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Gbadebo19:
You better plead the fifth now or else.....😂😂😂😂😂

Abu make I nominate Trump for Nobel prize ni 😂

dvkot:
Why keep seeking Europe approval if you want the war to end?

The war is happening in Europe not America, the Europeans were supposed to lead the negotiations but since they're currently divided, the Americans are taking charge of their affairs.
The Americans shouldn't even be involved in ending this war, it's Europe's war, they should have a say.

FoolishBoy419:
This doesn't make sense. Care to explain please?
If I'm not misunderstanding, you're essentially saying regardless of the conduct of your country and that of other countries, you have to be in full support of your country and be indifferent about others before you can claim to have intergrity. That sounds very absurd to me.

It doesn't seem you followed why integrity was brought into the question, the writer guy said he can't sell his soul for money or visa, isn't that rich coming from someone advocating for another country for a fee.
The last disagreement I had here was with Gbadebo, I'm certain you're aware, he defended the Nigerian army til the very end, I was forced to give up.
Does that mean he supports everything the Nigerian army does ? No, he was being patriotic ( I hope )

When we criticize a country for it actions, I want to believe we all do that in hope the country does better and not a case of giving a dog a bad name just to hang it.
I hope that's lucid enough.

Alamkiir:
OK 👍No wahala oh......
But brother we are not kids, your tone changed slightly though.

My tone didn't change, I made it clear since inception
The only people I advocate for are Nigerians and the African continent, the rest nor too concern me.

The Writerng guy refused to read the rest of my first statement, he only read the part where I said the US under president Nixon opened up the Chinese markets to the world, he didn't bother to read the part I said, the protectionist policy caused the great depression, it seems he doesn't like any part of history that pointed out any good the US did.

You can't claim integrity if you advocate for a foreign government.
Does the foreign policy of Nigeria aligns with Russia ? Lai Lai

obedience4:
Anytime anyone who goes against the "Powers that be" on the thread, the next thing is to tag "looking for visa"

There seems to be alot of persons here which can be tagged to have a seriously disordered state of mind.

One dimensional thinking at it peak.
How's this any different from Righteousness thread he has been criticizing ?

obedience4:
I was enjoying my time away from the thread, now you have brought me back into play!!

Foreign agents!!!
😂😂😂

You both advocate for foreign government
No be lie now 😂 😂

WritterNg:
Lmaooooo!!!

As for me no amount of visa or money will make me turn a blind eye to the evil perpetrated by the West & Israel.

They can sell their conscience if they like, but i stand firm on my h@te for the west.

What about the evil perpetrated by Russia ?
How are you different from Obidience4 that you criticize ?
You both are definitely foreign agents

WritterNg:
No one asked for that long article. No one cares what good they have done in the past.

What matters is what they're doing right now.

You see something that ain't right, you condemn it and keep moving.

If you can't read, you might as well keep moving

Alamkiir:
You dey observe am in 3d 🤣🤣🤣.
What I will like to know is what motivate this change suddenly. Because nothing wey visa no fit cause

What change are you talking about ?
Bro I have said it repeatedly here, I'm not for Russia or the US, I'm Pan- African.

Just because I choose not to agree with you means I'm in search of Visa.
If that's your opinion, how's this thread different from the Righteousness guy's thread ?

Mikasaobi:
I did, but wanted to give a small explanation before saying the tariffs are not meant to bring back manufacturing jobs, they are meant to pay down the debt. And the economic system is flourishing because of debt.

How sustainable do you think it's in the long run ?
The manufacturing jobs aren't coming back to the US, not for a long time.

WritterNg:
It's the same for every of his posts about the US.

If it was Russia, he'll go straight ahead to condemning them. No beating around the bush.

But since it's the US, he'll write long articles about how the US built and became the savior of world before even condemning what they did. Even if they kill a million people.

I just dey observe am since.

Bro chill

I specifically asked you what part is unclear to you ?
If you're going to denigrate any country, the least you can do is pick a book or two about it, learn their strength as well as their weakness.

I believe things should be made simple not simpler, for the sake of this conversation I'll try to make it more lucid.

I made reference to a point in history when the US adopted the protectionist agenda, everything I said is fact, if you think otherwise just point out a lie and I'll unreservedly recant.

The Protectionist policy of the 1920s was effective until the 30s, the protectionist policy also played a huge part in the great depression, a period of economic hardship for the US.

Ever since the great depression, the US has championed the free trade movement and Trump going back to endorse the protectionist policy again is the opposite of what the world needs.

The current economic model the US runs is nothing short of an enigma, how sustainable it is in the long run is something we all should look forward to, more bloated or bust, we'll see.

WritterNg:
Are you making excuses for them or condemning them?

What part is not clear enough ?

WritterNg:
⚡Trump says he will be "substantially" raising Indian tariffs, as they are buying "massive amounts of Russian Oil" and selling it to the "Open Market for big profits."

The US was the heart and soul of the free trade movement during the 70s, the US can be solely credited for opening up the Chinese markets to the world. President Nixon laid the groundwork with Shanghai Communique.

The US has a large economically attractive market, economically attractive in the sense that a larger percentage of it populations are high earners, this means there's a need to encourage and promote home made products.

How the current economic system continues to not only work but flourish is an enigma ? I don't know how sustainable it is in the long run.

Enter the protectionist policy

The need to promote and encourage home made products led to the US protectionist policy during the 20s.
"The 1920s US auto industry boom was significantly influenced by protectionist policies. While not the sole driver, the imposition of high import tariffs on foreign cars, starting with the Fordney-McCumber Tariff Act of 1922, shielded the domestic industry from international competition, allowing it to flourish. This protection, coupled with mass production techniques and increased consumer spending, fueled the rapid growth of the American automobile market. "

The protectionist policy encouraged all sectors of the US economy and it contributed to the early economic boom in the 20s.

This policy also partly contributed to the great depression due to retaliatory tariffs.

Why would the US want to go down that road again ?

WritterNg:
😂 🤣 😭 🤣 😂 🤣 😭


🤡 🤡 🇺🇸 🤡 🤡

🇷🇺 🐻 ❤️

You too like wahala 😂

WritterNg:
⚡Europe’s 6th-gen fighter jet project FCAS is on the brink of collapse

The €100 billion Future Combat Air System (FCAS) — Europe’s most ambitious defense project — is unraveling due to a leadership and industrial split between Germany and France.

Airbus Defence CEO Michael Schöllhorn just fired a blunt warning to German Chancellor Merz:

“Unless we return to the agreed principles and actually implement them, we no longer see a basis for continuing FCAS.”

The main issues?

Dassault vs Airbus: Dassault wants to lead the NGF jet as main contractor (citing Rafale experience), while Airbus demands fair industrial share.

IP rights: Germany wants full access to tech. France isn’t budging.

Another case just like the Euro fighter typhoon, the French have proven themselves with the Dassault Rafale, sometimes it's better to go solo.
I was actually looking forward to this masterpiece, it would have been a game changer to see the FCAS come to life.

Obedience40:
Mate, allow the impressive Usmanpogo be, cut him some slack, At least he was able to tell us that the activities and the actions of Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis constitute terrorism. That's fair!!, we can build from there.

"Sinwar" is a very sensitive subject on this thread, this is man who is seen as a "hero" to alot folks here, he needs to play it safe, you have to remember that we are the minority on the thread, and the mob don't care if you are liberal or not they will come for whoever doesn't see things they way they do

No need to question his sincerity, his integrity is still100% valid, he is a man of candour, who certainly "knows how many beans make five".

Gracias

Obedience40:
So Syrian government officials visited Moscow!! suddenly the syrians are no longer "terrorists"
again?? Which country allows "terrorists" into her country on official visits.
😀😀🤣🤣😂🤣😂

usmanpogo hope you can see the hypocrisy!!

Our friends will soon tell us that Russia will bomb Israel in the next two years because of this visit
😀😀😀

The terrorist regime in Syria has sent delegations to Moscow to grovel at the feet of the Russians. Should this cooperation proceed any further, it would mean Russia not only endorse terrorists ( considering all the fight and sacrifices against ISIS in the past ) but also is an unreliable ally for selling out Assad.

Lastly, Russia would never do anything to undermine Israel's political ambitions in Syria or elsewhere.

Gbadebo19:
Lol, 🤣🤣 Pleading the fifth on Yahya Sinwar puts serious questions on the sincerity of your admission of Hamas, Hezbollah et al as terror organizations.

There is nothing incriminating about it.

I plead the 5th 😂

Obedience40:
Let me bring in usmanpogo into the fray since he is one of the genuine "non-aligned" individuals here, and he seems to command respect from both sides of the divide.

Usmanpogo, is Sinwar the mastermind of the attacks against Israel on October 11 a terrorist?? YES OR NO

Usmanpogo, do hazebolla, Hamas, and the Houthis fit the description of what a terrorist group is?? YES OR NO

These groups employ measures that can be easily translated as terrorism, calling them anything less would mean being economical with the truth.

On Yahya Sinwar, I plead the 5th.

Gbadebo19:
You are just giving me several definitions to hide the fact that those killings were never war crimes. Simple.... We went from terrorism to war crime and to extra judicial killings
Bro, this ride is getting wild.

In conclusion, your evidence does not substantiate your claim of the NA deliberately harming civilians in their fight against BH. There is simply no evidence of them committing war crime during their fight against BH. That doesn't mean I do not condemn their atrocities against the Ogoni 9 or the Odi massacre. Let's be factual.

You kept shifting the goal post, criticism is supposed to make us do better. Criticizing the NA is not unpatriotic but a measure to set a standard professionalism within our armed forces.
Personally, I believe the Nigerian army is complicit in war crimes, it appears you share other opinion perhaps out of being a patriotic citizens.

We both want the best for the NA, that's all that matters.
I'll leave you with my personal motto, For the love of God and Country.

Gbadebo19:
Bro, I want to believe you did not properly digest this report.
I read this entire report and saw this. Apparently, those slaughtered were captured together with Boko Haram members during an attack on a military barrack. Bro, are you kidding me? Which innocent civilian joins hands with terrorists to go and attack a military barrack?
They are either sympathizers or Boko Haram members themselves. This should not even be a question.

I hope you're familiar with the term extrajudicial killing, I don't understand why you're working tirelessly to prove or whitewash the atrocities of the NA. Credible media outlets have repeatedly called them out for it.

An extrajudicial killing is the deliberate killing of a person without the lawful authority granted by a judicial proceeding.

Gbadebo19:
This Aljazeera link shows: "page not found" 🤣🤣

Nevertheless, I'm certain you got the point, it's clear as day the Nigerian army committed war crimes, the media space is awashed with evidences to corroborate my stance.

😊

Gbadebo19:
You are very funny bro.
If anybody makes a submission I consider serious here, I will verify. I don't swallow anything hook, line and sinker.
I went through Amnesty International website and particular the section about Nigeria. The last report they made about Nigeria was made on July 10 and it has zero correlation with what you stated on here.
I am not absolving NA of war crimes and there is every reason to initially view them as war criminals based on what they have done before, that will definitely not mean that every subsequent operation carried out by them will be a war crime. No, no, no.

Two days ago
An Amotekun operative identified as Samuel Tope has been killed during a bloody clash with a soldier in Ijeda Ijesa community of Osun State

[url]https://www.aa.com.tr/en/life/amnesty-accuses-nigerian-army-of-extra-judicial-killings/134172 [/url]

Gbadebo19:
You are very funny bro.
If anybody makes a submission I consider serious here, I will verify. I don't swallow anything hook, line and sinker.
I went through Amnesty International website and particular the section about Nigeria. The last report they made about Nigeria was made on July 10 and it has zero correlation with what you stated on here.
I am not absolving NA of war crimes and there is every reason to initially view them as war criminals based on what they have done before, that will definitely not mean that every subsequent operation carried out by them will be a war crime. No, no, no.

[url] https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2010/2/9/video-shows-nigeria-executions/url]

Gbadebo19:
You are very funny bro.
If anybody makes a submission I consider serious here, I will verify. I don't swallow anything hook, line and sinker.
I went through Amnesty International website and particular the section about Nigeria. The last report they made about Nigeria was made on July 10 and it has zero correlation with what you stated on here.
I am not absolving NA of war crimes and there is every reason to initially view them as war criminals based on what they have done before, that will definitely not mean that every subsequent operation carried out by them will be a war crime. No, no, no.

Gbadebo19:
I perfectly understand you brother. But one thing is clear. The fact that the Nigerian army did so and so in the south south and some other places does not mean every action of theirs is a war crime. Okay, Russia commits war crime in Ukraine, does that mean they will commit war crime in every subsequent operation?
We can't stick to the Gaza Issue. There is no single situation in the world right now that is a first of its kind. While they may not be totally identical, there will be similarities and I need you to answer specifically if Nigerian army deliberately harmed innocent civilians while fighting Boko Haram (as per your simplest definition of war crime)

I see this as an attempt to evade a very important question that can be used to determine whether IDF is actually committing war crimes in Gaza or not.

You said you wanted instances the Nigerian army targeted civilians, I gave you three such scenarios that was well documented.

The last instance, cited the Nigerian army extrajudicially killing people after the fighting was over during a campaign against Boko haram, it's all over the media space. I even went further to included a date to make it easy for you to search for it.

Gbadebo19:
And right here is you doing exactly the same thing you accused Mr Obedience4 of just yesternight. I specifically asked you about Russia, you lumped Russia and Ukraine. The same "whataboutism" you preached against just less than 24 hours ago.

I don't understand the intent of this quote bro, that was not an accusations, both Russia and Ukraine committed war crimes.
I hope you know targeting civilian infrastructures is also considered war crimes, the Russians are doing that daily.
The Ukrainians killed civilians deliberately in Kursk, it's all over there news.

Gbadebo19:
I specifically love this part of your response.
Has there been a deliberate attempt to harm civilians by the Nigerian military in the fight against Boko haram? I will like instances please. I am particular about that word "deliberate" and let's not forget that you have said the Nigerian army and war crimes are bread and butter.

Bro stick to the Gaza issue, enough with the counter-accusations.
Yes I said the Nigerian army is guilty of war crimes, are going to whitewash that too ?

The ogoniland case has been swept under the carpet, I hope you won't try to tarnish the image of Honorable Ken Saro-Wiwa by absolving the Nigerian army of that .
Another well documented instance is the 2014 report by Amnesty international.

"We have consistently been saying the Nigerian government needs to ensure that the culture of impunity which is entrenched within the Nigerian security services is addressed immediately," Netsanet Belay, AI's African Director, told Anadolu Agency.

"Investigation must be conducted and those found to have (committed) such atrocities must be held accountable," he said.

In a report released Tuesday Amnesty said it had obtained video footage showing civilian detainees being slaughtered by a combined team of soldiers and members of the government-backed Civilian Joint Task Force (CJTF) vigilante group.

"The footage, obtained from numerous sources during a recent trip to Borno state, reveals graphic evidence of multiple war crimes being carried out in Nigeria," it said. "

Another report by Al Jazeera in Feb 2010
"Nigerian police and military units carried out extra-judicial killings last year in the aftermath of clashes with members of a Muslim group in the north of the country, footage obtained by Al Jazeera appears to confirm.

An estimated 1,000 people were killed as Nigerian government forces fought Boko Haram in Borno, Yobe, Kano and Bauchi states in July and August of 2009.

But the footage obtained by Al Jazeera shows that many of the deaths occurred only after the fighting was over.

"

The media space is filled to the brim containing war crimes committed by the Nigerian army.
Funny you mentioned Nigerian army

Obedience40:
let me start by saying that throughout history, there hasn't been any major military campaign where there haven't been cases of war crimes committed by combatants, No country in the world who has fought any major war is immune to this, war crimes are bound to happen whenever there's a major military operations being carried out.

Now regarding the iDF in Gaza, it is on record that cases of war crimes have been committed by some members of the IDF, these are unilateral actions by some members of the iDf, these unilateral actions do not represent the official mandate of the IDf, every one knows that the IDF are the only military that gives notice before carrying out military strikes, the iDf has conducted herself in professional way during the course of the war in Gaza

It is also on record that the IDF leadership and the Israeli government had convicted IDF troops found to be culpable with acts deemed to be against international laws as it relates to the rules of engagement.

In conclusion there have been some cases of iDf troops committing crimes, that could be passed as war crimes, but that is a far cry from the genocide that is being falsely propagated by some folks here.

P.s ,I have never seen you call out those who supports the acts by Hamas, Hazebolla and the Houthis

Finally, you agree they committed war crimes, that's all that matters.

Gbadebo19:
The best way to answer your question is to first of all ask: "Has the Nigerian army committed war crimes in its fight against Boko Haram?"

It is not necessary to go about on a needless explanation. It is likely Israel has committed war crimes in Gaza..........continue reading. I hope you will not be among those who pick one line from a whole argument and discard the rest like freakyamanda

The truth is that it is difficult to come to a conclusion on whether Israel has committed war crimes in Gaza. War crimes is not just about killing 10, 20 civilians and even in the case of Gaza, 1000 civilian deaths is not likely to qualify as war crimes. That is a brutal fact. We have seen people who have been journalists in the day and Hamas fighters at night. We have seen the activities of UNRWA members in this whole shenanigan. And that is exactly why pro Israel and and pro western supporters down play what you seem to take serious.

You are fighting Hamas and a population that is largely sympathetic to Hamas. A faceless group that will never come out and identify themselves as Hamas members when there is a battle. A group that has no battle line and will never ever employ conventional tactics to fight a battle. Citizens hide Hamas fighters, maybe out of fear or anything else, I wouldn't know. Talk about starvation, there have been confirmed reports of Hamas members or its proxies looting aid trucks. If those ones are prevented from assessing the aid, we shout starvation of the citizens. Was the aid ever meant for Hamas in the first instance? All these things make it difficult to say with certainty that Israel has committed war crimes in Gaza.

Israel fought against Iran, no one said anything about genocide. As Israel systematically dismantled Hezbollah leadership, there were no cries of genocide. The reason is simple. There were targets that could be isolated from ordinary civilians. This is not the case in Gaza. Hamas fighters are invisible. Nobody writes Hamas on their foreheads. A 12 year old or a woman could scream "help me" and run into the midst of soldiers for protection only to wield out a Kalashnikov and slaughter 10 to 20 soldiers. America learnt that the hard way in Afghanistan. Yet, somehow, war analysts on Nairaland expect a soldier who has milliseconds to decide between his life and death to spend time deciding who is Hamas or not? Like seriously?

And that's exactly why I asked if the Nigerian army has committed war crimes in its fight against Boko Haram. Both are very similar situations.

If I agree that Israel has committed war crimes in Gaza, then I will have to agree that the Nigerian army has also committed war crimes in the north east.

Moving on, there is another question I will like you to answer. Has Russia committed war crimes in Ukraine? In this instance, we have ordinary citizens who can clearly be differentiated from the armed forces but which Russia has repeatedly attacked and killed. If Israel and Russia were to be arraigned in the ICC and convicted, there is no doubt Israel will get a lesser conviction than Russia. It's not about bias, it is what the situation required.

What do you say?

Are you kidding right now ? The Nigerian army and war crimes are like bread and butter, they go hand-in -hand.
A deliberate attempt to arm civilian is the simplest definition of war crimes, I asked for an unbiased opinion on the IDF misconducts in Gaza and you churn out more counter-accusations.

Finally, Russia and Ukraine committed war crimes in the on going SMO. I openly condemned both parties.

Are you willing to do the same about the IDF misconducts in Gaza ?

obedience4:
There I go with what now??, this is the hypocrisy I keep talking about on the thread, if you wanna call out persons then let it be a general thing, if Jolani is a terrorist what shall will call Hamas, Hazebolla and the Houthis?? Freedom fighters??
You are always quick to call out persons outside the pro Russian horde, dude majority of our friends here supports Hamas, Hazebolla and the Houthis, I haven't seen your rebuttals directed against them

Try and read my correspondence here, I supports Jolani removing Assad, not going around killing and kidnapping civilians, I don't support killing and kidnapping of civilians, wasn't on this same thread someone called Sinwar the mastermind of the act which killed dozens of civilians a hero??, where you not here when persons celebrated the Houthis sinking of a civilian vessel which resulted in fatalities??

So if you wanna be the thin line between the two faction here then you shouldn't be bias with your criticism.

p.s Not that i give a damm about your opinion about me but try and be transparent with your criticism, "what's good for the goose is good for the gander"

I hold no prejudice against any group, I call it like I see it. While terrorism is typically associated with non-state actors.
It is a well established facts the Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas employ measures that can be translated as terrorism, anyone that says otherwise is just being naive.

Speaking transparently, do you agree Israel has committed war crimes in Gaza ?

For once, give an unbiased opinion.

obedience4:
Please which terrorist elements??

Also how come you are not critical of individuals supporting Hamas, Hazebolla and Houthis, or are these not terrorist groups??

There you go with the whataboutism!!!

I'm certain you only have problems with these groups because they're working against the US/Israeli's interest, if you can openly endorse Jolani, then all hope is not lost for Naim Qassem.

The JNiM is an offshoot of Al Qeada, a well known terrorist organization, yet you see no problem with supporting them.

Perhaps the definition of terrorism keeps changing in your dictionary, that would be the only logical explanation.