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Heathen777:
If God exists, then this question wouldn't even have to be asked, because God would be as common knowledge as the fact that there is a sky above.

There's yet to be any scientific evidence of the supernatural, let alone a God, so the odds for a god existing is looking pretty slim, practically non- existent.

It can be asked. The law of gravity exists, but a fool will fill a baloon with Helium and say the law of gravity doesn’t exist.

The scientist are not able to prove so many things.

A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)

They were also confused, delusional, and are a great evidence of Folly!
Thinking the can understand God with their wisdom of Men. Thinking they are intelligent, but though foolish.

frank317:
Cool... Pls answer them one by one for me according to all the questions u asked me when I said a 3 headed red elephant is God


I am asking u... I have not the answer to anyone of them so I am asking... No one is saying u should ask urself bro.


If u say to a scientist that Charles law does nonexistent... He will simply prove it to u. U guys have failed to prove God to us... Rather most theist are asking atheist to prove God none existence to them... Isnt that laughable?


So u if u don't believe in something and someone tells u it exists... U will not tell the person it's false? If u can't tell the person it's false what then is the poibt of not believing?

You don’t believe God exists, and I should answer how he has proved Himself to me?
If you don’t believe that God exists, how will you believe, the proofs He has given me?
If you don’t believe Charle’s law exist, how will you believe it’s procedures?
No, it isn’t laughable, how will the scientist prove Charle’s law to you, won’t you be present, your mind, and heart must be there present with the scientist, you’ve also taken part in the experiment..
Yes you can tell the person it’s false. And when the person proves to you, that it is true, you still believe it doesn’t exist it is folly, but when the person proves to you that it is true. And you decide not to believe it is okay. But note, He exists.

tintingz:
I don't believe in any God and I'm not inquisitive, and even if I'm inquisitive, God is a public matter and open to any debate, argument etc.

Your question is like asking why are Christians arguing with Muslims about their God they(Christians) don't believe in or why are over millions of people interested in Black Panther they believe doesn't exist.

You ask if I've called on God and intervene, my question is which God are you talking about, is that question so difficult to answer?

If you don’t believe in any God, why are you now asking “Which God” please is that reasonable, oh i don’t believe the earth is round.. I dont believe there are other planets, then I’ll ask you questions about “which planet”? Is that reasonable please?
Is it wise and reasonable to debate something that you absolutely do not believe exists.? Please Be REASONABLE HERE!

The Muslims have their own faith, they are serving something of course, I will not want to argue about their faith, because I do not believe in the Q’uran. Anyone who will want to argue or debate about their faith, and that person does not believe in the Q’uran, it will be folly.

The God that created the Heavens and the Earth.

tintingz:
Which God are you talking about, is it Yahweh, Allah, Brahma, Odin, Zeus, Ukulunkulu, Olorun, RA etc which one?

Abeg make I celebrate Nigeria super eagles first.

First of All, do you believe in God?
If yes, tell me the God you believe in?
If no, then why are inquisitive about what you do not believe in.?

hopefulLandlord:
I think asking him "What is the design?" is better. the question he asked is loaded

Everything physical.

johnydon22:
The word design is used in many ways and not all of these instances means a design that requires to be designed.

We refer to symmetry or patterns as design.

But people most often apply anthropomorphic meaning.

Take for instance when we use instances like "The river wants to go down hill"

These makes the downhill flow of the river as some form of deliberate effect by the river and not a strict effect of the laws of physics"

So I think the teleogical argument is from our anthromophic descriptions most often, often mistaking "reason" as in "how" for reason as in "why"

If it doesn’t require to be designed, then it is not a design. Let us be reasonable.

“Take for instance when we use instances like "The river wants to go down hill"

These makes the downhill flow of the river as some form of deliberate effect by the river and not a strict effect of the laws of physics" —- This is a theory, if reasoned proves false, because it is evident that it is a strict effect of the laws of physics.

johnydon22:
Flawed argument.

You are basing your premise on assumptions that humans are designed therefore see design in everything.

- It is not established that humans are designed
- Designing things from other inspirations does not mean the inspiring piece is designed - Pos hoc.
- Seeing patterns is different from purposeful design - Fallacy of false equivalence.
-There is no relationship between seeing design and being designed or vise versa - you must demonstrate from whence the conclusion is derived.






Snow flake

Design in definition used a decorative pattern




Through natural process.

Snow formation is a common knowledge



Up there

I will be waiting for you to substantiate the quality of design (one that requires a designer) your argument up there is quite based on a false premise.

If humans are not “designed” i guess you need to look up the meaning of a “design”.
If the inspiring piece is not designed, from where did you get the inspiration of the design from? Again “look up the meaning of design“

`There is no relationship between seeing design and being designed or vise versa - you must demonstrate from whence the conclusion is derived.` what is the disconnectedness between seeing design and being designed?

SnowFlake ❄️, natural process, now you are diverging to “natural” what is natural? What controls natural?

You’re still not able to prove it false.
Be reasonable.

tintingz:
- So I need to try a God to know if he/she exist?

- Which God and his/her laws are you talking about?

- I'm talking about deist God that doesn't intervene.

I’m talking about the God who created the heavens and the earth.
Do you believe in the God, and he doesn’t intervene. Have you called on him and he didn’t intervene?

hopefulLandlord:
Would you be so kind to answer how the question "Can a design exist without a designer?" connects to the existence of whatever you call god/God?

If there’s a design, that means someone created the design, and from the passing of time, the carnal man has not been able to prove so many things correctly, and does not fully understand some things, this means the creator the designer, must be a supreme being, whose knowledge surpasses without limit the knowledge and wisdom of carnal men.

hopefulLandlord:
Yes! and that's why I asked how your question pertains to the topic

I want you to connect it to the topic

It has been discussed earlier. I will plead with you to read messages..

frank317:
All these questions u are what u are supposed to ask urself when u say God is the designer...

Now u can confidently ask the questions because I said a three headed red elephant is the designer.

Bit if I had ask u the same questions when u said God is the designer u would say I am foolish.

Now if God is the designer how come none of these questions u asked has been answered by him?

Oh it has been answered thoroughly by him. In his word. So you see if I ask myself these questions it would be absolutely foolish.

Now ponder on this.
Charles’ law, boyle’s law, law of gravity.
Persons have tested and prooved this to be true. Now if I come out and say Charles’ law and boyle’s law does not exist or they are false without trying it, what is that called?
Folly, and I’m being delusional..

And to y’all out there, who profess that God doesn’t exist, now why are you deliberating on it. If trully he doesn’t exist to you. Something you do not believe in because of your reasoning, you’re meddling with it. What confusion!

hopefulLandlord:
I want you to tell us how your question pertains to the discussion though

that's why I asked what point you're tryna prove with that question

Oh if I’m not mistaken, the discussion here is about the existence of God. Am I correct?

hopefulLandlord:
of course no! the question is loaded as far as this discussion goes though

However I just answered you so what next?

Oh I asked someone the question, and you answered too. Good. Do you believe in the existence of God?

hopefulLandlord:
your point is?

My point is : is there a design without a designer?

chubbyswit:
replying threads like this will only help to massage their ego, and it will lead to endless arguments.

If you believe in God, you’ll know His word always stand true. And it says “Only a fool says in his heart, there’s no God”
This is also a proof of God’s existence, the “fools say truly, there’s no God”.

chubbyswit:
replying threads like this will only help to massage their ego, and it will lead to endless arguments.

No. It is when you don’t have the truth, that it will massage their ego. God told us to know how to answer when asked about our faith.

If you really know and believe the truth, you’ll know the darkness never surpasses the truth!
The truth will reveal the folly.
There’s always a point, when even to their selves, they sound foolish.

tintingz:
Deist God cannot be proven nor has prove for his/her/it existence because it does not intervene, why should anybody care about his/her/it existence?

Have you tried God, and He didn’t prove himself to you?
Do you know his instructions, his laws and his statutes, to know if really he doesn’t intervene?
Do you know His character? And if you do wish not to care about his existence, do you use your own reasoning to judge other people’s reasoning. Is that Even REASONABLE?
Judging a matter, even before knowing about it, I perceive foolishness in this kind of judgement.

frank317:
U are wrong, the designer is a three headed red elephant under the earth

Oh now Good, the three headed red elephant under the earth is not a supreme being, it created a design he doesn’t have preeminence over, now has the elephant given us rules, and regulations, procedures and instructions to follow, because if it created us, it is to know all about us, what it demands from us. What our purpose in life is. Where is it, or what has it given to us, or written to us, that this is what you’re supposed to follow, to achieve the purpose I have designed you for.
Then if peradventure, it has, has anyone tried it, and it never failed, have there been witnesses of old, so many things, to prove that yes, it’s instructions works, and what it has told us to know that yes it created the design, have they been proven to be true. Has it ever failed?

johnydon22:
The first question should be to substantiate the actuality of design.

And yes there can be design without designer.

Every reasonable person can perceive all around, that everything we see today is actually of a design, because we ourselves have made designs from what we see, or from our imaginations.
Conclusions have been drawn even from the “greatest scientists” that these are designs..

Also Please give me an example of a design without a designer.
Note: if there is no designer, how did it become a design on its own..
Please reason, and give proofs and facts for your reason. (Give what you’re basing your reasons on)

Martinez19:
The is no design without a designer. The question is who or what is the designer?

Okay, if there is a designer, which you’ve agreed. Who or what the designer is, is a good question...
The Designer is God. If you object, who and what is the designer?

chubbyswit:
must you reply these guys for christ sake!?

They have to be answered, to bring out their foolishness in them. So they can identify their foolishness.

Evangkatsoulis:
Nope, nothing in mind. And I don't ask for evidence,

Is there ever a design without a designer.

Who is Jesus?
What is salvation?
Why did Jesus come?
How does one becomes born-again?

sharpguy10:
Hi guys in this post I will be sharing with you the life of the believer. Who you are and what you have and what you can do.
As a believer you are different from the world. Even though you are in the world, what happen in the world is not permitted to happen to you. The day you were born again, is the day everything in you changes. Your Spirit, soul and body was completely change when you born again. Your life is a different one now. You carry God's divine nature. You are a unique person that has never existed before. You alone possess a unique talent and gift that no other possess. You are the beloved one of God.

Who is a believer?
A believer is a person who has given his life to Christ through born again. He is a new creation in Christ. He is a redeem and beloved one of God. He is the one God has deposited everything he will ever need in his life inside him.
They are the one that God has given the abundance grace and the gift of righteousness to reign in life. So the life of the believer is a life of glory, a continues increase in prosperity and happiness. You are not allow to be stagnated or been tormented by evil one. You are above them and more powerful than them. As Jesus Is so are you. Everything that makes Jesus Who He is, is deposited in each and every believer. Everything you will need to live a glorious and prosperous life is already done for you in Christ. The only thing that a believer need to know is to know what he or she want, how to manifest them in their world and enjoy it. Your life is now in the grace realm not in the law. You are meant to be shinning always in everything you do.
You are not to fail in anything you do, you are to prosper in all you do and be admire by those around you. You are God's glory and image on this earth, the one He look unto to perform is signs and wonders on earth.

What The Believer Have.
The believers has everything to live a prosperous, successful and glorious life. They are blessed with all they will ever need in life. They have the grace, power, Holy Spirit and divine covering of God to live a prosperous and a happy life. Everything that God has is theirs to use to get what they want in life. They have the power to command and it will happen. They also have the power to destroy and cast out Satan through the name of Jesus. The only thing for the believers to be doing is for him or her to know what The Lord has done for him and how to manifest it in his life and enjoy it.
You are like Jesus Christ, you are here to live the life God has created for His children before the foundation of the world and also show the world how to live the life and get what they wanted.

As you can see, the life of the believers is a prosperous and a successful one. so if you want to give your life to Christ please say this short prayer:
Lord Jesus I come to you today as a sinner and I know that you died for me and on the third day you to send again for my redemption and my justification. Right now I accept you as my Lord and personal saviour. Thank you for saving me in Jesus name Amen.
As you say that short prayer, this is the best decision you have ever made in your life. Read this post again and follow the instructions to manifest the life.

Keep soaring high and prospering in life.

Before I read further. Please how does your Body Change. Are you even a Believer?

mukhtara446:
You that know the word of God let me asked you, How many years did jesus spent preaching to people and to how many people after he finish teaching. Whom did he sent to mention his coming to the all corners of the earth at his time and did he ever preach to someone other than an Israelite.

Okay, you can ask questions. But the bible is not for debate, it is to make us wise unto salvation.
I hope you get this.

You see God is Righteous, He is perfect.. He is Good. In His goodness, He desires that none should perish, irrespective of the errors we have made or are currently making.

Who is God?
God is our creator. This means, He knows our purpose on earth and as such, only He can tell this to us and guide us in actualising the purpose.

What is the purpose of man?
Just like every created work is meant to please the creator, likewise is man meant to please His creator.

How does man go about pleasing His creator?
Just the way a smartphone cannot operate itself, likewise it is futile for man to attempt working out what he deems right in the presence of God. That is why God, in His infinite wisdom, made a way for us to understand His very nature and also He provided us with His Spirit (which Jesus promised) to give us the ability to please Him. God is Holy and perfect. All who seek to please God must exhibit this nature of God. God cannot reduce His standard of righteousness and holiness for man, rather He made a way to raise our standard to His.

What is the truth about man?
Man is filled with diverse lusts and desires which contradict the ways of God. No matter the physical constraints man places around himself, or the number of works he does, his heart remains unaffected. The nature of the heart of man is corrupt.

How does this heart become transformed into an incorruptible nature that God desires?
Only God can transform the heart of man. No matter the resolutions man seems to make, he is helpless over his situation. The way to this transformation is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Who is Jesus?
Jesus is the person graciously bestowed with the fullness of the Spirit of God, whom God cleansed with His Spirit and accepted Him to be a sacrifice for the cleansing of this corrupt nature of man. God also appointed Him to give unto us the wisdom and power to live the life He created man for.

How does a man come into this wonderful promise of actualising the purpose of creation?

By believing in the personality of Jesus. Jesus came in flesh and blood like all men, and through the Spirit of God, He was able to obey God even unto His death. All those who believe in Jesus, read and abide by the instructions of His word- The word of Jesus was proved to have a life giving nature in it by physical evidences so that those who are of little faith may see and believe in this life changing words of His. Jesus brought unto mankind the very perfect wisdom of God. This wisdom helps us to understand the righteousness that God desires of man. This is the righteousness of faith.

So since you have not read the bible you should not conclude that Jesus never gave commandments, and even if you have, there is something you should know. If you read the bible without faith, it is a waste of time, this is what all false christians do, reading the bible without faith, and trying to fulfill, and satisfy their fleshy desires, trying to get what they want from the bible, instead of getting what God wants for us. This is why the word of God purifies our heart.

You asking these questions,
“How many years did jesus spent preaching to people and to how many people after he finish teaching. Whom did he sent to mention his coming to the all corners of the earth at his time and did he ever preach to someone other than an Israelite”

The bible is not a physics textbook, neither a biology textbook, nor is it meant for you to know history that you deliberate on these things. You see, I know Jesus in a different way, different from the way you know him. Because up to this date, when someone becomes the son of God, They mention about the coming of Jesus.

Then about preaching to Israelites, it is not a Physical Israel the way you look at it. Israel refers to the chosen of God. He came to save all men, that is why you are even opportuned to see his word.
(How does God chooses you? with his word. It is left for you to choose between life and death, good and evil.)

Be reasonable...
someone you don’t know, someone you don’t believe in, how will you know what he came to do, when you cannot even comprehend him.??

mukhtara446:
Ok but it's like i once heard someone said i don't know if its true or not but he said, Jesus preached for 3 years, and he don't completed something's as their is a verse in Bible that he said he have many things to said but he will send a spirit of truth to guide people to All true, but i never heard Jesus give his commandments, pls what are they.

Oh okay. That person doesn’t know God. Jesus finished everything he came to do. I will speak to you about these things, if you ‘reply’ these simple questions....

Have you read the Holy Bible?
Do you believe the bible?
Do you believe it is the Only True Word of God?
If yes, you’ll also believe in Jesus... (and that He had the spirit of God without measure and he is the perfect wisdom and power of God) so therefore He completed, perfectly the will of our Father.
If No, then why are you deliberating on what you do not believe... it will be delusional if you don’t believe something, and you want to know so much about it, (especially when ‘not’ wanting to belief it)

Do not Mock God.

For the law(the letter) came by moses.... which killeth(because you cannot fulfill all of it by yourself) but grace(spirit- which giveth life) and truth(spirit of truth which guides us into all truth) came by Jesus Christ.

Then also you’ll understand that we have false christians who are living all over the world today, alot of false prophets, who think Godliness is gain.
Who use the name of God for vain things.
False teachers and false apostles who preach a gospel different from the one ☝� Hope !!!! —- ETERNAL LIFE.

All these, who walk after their own ungodly lusts, who sin all day long, and expect a “false” grace to come on them, these men were of Old ordained to condemnation..

How then can we have the spirit.
John 3:16.———-FAITH.
Jesus came in this same flesh as ours, no difference, no uniqueness, and was born of God, and His heart made pure by the Holy spirit right from birth, and he lived a sinless life, so also even as God gave a human being like us His spirit, then he will also give Any (Whosoever) human being that asks for his spirit, of course that person has to believe our savior who showed us the way, because without Jesus, we wouldn’t have known that a Human being can have God’s spirit, and be led by God’s spirit all the days of his life. So Jesus showed us the way, now was it his flesh that showed us the way or the spirit?
It was the spirit.
“Where the spirit of thr Lord is, there is liberty, and the lord is that spirit.”
The spirit gave the physical man Jesus(which is also known as Joshua) and made him Christ(the deliverer) because he was the first to have that spirit without measure, he delivered us from sin and who sent him to us, who gave him to us to save us graciously??
God !!! That is why Jesus is the grace of God. The Holy Spirit in Jesus is the grace of God.
So It was the spirit, because it is pure, that purified is blood and it was an acceptable sacrifice to God, because we can see right from the Old Testament that it required blood to wash away sin. But this blood now is different from the animal’s blood, because it has been purified by the God himself. God himself lived in this human. Which made him pure, Holy, and because He wholly submitted himself to God, because He choose to.
So no who are we following, who showed us the way, who made the heart of God made known to us? Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Savior.

This is something you will understand better if you thirst it. We have proofs in the bible who have thirsted it and yes the spirit is there for all who believe in Christ and seek him, and also I did and can testify that yes God gives his spirit to the sons of men.

Julivas:
Yeah, he is not born of a woman because he is the first human being to be created. The plan of God is to have fellowship with man always. After Adam ate the forbidden fruit, the act made him to disobey the commandment of God. That is how sin enters the human race, though not born of a woman but he sinned by disobeying God. It was in that condition that he started giving birth to offspring, thus transferring the the seed of sin to human race.

Second question.
The same way a child carries the the DNA of his father.

If you say the seed of sin was transferred to human race. Then you are saying the seed of sin was also transferred to Jesus. Then you bring in the physical birth of Jesus, then all those who were not given birth to like Jesus(virgin birth) will hold on to that, “Oh, we cannot be like Jesus, we cannot be perfect like him” Which is False. Man fell from the grace of God, when adam sinned. And normall the heart of man, the carnal mind is enmity against God. There the carnal heart of man can never please God.
Therefore Jesus was born of God from the womb, He was born of the Holy spirit, (this is why we do not look at jesus the way the world sees him-fleshy) and then he showed us that through the Holy Spirit one can wholly be submissive to God. Because it is the spirit of God , and the spirit searches All things, and then the spirit knows the heart of God, then if we are led by the spirit, we will walk as Jesus walked, and only then can we please God. What God has been trying to tell Mankind is that, our own works cannot save us if we don’t have the spirit of God.
So when we have the spirit of God and are led by it, then we know that the works which are made manifest is not of us, but God that worketh it in our lives through his spirit.

mukhtara446:
what you said make sense to some extent, but what my faith teach me is that, everyone has a spirit(soul) from God sent, with a angel assigned by God, And it teaches me that i have to follow the will of God not My will as in my choice(whims and desires), because the way of life that i followed it's self means summiting and who follow it is called (WhomSummited) base on this explanation and what you said above can i said me and Jesus follow the same way of life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 KJV

What does it mean to believe in Jesus?

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 John 2:3‭-‬6 KJV