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Pasqual:
God has a general and also specific destiny for all..
Generally, He destines all of us for heaven and that can be seen in II Peter 3vs9,10..

Specifically, how numerous we are that's how we have different destinies. You get to know what you are when you get Christ. When Peter met Jesus, Jesus told him "thou art Simon the son of Jona, THOU SHALT BE CALLED CEPHAS (that's his destiny). Jesus also told Ananias "go thy way: for he (Paul) is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles and Kings and the children of Israel. So if you want to know your destiny just #Repent and get Holy Spirit cause #HE is the one that knows deep things of God 1st Corinthians 2vs9.

A verse to summarize this truth is Psalm 68vs18 or Ephesians 4vs8 "thou has ascended on high, thou has led captivity captive (that's the salvation or repentance) and gave gifts for men..

If you still need anything, I'm here

There are lots of lies in your message. Your heart needs to be made straight.

Pasqual:
God has a general and also specific destiny for all..
Generally, He destines all of us for heaven and that can be seen in II Peter 3vs9,10..

Specifically, how numerous we are that's how we have different destinies. You get to know what you are when you get Christ. When Peter met Jesus, Jesus told him "thou art Simon the son of Jona, THOU SHALT BE CALLED CEPHAS (that's his destiny). Jesus also told Ananias "go thy way: for he (Paul) is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles and Kings and the children of Israel. So if you want to know your destiny just #Repent and get Holy Spirit cause #HE is the one that knows deep things of God 1st Corinthians 2vs9.

A verse to summarize this truth is Psalm 68vs18 or Ephesians 4vs8 "thou has ascended on high, thou has led captivity captive (that's the salvation or repentance) and gave gifts for men..

If you still need anything, I'm here

I think you’re the one who needs to give his life to Christ, because you just said something not in the bible. (Bringing your own words into the word of God - heresy)

Specifically, how numerous we are that's how we have different destinies

We have one hope, One calling!!


You get to know what you are when you get Christ.
It is never about you, it is about Christ, we are worms, we are dust, we get to know The character of Christ when we get to know Christ.

These people you mentioned, it is the spirit of God in them, that Christ referred to, we are vessels of clay.

Do not use the words of men, to replace the word of God.

analice107:
Okay, you can shift to your Ethiopian what again?

Here is a group where Christians relate, not those who don't believe in God, so thanks for stopping by.

You need to read 1 Corinthians 13:1-13
And know the true meaning of love.
You can not answer a simple question about what you claim you profess.

mimopel:
Good day sir/ma

Yes the last time we got the wrong audience but doesn't mean a group like this is wrong.....please don't say that.. U are not God. And u don't know if I was lead to open it, does are questions u should have asked me.

Besides now the group we don't have the wrong audience. The other time I added a lot of people who came to me seeming to be Christians but now we are not a multitude, we are a selected few...only selected, trsuted christian are added.

So pls tell me wat is wrong in bringing believer to come together, pray study Gods word. Learn wat God wants in Godly relationship... ??..is it because it exist in a WhatsApp??

Please if you were lead..
You were lead by who?
Please use a bible reference to support it.
The name of the person or being, and how it relates to the word of God.

anonymousIP2:
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Please I’m yet to understand the word “destiny” and how it is connected to the kingdom of God, how it is connected to salvation(eternal life), please if you can, explain to me.
Because I know the word of God is to make us wise unto salvation.

budaatum:
Pity you think faith is a bible word. As I said, "you see through your Christian eyes". Seems you think non-Christian's eyes don't work. Guess you wouldn't understand either if I said my faith in passing my exams was based on the intensive study I did before hand too, or my faith in not being hit while crossing a road is based on looking left and right before crossing.

O, and learning and believing are not synonyms. And for your information, most three year olds use words long before they learn the alphabets.

Ok

budaatum:
What you've said below is what you see through your Christian eyes. It reminds me of a phrase, "is this not Joseph's son?" They asked because they were the teachers, and Joseph's son had not been to their school to be taught by them, so how could he possibly know to talk such "great wisdom"? I too have not been to church school to be taught, yet I see some of the words I strung together make "great wisdom" to some.

The point is that some of what is written in the Bible can be found in other books too. Paul was very well know for plagiarism for instance, and because he did and put it in the Bible does not reduce the merit of what is said, even to an atheist. Even so, it is still available in other books and without the veil of gods wrapped over it. Though we do not expect the majority to delve that deep. As Christ put it, "the lame walk, the blind see and to some is the gospel preached". Everyone has a level.

What James is saying is that faith and belief that is untested is worthless essentially, and his faith, at least has been tested by the works he has accomplished by it. And you think by 'faith', one might mean faith in God, but 'faith' is not limited to Gods. Jesus even said one should have faith in one's fellow human being! It is the lesson of turning the other cheek after all, and, "in as much as you have done unto those here that you see" , the idea being, you slap me twice, shame on you, and "know ye not that your fellow humans are gods?" And one does not have to believe it either because one can test it and know, as opposed to just having faith that it might be true and work.

You write for your own sake X18, but might not quite know that yet. The words are the beginning, and then follows the creation of things. I advise you to lift your head out of a loaf of bread and read more widely. It will immensely improve your understanding. Meanwhile, thanks for the intelligently had conversation. Not many on here make me resort to the style you've provoked in me.

Oh! You telling me about Faith?

Do you not know that you even talking about Faith(From the Holy Bible) is unreasonable.

Just like a child (age -3) who has refused to learn(believe) a,b,c,d -> z, is telling you about words like “lackadaisical” “psychological” or even “alphabetical”. This is the best description I’m able to point to.

The law of gravity will become true of an independent person or group of persons have consistently gotten the stated result when the principles where followed. Any one who wishes to declare the testimony of testifiers wrong would have to perform the experiment, following the laws and principles of the author. Only when he gets a false result after abiding by the rules can he declare it false or void. Also, if a man has listened to two contrasting testimony of the same object and wishes to TRULY take sides or become a professor of one of these sides, just like every professors, you have to go through the rudiments of proving these principles.

You cannot become a TRUE professor without witnessing the subject you're professing, otherwise you will just be a FALSE PROFESSOR.

The metric of judging the existence of God and who a True Christian is, is the word of God.

If you don’t believe in God you cannot understand Him.

Choose whether to believe Him and He’ll give you the wisdom to understand him more and more, choose to reject him, and he’ll forsake you.
It’s simple - He is a rewarder of those who Diligently seek him.

He is a merciful God. His ways are not your ways.

Note: A terrorist is a person who uses unlawful violence.
Telling you, What God has given you, Eternal life, peace and joy just because you reject it, does not make me a wanna-be terrorist.

budaatum:
And for fear of repeating myself, God has not revealed himself to me, and by your admission, neither has he to you, for all you have is what you read in a book that was written about God, and which you chose to believe.

If you bother to ask atheists, you would find that they tend to not live by bread alone but have read quite a lot of books that have been claimed to have been written by one god or another. It is why some would ask which god should be believed in.

Still, read my previous. I discuss not with you because I want you to abandon what you hold as true. My words about the regard I have for myself and the work I have put in to enable me to hold the stance that I hold is not just acquired by any Tom, Dick or Harry who has not done any work.

I so love how James put it. "Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds". My seeds are cast and those which will choke, wither and die will do so, while those that will yield a crop a hundred times will do so too.

You see, you do not believe in something, and you think you can understand it, you want to use your great Wisdom which is foolishness in the eyes of God to understand his word. It is folly.
You think reading through the bible a hundred times makes you understand all of it.

You do not even have the “faith” and you want to show it by your deeds. There are persons reading this, this is an internet forum, I’m writing for your sakes alone.
Proofing to you He exists, is revealing his glory, his beauty, to show the folly of men. That the wisdom of Men is folly. That is why we depend on the truth - That is not folly.

budaatum:
If I know my God exists, I do not see how I would be attempting to reason with a person who lacks my knowledge X18, after all, I possibly did work to acquire the knowledge that makes me know my God exists, work I am likely to assume they have not bothered to do. Or do I think so little of myself by expecting everyone to have been as diligent as I was and acquire the knowledge I have? Should I lack consideration for the effort I put in to acquire such knowledge and assume any Tom, Dick or atheist could just stumble on it? Should I go about insulting myself by thinking the opinion of some atheist who lacks knowledge I have matters? What would be the intention of casting my very worthy diligently acquired pearls in front of atheist swines?

Personally, the only reasons I would be arguing about the existence of my God would be because I either don't value my God who has bothered to convince me with sufficient evidence that it exists, or I do not value myself and the effort that I might have put in to ensure I know my God exists, or because I am not quite sufficiently certain that my God exists, or my understanding of my God is limited.

If I am certain, and have understanding of my God, it would not matter to me much whether some atheist knows or believes my God exists. I might feel the need to place my lamp where everyone shall see it, but I would understand that some seeds fall along the path and get trampled on, and some fall on rocky ground and wither because they get no moisture, and some fall among thorns and get choked, while some fall on good soil and yielded a crop a hundred times more than was sown. So my attitude towards my dead seeds would be se la vie, and "Oh, but for the grace of my God go I". For it is possible that I too might have been like those unbelieving atheists, though such thoughts might be tempered by me not wishing to behave like the Pharisee who thinks he's better than a tax collector. And as I dust their dust off myself as I leave their presence, I would under my breath mutter, "My Lord my God, please forgive them for they know not what the heck they say". I would hardly be on Nairaland wasting my seeds by dropping them where they would get trampled, wither or choked by arguing that my God exists or not because I would be elsewhere doing the work that is most likely more pleasing to my Lord my God.

You say you don’t believe God, and you’re intermeddling with scriptures.
Yes I lack your knowledge, you work to acquire the knowledge that makes you know your God exists. — now you want to understand God’s wisdom with your own Wisdom which God has told you is foolish. Because you think you’re smart. What great folly.

frank317:
U have no power to make me believe in God. God has no word so I cannot believe in the one humans wrote. If God wants me to believe in him he knows what to do... Sending u to make believe is the baddest move from a so called all knowing creator.


Lol... Me denying his existence is a prove that he exist? I can see that u and ur God are now clutching on weak straw. His in existence and inability to act is now being explained by u as his mercies. Why Anni not surprised u are the one saying this? He did not reveall himself to me in anyway... Repeating lies will not make u credible. It will only make u a lair

Yes, and He has done the perfect thing, sending his word, it is left for you to believe and try it, if it works then it is true, if it fails then it is false. Simple. It is like this, I present his word, which any True witness can do, and if you CHOOSE to believe, then you accept it, but you can also choose to reject it.
I say again, He revealed himself through his word. I’ll again use the laws of physics, because it is physical, when given boyle’s law, can you say it has not be revealed to those it was taught in schools, it has, but then they choose to believe snd know it or choose to reject it, if it is not important to them. It is simple.

frank317:
I sumersulted 7 ... What? Should I have made it 12 to feel him?


Lol... Let's try

Oh yes, let’s try it together the right way. You don’t even have to try it a second time for you to feel him, if you did try him rightly the first time.

sonmvayina:
It is consistent with what the jews believes and what yoruba, igbos believe too..

Christianity is just plain bull sheet.. The new testament contradicts the old testament In so many places...
No saviour, if you sin ask God for forgiveness and he will forgive you. No human sacrifice is required or necessary..
Remember the story of Jonah and nineveh

Thanks for this story, I have 66 books in my bible.
Now if I give you the 98 procedures to prove Ohms law, and you jump to #43. And conclude that this law is bullshit. What is that?
These are the actions of a CRETIN
Now if I even start explaining with other passages, from Gen, exodus, isaiah, and others and even down to the New Testament, I do not know if you’ll believe, because you do not even believe in the book I’ll bring the explanation from.
Jugding a matter before approaching it.

So it doesn’t. The story of Jonah, depicts a repentant heart, but without a sanctified heart, because of the carnality of the natural man. We’ll go back. God doesn’t want that for us... then there came a normal man like you and me, who taught us and gave us a way for us not to go back. It is a dog that goes back to his vormit.
Now you profess, no savior, if no savior, then who forgives you. Who saves you? God. And that same God told you, He’ll make a way for you that, you won’t have to be going back to sin anymore. the story of Jonah, they knew God before, but they went back, (it is a thing of Choice)
They decided to believe the word of God, and it is that same Word that said Christ will come, live with us, and you seeing this offends you. If it offends you, it is your problem, because you do not understand it, so therefore it can be a bullshit to you. But it is not bullshit.
What you need to understand is the substance, what the place is trying to tell you, what it is about, not just the story.

frank317:
Mr Userx18 read the above. There are rumors like this all over the internet and libraries about the so called word of God u so cherish so much yet u wonder why I doubt u when u say things about this creator was supposedly wrote this book men are falsifying.

Since u are fond of believing everything why my exactly don't u believe the Koran is God's words?

Now what did you say rumors, have they been proven to be true, you see for so many years, simpletons and professors have tried to prove the word of God false, and it lead to nowhere. You doubt because you do not hold on to anything, then you fall for anything, I hold on to the word of God, and since they can’t prove it wrong, I still hold on to it and cherish it before it stands true, unlike the words of men, that today if it’s true, tomorrow it becomes false and they tell you, Oh it was an error and they upgrade/update it. But this word has stood and is still standing true and upright. So what evidence do i gave against it? None.

sonmvayina:
The bible is made up of 2 parts..The first part was written by the jews for their religion called Judaism.. They call it the Tanakh and it contains a lot more books in it, dealing with subjects ranging from reincarnation, death, birth etc.

The Romans stole or borrowed it from the jews, they removed some books from it and called it the old testament and added their own books at the end of it and calls it the new testament.. Together is what they call the Bible... The so called new testament has been proven to be forgery as it is not a continuation of the Tanakh..

In the Tanakh God is responsible for everything, both good and evil, not somethings like it is claimed in the new in the new, and certainly does not need a saviour..

My second point is that, it is same message In the stories.. Whether some decide to use Abraham, Isaac, Joseph or moses and some decide to use ogun, oromila or olokun... The message is consistent..

So you’re saying the message is consistent, but you believe it is a forgery, do you have the continuation of the old message and it is consistent, and contradicts the new testament. And does the old testament, say you do not need a savior, do you believe in the bible?

frank317:
I tried it and found out there is nothing like any creator who reveals himself to anyone... Even the so called people who claim they have tried and it revealed himself to them have absolutely nothing to show for it

Now how did you try?
I can boldly tell you, you tried it the wrong way, just like you going to carry out the pendulum ball experiment in wanting to verify boyle’s law. My fellow, it is folly. You tried it the wrong way. Let us try it together and then If it fails then we’ll agree that there’s no creator.

frank317:
So if u and ur fellow Christians do not want people to believe them why preach? Why ask me to come to their church, why ask me to repent or perish?
Lies Gods word is not anywhere... Which word? When did he write these word? Why should I believe things written by men and call it Gods words?
And if he revealed himself to everyone including me, why do I still doublet his existence? Why haven't I GM felt him?
Lol.. U are now a psychic.. U also know he revealed himself to me? See ur life.. If I say u are lying and even question ur sanity u will still be asking me why I am challenging u... How do I even believe someone who I am not sure is sane? U even have the boldness to lie and tell me to my face that this God that I seriously doubt his existence revealed himself to me. So u felt nothing like I did and u are busy proclaiming God revealed himself to u.

Yes of course, I can decide to doubt the existence of gravity. True christians preach the word for you to believe the word of God, not to believe their own words, nor come to their church,(when your heart is right, his word will lead you) I cannot force you to believe God’s word.
Even you denying the existence is a good proof that he exist, because Of his mercies, he still gives you a chance to proclaim your folly. (That God doesn’t exist)
He revealed himself to all men through His word. But you as a person decided to reject him.

frank317:
And why exactly should I believe u if u will continue using only words to prove urself?

Talk is cheap bro.. Saying some words makes sense does not mean those words make sense... U must show it.

What if u are lying? What if u are making things up to make urself look special or feel good?

Good! I said let me try and see the words if the are true, because the word tells me that, if I try this, I’ll see this, if I do this, this will happen.
Yes the word shows the evidence. But I just have to try it. How can you prove charle’s law makes sense, You have to try and follow the procedures, if I don’t try and follow the procedures and I say charle’s law is senseless, then I’m the one Senseless.

budaatum:
It's your "Please Be REASONABLE HERE!" That makes me jump in. I assume that if you can ask others to be reasonable then you are capable of reasonableness so please consider the following.

If say you do not believe in the existence of other planets and I told you there were 196, I expect you to ask me where they are and what are they called, despite your not believing in their existence. I also expect you to go do some further research too. My reason for thinking so is that I do not believe you are stupid enough to think that what you believe is the whole truth. And besides, you'd wish to correct my error, or won't you?

So yes, I would expect you to ask me about the 196 planets I claim exist. And if I insist, I expect to be challenged about my claim. If you don't challenge me, I might go and place my 196 planet claim on the school curriculum and teach my stupidity to your children. Trust me, you'd see the detriment of your not challenging me when your child starts repeating my 196 planet claim amongst intelligent people who know better. They may not correct your child, but they sure would form an opinion of said child based on an unverifiable 196 planet claim.


I think the issue here is your need to "argue" . Can I ask you to do me a temporary favour and consider that I am not arguing with you here, but "discussing" ? You are more likely to benefit me more by doing the latter rather than the former, and I thank you in advance. I'd also have wished to ask you to consider what you mean by "believe" , but I assume that's too much to ask. Consider the following however.

Imagine that when you asked me for evidence of my 196 planet claim, I answered with "I believe there are 196 planets", perhaps because I read about them in some book, would you not look at me funny? Now imagine you asked me to name them and I started with Earth, Mars, Ganymede, Jupiter, Callisto, Io, Amalthea, Elara, Saturn, Metise, Sinope, Europa etc, and name 196 bodies that I claim are heavenly. Wouldn't you see where my error lay if you knew where I got those 'planets' from?

One "discusses" with others in order to 'learn about', is my point here. "Believing" however, is the closing off of one's senses to contradictory evidence without considering whether any validity lay in the claim made. It is my opinion that if I were to behave in that way - not consider the opinion of others - then I must indeed be, or end up becoming, a stupid person.

That is true. If I knew where you got the ‘planets’ from and they are not planets, then Of course you’re wrong.
Now let us reason, I have the word of God, it stands true, there’s no lie in it. None can prove it false to me, if none can prove something false to you. Then it stands true until it fails, especially when none can prove it false, and i totally understand God’s character. And I see the word has never contradicted itself. If one is able to prove it false then I’ll know it is false. It’s all about reasoning and understanding.

sonmvayina:
The jews use Lord for this consciousness and also use different symbols for the other forces of nature, laws and principles.. For example, the symbol for wisdom is a woman, so a Virgin woman will mean divine wisdom and an Oloshoo will mean common wisdom or common sense.. Same also different numbers mean different things also.. The number 7 denotes perfection..

So the expression "7women" will mean something like perfect wisdom. Most of these stories are told using symbols and numbers.. And the stories told in form of parables and metaphors..

The fact that the jews decided to use names like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and moses does not make it any more superior to the Bini who decide to use ogun, oromila, olokun etc in their own stories and parables.. The bottom line is that the message in both story is consistent and the same.. Or the babylonian decides to use marduk Enlil, Inanna etc.. The message is the same..

It is the Romans who came later on in history and stole the Jewish scriptures and added their invented man God to basically deceive the world and lead this world to a dangerous and evil path.
They have now infected us with this bull sheet and taken us far away from the path of our ancestors..

Since then we have not known peace and prosperity..

We have to find our way back to our roots and heritage.. That is the only way we can blossom.

I do not understand if you’re talking about the bible, please make me understand.
If yes, have you seen an inconsistency? If yes please point it out.

If (no) End;

budaatum:
I often suspect that when believers are asking one to believe, they actually do not mean "believe in God" , but believe them! Why should anyone believe God revealed himself to you? Of what business is it of anyone whether God revealed himself to you or not? In fact, why are you here telling anyone that God revealed himself to you? Is it because you are more worthy of being revealed to?

If God revealed himself to me, he'd probably be doing so for a reason, and I suspect that reason would be way more than my merely proclaiming it on Nairaland. I'd expect something like "buda go and cure the world from poverty, or death" in fact. And if I were to ask for the power to do so, which I would, I expect to be given a rod and an Aaron to assist me. Anything less is probably me hallucinating or blatantly lying! And if I am asking people to believe in my lies, then my intention can only be so I can make them stupid and exploitable.

There’s something you’re not getting, I do not ask for you to believe me. His word is there. God has revealed himself to everyone, it is left for you to choose to believe it or reject it. You’re to believe his word not mine. His word stands true. Because you do not even believe nor understand the God, for this selfsame reason will you bring such examples. I didn’t tell a lie to you. God has revealed himself to me, I believed, that made me a believer, he revealed himself to you, and you reject it and even say he doesn’t exist, that makes you an Unbeliever.
His word is true, since there’s no lie in it, I have no reason to reject it.

frank317:
If I tell u a three headed red elephant revealed he created everything will u believe me or doubt me or ask me how?
Should I consider u foolish for not believe, or for doubting or for asking how?

Good thought, you see this is what I stand by, this is what I hold on, The Word of God. It stands true, it always stand true. There’s no lie in it. So I’m different from you, i do not believe in a nonsensical thing. It makes absolute sense.

tintingz:
Are you being reasonable when you argue with Muslims in the first place, are you reasonable thinking your religion is the truth and where salvation is?

You are just being hypocritical in your argument.

Your arguments are flawed, you have no point.

Did you see me arguing with a Muslim about his religion, you are using “the people who you think are Christians, to judge me”

Now, i can say my religion is the truth and where salvation is, I’ll bring facts and proofs. (To such a one that believes in the existence of God)

tintingz:
You are still going strawman, Christians are not few, are you saying Buddhists are much than Christians? I don't understand you.

Secondly, you don't even know if I was in a religion before, you're just making fallacious statement.

Christians are few, because I know who a Christian is, The ones you see most often are false Christians. Christians are few in this world today.

Do you even know the definition of a Christian...?

frank317:
I don't get it... When u say God exists... Di u also mean he created me or just u alone?
Oga how did the God that created the two of us reveal himself to u.
Since u don't believe a three headed red elephant exists why did u ask me those questions u asked about it?


For ur mind people who don't believe in something can never be convinced? What are u even about? Do u even understand the word 'prove'


It's only when it comes to God u guys bring in a lot of useless gimmiks and play around words. Every day scientists use experiments to prove their findings to doubters... If everybody believe in everything what then is the need of proving anything to anyone at all?


Oga we talking about a creator who created us all... Stop making him sound petty with silly excuses. Isn't it quite pathetic that thus so called creator requires u to prove him to me in the first place?

Of course he created Everything.
If I tell you how God revealed himself to me, are you going to believe? Because you don’t believe what Revealed himself to me even exists. If I tell you, will you believe, or you just want find pleasure in disputing emptiness.

They can only be convinced when they open their mind, they can only be convinced if they’re courageous, cowards and fools cannot be convinced, because a Fool thinks in his heart that He is the wisest.
What are the useless gimmicks I brought in.
No..He requires me to prove to you that it is folly, that there are evidences of his existence and yet you disaprove it.

You are yet to know you do not believe in anythinf. You do not hold on to anything.

tintingz:
Oga why are you going strawman?

I comment jeje and you quoted me and ask questions if I've tried God and intervene, if I know his laws and character bla bla bla and I ask which God are you talking about and you are going strawman.

I've seen Christians arguing with Muslims about Allah they don't believe in and vice versa, I've seen people arguing about comic superheroes characters they believe doesn't exist, so oga I'm not getting your point, what you don't get is these things are public matters, there's no law stopping you from arguing, debating or have interest in them, I personally have interest in philosophical, theological debates.

Even after reading the Q’uran, they’ll tell me I don’t understand it the way they do(which of course might be true) Then I’ll bring some true facts about (salvation) they can’t deny then if they don’t accept, I’ll leave them.
So I’m not stoping you from arguing anything, just be reasonable when arguing. One who desires not to reason, such one shouldn’t bother debating. It is folly.

tintingz:
Oga why are you going strawman?

I comment jeje and you quoted me and ask questions if I've tried God and intervene, if I know his laws and character bla bla bla and I ask which God are you talking about and you are going strawman.

I've seen Christians arguing with Muslims about Allah they don't believe in and vice versa, I've seen people arguing about comic superheroes characters they believe doesn't exist, so oga I'm not getting your point, what you don't get is these things are public matters, there's no law stopping you from arguing, debating or have interest in them, I personally have interest in philosophical, theological debates.

No I’m not going strawman, the people you call Christians, I don’t know them, Christians are not very much, just they way you think, they are few, take a look at it, you don’t believe the Q’uran, you don’t believe in their various washings, and cleansing, you do not know what their beliefs is all about, and you argue it with them, is that reasonabl, what makes one a little wise is the ability to reason. Whether right or wrong. Please just try and reason. It’s blind arguing what you don’t know about.

Butterflyleo:
Indeed it is extreme folly my brother. With one mouth they claim God does not exist and with the same mouth they demand for evidence for the same God whom they already declared does not exist.

Its shocking oo to say the least.

For something not to exist it means it is totally erased from ones subconscious and not even to be thought about but these guys spend the bulk of their time demanding for evidence all over the place yet claiming God does not exist at the same time. So if something does not exist, what evidence would they then recognise as coming from that non existent God?

Since they claim God does not exist, this also means that evidence for the same God should also not exist right? So where would anyone manufacture a non existent evidence for a non existent God from?

They really do think themselves to be wise while all they do is display their folly everywhere.

Point made.

sharpguy10:
When you born again, three things happen in you. Your Spirit was completely change into the image of God. Your soul also was change and is your responsibility to develop it that is your mental and emotional state. Your body was also redeem by God through Jesus Christ. But your body will be transform when Jesus come. Like what 1 Cor. 15 says, in a moment and in a twinkling of an eye, we will be change. It is our body that will be change at that moment.

From these words, you’re not A CHRISTIAN!

sharpguy10:
When you born again, three things happen in you. Your Spirit was completely change into the image of God. Your soul also was change and is your responsibility to develop it that is your mental and emotional state. Your body was also redeem by God through Jesus Christ. But your body will be transform when Jesus come. Like what 1 Cor. 15 says, in a moment and in a twinkling of an eye, we will be change. It is our body that will be change at that moment.

This is why atheists are becoming more and more everyday, because of “these false gospels” our body that has been condemned. We “will” be changed, and then you interpret the bible with your own wisdom. If our body was redeemed ny Jesus, why did he suffer, why did he die? Why did he say we must suffer if we will also live with christ?
How is your soul changed?
Where did you get all these from, is it from the bible?
Please show me places in the bible, because when discussing about the world of God, do not go outside of it. Dwell in it, don’t mix it. Don’t intermeddle with it.

CAPSLOCKED:

WHAT TRUTH...
THAT THERE'S AN INVISIBLE BEING UP IN THE SKY THAT WE ALL SHOULD FEAR AND WORSHIP..... AND THAT HIS MESSENGERS NEED OUR MONEY? HAHAHAHA

Oh I get you, those are Not his messengers, they too, don’t believe in God. If you believe in God, you’ll fear him, if you fear him, you’ll reverence him, if you do, then you’ll regard and respect him. They Don’t. They are anti-Christ. They are UNBELIEVERS, I might as well call them atheist.
They can also be called False prophets, false teachers, who teach false gospel. Do not Marvel at this.

Butterflyleo:
At your words in bold, I have been saying the same thing over and over to them but they are always unable to see how unreasonable and illogical they look whenever they say such things.

Even Mahatma Ghandi made the same observation and I quote


"It amazes me to find an intelligent person who fights against something which he does not at all believe exists." --mahatma Gandhi

This is the definition of Folly.
It is the evidence of God’s existence. They are foolish, God is very mercify, to even allow them which proclaim there is no God to be alive, unto this day.
“Only a fool says in his heart, there is no God”

That is why the wisdom of man, is absolutely foolishness is the eyes of God.
What we are getting wrong is that, they are not really intelligent, they represent folly and cowardice.

Do you not know it takes great Courage to believe in God..