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shadeyinka:
You may repost that last part.
I saw it as not relevant to the discussion.

I you still want me to respond to it no problem. Although my problem is you redressing what is written in black and white stubbornly with no regard for the truth like a mule.

no need self again just answer who fulfilled d prophecy? And don't tell me holy spirit or just a spirit

Without d hearth there's no shaitan
". D body there nothing for d jinn to poses
Mind u dey are all diffrent beings they have their own spirit

shadeyinka:
You may repost that last part.
I saw it as not relevant to the discussion.

I you still want me to respond to it no problem. Although my problem is you redressing what is written in black and white stubbornly with no regard for the truth like a mule.

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shadeyinka:
I didn't jump any part.

However I also see that you are thoroughly biased.

How can Muhammed be a spirit?
1. Because Mohammed is dead but it is his teaching now that is the Paraclete?
2. Sorry, demons(jinns), Satan, angels are spirits. They don't need a host do they?
3. Jesus said that His disciples ALREADY knew the Holy Spirit (present tense). Mohammed was born 600 years after
4. The Holy Spirit was already know at that time even your copy-paste text says it. You say its a lie
John 14:15-18
15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever —
17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him . But you know him , for he lives with you and will be[c] in you.
18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

What else can it mean?
Jesus disciples already knew the Paraclete

5. Is the Quran now the Paraclete or Mohammed?
The Paraclete lives inside Jesu's Disciples not the Mohammed.

1. You said Jesus did not send the Paraclete!
Check out:


1. Jesus and Mohammed preached different messages
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Compare with the teachings of Jesus
Luke 6:28
28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
Mohammed preached his own message

2. Does Mohammed know the Father?
Clearly NO!
Show me a Hadith where Mohammed mentioned the Father.

Maybe you don't realize that God is the God of even trees and Shaitan but Gos is not a Father to them.

1. As explained Mohammed is flesh and blood he is NOT a spirit.
Does Mohammed live inside you?

4. I said show me a human being referred to as a spirit from your scriptures or hadiths.

You wanted me to read with open mind but your answers show that you don't appreciate the truth. You are willing to bend interpretations of scripture to suit your whims.

I gave you several scriptural evidences which you didn't read else your answers would not have been a dogmatic repetition of your dogmas.

Mohammed clearly CANNOT be the Paraclete from the reading of the Bible and you know that.

Suppose I insist that the Quran says Muslims should kill all christians and you showed me the suras from the Quran and hadith's opposing that, do you think it is right for me to insist that the Qur'an says "kill all Christians"?

That is like what you are doing. You cannot reinterpret the clear words of the bible to suit your whims

if you said it not muhammad(SAW) who fulfilled dat prophecy?

you didn't still did not say anything about that last part of the info or are deliberately ignoring it?

analice107:
Guy, ask your Imams to take away the Apostate punishment and give Islam 20yrs. Did you see the mass conversion out of islam when the refugees left Islamic countries to Europe? They knew they could still be murdered by muslims in those countries, but they left Islam anyways, what do you think will happen if they know no one will come for their lives?

Trust me on this, if the Apostasy law is removed, the sultan of sokoto with all his household will leave islam.

majority of the countries in the world don't use sheria law Nigeria for example constituting of 75% muslims 25% christians and pple are still reverting to islam

analice107:
They oppose salvation for that will make Muslims seek out to be saved. Satan doesntt want people escaping from him, so he has put modalities in place to keep them back.

If Muslims believe in salvation, Muhammed wouldn't have one single follower.

what makes u think it's apostate punishment that made Islam have follower


Laughing

[quote author=shadeyinka post=61521441]Characteristics of the Παράκλητον
1. He will be with Jesus disciples forever.
Mohammed is dead, so he doesn't qualify
Ans: he teachings still lives in heart of men



2.The Παράκλητον is also called the Spirit of truth
Mohammed is NOT a Spirit is he?


Ans:spirit don't exist without a vessel or host

3. The world (unbelievers) cannot see Him nor know Him
Mohammed fought unbelievers. They know him when he was alive

Ans: he didn't reveal him self as prophet until Allah asked him to

4. This Παράκλητον was already known by the disciples at the time Jesus was speaking to them.

Ans: that's a big fat lie

Mohammed was born almost 600 years after so, he cannot qualify

Ans:did jesus come imediatly after moses prophesied

5.This Παράκλητον lives INSIDE the Disciples
Does Mohammed live inside people?

Ans:yes his teachings,physic

The next verse you quoted is lengthy for you to get the information but here it is

Wiyh out repeating the earlier points
1. Jesus is the one sending the Παράκλητον to the disciples.

Ans: no, it was God
He said he. Will pray to his father

If Jesus sends Mohammed, are you agreeing that Jesus is greater than Mohammed?

Ans: no

2. The Παράκλητον will bring messages of Jesus to people.

Example: Love your enemies, do good to those who cheat you amongst others. I hate divorce!

Ans:yes he did that

Tell me if Mohammed preached the messages of Jesus (I know you will start saying oneness of Allah as if the Jews worshipped several gods)

Finally


1. Jesus sends the Παράκλητον to His disciples
You agree that Jesus sends Mohammed?

Ans: no, it was God
He said he. Will pray to his father



2.The Παράκλητον is from the Father
How come Mohammed does not know the Father if he is from the Father?
Does He?

Ans:he glorifies him

Everything Allah created gives glory to him including you but I will tell how becoz I knw u wuld ask me how


3. The Παράκλητον is a Spirit
Mohammed is flesh and blood

Ans:spirit do not exist without host


4. The Παράκλητον is a Spirit who goes out from the Father
Show me a human being who is called or referred to as a spirit?
Ans:becoz dey in line


If Mohammed fulfills 70% of these characteristics (in the scripture), we may take him seriously but failing almost 100%?!
Ans: he fullfiled all d prophecy

Why did u jump d. Last part of d info i posted,and your questions are sentimental

You worshipping GOD is not going to benefits me it's for own Good but it's your right upon me to let you know


I just wanted to let you that sir b4 we continue sir

WaAllahua'allam

*Jannat* is made with

1. Bricks of Gold and Silver.
2. Its cement is of perfumed Musk.
3. Its chips are pearls and Yaqoot.
4. Its sand is Zafraan.

*Eight Grades of Jannah*

1. Jannatul Maawa
2. Darul Maqaam
3. Darul Salaam
4. Darul Khuld
5. Jannat-ul-Adan
6. Jannat-ul-Naeem
7. Jannat-ul-Kasif
8. Jannat-ul-Firdous

*Food of Jannah*

They will eat foods and fruits continuously up to 40 years.
Every bowl will have a new taste.
They will take eructation which will digest the food and there will be perfumed sweating for the digestion of water.
There will be no urine and stool.

*Place Name*

There will be gardens in Jannah.
Every garden will have the length of about 100 year's journey.
The shadow of these gardens will be very dense.
Their plants will be free of thorns.
The size of their leaves will be equal to ears of elephants.
Their fruits will be hanging in rows.

Jannatul Mava is in the lowest,
Jannat-ul-Adan is the middle &
Jannat-ul- Firdous is on the highest.

Those who love each other for the sake of Allah will get a pillar of Yaqoot,
On which there will be seventy thousand (70,000) rooms.
These will shine for the residents of Jannah as the sun shines for the residents of Duniya.

*Rooms of Jannah*

There will be rooms in Jannah in such a way that every room will have seventy thousand (70,000) dinning sheets.
On every dinning sheet 70,000 types of foods will be served.
For their service 80,000 young boys will be moving around looking like beautiful scattered pearls.

One bunch of dates will be equal to the length of 12 arms.
The size of a date will be equal to the big pitcher.
These will be whiter than milk, sweeter than honey and softer than butter and free
Of seeds.
The stem of these plants will be made up of gold and silver.
There will also be gardens of grapes. The bunches of grapes will be very big.
The size of a single grape will be equal to a big pitcher.

Someone asked, ya Rasulullah (Sallalahu alaihi wasallam):
will it be sufficient for me and my family. It was answered, it will be sufficient for you and your whole tribe.

*The Dresses of Jannah*

The dress of Jannah will be very beautiful.
One will wear 70 dresses at a time.
These will be very fine, delicate, weightless, having different colors.
These dresses will be so fine that the body even the heart will be visible.
And the waves of love in the hearts will also be visible.
These dresses will never become old, never be dirty and will never tear.

There will be four canals in every Jannah.

1 Water
2. Milk
3. Honey
4. Sharabun Tahoora.

There will also be three fountains in Jannah:

1. Kafoor
2. Zanjabeel
3. Tasneem

*Qualities of People of Jannah*

In Jannah, height of every Mo 'min, will be equal to the height of

Hazrat Adam (Alaihissalaam) 60 arms (90 feet).
Beauty will be like that of Hazrat Yousuf (Alaihissalaam)
Age of youth will be like that of Hazrat Esa (Alaihissalaam) 30-33 years).
Sweetness of voice will be like that of Hazrat Dawud (Alaihissalaam).
Tolerance will be like that of Hazrat Yaqoob (Alaihissalaam)
Patience will be like that of Hazrat Ayyub (Alaihissalaam.)
Habits will be like that of Sayyaduna Muhammad (Sallalahu alaihi wasallam)

*NOTE:*

If a person makes Du'a for Jannah three times,
Jannah requests Allah that O, Allah; make his entry into Jannah.
And if a person makes Du'a for safety from Jahannum three times,
The Jahannnum requests Allah that, O, Allah; save him from Jahannum.

Please pass on and may Allah grant the entire Ummah of Nabi sallalahu alayhi wasallam Jannat ul Firdous Ameen!

Every good act is charity

JAZAK ALLAHU KHAIR-
May Allah Forgive our sins...Ameen

shadeyinka:
Congrats and no problem.
Wish you the best of today

am back have u read and digested d information?

pls kindly observe and ask your questions sir

Originakalokalo:
Let me give you more.

We baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

The holy Spirit promised is the spirit of God.

Mohammed is not the SPIRIT OF GOD.

it promised d spirit of truth not spirit of God. Stop twisting the whole thing sir. I'm trying my best to make you understand the verse

Pls let's continue it here

https://www.nairaland.com/4106470/discussion-christian-christian-doctrine-redemption/7

Together with shadeyinka and analice107

shadeyinka:
Congrats and no problem.
Wish you the best of today

thank u sir

Abu Hurairah narrated that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “Take on only as much as you can do of good deeds, for the best of deeds is that which is done consistently, even if it is little.”

Reference: Ibn Majah
English reference : Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4240
Arabic reference : Book 37, Hadith 4381

[quote author=shadeyinka post=61524651][/quote]I will answer ur queries when I close today frm poly the strike has been suspended

shadeyinka:
The Greek word Παράκλητον(pronounced as Parakleton).
In general the word signifies:
(1) a legal advocate, or counsel for defense,
(2) an intercessor,
(3) a helper, generally.
Pls open this link to confirm:
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14.htm or type Παράκλητον in google.

So, let's look at the scriptures one by one and tell me if it refers to Mohammed.

Characteristics of the Παράκλητον
1. He will be with Jesus disciples forever.
Mohammed is dead, so he doesn't qualify
2.The Παράκλητον is also called the Spirit of truth
Mohammed is NOT a Spirit is he?
3. The world (unbelievers) cannot see Him nor know Him
Mohammed fought unbelievers. They know him when he was alive
4. This Παράκλητον was already known by the disciples at the time Jesus was speaking to them.
Mohammed was born almost 600 years after so, he cannot qualify
5.This Παράκλητον lives INSIDE the Disciples
Does Mohammed live inside people?

The next verse you quoted is lengthy for you to get the information but here it is

Wiyh out repeating the earlier points
1. Jesus is the one sending the Παράκλητον to the disciples.
If Jesus sends Mohammed, are you agreeing that Jesus is greater than Mohammed?
2. The Παράκλητον will bring messages of Jesus to people.

Example: Love your enemies, do good to those who cheat you amongst others. I hate divorce!
Tell me if Mohammed preached the messages of Jesus (I know you will start saying oneness of Allah as if the Jews worshipped several gods)

Finally


1. Jesus sends the Παράκλητον to His disciples
You agree that Jesus sends Mohammed?
2.The Παράκλητον is from the Father
How come Mohammed does not know the Father if he is from the Father?
Does He?
3. The Παράκλητον is a Spirit
Mohammed is flesh and blood
4. The Παράκλητον is a Spirit who goes out from the Father
Show me a human being who is called or referred to as a spirit?
If Mohammed goes out of the Father, he must surely know the Father AND not deny the Sonship of Christ.

How can God be a Father is the claim of Mohammed: as far as he is concerned God must have a wife to be a Father.


So, you can see that you have been misled by those who quote half scriptures to you.

If Mohammed fulfills 70% of these characteristics (in the scripture), we may take him seriously but failing almost 100%?!
Mind you, I have only used the scriptures you gave me.

READ THIS WITH OPEN MIND SIR




    To understand the prophecies made by Jesus on the subject, one has to begin with the First Epistle of John, Chapter 2, Verse 1. Here, Jesus Christ is called a "Paraclete" (Parakletos, Advocate, Comforter, Helper) by apostle John. The same term "Paraclete" is used by the apostle in his Gospel, in connection with a portentous prophecy made by Jesus Christ, before the end of his ministry upon this earth, for the coming of "another Paraclete". Prophet Moses also made a similar prophecy, before the end of his ministry, for the coming of his successor. Jesus Christ declared;

"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you into the age (to come)." 
John 14:16

Note: We often read the verse ending as; "with you for ever". However; "into the age" is the literal translation of the Greek phrase; `eis ton aiona', used by John.


These two verses by John clearly demonstrate that Jesus Christ, while speaking of "another Paraclete", was speaking of the coming of "another male figure" like himself, some time in the future, after his departure. The passage quoted below also confirms that the original concept among the noted Christian scholars and populace, for the "Paraclete" was for the coming of a "male figure", but that concept was later confused with the "Holy Spirit". Here is an extract from the world renowned and distinguished Anchor Bible Volume 29A:


"The word parakletos is peculiar in the NT to the Johnannine literature. In 1John ii1 Jesus is a parakletos (not a title), serving as a heavenly intercessor with the Father. ...Christian tradition has identified this figure (Paraclete) as the Holy Spirit, but scholars like Spitta, Delafosse, Windisch, Sasse, Butlmann and Betz have doubted whether this identification is true to the original picture and have suggested that the Paraclete was once an independent salvific figure, later confused with the Holy Spirit." (page 1135).


The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ, besides being a "Messiah" was also a prophet like Moses, by his own admission. Please see John 5:46 and 9:17. Hence to say that the coming of "another Paraclete" was similar to the coming of "another Prophet" like Jesus and Moses, would not be inaccurate. OTOH, the concept of "Holy Spirit" is unequivocally negated by the following verse:

"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Paraclete shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." [/b]John 16:7


This verse clearly tells us that the coming of the Paraclete was subject to the departure of Jesus. Whereas, the "Holy Spirit" was already present. It was in existence since the day of the Creation and was hovering upon the surface of the earth (Genesis 1:2). It was also present with the prophets of the Old Testament. The "Holy Spirit" happened to be present at River Jordan when Jesus Christ was being Baptised by John the Baptist, in the early part of his ministry. So, how could Jesus say; [b]"but if I go, I will send Holy Spirit"?



"When the Paraclete comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness of me." John 15:26


This above verse clears the confusion. The Paraclete is called the "Spirit of Truth" and not the "Holy Spirit". These are two separate terms and two independent entities. The first takes the pronoun "he" being a male figure, whereas, the second one takes the pronoun "it".

"But the Paraclete, the Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:26


Note: 
1. In the older MSS, Codex Syriacus discovered in 1812 on Mount Sinai by Mrs.Agnes S. Lewis (and Mrs. Bensley), the text of 14:26 reads; "Paraclete, the Spirit"; and not "Paraclete, the Holy Spirit". "The Spirit" is a reference to "the Spirit of Truth" as in 15:26.

2. The word spirit, Greek. `pneu'ma', is of neutral gender and takes pronoun "it". Whereas, in almost all the verses referring to Paraclete quoted above and below, the pronoun used is "he".

3. In 1 John 4:6, the terms "the spirit of truth" and "the spirit of error" are used for the human beings.

4. History records that prophet Muhammad was known for his Truth and Honesty, long before he received the Revelations.

Jesus Christ did indicate what the Paraclete to come will do in his time. Did prophet Muhammad do those things? Let's examine;

1. "But when he, the Spirit of Truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak..." Jn.16:13

Note: The Quran is a compilation of the "Divine Revelations" that were received by prophet Muhammad, over a period of 23 years, through the arch angel Gabriel. The prophet used to recite whatever he used to hear. Prophet's companions used to write down whatever was recited. The Quran does not contain the writings or teachings of or by Muhammad, as often mentioned by some misinformed authors.

2. "He shall glorify me." John 16:14

Note: The Quran glorifies the birth of Jesus through Virgin Mary. The Quran also confirms, Jesus was a Messiah; a Messenger of God; the Spirit from God; the Word of God and the Righteous Prophet.

3. "He shall take mine and shall disclose it to you." Jn.16:14

Note: Muhammad did declare himself a Messenger of God like Abraham, Moses and Jesus.

4. "He will teach you all things." John 14:26

Note: The Quran teaches a way of life. It guides mankind, how to live a pious life socially, politically and spiritually.

5. "He will bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." Jn.14:26

Note: The Quran speaks about the teaching of the righteous Jesus and even quotes him.

6. "He will bear witness of me" John 15:26

Note: The Quran attests the miracles performed by Jesus the Messiah. It also mentions one astonishing miracle performed by Jesus that the Gospel writers have not recorded. The Quran acknowledges that these miracles and signs were performed with the leave of Allah, by His righteous Servant and Messiah Jesus. The same is also attested in the Book of Acts 2:22; 3:13 (NASB).

Prophet Isaiah is considered to be one of the major prophets of the Old Testament. In the Book of Isaiah there are several prophecies about the coming of the Messiah. In chapter 42, Isaiah begins with a prophecy for the coming of prophet Jesus. After verse number nine, God declares through Isaiah, the "new things" that are to "spring forth" in the Land of Kedar.

In the Bible there is only one personality called Kedar. He was the grandson of prophet Abraham, through his son Ishmael (see Gen.25:13). Kedar's descendants had settled in Paran (Syno-Arabian dessert). In the Rabbinic literature Arabia is called the "Land of Kedar". Prophet Muhammad was a descendant of Kedar.

God declares through Isaiah;

"Behold, the former things are come to pass, and the new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. `Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth'. Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voices, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare His praise in the inlands." Chapter 42, Verses 9-12.

God did reveal in the Land of Kedar, through prophet Muhammad - a direct descendant of Kedar, a "New Song" - The Qur'an (Koran). This happens to be the only Scripture to be revealed in the language of the Kedarites. The verses of the Qur'an are recited like a poem. Nearly 1.2 billion Muslims, residing all over the world, recite this "new song" and Glorify Allah, in their daily prayers, five times in a day. The initial Revelation came to prophet Muhammad in a cave of Mount Hira near the city of Mecca. There are several mountains near Mecca. During the annual Islamic Pilgrimage called "Hajj", Muslims from all over the world, assemble in Mecca and shout Glory to the Lord from the top of Mount Arafat. The pilgrims continuously give Glory to Allah on their ways, to and from Mecca.

"The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies." Verse 13.

In the Old Testament the God often speaks "I" will do this, or "I" have done this; whereas, He has chosen human beings like us, to do these jobs. (see 2 Samuel 12:7-12). Muhammad did go forth as a mighty prophet of Allah, did stir up jealousy among the most influential and dominating tribe of the pagan Arabs in Arabia. Finally with a war cry and roar, Muhammad did prevail upon the enemies of Lord - the idolaters, fulfilling the above prophecy.

"I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself, now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once." Verse 14.

The prophets that came before Muhammad had all tried with peaceful missions. But, the concept of sharing God's Glory continued to surface again and again, in one way or other. It was with the war cry, through the descendants of Kedar (Arabs), these sinful practices were destroyed and devoured, inside and outside of Arabia. The spread of Islam was swift, wide spread and at once.

"And I will bring the blind by a way they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known; I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things I will do unto them, and not forsake them." Verse 16.

It is an undeniable fact that before the advent of Islam, the pagan Arabs were like the blinds. Their religious and social concepts were crooked. The revelation of this "new song" brought them out of that darkness. Earlier, God had not sent any prophet to these people. By sending Muhammad, God fulfilled His above promise and also the following promise to Abraham;

"And also of the son of the bondwoman I will make a nation, because he is thy seed." Genesis 21:13.

Please note the word "also" in above promise. The nations of Judaism and Christianity came out from the descendants of Abraham and Sarah. The nation of Islam came out from the descendants of Abraham and Hagar. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are three children of Abraham by God's Covenants with Abraham.

This also fulfils the following prophecy by Jesus;

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but what soever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you thing to come." John 16:13

For further details about "the Paraclete" and "the Spirit of Truth" please see Section 1 of this article.

"They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images; they say to the molten images, `Ye are our gods.'" Isaiah 42 Verse 17.

History records that Prophet Muhammad did put the pagan idolaters to great shame when he demolished before them, their 365 idols that were installed in Ka'bah (Mecca), the most respected place of pilgrimage in the whole of Arabia. Today, Ka'bah is the Grand Mosque of Islam. Muslims from all over the world face towards Ka'bah while reciting their daily ritual prayers.‎

Read this pls with open mind



To understand the prophecies made by Jesus on the subject, one has to begin with the First Epistle of John, Chapter 2, Verse 1. Here, Jesus Christ is called a "Paraclete" (Parakletos, Advocate, Comforter, Helper) by apostle John. The same term "Paraclete" is used by the apostle in his Gospel, in connection with a portentous prophecy made by Jesus Christ, before the end of his ministry upon this earth, for the coming of "another Paraclete". Prophet Moses also made a similar prophecy, before the end of his ministry, for the coming of his successor. Jesus Christ declared;

"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you into the age (to come)." 
John 14:16

Note: We often read the verse ending as; "with you for ever". However; "into the age" is the literal translation of the Greek phrase; `eis ton aiona', used by John.


These two verses by John clearly demonstrate that Jesus Christ, while speaking of "another Paraclete", was speaking of the coming of "another male figure" like himself, some time in the future, after his departure. The passage quoted below also confirms that the original concept among the noted Christian scholars and populace, for the "Paraclete" was for the coming of a "male figure", but that concept was later confused with the "Holy Spirit". Here is an extract from the world renowned and distinguished Anchor Bible Volume 29A:


"The word parakletos is peculiar in the NT to the Johnannine literature. In 1John ii1 Jesus is a parakletos (not a title), serving as a heavenly intercessor with the Father. ...Christian tradition has identified this figure (Paraclete) as the Holy Spirit, but scholars like Spitta, Delafosse, Windisch, Sasse, Butlmann and Betz have doubted whether this identification is true to the original picture and have suggested that the Paraclete was once an independent salvific figure, later confused with the Holy Spirit." (page 1135).


The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ, besides being a "Messiah" was also a prophet like Moses, by his own admission. Please see John 5:46 and 9:17. Hence to say that the coming of "another Paraclete" was similar to the coming of "another Prophet" like Jesus and Moses, would not be inaccurate. OTOH, the concept of "Holy Spirit" is unequivocally negated by the following verse:

"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Paraclete shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." John 16:7


This verse clearly tells us that the coming of the Paraclete was subject to the departure of Jesus. Whereas, the "Holy Spirit" was already present. It was in existence since the day of the Creation and was hovering upon the surface of the earth (Genesis 1:2). It was also present with the prophets of the Old Testament. The "Holy Spirit" happened to be present at River Jordan when Jesus Christ was being Baptised by John the Baptist, in the early part of his ministry. So, how could Jesus say; "but if I go, I will send Holy Spirit"?



"When the Paraclete comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness of me." John 15:26


This above verse clears the confusion. The Paraclete is called the "Spirit of Truth" and not the "Holy Spirit". These are two separate terms and two independent entities. The first takes the pronoun "he" being a male figure, whereas, the second one takes the pronoun "it".

"But the Paraclete, the Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:26


Note: 
1. In the older MSS, Codex Syriacus discovered in 1812 on Mount Sinai by Mrs.Agnes S. Lewis (and Mrs. Bensley), the text of 14:26 reads; "Paraclete, the Spirit"; and not "Paraclete, the Holy Spirit". "The Spirit" is a reference to "the Spirit of Truth" as in 15:26.

2. The word spirit, Greek. `pneu'ma', is of neutral gender and takes pronoun "it". Whereas, in almost all the verses referring to Paraclete quoted above and below, the pronoun used is "he".

3. In 1 John 4:6, the terms "the spirit of truth" and "the spirit of error" are used for the human beings.

4. History records that prophet Muhammad was known for his Truth and Honesty, long before he received the Revelations.

Jesus Christ did indicate what the Paraclete to come will do in his time. Did prophet Muhammad do those things? Let's examine;

1. "But when he, the Spirit of Truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak..." Jn.16:13

Note: The Quran is a compilation of the "Divine Revelations" that were received by prophet Muhammad, over a period of 23 years, through the arch angel Gabriel. The prophet used to recite whatever he used to hear. Prophet's companions used to write down whatever was recited. The Quran does not contain the writings or teachings of or by Muhammad, as often mentioned by some misinformed authors.

2. "He shall glorify me." John 16:14

Note: The Quran glorifies the birth of Jesus through Virgin Mary. The Quran also confirms, Jesus was a Messiah; a Messenger of God; the Spirit from God; the Word of God and the Righteous Prophet.

3. "He shall take mine and shall disclose it to you." Jn.16:14

Note: Muhammad did declare himself a Messenger of God like Abraham, Moses and Jesus.

4. "He will teach you all things." John 14:26

Note: The Quran teaches a way of life. It guides mankind, how to live a pious life socially, politically and spiritually.

5. "He will bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." Jn.14:26

Note: The Quran speaks about the teaching of the righteous Jesus and even quotes him.

6. "He will bear witness of me" John 15:26

Note: The Quran attests the miracles performed by Jesus the Messiah. It also mentions one astonishing miracle performed by Jesus that the Gospel writers have not recorded. The Quran acknowledges that these miracles and signs were performed with the leave of Allah, by His righteous Servant and Messiah Jesus. The same is also attested in the Book of Acts 2:22; 3:13 (NASB).

Prophet Isaiah is considered to be one of the major prophets of the Old Testament. In the Book of Isaiah there are several prophecies about the coming of the Messiah. In chapter 42, Isaiah begins with a prophecy for the coming of prophet Jesus. After verse number nine, God declares through Isaiah, the "new things" that are to "spring forth" in the Land of Kedar.

In the Bible there is only one personality called Kedar. He was the grandson of prophet Abraham, through his son Ishmael (see Gen.25:13). Kedar's descendants had settled in Paran (Syno-Arabian dessert). In the Rabbinic literature Arabia is called the "Land of Kedar". Prophet Muhammad was a descendant of Kedar.

God declares through Isaiah;

"Behold, the former things are come to pass, and the new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. `Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth'. Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voices, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare His praise in the inlands." Chapter 42, Verses 9-12.

God did reveal in the Land of Kedar, through prophet Muhammad - a direct descendant of Kedar, a "New Song" - The Qur'an (Koran). This happens to be the only Scripture to be revealed in the language of the Kedarites. The verses of the Qur'an are recited like a poem. Nearly 1.2 billion Muslims, residing all over the world, recite this "new song" and Glorify Allah, in their daily prayers, five times in a day. The initial Revelation came to prophet Muhammad in a cave of Mount Hira near the city of Mecca. There are several mountains near Mecca. During the annual Islamic Pilgrimage called "Hajj", Muslims from all over the world, assemble in Mecca and shout Glory to the Lord from the top of Mount Arafat. The pilgrims continuously give Glory to Allah on their ways, to and from Mecca.

"The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies." Verse 13.

In the Old Testament the God often speaks "I" will do this, or "I" have done this; whereas, He has chosen human beings like us, to do these jobs. (see 2 Samuel 12:7-12). Muhammad did go forth as a mighty prophet of Allah, did stir up jealousy among the most influential and dominating tribe of the pagan Arabs in Arabia. Finally with a war cry and roar, Muhammad did prevail upon the enemies of Lord - the idolaters, fulfilling the above prophecy.

"I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself, now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once." Verse 14.

The prophets that came before Muhammad had all tried with peaceful missions. But, the concept of sharing God's Glory continued to surface again and again, in one way or other. It was with the war cry, through the descendants of Kedar (Arabs), these sinful practices were destroyed and devoured, inside and outside of Arabia. The spread of Islam was swift, wide spread and at once.

"And I will bring the blind by a way they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known; I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things I will do unto them, and not forsake them." Verse 16.

It is an undeniable fact that before the advent of Islam, the pagan Arabs were like the blinds. Their religious and social concepts were crooked. The revelation of this "new song" brought them out of that darkness. Earlier, God had not sent any prophet to these people. By sending Muhammad, God fulfilled His above promise and also the following promise to Abraham;

"And also of the son of the bondwoman I will make a nation, because he is thy seed." Genesis 21:13.

Please note the word "also" in above promise. The nations of Judaism and Christianity came out from the descendants of Abraham and Sarah. The nation of Islam came out from the descendants of Abraham and Hagar. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are three children of Abraham by God's Covenants with Abraham.

This also fulfils the following prophecy by Jesus;

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but what soever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you thing to come." John 16:13

For further details about "the Paraclete" and "the Spirit of Truth" please see Section 1 of this article.

"They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images; they say to the molten images, `Ye are our gods.'" Isaiah 42 Verse 17.

History records that Prophet Muhammad did put the pagan idolaters to great shame when he demolished before them, their 365 idols that were installed in Ka'bah (Mecca), the most respected place of pilgrimage in the whole of Arabia. Today, Ka'bah is the Grand Mosque of Islam. Muslims from all over the world face towards Ka'bah while reciting their daily ritual prayers.‎

[quote author=Originakalokalo post=61523456]He is IS YOU.

Mohammed didn't teach us all things

He did in his

Mohammed did not remind me what Jesus has taught me.

He did

Mohammed is not IN ME

U didn't let him

The world knows Mohammed.

When he started preaching islam he was not known and till date some don't know him

Mohammed is not a Spirit

Yes he's not. but he habours the spirit of truth jst jesus(pbuh) him habours d holy spirit

Mohammed did not glorify Jesus.

He did

Everything about the holy Spirit has nothing to do with Mohammed.
Because he is the spirit of truth

Pls Spirit of truth and holy spirit are different entities entirely


ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

DoctorAlien:
So Mohammed is the Holy Spirit?

How many people did Mohammed comfort? Those he murdered or robbed?

I didn't bring it frm d Quran. I brought it out frm d bible for u to c

spirit of truth not holy spirit


Pls list dem


And if u don't mind I want to sleep

Originakalokalo:
No. I don't.

Gimme a reference.

"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you into the age (to come)." 
John 14:16



"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Paraclete shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." John 16:7


"When the Paraclete comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness of me." John 15:26



"But the Paraclete, the Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:26



I also have d explanation if u still desire me to further it break down

Nepa jst brought light and I jst found it



"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you into the age (to come)." 
John 14:16



"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Paraclete shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." John 16:7


"When the Paraclete comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness of me." John 15:26



"But the Paraclete, the Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:26


Cc shadeyinka analice107

I also have d explanation if u still desire me to further it break down


Goodnight

John 16:7 i will post d remaning verses wen i search for my bible either b4 or after i come back frm skul 2mrrw

shadeyinka:
I understand.
Unfortunately, no Muslim can provide satisfactory answers because any answer you give raises objections to the validity of the Qur'an's statements.

Now for your insinuation about Prophecies about Mohammed in the Bible, I will like to see it.

Thanks

analice107:
How old are you?

18yrs old

I will show d particular verse dat jesus himself prophesied it if u are curious

shadeyinka:
Capital No!
Except as an Antichrist if we microscopically look at it.

But please answer the rest of my questions then we can discuss this if you want from the scriptures

I don't have. The answers
Nd nepa is f**king up

shadeyinka:
Questions for you please.
1. Would you say Allah deceived the Jews and the Romans? If Yes, why do you think Allah also deceived Mary, the Disciples and all Christians?
I don't knw y. I'm not God
Evasive answer: the Qur'an says it was made to look like Jesus was crucified (by no other person than Allah). Maybe it was shaitan? It certainly wasn't the Jews, the Romans ,nor the Christians

2. Historically, someone was crucified as Jesus Christ. The Bible says that the Person was Jesus but Islam says it was someone else. Can you please tell us the identity of the person?

I'm not sure but I think it shuld b judas iscariot u can Google it

Google for an answer to the question that the almighty Quran cannot answer?

3. This person on the cross spoke to Mary (His Mother) and John (His Disciple). He actually called Mary "Mother" and handed Mary over to John. If it wasn't Jesus, who was he?
Judas iscariot

Suddenly, Google gave you the answer as Judas.
We know how Judas died!
He hung himself and his stomach bust when they cut him down. The disciples replaced Judas with Matthias.

And Judas the betrayer had the business of telling John to take care of Jesus mother? Where was Jesus?

Allah must have completely deceived both Mary and John

4. The disciples of Jesus saw Jesus after the resurrection and because of that, they were not Afraid any more. Who did they see after resurrection (or did Allah complete their deception by showing them another Jesus?
Jesus
Oh, they saw Jesus after the episode of the crucification and still went ahead to inform everybody that Jesus was crucified naked on the cross. Oh, I see, they were hiding Jesus from a second crucification and instead they died violent deaths for a message of christ crucification and resurrection?


5. The disciples numbering up to 500 saw Jesus being taken up to heaven in their presence. Islam agree he was taken to heaven but can you please tell us one witness of this assertion?
ALLAH and the Quran
See your lies.
Say you don't know.
What an answer! Write that in your exam and see what you will score

What is 21+12=?
Answer=ALLAH and the Quran knows


6. All the disciples except John died violent deaths (eg. Peter was crucified up side down). Why do you think the disciples were willing to die gruesome deaths over what doesn't exist.
did I say jesus didn't exist?
Over a story that doesn't exist? Why would they choose to die over lies and fabrications?

7. And Jesus didn't tell any of His disciples that someone else who looked like Him would be crucified in His stead: Why?
Prehaps he didn't bcoz he isn't d omini knowest
And Allah didn't know that this will cause confusion amongst Jesus Disciples?



8. Why would the disciples lie about Jesus crucification? What do they stand to gain (forget about the drawings you see, a person is crucified stark Unclad in the public square)
Becoz dey didn't knw it wasn't him
-And they couldn't recognize Judas when they see him
-And Mary couldnt recognize her son
-And John couldn't recognize his Master Jesus
-And when they later saw Jesus, Jesus still pretended that He was the one crucified
-And Jesus had on Himself the marks of crucification (Thomas had to put his fingers in those holes made by nails)



9. Jesus told his disciples about his death and resurrection well before hand. Why would someone now replace Him and He didn't even tell any of His disciples.
dat I can't answer
So Jesus was joking?

If you deny a truth, you must be ready to give the correct version of the story without holes.

Waiting for your battery to come up for the second part of your answer. I am sure you know that your attempts are extremely lame!

I answer what I have knowledge about
I don't lie jst to answer what I don't know
If d answers are not ok for then so be it





And for ur information the coming of prophet. Muhammad (SAW)was.prophesied in d bible? Yes or No

shadeyinka:
Since your deliberate misinformation has been exposed, its only fair if you answer my own questions which you have repeatedly ignored.
Since you are not seeing the questions for the first time, you must have had a long time to prepare.


Questions for you please.
1. Would you say Allah deceived the Jews and the Romans? If Yes, why do you think Allah also deceived Mary, the Disciples and all Christians?

I don't knw y. I'm not God

2. Historically, someone was crucified as Jesus Christ. The Bible says that the Person was Jesus but Islam says it was someone else. Can you please tell us the identity of the person?

I'm not sure but I think it shuld b judas iscariot u can Google it

3. This person on the cross spoke to Mary (His Mother) and John (His Disciple). He actually called Mary "Mother" and handed Mary over to John. If it wasn't Jesus, who was he?

Judas iscariot

4. The disciples of Jesus saw Jesus after the resurrection and because of that, they were not Afraid any more. Who did they see after resurrection (or did Allah complete their deception by showing them another Jesus?

Jesus

5. The disciples numbering up to 500 saw Jesus being taken up to heaven in their presence. Islam agree he was taken to heaven but can you please tell us one witness of this assertion?

ALLAH and the Quran

6. All the disciples except John died violent deaths (eg. Peter was crucified up side down). Why do you think the disciples were willing to die gruesome deaths over what doesn't exist.

did I say jesus didn't exist?

7. And Jesus didn't tell any of His disciples that someone else who looked like Him would be crucified in His stead: Why?

Prehaps he didn't bcoz he isn't d omini knowest

8. Why would the disciples lie about Jesus crucification? What do they stand to gain (forget about the drawings you see, a person is crucified stark Unclad in the public square)

Becoz dey didn't knw it wasn't him

9. Jesus told his disciples about his death and resurrection well before hand. Why would someone now replace Him and He didn't even tell any of His disciples.

dat I can't answer



To be continued battery low

enilove:
What a religion.

Whan making love to your wife satan would be there because you are naked but satan would not be there when a muslim is robbing people and also when they are sleeping with another persons wife or husband.

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 579:
Bukhari
Narrated Abu Dharr:

The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."

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Sir that hadith is explaining the importance of worshipping Allah without associating. Him wiith a partner is showing how Allah Values loyalty in worship and he is not encouraging sin

Ioseph:
F4CK Zakir Naik! He's a disgusting Salafi DOG!

This man preaches the most revolting, most intolerant and most backwards concepts of Islam on planet earth. He has threatened multiculturalism with his Islamic Chauvinism in Malaysia and has been outright banned in the UK. Numerous recent terrorist attackers in Europe were found to be avid online followers of Zakir Naik.

THIS GUY DEFENDS SUICIDE BOMBING, THE DESTRUCTION ON DEMOCRACY AND SEX SLAVERY.

I can't believe there are Muslims on Nairaland who are unabashed fcking ZAKIR NAIK FOLLOWERS. BAN THESE PEOPLE SEUN

do you have to insult

Unfortunately for u d op is a muslim

Originakalokalo:
Ok.

John 20 vs 28.

ok now I see d reason y u. R worshipping but it's wrong to do dat



But do you knw that the bible prophesied d comming of prophet muhammad(SAW)

yanshDoctor:
Islam is a terror.



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first of all I will like to correct ur impression about islam

Bokoharam ISIS etc are headed by d government u can Google it up


D word Islam is derived from salaam (peace)

Please Keep the questions coming for those who have questions to ask

Pls I urge every non muslim and muslims to watch this pls

It might be your salvation

Pls watch with open mind

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=56s&v=T5ZlSSOhbzQ