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DeepSight:
Needless to say, you support such.
Obviously you don't want peace.

Speaking about peace, I haven't seen you condemn the public execution of Palestinians in Gaza by Hamas. You haven't even created a post about the killing of 2 IDF soldiers with RPG by Hamas beyond the yellow line in an attempt to derail the ceasefire. Hamas also said it's not going to disarm. Israel should proceed to annex the entire area, from Gaza to Judea and Samaria.

budaatum:
Do you mean this one as reported by the Guardian, which does includes a video?

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2025/sep/08/six-people-killed-in-jerusalem-shooting-video

Nice. 2 gunmen . 2 Palestinians would have been a more accurate report. Like I told the other guy, no one has the monopoly of violence and radicalism.

DeepSight:
You can't try to rob a man and sermonize what terms he should accept in your robbery.

Unbiased1, you are biased.

Now, what do you say about the Israeli plan to annex the West Bank.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/as-he-departs-israel-vance-says-knesset-vote-on-annexing-west-bank-was-very-stupid/

"Israel's plan to annex Judea and Samaria which is historic Jewish homeland."

DeepSight:
Tctrills/ Kukutente23/ Unbiased1

Lol. Why are you showing me? The Guardian UK has spent the last 2 years demonizing Israel on all their Social Media platforms. Why didn't they show the video of the Palestinian who opened fire on a bus in Jerusalem killing some Jewish people in the process? Why didn't they show the video of the Palestinian who rammed a coach bus in a crowd of people at the bus stop in Tel Aviv earlier this year?
Bro, nobody has the monopoly of violence and radicalism. Just as Palestinians continue to get radicalised and kill Jews, the Jews also have people who will get radicalised and kill Palestinians in turn. At the end, it boils down to who has the larger gun. If Palestinians had accepted their independence in 1937 or 1947, we wouldn't be here today talking about this.

DeepSight:
I hope you realise that original Jews and Arabs are basically cousins and both Semitic peoples.

Lol. And so what? Many ethnicities in the Middle East are cousins but that has not stopped the Houthis from starting a war in Yemen that has killed over 300k people, it did not stop the war in Syria that killed over 500k people, it did not stop the Palestinian leader from going to Adolf Hitler to beg him to come and wipe out the Jews during WWII etc. I can go on and on.

DeepSight:
If you can show me where I have ever said Jew were not indigenous, I will be happy. European Zionist replacement Jews cannot be proven to be indigenous - that one we all know. Thats why you run away from the word Ashkenazi. Netanyahu, is a Polish man with a Polish name who only changed his name to appear Jewish. So are most Zionists from everywhere including Argentina. And Netanyahu says there will NEVER be a Palestinian State. This is the leader of the country you say is always ready to make compromises. Also you know very well that the settling in the West Bank didnt start today. And the mission has been clear - to ensure that there will be no Palestian place whatsoever. Same with Gaza.

Its a great pity that anyone who saw what the Afrikaner Dutch did in South Africa (same strategy of banishing blacks to tiny tibelands and taking everything for themselves - which is why up till today they own over 70 per cent of the land) - can support what Europeans are doing to Arabs. Its a real pity. Especially for black men like you to support it.

I repeat: they called the ANC and Mandela terrorists. I repeat, the USA left Mandela on its terrorist watch list till 2008 even after he had been president and left for ten years. Black men will never learn.

Your focus on Ashkenazi Jews is ridiculous because a lot of Jews in Israel today are Mizrahi Jews who have always lived in the Middle East. And speaking of AMC and Mandela, Mandela for the rights of the black people of South Africa. If you say he isn't a terrorist, that's acceptable. Hamas fought to erase the Jewish people not for a two-state solution. Hamas remains a terrorist group.

As for Netanyahu saying there won't be a Palestinian state, it's a yes and no situation for me. As long the mission of the Palestinians is to kill Jews and destroy Israel, I urge Israel to ensure that Palestine gets erased completely, including Gaza. Let those Arabs return to Saudi Arabia where they initially migrated to. In the meantime, the proposal by Trump includes the removal of Hamas from government, a total reform of the Palestinian Authority and 100% reform of the Palestinian education sector. If the Palestinians can maintain peace with Israel for at least 20 years, then I may support their independence on whatever piece of land is left for them. They brought this hardship on themselves and must face the full consequences of their actions. Remember that Palestine would have been a state 77 years ago if the Arabs were less foolish.

DeepSight:
So you see the point? Just dont try to use euphemisms like "supplant" when you know the ancient world was full of conquest. That is intellectual dishonesty and and shows your terrible bias.

I have heard Caucasians saying that they only settled in America when the truth is that they conquered it and aggressively exterminated its native population.

Will you say today those Caucasians should leave? I keep asking you this and your silence is one of the hints that for you, white conquest of others is okay.

My own point remains that after 1, 300 years in the area NO ONE can say Arabs are not indigenous as well.

Rather you will say Jews were there before as if they didnt brutally wipe out the Cannanites there as well!

What was the offense of the people in Jericho?

Jerusalem nko that David took, were there not others there before? Did he go to beg them and purchase it amicably?

2 Sam 5:6-10 - David captured Jerusalem from the fiercely independent Canaanite tribe of Jebusites in c. 1004BC.

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Lol. Now we are getting to the point I love. We now both agree that both parties are indigenous to the land. Can you remember one of my responses to you where I spoke about compromise? The Jews where ready to compromise to share that land with the Arabs despite having a greater connection to the land. The Arabs on the other hand choose war to exterminate the Jews. The only reason why there is no Palestinian state today is because the Palestinians were more interested in destroying the Jews and the only Jewish state in the world than getting their own independence. Do you know how many people would have gotten their independence if they got the same opportunities those savages in Palestine got from 1937 - 2008?

DeepSight:
Unbiased1 why do you say Jews "supplanted" Canaanites? Can you see? That a euphemism for conquest and extermination.

E.g: Jericho.

Same way white Americans will talk about Native Americans when the truth is they exterminated them.

Didn't Arabs conquer the land before becoming majority? Wasn't it an act of conquest for the Arabs to build their Islamic Dome on the Rock on the foundation of the Temple Mount? Which empire after the fall of the Kingdom of Israel didn't try to exterminate the Jews? The Romans even went as far as renaming the land to a useless godforsaken name called Syria Palestina.

DeepSight:
1. One mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Also it's unfortunate that some of you have allowed the West and it's allies to appropriate the word terrorist, such that they can describe their enemies as terrorists at will and you will agree. Whereas they do far worse things and you will never describe them as terrorists. I haven't heard you ever describe King Leopold of Belgium as a Terrorist for example. I haven't heard you describe Blair and Bush as terrorists for all the crimes they committed in Iraq through telling lies about weapons of mass destruction which never existed. I haven't heard you describe the CIA as terrorists regardless of the amount of people they have murdered around the world. I haven't heard you describe the apartheid government of South Africa as terrorists. I haven't heard you describe the many imperialist mass murderer governments of Europe which killed millions around the world to steal their lands as terrorists. Yet this same West labelled Nelson Mandela a terrorist and I have not heard you question that. You simply agree with whoever they label a terrorist and that's that. Armed resistance is not terrorism but you seem to think only the West and their allies have the right to this. Do you know what this is? It is simply slavery of the mind to white skin.

2. Every single offer of peace to Palestine has been unjust. And they are a people with a spine so they don't just jump at any offer. No one would do to white men what has been done to them and white men would jump at any offer. They would fight and die to the last man to insist on their full rights and even to steal other people's lands and no one would call them terrorists.

As for a place being the Jewish homeland, I have explained to you in detail how movement of people is fluid. Arabs cannot dominate a place for over a millennium and you keep insisting it's not their home as well. That's not the way demographics work.

I even gave you a table from the Jewish Virtual Library showing you the population of Jews there through various key points, and that concluded the point. You never responded to it.

It is absurd that you don't contest America being Caucasian homeland even when they have not been there for up to half the time Arabs have been in Palestine, but you contest the rights of Arabs in Palestine.

Furthermore it is most absurd to think that the Jewish population which returned from Europe remained the same of of 2000 years ago. That is biologically and genetically impossible in human interactions.

You said I haven't called all those people and groups you mentioned terrorists. Well, remind me of our topic of discussion. Last time I checked, we were talking about Israel and Palestine not Belgium and CIA. The fact remains that calling those guys terrorists doesn't absolve Hamas of also being a terrorist.

DeepSight:
1. Do Terrorist Groups contest elections.

2. There will be no end to the Palestinian struggle until Palestine is free. Nothing else can end it. This is what history teaches us. Situations of slavery, colonization and other unjust scenarios are simply unsustainable no matter how long they last.

Yes, terrorist groups contest elections and when they win, they cancel all future elections so they can remain in power. Hamas and Hezbollah have both contested for elections in Gaza and Lebanon respectively and we know what happened after they got their members in government.

Yeah there will be no end to the Palestinian struggle until Palestine is free. Let me remind you that Palestine could have been freed in 1937 during the Peel Accords, 1947 based on the UN partition plan, 1948 after the Jews declared their own independence, anytime between 1948 - 1967 when they were occupied by their own Arab brothers, Camp David Summit organised by Bill Clinton and 2008 meeting organised by the Prime Minister of Israel. The Palestinians rejected all these opportunities. The only reason Palestine is not a country today is because their hatred for Jews and their quest to kill Jews is greater than their need for an independent country. Unfortunately for them, the current Israeli Government is not the type that wants to be politically correct like their counterparts in the West. The current Israeli government is ready to take over more than 60% of Judea and Samaria as that area is historic Jewish homeland. The only areas that will be part of a future Palestinian state will be Gaza and Area A of the Judea and Samaria, nothing more, and God help them if another war doesn't breakout before then.

DeepSight:
Happiness at a ceasefire after so much slaughter is not to be mistaken for happiness with a deal that makes their enemies their rulers.
Also it is known that Israel is arming some rival gangs to cause mayhem. Just as it once armed Hamas itself.

Finally, rivalries within groups are not unusual.

IT IS RELIGIONISTS who fantasize on false and imaginary things. Such as Trump being the greatest president ever, and such as Jews being God's chosen people.

Also i dont know who can fail to see that a remaining blockade is still imperial enslavement.

There was no blockade of Gaza until Hamas unfortunately won that election in 2007. Israel and Egypt could not sit by and watch a terrorist group build itself at their borders. The blockade was necessary to prevent Hamas from getting weapons. Obviously Israel and Egypt failed miserably at that. The blockade will continue until Palestinians embrace peace and stop plotting to destroy Israel.

DeepSight:
The deal is nothing but the entrenchment of apartheid and represents enslavement.

Do you really see Trump as brave? Interesting.

This so cold deal is going to crumble soon.

Also Palestinians are not happy with it. No one is really.

Palestinians are not happy with the deal? This is really a major problem in the world today. People sit down in their comfort zone, manufacture fake events in their heads, and accept these events as reality. Tune in to Al-Jazeera live and see how Palestinians are celebrating like crazy. In some uncensored videos, you can hear Palestinians praising the US President while you leftist guys in your WhatsApp group are praying for the deal to fail. You guys never loved Palestinians and you never stood for humanity because if you guys did, you would have been happy with the ceasefire irrespective of who brought the deal. Hope you know that an anti-hamas militia group is currently hunting for Hamas members in the Gaza as we speak? A pro-hamas journalist was gunned down earlier today and more will go down in the coming days. The Palestinians are already turning against Hamas and the number will rise within the coming days. You guys in your leftist WhatsApp group can keep gloating over your fantasies while ignoring the reality in your faces. You described the deal as enslavement, I hope you will call on all the countries involved to pull out their funds in the deal meant to rebuild Gaza. I also think the deal forcing some countries to fund the rebuilding of Gaza is part of the enslavement.

DeepSight:
They have not fully accepted the deal, so far they only accepted the prisoner exchange.

How WILL a deal which hopes to result in "Trump and Blair Gaza" ever work. It will not. This is just temporary and hostilities will obviously resume.

It beats me how you can call TRUMP the greatest US president. Amazing. Where will you put the likes of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and FDR?

I hope you know that there are people in the Israeli parliament hoping for the 2nd phase to fail? If you read my post well, you would have seen were I pointed out what will befall Hamas and all of Gaza if Hamas drops the ball at any point especially after all the hostages have been released. As for your list of Great American Presidents, I'm happy you didn't include idiots like Joe Biden and Obama.

DeepSight:
Timing is key. The swiftness from no deal to a deal cannot be divorced from the changing mind of European Powers. Their recognition of Palestine is no joke. It was a huge move which changed every dynamic.

It is wrong to say Trump fears no one. He fears Putin for example. He fears Xi. He fears Kim. He is also known as a huge co/ward. For example he was a draft dodger who faked an injury to avoid going to the war front.

In the minds of too many people he is as bold as a lion but this is far from any truth. Same way many think he is a business genius and this is also the greatest falsehood in history. Many say he makes peace but this again is a huge falsehood. He actually creates injustice, racial hatred, instability and wars.

Most people who worship this man are terribly misguided mostly by religion and a belief in white supremacy. The terrible lies he tells with complete abandon are not seen as bad for them. His penchant for debauchery and abuse of women and minorities is remarkable. His childishness is beyond limit.

A rogue wishes to be considered the greatest man in history and I can tell you 90 per cent of African Christians are so unthinking that they will easily say he is greater than Mandela, Martin Luther King and probably every black creature on the surface of this Earth.

Lol. I see where you are coming from. You are not angry about the deal, you are just upset about the man behind the deal. Daft Joe Biden couldn't have put up such a deal that humiliates Hamas like this. The fool was too weak and made America look like a laughing stock. Now America has a leader who believes in Peace through Strength. Despite Brazil making noise and romancing with Bricks after Trump imposed tariffs on them, the Brazilian President, just 1 week ago, begged Trump to remove the tariffs through a video call. Call Trump whatever makes you happy, the fact on ground now is that both Israelis and Palestinians are happy about this deal and that's all that matters. And please, don't deceive yourself that Trump fears the leaders of Russia, China, and North Korea. Not even the South Korean President fears Kim neither does the Taiwanese President fear China's Xi talk less of Trump

DeepSight:
Do you see no corelation between the timing of 1 and the quick ceasefire almost immediately after?

The recognition of Palestine was a ceremonial waste of time. You and I know this.

DeepSight:
Examination Question.


For Supernatural Degree in Human Political Relations. Select from the options below.


Question: What has brought the ceasefire in Gaza.


Options (You may select more than one).


1. The recognition of the State of Palestine by European Powers.


2. The singular effort of the President of the United States.


3. The singular effort of the Prime Minister of Israel.


4. Global moral pressure.


5. The conscience of humanity.


6. The efforts of Arab Powers.


7. The IDF.


8. Hamas.


9. The efforts of scholars and thinkers.


10. The efforts of responsible journalists.


11. The flotilla.

12. The unique efforts of South Africa.

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Different factors brought about this beautiful ceasefire.

1) The IDF and The Israeli Government: The constant bombardment of Gaza and the destruction of the evil axis of terrorists by Israel made Hamas consistently call for a ceasefire, a ceasefire the right wing and even the Prime Minister of Israel never wanted. The Israeli Government stood strong against the whole world to fight for its safety (big thanks to the US for the veto votes at the UN). If Hamas and the Iranian Axis of Terror had the advantage in this war, they wouldn't be calling for a ceasefire.

2) Donald Trump: The biggest player who brought about this ceasefire was Donald Trump. For the first time, a beautiful proposal was brought forth by the greatest President of the US, Donald J Trump. The proposal completely ensured that Hamas was humiliated and also helped Israel accomplish all its goals of this war. Firstly, all the hostages have to be released, both those who are dead and alive. In the same period, Israeli troops are to withdraw to about 50% of Gaza and release about 2000 Palestinian prisoners. After this phase, Hamas must completely disarm and go on exile. Only after this will the Israeli troops completely withdraw from Gaza. Now this why I called the deal a beautiful one, all the Israeli hostages would have been released before the next phase of the deal which means that if Hamas decides not to lay down its arms and surrender/go on exile, Israeli troops will immediately resume the bombing of Gaza and this time around, there will be no hostages in Gaza to be worried about, it will simply be a Jet fighter carpet bombing campaign. Also note that even if Hamas lays down its arms and surrenders, the deal states clearly that the IDF will proceed to dismantle all the tunnel networks in Gaza. Can you see just how humiliating this deal was for Hamas? Billions of dollars wasted on weapons, tunnels, manpower etc all gone just like their terror senior colleagues Hezbollah . Just today at the Israeli parliament, Donald Trump reaffirmed the recognition of Jerusalem as the eternal capital of Israel. Not East Jerusalem or West Jerusalem, but the whole of Jerusalem because, like we argued earlier in the other thread, the division of Jerusalem into 2 is an abomination that should not be accepted by any Jew and persons with common sense. The Prime Minister of Israel also reaffirmed the recognition by Trump and the US, of Israel over the Golan Heights and Judea and Samaria.

3) The Arab League: These guys gave a huge middle finger to Hamas the moment they all agreed to Trump's deal. At that moment, Hamas became isolated. Even the European clowns in UK and France supported the deal. If Hamas had rejected it, the isolation it wanted for Israel would have also befallen it. With Qatar, UAE, Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc already in support, Hamas knew it was over for them.

God1000:
I prefer UN backed task force involving arab countries, but Israel won't allow it

Like the UN task force that was supposed to prevent Hezbollah from going beyond the Litani river and building a large arms depot at the border with Israel but looked away while Hezbollah did just that and even built a tunnel near the UN fence? You guys are always far from truth, reality and common sense. The same UN that has been chased out of multiple African countries because of how ineffective and useless their task force has been in sustaining peace in those countries.

wizzyvibes:
You are obviously paid. Everyday you just be showing us govt house road that is less than 3km. How do you expect the govt house road to look like? Or you dont think that other states govt house roads look like this?

Pls stop with the mediocrity already and show us better things abeg

Lol. This thread is filled with so much mediocrity already. You need to see how dey praise basic-looking projects here.

LoL. This is not the first time. After they work out, they will still go to YouTube to watch his speech to know what he has in store for Gaza. Israel must continue until all the hostages are released and Hamas has surrendered, period.

MyExpression:
So we can't have freedom of expression again?

Must we all love Kirk?!

People dislike who they dislike, and have a right to their feeling of gladness when their enemy dies, as long as they're not the cause.

Abacha died, and we all celebrated all through that night in the streets of lagos.
President Buhari died, and some Nigerians openly expressed their joy/hate even online.

Where's the funking freedom in America ffs!

If something like this happens to Reno Omokri, some people will still rejoice bout it.

You think if you were working for an Abacha loyalist and you come out openly to celebrate his death, you won't get fired? Sack and expulsion are part of the freedom. Just as you have the right to celebrate Charlie Kirk's death, the school has the right to say they don't want someone of your kind in their institution. If I am a student of UNILAG and I lead a protest against the school's management and insult the VC, will I be jailed? No, because I have the freedom and right to do that, but will I be expelled? Hell yeah.

Surprisingly, it's one of the most useless iPhone devices ever created.

DeepSight:
The Jews are 90 per cent the same as White Imperialist Masters being mostly actually European in every sense and where they are not, they are representatives of Western imperialism still.

It is remarkable that black men who white racists call baboons and savages can join white men to call other people savages. That is the actual irony you should look at.

I am no hypocrite. My disdain for religion is well known and I criticize and blast Christianity as much as I do Islam. I don't see the hypocrisy in that.

Let me respond to your short posts first while I prepare my response to your previous long post as well as to that of your WhatsApp friend. Please note that 48% - 61% of Jews in Israel are either full or mixed Mizrahi Jews who are the Jews that have been living in the Middle East. This is based on a researches carried out in 2005 and 2016 including the Pew Research.

DeepSight:
Look at the words you are using on an occupied people. "Lazy Goats".... "Pampered fools?"

Have you no conscience?

These are the sort of words your imperialist white masters will be happy to hear as they used them on all Africans including the oppressed South Africans during Apartheid. Nevermind that they called them terrorists too, while terrorizing them.

Lol. That dude is actually using kind words to describe the Palestinians. Palestinians are way worse. By the way, I have discovered that lots of people who responded to me have had their comments deleted by the moderators or bot. I would love to read your responses if you guys can comment again.

stuffs2002:
Stopped being brainwashed by CNN and BBC. You are only regurgitating what you have been fed with by western media

Iran has the second largest number of Jews in the world second only to Israel. All the jews in Iran are living and practising their religion peacefully without a single hinderance. Jews in Iran are even part of the Iranian government with some in the legislature.

Lol. What kind of nonsense talk is this? Israel and United States are homes to the largest Jewish population by a wide margin. Other countries that have a small Jewish population include France, Canada, Russia, UK and Argentina. Iran is not even in the list. You probably need to use Google sometimes before spreading misinformation.

DeepSight:
Alright, thank you for this. However, notwithstanding that you have said we should focus only on the historical, I must emphasize that it is crucial that the religious considerations are put away in this matter. This is because religion tends to be subjective and anyone can claim their God/ god or gods gave them any given set of promises or directives. I can wake up tomorrow and say I have heard from my God that the whole Earth is the inheritance of my descendants alone and that I am mandated to exterminate everyone else. This should not be invalid because afterall, Abraham was just one man like me - if his god could speak to him and make promises to him, so can mine. I don't want to go as far as to mention all of the barbaric genocidal injunctions given by Yahweh to the Jews in the Bible, but it is worth mentioning - to establish a pattern - to show that what is happening today is not new - and thus it is not just a question of Arabs being the problem.

Historically Jews have insisted that their blood thirsty pagan mountain deity called Yahweh has issued genocidal commands to them, and it is by means of these commands that they even came to posess the so called promised land. Therefore, let us stay well away from any such religious claims for all can play that game, as indeed the Arabs and Muslims also have, through history.



So here is what is at issue. Ownership of land is a delicate thing. The way land rights have always worked, it is simply impossible to deny the rights of an occupant who had dwelt in a place for centuries. Thus, the example of the Europeans in America I hitherto used. They travelled there, met Native Americans there - conquered them and virtually wiped them off the surface of the Earth through the gun and disease. Today, Europeans have held America for some three to four centuries. The time which has passed has bequeathed them what you may call a right of occupancy. Whether they came there justly or unjustly, the time which has passed is sufficient to render it legitimate that their descendants now dwell there rightly. Thus, even though a purist like myself may argue that if the Native Americans summon the will, the resources and the technology today and are able to push the "encroachers" out of America, it is right and fair, in all truth, too much time has passed.

In this same way, the history of the matter is that roughly two thousand years ago, the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and scattered the Jews into diaspora. They went into Persia but mostly into Europe where they suffered much persecution through the middle ages, the renaissance, the enlightenment and all the way through to the 20th century where they sufferred the holocaust.

In the intervening time, Islam had arisen in the 7th Century AD, and by the turn of the millenium the crusades had begun in which troupe after troupe of christian armies generation after generation sought to displace the Muslims from the "Holy Land." This went back and forth over a couple of centuries and the land would alternate between Islamic and Christian authority - all the time retaining a small Jewish population. I am sure you know of the great encounters between Richard the Lion Heart and Saladin. And too many more stories of that period. The long and short of it is that the presensce of Arabs in that land dates back at least one thousand years now.

And the argument I am making is that if European Americans can now consider North America their homeland after being there for a few centuries, how much more the Arabs who have been in Palestine for over a thousand years?

Now, moving on, by the time the second world war ended, I hope you know that the British had made promises to the Jews via Zionists that they would create a homeland for them in Palestine. At that time, the place was mostly occupied by Arabs like I said, for about a thousand years already. It is unreasonable to claim that it was not home to them. Besides, the European Jews who were returning had been so adulterated that one cannot really claim that they are necessarily of the same ancestry as the Israelites of old. Frankly, most of them today are noticeably white.

Nevertheless, they came back. What did you expect? Did you expect that the Arbas there would not resist? Of course they would. It is only natural. Just as if Native Americans make a come back today from tthe settlements they have been restricted to, to take up most of America, do you dare to think that the current European descendants who control that country will not fiercely resist them? Of course they will.

I have written a lot so far so let me just summarize: the point is that compromises must be made. Israel of today is a creation of the United Nations and that same United Nations has repeatedly said that the settlements in the West Bank are illegal. You keep referring to Palestinians as savages and that is absurd. It is not savage to fight to defend your land. Especially from an occupier who imposes apartheid restrictions on you the same way white people did to black people in apartheid South Africa.

You call them terrorists, but I hope you know the whites also called Nelson Mandela a terrorist? I hope you know the USA kept him on their terrorism watchlist up till 2008? What does that teach you? It shoudl teach you that those who resist European imperialism are routinely labelled terrorists - even when they are actually the victims of terrorism.

There is a historical reason both Ireland and South Africa stand solidly with Palestine - and it is because BOTH countries have experienced EXACTLY what Palestine is experiencing right now - the arrogation of power by other people and oppression in their own native lands and homes.

With due respect, no one comes back to a land after 2, 000 years to assert that he owns it because his ancestors lived there. Many different peoples ancestors have lived on the same land throughout time.

What is of particular concern today is the fact that Israel literaly cages Palestine. It controls its borders. It determines what goes in and what goes out. In the West Bank there are selected roads for Jews and selected roads for Palestinians. That is apartheid in its purest and most undeniable form. And that is a sin against the conscience of humanity.

So when many people talk all the time ignorantly saying that this started on Octover 7, with due respect, it did not. October 7 was at best a reaction against occupation. And just look at the toll. Do you want to compare 1, 200 to over 60, 000? Where is the proportionality? You have the world's biggest super power cooperating and funding to exterminate such a powerless people. How is that just? I hope you know over 145 of the members of the United Nations recognise Palestine as a state but they are still being denied statehood simply because of US veto power. And yet you yourself acknowledged the right to self determination. Today, European states which all supported Israel in this matter are moving towards recognising Palestine by next month all because of how far Israel has gone in its cruelty. It has become a sore wound on the conscience of the world. There is an extent you can go to even when you are right in a matter in which the world will turn against you when you have gone too far - not that Israel was right anyway in this. Enough said for now.



In the case of Israel, there is a deliberate effort to mass murder Palestinians. Not mere miscalculations.

Let me add: Are you aware Netanyahu sponsored Hamas? You dont seem to know the game being played.

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Now, let me respond to some of your final statements:

Israel of today is a creation of the United Nations, and that same United Nations has repeatedly said that the settlements in the West Bank are illegal.

Helloooooo. The UN failed in its attempt to create a Jewish state, and its partition plan was null and void. That partition plan was rejected by the Arabs, who shot themselves in the foot by rejecting the 2nd peaceful attempt at a 2-state solution (the first attempt being the Peel Accords). The fact that the Jews initially created the state of Israel based on the map drawn in the partition plan does not mean it was the UN that created Israel. Israel was created with the blood of 1% of the Jewish population who fought an avoidable war started by the Arabs for their independence. The UN, which failed to broker peace in 1948, does not have the right to decide which border is legal or illegal. The West Bank, as we all know it is historic Judiah and Samariah, all historic Jewish territories, that was renamed West Bank by the Kingdom of Jordan in 1950 when it was formally annexed by King Abdullah I. Nobody, not the UN, the UK, the Arabs etc will tell the Jews not to build on Judea and Samaria. To hell with the Arabs and their hypocrisy. The moment they rejected the partition plan, that day they sealed their fate. All open land became open for all. So far, all official Israeli Government housing settlements in Judea and Samaria have been built on open, empty land. Another attempt by the Arabs to destroy Jewish heritage is the stupid mention of East and West Jerusalem. Jerusalem has always been the capital of the Jewish people. Never in history were there 2 Jerusalem cities until the 1948 Israel-Arab war (the war of independence), which saw Jordan take part of Jerusalem and the Jews manage to keep the other part of the city, splitting Jerusalem in half. Today, the world is trying to normalise the absurdity of 2 Jerusalem cities while wickedly giving all the ancient sites in East Jerusalem to the Arabs, including the holiest Jewish site, the Temple Mount. I for sure would never support the balkanization of Jerusalem into 2. Jerusalem is Jerusalem, and it will forever be the eternal capital of the Jewish people and Israel. If there will be a Palestinian state in our lifetime, let them use Ramallah as their capital.

You keep referring to Palestinians as savages, and that is absurd. It is not savage to fight to defend your land. Especially from an occupier who imposes apartheid restrictions on you the same way white people did to black people in apartheid South Africa.

I said it before, and I'll say again, Palestinians are savages. In Israel, Arabs muslims have equal rights as Jews, and there is no apartheid in Israel. If you were referring to the West Bank, then it's time to go down memory lane a little. Palestinians used to have unlimited access to Israel until the 2nd intifada took place. Israel, which had previously experienced the 1st intifada, which claimed many lives in Israel, and then experienced much bigger destruction and terrorist attacks during the 2nd intifada, had to take measures to protect the lives of its citizens. Some of the measures included the building of a separation wall to prevent uncontrolled entry of Palestinians into Israeli-controlled territories, and the introduction of checkpoints to search those who are coming into Israel from Palestinian-controlled territories. These measures were necessary as this is how any reasonable country will protect its citizens from savage neighbours. Also note that all the intifadas broke out after a peace deal. Still speaking of apartheid, just as Palestinians aren't allowed into Israeli-controlled areas in Judea and Samaria, Jews are also not allowed into Palestinian-controlled territories. The phrase "Jew-free Palestine" is a policy about the Palestinians to create a Palestinian state that has zero Jewish population. They achieved that in 2005 when the Jews left Gaza, and they have maintained that policy in all Palestinian-controlled territories in Judea and Samaria (West Bank). There are YouTube videos of tours across the West Bank which show signboards with the warning "No Jews Allowed" when entering Palestinian areas. As a white person heading from Israel into the Palestinian areas, the Israeli military will always advise against it because you can be lynched by those savages if they think you are Jewish. The Ramallah lynching of 2 Jews in the year 2000 comes to mind. Why Palestinians enter Israel, they get jobs, they buy goods, they access good healthcare services, etc, but when Jews enter any Palestinian area, they get lynched to death and no one sees anything wrong with that. In the Temple Mount compound, there are 10 gates to access the Temple Mount/Dome of the Rock. Muslism can enter through all 10 gates, but Jews and Christians are only allowed to enter through 1 gate. Looks familiar, right? That was the same thing that was happening in apartheid South Africa against Blacks. Here, it's happening to Jews, but no one screams apartheid at such discriminatory rules. While muslims go to the Dome of the Rock to pray, Muslims prevent Jews from going there to pray, knowing fully well that the place is also the Foundation of the Temple Mount. Like I said before, the Jews always compromise, but the savage Arabs who now call themselves Palestinians never compromise.
Did you know that the Palestinian Authority pays families whose family member kills a Jew? The picture of the person who killed the Jew will be hung in a war as a martyr worth emulating by others. Did you know that these Palestinian savages trooped out in their numbers to celebrate the 9/11 attacks in New York City? One would have expected them to at least be indifferent, as over 2900 people had just been killed in the US, the largest sponsor of aid to the Palestinians, but no, they instead celebrated like they had won a jackpot. Did you know that Palestinians celebrated after the October 7 attacks on Israel in 2023? Those savages marched into Israel alongside Hamas fighters to kidnap Israeli people, and they cheered on the streets of Gaza as the naked and raped body of an Israeli girl was paraded. I can go on and on to tell you how savage and barbaric those human animals are (as described by Israel's former defence minister).

So when many people talk all the time ignorantly saying that this started on October 7, with due respect, it did not. October 7 was at best a reaction against the occupation. And just look at the toll. Do you want to compare 1,200 to over 60,000? Where is the proportionality?

This is another funny statement to say the least. I don't care the year you claim it started, because in all cases, the Jews are right. 1948 started just like October 7. The Arabs launched a war, they lost and instantly became the victims of the war they started. Such silly people who have continued to repeat the same mistake for 77 years and counting. If you want, we can also say it didn't start in 1948, but since the time of the Roman Empire. For the toll, there are over 20 thousand Hamas fighters. So out of over 20,000 Hamas fighters, Israel is expected to kill only 1,200, so the death toll will be proportionate, right? During World War 2, Britain carpet bombed Berlin, Germany, which killed more people than those killed when the Nazi's bombed London. I guess the UK was wrong. They should have counted the number of Brits killed and also aimed to kill the exact number in Germany to ensure proportionality. I hope you can see how funny your statement is. A report was released earlier this year stating that of the 17,000 Hamas fighters killed by Israel, Hamas has been able to replace them with more fighters. I guess Israel has to stop bombing Hamas to ensure proportionality, even if Hamas recruits more people, and by the way, where is Hamas getting these new recruits from? I guess from the "innocent and peaceful civilians in Gaza."

I hope you know over 145 of members of the United Nations recognise Palestine

I don't care if 1 million countries recognise a Palestinian state; this war must continue until all the hostages are released and Hamas surrenders. Also, the Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria will neither be destroyed nor be part of any Palestinian state, and the same goes for any part of Jerusalem.

In the case of Israel, there is a deliberate effort to mass murder Palestinians. Not mere miscalculations.

Let the Prime Minister of Israel say, "If we wanted to commit a genocide, we would have done that in one afternoon." The Palestinians are lucky to be up against Israel, which frequently moves the civilians from place to place to minimise casualties. If Taiwan had done an Oct 7 on China, would Taiwan still be an autonomous territory after 2 years? If Afghanistan did an Oct 7 on Iran, would Afghanistan still be a country today? If Mexico had done an Oct 7 on the US, what would have happened to Mexico after 2 years of fighting? If Ukraine had done this to Russia or South Korea on North Korea, what would the results be like? You know the answers to these questions, but I'm sure your bias wouldn't let you admit it.

I'll end my response by saying "Israel is fighting for its existence and must stop at nothing to destroy anything and anyone that tries to throw the Jews into disarray a 2nd time. War has consequences. War is not genocide. Don't start wars if you are not ready to face the consequences of it. "

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Alright, thank you for this. However, notwithstanding that you have said we should focus only on the historical, I must emphasize that it is crucial that the religious considerations are put away in this matter. This is because religion tends to be subjective and anyone can claim their God/ god or gods gave them any given set of promises or directives. I can wake up tomorrow and say I have heard from my God that the whole Earth is the inheritance of my descendants alone and that I am mandated to exterminate everyone else. This should not be invalid because afterall, Abraham was just one man like me - if his god could speak to him and make promises to him, so can mine. I don't want to go as far as to mention all of the barbaric genocidal injunctions given by Yahweh to the Jews in the Bible, but it is worth mentioning - to establish a pattern - to show that what is happening today is not new - and thus it is not just a question of Arabs being the problem.

Historically Jews have insisted that their blood thirsty pagan mountain deity called Yahweh has issued genocidal commands to them, and it is by means of these commands that they even came to posess the so called promised land. Therefore, let us stay well away from any such religious claims for all can play that game, as indeed the Arabs and Muslims also have, through history.



So here is what is at issue. Ownership of land is a delicate thing. The way land rights have always worked, it is simply impossible to deny the rights of an occupant who had dwelt in a place for centuries. Thus, the example of the Europeans in America I hitherto used. They travelled there, met Native Americans there - conquered them and virtually wiped them off the surface of the Earth through the gun and disease. Today, Europeans have held America for some three to four centuries. The time which has passed has bequeathed them what you may call a right of occupancy. Whether they came there justly or unjustly, the time which has passed is sufficient to render it legitimate that their descendants now dwell there rightly. Thus, even though a purist like myself may argue that if the Native Americans summon the will, the resources and the technology today and are able to push the "encroachers" out of America, it is right and fair, in all truth, too much time has passed.

In this same way, the history of the matter is that roughly two thousand years ago, the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and scattered the Jews into diaspora. They went into Persia but mostly into Europe where they suffered much persecution through the middle ages, the renaissance, the enlightenment and all the way through to the 20th century where they sufferred the holocaust.

In the intervening time, Islam had arisen in the 7th Century AD, and by the turn of the millenium the crusades had begun in which troupe after troupe of christian armies generation after generation sought to displace the Muslims from the "Holy Land." This went back and forth over a couple of centuries and the land would alternate between Islamic and Christian authority - all the time retaining a small Jewish population. I am sure you know of the great encounters between Richard the Lion Heart and Saladin. And too many more stories of that period. The long and short of it is that the presensce of Arabs in that land dates back at least one thousand years now.

And the argument I am making is that if European Americans can now consider North America their homeland after being there for a few centuries, how much more the Arabs who have been in Palestine for over a thousand years?

Now, moving on, by the time the second world war ended, I hope you know that the British had made promises to the Jews via Zionists that they would create a homeland for them in Palestine. At that time, the place was mostly occupied by Arabs like I said, for about a thousand years already. It is unreasonable to claim that it was not home to them. Besides, the European Jews who were returning had been so adulterated that one cannot really claim that they are necessarily of the same ancestry as the Israelites of old. Frankly, most of them today are noticeably white.

Nevertheless, they came back. What did you expect? Did you expect that the Arbas there would not resist? Of course they would. It is only natural. Just as if Native Americans make a come back today from tthe settlements they have been restricted to, to take up most of America, do you dare to think that the current European descendants who control that country will not fiercely resist them? Of course they will.

I have written a lot so far so let me just summarize: the point is that compromises must be made. Israel of today is a creation of the United Nations and that same United Nations has repeatedly said that the settlements in the West Bank are illegal. You keep referring to Palestinians as savages and that is absurd. It is not savage to fight to defend your land. Especially from an occupier who imposes apartheid restrictions on you the same way white people did to black people in apartheid South Africa.

You call them terrorists, but I hope you know the whites also called Nelson Mandela a terrorist? I hope you know the USA kept him on their terrorism watchlist up till 2008? What does that teach you? It shoudl teach you that those who resist European imperialism are routinely labelled terrorists - even when they are actually the victims of terrorism.

There is a historical reason both Ireland and South Africa stand solidly with Palestine - and it is because BOTH countries have experienced EXACTLY what Palestine is experiencing right now - the arrogation of power by other people and oppression in their own native lands and homes.

With due respect, no one comes back to a land after 2, 000 years to assert that he owns it because his ancestors lived there. Many different peoples ancestors have lived on the same land throughout time.

What is of particular concern today is the fact that Israel literaly cages Palestine. It controls its borders. It determines what goes in and what goes out. In the West Bank there are selected roads for Jews and selected roads for Palestinians. That is apartheid in its purest and most undeniable form. And that is a sin against the conscience of humanity.

So when many people talk all the time ignorantly saying that this started on Octover 7, with due respect, it did not. October 7 was at best a reaction against occupation. And just look at the toll. Do you want to compare 1, 200 to over 60, 000? Where is the proportionality? You have the world's biggest super power cooperating and funding to exterminate such a powerless people. How is that just? I hope you know over 145 of the members of the United Nations recognise Palestine as a state but they are still being denied statehood simply because of US veto power. And yet you yourself acknowledged the right to self determination. Today, European states which all supported Israel in this matter are moving towards recognising Palestine by next month all because of how far Israel has gone in its cruelty. It has become a sore wound on the conscience of the world. There is an extent you can go to even when you are right in a matter in which the world will turn against you when you have gone too far - not that Israel was right anyway in this. Enough said for now.



In the case of Israel, there is a deliberate effort to mass murder Palestinians. Not mere miscalculations.

Let me add: Are you aware Netanyahu sponsored Hamas? You dont seem to know the game being played.

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Let me start like this:

1) Who is a Palestinian? A Palestinian is either a Jew or an Arab who lived in the Levant area of the Ottoman Empire and subsequently, the British mandate. Every historic account states this clearly that Jews and Arabs made up the population of Palestine even before the European Jews came there. I started with this because you were almost describing all the Jews in present-day Israel as aliens who came from Europe to reclaim something. There were Jews who never left.

2) Did you know that Palestine, before the British took over, never had an actual boundary; it was never a state with any kind of leadership structure. It was simply a geographic location that was part of the multiple empires that conquered it over the years, just like the Sahara Desert, which is today cut across multiple countries. No single country can lay claim to owning the Sahara. When the Ashkenazi Jews moved to Palestine from Europe, they settled in the open areas, legally bought land from the Ottoman government, the Arabs and subsequently, the British, who took over from the Ottomans to create Jewish communities. This was how Tel Aviv was created in 1909. Most of the land purchased by the Zionist Jews was swamps and inhospitable. Examples and references include the Sursock land purchases and the purchase of the Jezreel Valley, which was purchased from the Sursock Family. The land was recorded to be abandoned by the family as it was infected with malaria. The Balfour Declaration also confirmed the quality of land the Jews bought from the British government, who had taken charge from the Ottomans. The report states:

"Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it was bought. The shortage of land is, we consider, due less to purchase by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population."

This pattern of buying inhospitable land was a strategic choice to avoid displacing local Arab tenant farmers, or fellahin, who worked on more fertile, smaller plots. The buyers saw the opportunity to not only acquire land but to "redeem" it through reclamation efforts.

In one of my previous responses to you, I begged you to mention the names of Arab villages and communities taken over by the Jews before or in 1948, but you didn't mention any, so your claim that Jews not acknowledging the presence of Arabs on the land is utterly false. Also note that these lands purchased were completely different from communities already occupied by the Jews, who never left the Levant.

3) Did you know that when the British officially called the area "British Mandate of Palestine", the Arabs were not comfortable with the name "Palestine" as they claimed that it was an attempt to erase the Arab identity of the area? Today, these same people have embraced that name as a tool for political warfare against Israel. As stated by a PLO commander, Zuhair Mohsen and member of the PLO's executive committee, in an interview with Dutch newspaper Trouw on March 31, 1977:

"The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality, today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism."

When the UN created the partition plan of 1947, the plan was to create a Jewish state and an Arab state, not a Palestinian state, because both parties were identified by their ethnicities, not as Palestinians. There were no "Palestinian people". The only Palestinian people were the ones newly invented by the British after they defeated the Ottoman Empire.

4) You mentioned the biblical claim of land by the Jews and even went ahead to call the Jewish God barbaric, and you also spoke about compromises. I'll address both. When the Jews in diaspora returned, they were hoping to get all of Palestine for their Jewish state. The British dealt a big blow to that plan by cutting a huge chunk of the land, a whopping 78% of it, to create Transjordan. At this point, it became clear to the Jews that the promised land their God offered them was no longer feasible in modern times. Following the creation of Transjordan in 1920, the Jews thought the remaining 22% of the land would be the Jewish state since the Arabs had gotten 78% already. That thought was dead on arrival as the Peel accords of 1937 carved out a small chunk of that 22% to be the Jewish state. The Jewish state was 17% of that small piece of land, largely made up of the old Jewish communities and the newly purchased Jewish lands, Jerusalem, and to extent, Bethlehem were to remain under the British Mandate due to their religious importance to both Jews and Arabs and this part made up 8% of the land, while he rest of the land, about 75% of the land was to be an Arab state. Despite the projections of the Jews, their Biblical beliefs and to their great disappointment, they accepted the deal nonetheless. That right there is the COMPROMISE you spoke of. What did the Arabs do? They rejected the idea of having a separate Jewish state and insisted on having just 1 country where Arabs will be the majority. That right there is NOT COMPROMISE. In this war, Israel has compromised by agreeing to release Palestinian prisoners, many of whom were charged with Murder and other crimes, including Hamas members. One of the youths who took part in the famous Ramallah lynching of 2000 was also released by Israel. This is a huge COMPROMISE as Israel is putting itself at risk by releasing these criminals to society, who can attack Israel in the future. On the other hand, one would expect Hamas, whose people are dying to also compromise by releasing all the hostages to stop these frequent Israeli attacks and the complete takeover of Gaza City, but no, Hamas and the Arabs never compromise, and unfortunately, no one is forcing them to, as everyone is focused on Israel.

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