the bible says but as soon as you begin to pass judgement and point the finger at a particular church and say your wrong you are being part of the division.

if christians truly adhered to what bible teaches, we would not have this division. many are walking according to their senses instead of yielding to the leading of the holy spirit. many know the truth, but they dont want to follow it maybe due to some selfish reasons or claims. God will help us.