plaetton:



These guys are nothing but hustlers.
These is nothing they would not do or say to sell their wares.

My particular anger at these clowns is that they are dabbling with deadly issues that have deadly repercussions on society, without even a care.

Other imbeciles likes Gombs and striktimi would defend these fraudsters with out an ounce of care of the damage to the larger society.
And the slowpoke calls me emotional.
If I can't be emotional about a public health hazard, then i don't know what else I could be emtional about.

vooks:
Gombs is a Christ Embassy hooligan. He will soil this place with gifs to irritate you. Ignore the kid.
His other specialty is spewing Oyaks puke all over.

Joagbaje 4:46am On Oct 05:

Don't just sit on your computer typing rubish john .i sense you're afraid .You know this testimony will rubish all the nonsense you've been publishing . I posted the guys number . Why not find out . Why haven't you made an attempt . It's not my duty to run errand for you . If I post medical record here you will call say I forged it so john I challenge you in the name of Jesus whom you're denying . Use your half a million naira to prove me wrong.
Secondly [size=18pt]if you a able to prove that this guy wasn't healed of HIV[/size] . I will give you half a million. .
This is an open challenge john.

SirJohn:


Joagbaje,
Did I prove to you that the video was a joke? YES
Did I prove that the guy wasn't healed? YES
Did I prove you wrong? YES

If your response is contrary, please say

This is the guys medical report, the only one we could get in two months; can you provide a negative report to cancel this out? NO

Boss13:


What was annoying was how they wanted to coined it as a mistake on the part of Joagbaje that he was deceived by Jeff. Why would Jeff wander of the streets into Joagbaje's church just to testify that he was healed when he wasn't. Remember Sirjohn told us he has lost his job. Joagbaje wants me to believe that he was sending Jeff money to get his HIV report or conspiring with him.

This same Joagbaje told us he can cure ebola The man is so insane.

plaetton:


Just listen to yourself.

He allowed himself to be deceived ?.

Even if he allowed himself to be deceived(according to you), but he went on to forcefully and passionately market and hawk the deception as true for his benefit, knowing that he had not done his due diligence.
Is that not tantamount to a Fraud on his own part?

vooks:
Gombs is a Christ Embassy hooligan. He will soil this place with gifs to irritate you. Ignore the kid.
His other specialty is spewing Oyaks puke all over.

Boss13:


very staged as always with the general overseer - jerry curl chris oyaks

SirJohn:


Joagbaje,
Did I prove to you that the video was a joke? YES
Did I prove that the guy wasn't healed? YES
Did I prove you wrong? YES

If your response is contrary, please say

This is the guys medical report, the only one we could get in two months; can you provide a negative report to cancel this out? NO

Boss13:

Joagbaje abeg pay this man his money. No too much talk inside. Sirjohn call him on phone let him come and tell the house the date of payment.

plaetton:


The same Joagbaje tried to sell an ebola miracle cure here a few weeks ago. I was so pissed off I quickly reported tot he mods to have the thread removed.
I just can't imagine what is in the hearts of these people and the others that support them.

Boss13:


he is a lunatic. exactly like the ones eating faeces in Upper Iweka Onitsha

Joagbaje:


I do work miracles as expected of a christian . I have at least 4 HIV cases healed . Blind cases . And a dead raised to life. I don't need any validation from anyone. It's only sad. That many folks here don't know christ nor his power. See how so called Christians are shaking at a common demonic desease. What does the name if Jesus mean to you? What does his death mean to you. Do you know him ? The gospel is not in words but it's in power.


1 Thessalonians 1:5
For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power,

1 Corinthians 2:4
And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

striktlymi:


It seems you want to redefine the meaning of fraud. Not taking time out to do ones due diligence does not define fraud.

SirJohn:


Joagbaje,
Did I prove to you that the video was a joke? YES
Did I prove that the guy wasn't healed? YES
Did I prove you wrong? YES

If your response is contrary, please say

This is the guys medical report, the only one we could get in two months; can you provide a negative report to cancel this out? NO

Joagbaje:
MY FULL RESPONSE

i will summarize . Jeff testifies of being healed of HIV. Actually That's about 2years ago or 3. I asked for his medical records he said he could get it within the week. And I assumed he had. I sought his consent on the testimony being shared online . He consented . I asked for the editing of the video .which was done . And a Clip from from the particular programme which Jeff mentioned. Was presented which actually fit Jeff story and also looked like him to a great extent. Except that the other guy looks very sickly and lean which could also be attributed to the ailment . But to be very sure . The video link was sent to jeff on whatsapp to verify if he watched the video and if he was the one being prayed for And he affirmed , so that clears me of any deliberate manipulation . I can send the screen shot of the whatsapp conversation to Gombs if he could post it for me. Sir john also saw the chat because I posted the screen shot to him also.That's that about the Video.

Then concerning his healing. Noe Somebody may ask why i didn't insist on seeing the medical report.the answer is simple I know beyond doubt that the person I prayed for in that video was healed . So the issue is was it Jeff?. And Jeff confirmed he was. So I had double assurance . The witness of the spirit in me on the day of prayer and Jeff affirmation. My shock came when Jeff's pastor watched the video and said it's not Jeff and he gave the video to Jeff and said Jeff said he's not sure it's him. I gave the development feedback to Sirjohn that they said it's not him. And Sirjohn told me that Jeff had admitted to him before also that he watched the video and that he was the one. Sirjohn even posted the audio of the conversation. And he warned that he doesn't trust Jeff .

On why I was not keen on being the one to present the medical evidence . Firstly Because some people here will claim it's manipulated . I prefer the investigators to talk with the testifier and ask him for proof of his healing . And also because of my previous discussion with Sirjohn. He had ask if I can present any miracle through prayer ,he would travell there to investigate and talk with the Neighbours and relative and medicals . So I left the investigation for Him.

So I gave the challenge. For john to find out if this miracle was staged or a fraud as they claimed. I gave the phone number of the guy with the understanding that he had his papers now. When john told me the guy didn't have them , I called him to ask. He said he is now living in delta. And he is out of job. He didn't even have money to go and get the records. I asked for his account no. I sent 30,000 to him.and later another 10,000. Sirjohn will bear witness that the guy sometimes doesn't pick calls for days . I dealt with john with all transparency . Jeff claimed he got his doctors report from of of the doctors who had been transferred to Owerri. But he said they were robbed on the way and he had to go back and start all over. I agree to still give him even if it's 100,000 . To avoid. Story. Sir John was even warning me . That the brother may be taking me for a ride. While we are still waiting for that . I introduced his pastor to john who knew about the history of his ailment .

Finally I had to get his pastor and his ex Fiancee to go to one of the hospitals to get the record of his first test of HIV positive which was sent to Sirjohn. There were 3 hospitals where he said he had test. They've not been able to get the one for HIV negative. He was to go to owerri again . His pastor finally concluded Jeff should do another test now. And he later called me that Jeff travelled. I've called him and sent message . So I'm waiting for the other reports and feed back. And he finally present them . They should be well Scrutinized for any falsehood. And there need be . Jeff can be compelled to do fresh test. If there's anything else I remember I will re post. That's it for now.

Boss13:
My people make una see Joagbaje. Joagbaje please provide evidence for all these.

StarBoard:




Fake long throat pastor cannot bring evidence of one healed, you are asking him for 4.
Dem send you?

Ukutsgp:
the lesson here is that we should be careful of what we say and do. we should shown boasting and vain glory. and we should be straightforward in all that we do.

someone said that truth exist, it is only lies that has to be invented.

Boss13:

Boss13:


. the guy don put am for him CV. I have raised one person from the dead, healed 4 HIV patients and if nigerians does not have adequate information had ebola was handled, I bet he would add that too. For the glory of God indeed.

StarBoard:

Bros is not a laughing matter.
Charlatans like Jo are in abundance.

Meanwhile plaetton is still engaging pastor Jo's FRA Williams who is defining fraud for grown men instead of doing so for his little toddler nephews

Joagbaje:


I do work miracles as expected of a christian . I have at least 4 HIV cases healed . Blind cases. And a dead raised to life.

Joagbaje:
MY FULL RESPONSE

i will summarize .
................................................................
I can send the screen shot of the whatsapp conversation to Gombs if he could post it for me. Sir john also saw the chat because I posted the screen shot to him also.That's that about the Video.

Then concerning his healing. Noe Somebody may ask why i didn't insist on seeing the medical report.the answer is simple I know beyond doubt that the person I prayed for in that video was healed . So the issue is was it Jeff?. And Jeff confirmed he was. So I had double assurance . [size=14pt]The witness of the spirit in me on the day of prayer[/size] and Jeff affirmation. My shock came when Jeff's pastor watched the video and said it's not Jeff and he gave the video to Jeff and said Jeff said he's not sure it's him. I gave the development feedback to Sirjohn that they said it's not him. And Sirjohn told me that Jeff had admitted to him before also that he watched the video and that he was the one. Sirjohn even posted the audio of the conversation. And he warned that he doesn't trust Jeff .
......................................................................

SirJohn:

Jeff claimed he got HIV because he didn't pay his firstfruits; he gave a lengthy tale about how his pastor warned him about not giving his firstfruits.

StarBoard:

Dr Abalaka.
Grade 1 charlatan.

How are we no sure that he has not forged the 4 cases he claims he has healed?
and how do we know that there is a video of him "raising" someone from the dead?

Dis one na nollywood special.

Boss13:


I know. Once a man confronts me with the word Pastor, Evangelist, Reverend; I turn off immediately. I know how many business contacts I turned down. One invited me to his office and wanted to bribe me and I was like (in my mind) I thought this guy is a pastor. I politely declined the offer. I don't play that way - fraudsters irritates me.

Boss13:


I know. Once a man confronts me with the word Pastor, Evangelist, Reverend; I turn off immediately. I know how many business contacts I turned down. One invited me to his office and wanted to bribe me and I was like (in my mind) I thought this guy is a pastor. I politely declined the offer. I don't play that way - fraudsters irritates me.

timmy2409:
The stark contrast between the demeanors of the claimants on the initial thread and on this one is so funny. Daddy pastor puts up a confusing post leaving out specific details to absolve himself of any responsibility, while his Smeagol-like pawn is resigned to posting silly pictures. As if that'll make people forget the issue at hand

Really, there's one single detail that puts the nail in the coffin for any theories that this was not a planned 'miracle' on the part of Joagbaje



Good business strategy to get those church people tithing Jo