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PastorKun:
All ke? me I don't stage miracles oh!

hifaif:
I knew you would quote Isaiah.

It is God Who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; it is He Who stretches out the heavens like [gauze] curtains and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in...
- Isaiah 40:22

The writer of Isaiah wrote only what he observed. He looked at the sky and saw that it looked round. That was why he wrote, above the CIRCLE of the earth. Why didn't he write ABOVE THE EARTH? Why write ABOVE THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH?

The answer is obvious. The ignorant writer of Isaiah thought the earth was flat but that the sky (the firmament) was a dome (round) and that God had his throne over the firmament.

hifaif:
@OP, the stories of angels coming to lay with human ladies is ridiculous.

Haba, even Jehovah also slept with a virgin. Kai, walahi, that is bad. Sleeping with another man's betrothal.

Raiders:
All Nigerian pastors from pastor Chris to TB Joshua stage miracles. They use their fake miracles to attract church members.

Raiders:
All Nigerian pastors from pastor Chris to TB Joshua stage miracles. They use their fake miracles to attract church members.

Boss13:
^^^^^^ My brother do you think they ever performed a single miracle? They are all staged. Browse the internet and see for yourself.

SisterMe:
Okay I have read it and these are the applicable scriptures quoted in support of your argument Job 1:6 ; 2:1 ; 38:7.

In none of those verses did it say. or imply that sons of God are fallen angels. Sons of God are just that: sons of God. If you believe in predestination, you will understand that sons of God are nust that..sons of God

SisterMe:
We learn everyday. I will like to see the verses in question thanks.

hifaif:
You guys are damn lazy. Was it not your Christianity that tried killing Galileo for daring to say the earth was round and not flat.

OK, I posted these to one ignorant fellow like you. Please, educate yourself:

The Enlightenment was a sprawling intellectual,
philosophical, cultural, and social movement that
spread through England, France, Germany, and
other parts of Europe during the 1700s. Enabled by
the Scientific Revolution, which had begun as early
as 1500, the Enlightenment represented about as
big of a departure as possible from the Middle
Ages—the period in European history lasting from
roughly the fifth century to the fifteenth.

The millennium of the Middle Ages had been
marked by unwavering religious devotion and
unfathomable cruelty. Rarely before or after did the
Church have as much power as it did during those
thousand years. With the Holy Roman Empire as a
foundation, missions such as the Crusades and
Inquisition were conducted in part to find and
persecute heretics, often with torture and death.
Although standard at the time, such harsh
injustices would eventually offend and scare
Europeans into change. Science, though
encouraged in the late Middle Ages as a form of
piety and appreciation of God’s creation, was
frequently regarded as heresy, and those who tried
to explain miracles and other matters of faith faced
harsh punishment. Society was highly hierarchical,
with serfdom a widespread practice. There were
no mandates regarding personal liberties or rights,
and many Europeans feared religion—either at the
hands of an unmerciful God or at the hands of the
sometimes brutal Church itself.

The Scientific Revolution and the Enlightenment,
however, opened a path for independent thought,
and the fields of mathematics, astronomy, physics,
politics, economics, philosophy, and medicine
were drastically updated and expanded. The
amount of new knowledge that emerged was
staggering. Just as important was the enthusiasm
with which people approached the Enlightenment:
intellectual salons popped up in France,
philosophical discussions were held, and the
increasingly literate population read books and
passed them around feverishly. The Enlightenment
and all of the new knowledge thus permeated
nearly every facet of civilized life. Not everyone
participated, as many uneducated, rural citizens
were unable to share in the Enlightenment during
its course. But even their time would come, as the
Enlightenment also prompted the beginning of the
Industrial Revolution, which provided rural dwellers
with jobs and new cities in which to live.

http://m.sparknotes.com/history/european/enlightenment/context.html

hifaif:
@Ukutsgp, please, quote a bible verse that says that the earth is spherical?

And please, don't you know that there is a difference between circular and spherical.

SisterMe:
Sorry dear but you are seeing what you want to see in all the verses you quoted. No where is it said that Sons of God refer to angels. You are the one adding that.

But be that as it may, , we can let the matter rest. I appreciate your contribution.

SisterMe:
Sorry dear but you are seeing what you want to see in all the verses you quoted. No where is it said that Sons of God refer to angels. You are the one adding that.

But be that as it may, , we can let the matter rest. I appreciate your contribution.

SisterMe:
Sorry dear but you are seeing what you want to see in all the verses you quoted. No where is it said that Sons of God refer to angels. You are the one adding that.

But be that as it may, , we can let the matter rest. I appreciate your contribution.

SisterMe:
You get a better idea of what the writer was trying to say if you look at the same verse 6 in the Amplified version. It says "



Jude 1:6 Amplified Bible
(AMP)
And angels who did not
keep (care for, guard, and
hold to) their own first place
of power but abandoned
their proper dwelling place—
these He has reserved in
custody in eternal chains
(bonds) under the thick
gloom of utter darkness until
the judgment and doom of
the great day."

The emphasis is not a physical dwelling place but rather a position of power and authority- which only applies when one walks in truth. So it is the departure. of Satan and his fallen angels from
truth that is the issue here. It is a long extrapolation to insinuate that this means angels sleeping with women. It didnt call the angels sons of God either. That Nephilim thing is a Jehovahs Witness idea. It finds no basis in the Bible when brought to scrutiny.

hifaif:
You are very ignorant. Religion put man in gloom for years until the Age of Enlightenment when some men began to think for themselves.

Prior to that age, your Christianity taught men that:

1. The earth was flat

2. The sky was concrete

3. There was an ocean over us which is why the sky is blue (of course, Da Vinci debunked this ridiculous claim and became an enemy of the church)

4. There was a store house for hail, rain, snow

5. Earthquake was caused by the wrath of God

6. Epilepsy is caused by evil spirits

7. Deafness and dumbness are caused by deaf and dumb spirits.

Your Christianity made men dumb and kept Europe in darkness. Enlightened men such as Leonardo Da Vinci, Galileo, etc, were even persecuted for holding views contrary to those of your Christianity

SisterMe:
kindly quote where it says so in the book of Jude.

vest:
s.m.h! so u dnt even knw!

SisterMe:
The angel to Mary " Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.". So it was the supernatural power of God and not sex.

Secondly it is not true that angels slept with women to produce giants or what you call nephilim. " Ge 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." Sons of God there means descendants of Adam through Seth. Daughters of men means the "painted faced jezebel women " descendants of Cain who was not Adam's son, though he was Eve's son.

Yes, by the Bible account, you hit the nail on the head- the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus. Jesus said " My Father dwelleth in me". So Jesus prayed to the Father that was in Him. Even you commune with your spirit as David the psalmist said.

Jesus was a man and He was also God. When the body died the Spirit departed and His soul went to the land of the dead.

macof:
I understand the Bible more than ur dead holy spirit that is sucking ur brain

vest:
Firstlysecondlynow

THIS IS ukutsgp of nairaland

macof:
Quite my point. The Bible is so silly that it states men from the sky came in legions to get women pregnant

gatiano:
yes, alright. the sons of God are you and me if you are a blackman or a half-caste and also a half-caste from a black father, the seed determines the the tree and the fruits from it. and half-caste from the black mother is quite different, however that half-caste is still black but must be monitored (GOD forgive me), Genesis 1:26 Let US make man in OUR image and likeness.and it continued as "and we will give them dominion over all things.... man in image and likeness means mankind, a kind of man not man. GOD made the heavens and the earth all alone, he created the firmament, the waters all alone. There was or is no mention of him creating the trinity/son/spirit or angels. suddenly, he had companions to which to make man with. lets think about that.
down to genesis chapter 2, suddenly the person of GOD changed into two people. there is a GOD and another emphasis was made with the LORD GOD. what could have been the difference between these two.

To me a person without both the bible and the quran can not be called complete, be it christians or muslims. it is a must for the blackman to have both books. In the Quran, The pronoun "WE" is used in many occasions as GOD. The angels are just Governors (archangels, just 7 of them), they are not in the realm of creating.

and to somewhere around Genesis 30. it talked about Jacob inter breeding the cattles, the sheep and the goats. he jacob made all the colours of the animals from just one "the black ones". The animals here don't mean animals rather, a people, and it took him 6 years to complete which corresponds with the 6 days of creation.

macof:
The problem here is Your silly God is a humanoid
It kills the possibility of truth

waley007:
Do you believe in miracle? Pray over it and it shall open itself, you wont even need to stress urself...I am talking from experience