fratermathy:


You just want to talk, as I can see. But I'll humour you with some honourable mentions of UPU as the main Urhobo policy making organ:

My initial post first:

https://www.nairaland.com/post/56939311


https://www.nairaland.com/3825074/ipob-begs-urhobos-isokos-observe/1#56940847


https://www.nairaland.com/3825074/ipob-begs-urhobos-isokos-observe/7#56944219


https://www.nairaland.com/3825074/ipob-begs-urhobos-isokos-observe/17#56956166


https://www.nairaland.com/3825074/ipob-begs-urhobos-isokos-observe/16#56953790

But you did not agree that there were other leaders that could have a say in urhobo!

Amberon:
A referendum will not be conducted on our soil because we didn't ask for one. Did Wales take part in the Scottish referendum?

I don't have any problem with that,so long as it comes from the heart of the people and their real leaders,and not some political stooges planted by the quota system overseers!

fratermathy:


Nothing is wrong with the title. Titles are meant to draw attention to a thread. It is better for me if a lot of persons view this thread. If using titles that draw attention cuts it, then I'm game.

Secondly, the title is not wrong. Afterall, IPOB did plead that Urhobos should observe the May 30th sit-at-home as the quoted post indicated. As I remember, it was IPOB that championed this sit-at-home. Anyone asking another group to observe it is invariably echoing IPOB's decision.

Lie,you had a ridiculous intention and it backfired!

A simple "urhobo disassociate from Biafra" would have done it,but you chose to ridicule and attributed the article to IPOB!

NIGHTMAREOO7:


Yea I noticed.. i knew her quite well befor and i used to respect her.
The truth is...SHE WAS DEFEATED MENTALLY!.
By the daily rants she reads here everydayby biafran enemies...
Gals on this forum like Ngozi Reether Adadike.
Are they girls i know who be cant downed.
They are real igbo gals from. Either from abia imo enugu ebonyi and anambra.

I learnt recently that amarabae is not pure igbo shez from asa in ph or whateva she calls it.
Thats d reason for d weakness.. so i wnt blame her much.
In whateva u do in life u must first have mental strenght very important.

Exactly,she couldn't take the "leave us alone" talk from the minorities no one was forcing...she should have simply stayed on the sidelines instead of openly disagreeing with people that fighting for same thing,though I understand her to an extent,but not everything one says.

fratermathy:


And was there ever a time when I said UPU is not the apex group in Urhobo? Or you just want to talk?

Point out where you specified that UPU is the apex group before you started talking about other leaders having say.

fratermathy:


And I guess Mr. Okafor's statement that Urhobos/Isokos are Biafrans is not an association that needs to be disassociated?

Mind you; UPU is the apex group. Even if other groups/persons speak out, UPU is regarded as the primus!

He don shift post again!

@fratermathy,If the aim of this thread was to disassociate from biafra,why did you create it with a ridiculous title?

fratermathy:


Urhobo Progressive Union (UPU) is above politics. It was organised by the foremost Urhobo nationalist, Mukoro Mowoe and has always served the interest of the Urhobo since the 1920s. Whatever UPU says is ratified by all Urhobo polities because we follow a duly democratic process of decision making. The UPU PG of every clan represents such clan in this process and every clan gets to vote on decisions before they are finally voted upon by the UPU NEC, much like the American Electoral College system.

So as you can see, UPU doesn't come out to make blanket statements to force all Urhobos into something. They make well-thought statements after proper consultations. While it is true that politics cannot be separated from unions such as this, rest assured that their primary allegiance is to the Urhobo people and they serve our interest effectively.

If we want a referendum or anything, the whole world will hear it from UPU and if UPU doesn't even say it, we have thousands of Urhobo leaders, monarchs and what-have-we that can speak out.

Good,since you know there are other groups/leaders that can speak for you,why are you so in a hurry to cling on UPU?
You are the desperate one trying to disassociate with a group you were never associated with before,and that's the reason you created the thread!

Mujtahida:

Enjoy the analysis. Na tonic in this desert of hate.
We no need dey same my Bro. Chelsea and Arsenal dey play, you belong to one, I belong to another but let's enjoy the match.

But in truth I want a Nigeria that works for all IF that is possible to have. That's the Nigeria of my dreams. I grew up on the Airforce Base Makurdi. All the Ethnic groups lived in harmony. I swear. People fight ooo but not on ethnic, tribal grounds. I think we can recreate such a just and fair working scheme on a larger scale.
Cheers.

I can also go with a restructured Nigeria where everyone controls their resources.but what happens when other groups are making the struggle difficult,even when it doesn't concern them?

Take for example,some Yorubas went as far as calling for the death of NK while he was in prison simply because he excercised his right to self determination....the truth is deep down inside we Igbos,we clamour for Biafra because we believe if we don't get,we will get a restructured Nigeria,that's just the truth.

jollymizzle:
yea it's funny, funny that you and your people decided to attack the op because he and his people want nothing to do with biafra. Your comments such as your call for referendum on urhobo land is one of the funniest btw

I did not call for a referendum on urhobo soil,I only emphasized on the fact that,it's those benefiting from the status quo,the political stoogs like UPU claiming to be mouth piece am not comfortable with!

When the people speak,we will surely respect their opinion and not that of politically motivated groups!

Men don wise finish o,see as people just Dey stylishly escape ban with "intelligent insults" we no break rule

Mujtahida:

Shey I tell you.

Even though e be like say we no Dey same page,that your literature analysis eh

This thread funny die

fratermathy:


What's the connection between Ikwerre and its elders to this thread?

The word "minority"

GavelSlam:

So if all ibo people are successful in Nigeria how then arrange they marginalised?

No one is born successful,you work for success!
Even if you were born successful,you still work to keep it....Igbos worked for where Dey find themselves today.so marginalization or not,who go survive go survive.

HungerBAD:
Lol.

Confused people. Jokers.

Alcatraz005 come and see your brothers o,no be say later now Una go begin open threads upandan Dey shout Igbo hate.

DocHMD:
prowalker and frathermathy my ewedu-loving 'bloodas', don't you think it's time to pray harder to Allah so that Ikwerre will hate Biafra and unite with your skulls in the spirit of 'one nigeria' unity?

No they should pray harder so ikwerre will start speaking Yoruba language other than Igbo...Na because them no Dey travel Na I'm cause am

Eh

DocHMD:
yelubass come and beg me for unity as you run from your brothers in benin republic.

I think those people migrated from Sudan o

EvilUnityBeggars:
Vayne

When ND people take back their oil wells, Afonjas will be poorer than Togo and Benin

No,they are going back to Sudan,where they migrated from

People Dey talk,even those wey no get anything Dey talk,no strength to fight for even a restructured Nigeria where they will benefit from,NO....yet loyal pass slaves to awusafulani!

Una still dey hear when ikwerre elders Dey speak

https://www.nairaland.com/3825757/ikwerre-elders-say-biafrans#56951924

This is what I was trying to tell fraternaty yesterday that there are always a handful of people in every group/tribe/country that share a different view!

You call the elites who are enjoying the status quo and will do anything protect their interest even at the detriment of the masses!we can see clearly how these ikwerre elders are speaking for their people and you have to respect their stand!

As for me,even if it's only the 5 states than can creat b1afra,so be it,am cool with that,but don't go about trying to speak for others..

It's the few vocal minority that are trying to speak for the quiet majority here!

That's how roll,not like some people!

EvilUnityBeggars:


Hausa Fulani people control the oil wells of the Urhobos because they are slaves

Slaves have no control over their oil

you dey mind them?they are just the few vocal minority.

hammer6:


Did anybody ask Urhobo permission before dragging dem into Nigeria.

If anything IPOB has been visible, diplomatic and patient.

Dont mind the tout that started this thread, IPOB have stated endlessly that we will not force anybody into Biafra.

We are also aware that we are extending invitation to groups not formally included by Ojukwu.

Everything will be consensual and by international recognised best practice as we wil have observers.

But shame go kill fratermathy after we exit, they turn Southwest Cameroon that left Nigeria only to be begging joint referendum to follow Biafra.

That is wen he will realise that emotion must not go before logic.

He want to fight people for asking, wen he has not fought the Aboki oil well owners in his backyard.

Is that not foolishness?

its her kind of reasoning that made women to be relegated to the kitchen.

fratermathy:


Of course, the author pleaded that we sit-at-home. However, he also implied from his very first few lines that Urhobos are already Biafrans! Such misconception is what this thread was devoted to debunking, especially when Urhobos have made it's stand known via its mother union, UPU!

upu or not,not everyone is confortable with the status quo,period!

EvilUnityBeggars:


Who is in charge of the oil wells in Urhobo land.?

they keep shouting we,who is we?
There are people who hold different views everywhere,it was the OP trying to make it look like they are being forced,thesame him said the author was pleading,no its force.

fratermathy:


This is NOT a contest. We never asked for a referendum. You can't force one on us. We have a voice to speak on issues such as this. This isn't 1914 when we were forced into Nigeria.

who is we?
This is my problem with you folks,inasmuch as i want to respect your opinion,you cannot be speaking for everyone else!
Why do we hold elections when someone can simply be appointed?

Efewestern:


first of all, you have nothing in common with an itsekiri man, they are mixture of edo and yoruba, and I thought you hate those tribe so much, why are you insisting they be part of your dream country?

Secondly we have been fighting for one things "Resource control " , we are still very much interested in the Nigeria project provided our Wishes are been granted, Our interest will be more protected in Nigeria than your country.

Thirdly an average urhobo man will want a country called Niger Delta republic, where we won't be minority to any tribe.. can't you see? we all have different dreams. why are you forcing yours on us ?

my point is:if you feel you got the majority,why so scared of putting it to a test?

Amarabae:
I repeat You can't force referendum on them. Simple.
Why are you guys so desperate?

which force?

ProWalker:


Who are you to call for referendum? You don't even speak or make decisions for yourself, now you are sitting down in one dirty room in abakaliki and demanding referendum for minorities. You are a classical definition of delusion

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