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Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 8:45pm On Dec 07, 2009
^^^ Hey Pastor AIO, it's cool - no frizzles, no worries, no offences.
Like I said, I'm not taking the charge serious anymore from anyone
as I used to, so we can just laugh it off. These things happen.

You're cool, man. cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 8:32pm On Dec 07, 2009
hehe. . thou sayest! We just evolved into a new mafia soon to be publicly launched! grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 8:22pm On Dec 07, 2009
Pastor AIO:
http://www.paranormal-inspectres.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=117

http://liminalthresholds..com/2008/04/earth-energy-ley-lines.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing

There is disputed evidence that dowsers have subliminal sensitivity to the environment (through electroception, magnetoception, telluric currents or otherwise) or other paranormal faculties.[citation needed] Soviet geologists have made claims for the abilities of dowsers,[13] which are difficult to account for in terms of the reception of normal sensory cues. Some authors suggest that these abilities may be explained by postulating human sensitivity to small magnetic field gradient changes.
http://ghostwriterssociety./category/paranormal-investigators/
Please visit the threads where I used the word 'telluric' and see if I was discussing the occult there. It is not just jumping at a word that you see that settles this for you, especially where i took time out to explain in parenthesis what exactly I meant.

People interested in the occult use scientific terms - that should not be taken to mean that viaro was all into the occult. If you want a list of such terms, I readily could provide them. But sorry, AIO, this one about occultism is not in my domain.

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Edit:

Telluric - as referring simply to matters about Earth study:

A terrestrial planet, telluric planet, rocky planet or inner planet is a planet that is primarily composed of silicate rocks. Within the solar system, the terrestrial planets are the closest planets to the Sun. The terms are derived from Latin words for Earth (Terra and Tellus), and an alternative definition would be that these are planets which are, in some notable fashion, "Earth-like".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_planet

If pastor AIO found occultic meanings of that word 'telluric', at least it was clear in the context I used them that I was not into the occult. Besides, if anything, I have always been interested in my field of training - the Geosciences, which is why it is quite difficult for me to resist not contributing to anything that has to do with numbers and/or physics.
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 8:19pm On Dec 07, 2009
[quote author=Tudór link=topic=363154.msg5067777#msg5067777 date=1260213415]You're not nigerian? shocked shocked shocked
Where from if I may ask. . . . .[/quote]I have a very complex background which I often like to describe as 'a native eagle with a foreign dance'. My dad is Nigerian, mum is Italian, blah, blah.
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 8:15pm On Dec 07, 2009
ogajim:
Pilgrim.1 could have grown some balls and became someone else just as you would get if you "baptize" Abu and renamed him John. cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
Precisely, Jim. .  precisely. I have balls now, don't be surprised. grin
I remember once when Deep Sight talked about 'testicles' and my joking about it landed me in trouble in my office (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=355093.msg4983855#msg4983855).
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 8:13pm On Dec 07, 2009
Pastor AIO:
Statements like this are just too 9ja-ish for someone who claims not to even be nigerian.
Yes, I was actually trying to imitate that and sound Nigerian. I have a list of local sayings that will soon start appearing in my posts as well. However, what I said to you in one thread is that I'm not familiar with the Yoruba culture. Since then, as is usual with my inquisitive mind, I have tried to do a bit of study. I was chatting about this and wanted to discuss some of these Yoruba things with you among others, and only had a small go at offering answers to someone who was asking a question about the Igbo culture (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-362219.0.html#msg5057574).
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 8:07pm On Dec 07, 2009
banom:
@ Viaro,

You the worse, the more you type the obvious it becomes.
Thank you sir. I didn't need to reply to such as posted by Pastor AIO - but for people who might use that as a gateway to mob-attack viaro, perhaps a rejoinder was well in place.
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 8:02pm On Dec 07, 2009
Your honour, my answer to the preliminary case as set forth by Pastor AIO:

Pastor AIO:
But then it went beyond her turn of phrase or even her syntax (another curious thing was that over time his language seem to metamorphose more and more in to Pilgrim's as if he was trying to sound different initially but slowly the strain of trying to maintain the ruse began to wear him down), it became the subjects that he was interested in.
Outside of Nairaland, viaro is known for his diction; which is not surprising to have landed me in deep trouble a couple of times. Someone opined in another thread that the 'nada, zilch' and 'don't give two scoobies' are part of the portmanteau of pilgrim.1's phraseology - for which I was curious and asked for a link. Your honour, I am still waiting.

First was the interest in the Tithe brouhaha in which he argued Pilgrim's very same points.
I wonder if pilgrim.1 is the only person that has the same ideas on tithes as are found in her post. Not too long ago I posted excerpts from an article where Pastor Tunde Bakare taught precisely the same thing - does that make Tunde Bakare either viaro or pilgrim.1? Not only so, if Pastor AIO had been looking carefully, I'm sure he would have found the same point repeated by others outside of Nairaland - would that also mean that all those other people are viaro or pilgrim.1? The 'very same points' here is not even close to call - AIO could help himself by looking outside the cublicle.

But then there was a thread in which somebody complained about the lack of interesting subjects to discuss and Viaro responded that he was thinking of starting threads on certain subjects.  He never got round to it but he spoke of 4 or so subjects he'd like us to discuss and they were all subjects that Pilgrim was into.
That's interesting. I don't know if pilgrim.1 had all those subject as her interests or those are the only thing for which she was known. Incidentally, I remember KunleOshob is as interested in UFO and tithes as she was, and perhaps that makes us all.

However, let me set pastor AIO gently on this allegation. Indeed I posited some (I think about 4 or 5) topics that might make for interesting topics to discuss if people were complaining about dry topics in the Religion section. But I also noted several times in several places that even though there were several topics that I am interested in opening threads for and discussing, I really did not have the time and would not be able to maintain so until somewhere around DECEMBER or JANUARY. To this end, I have had the fortune of a few days off, and I opened a thread recently to fulfill that promise. The title of that thread is: HOW THE UNIVERSE WILL END. This thread is being discussed in an interesting manner even as i'm thinking and working on the other topics. How have I come under the accusation that I never "got round to it", pastor AIO?

Especially the Paranormal!  I decided to wait until he actually started the thread so I could catch him out with his pants down, but he never started the thread. But he did go on about Telluric currents in another thread which is also part of the whole paranormal occult genre of ideas.
I am not allowed to laugh in court, your honour; but pastor AIO here is making a very, very poor case indeed. I mean, the laugh of anybody thinking that "telluric" is in the same genre as the 'whole paranormal occult genre'!! This is the very reason why I often tried to leave explanations in parenthesis to explain what I meant, when Deep Sight once observed and cautioned that I didn't need to explain my terms lest it made Nigerians look like they never went to school! Where i had used the term "telluric", I have often made clear in brackets what I meant - matters relating to the earth. Your honour, how is it that anyone would think that matters relating to the earth is PARANORMAL and/or OCCULTIC? cheesy

All that would be needed by the jury is to consult a good dictionary on the term if my explanations of that term were not sufficient. Here are a few:

      telluric:
      Pertaining to the Earth
      http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/telluric

      telluric:
      Relating to the earth
      http://www.earth-keeper.com/defininggaiaarticle.shtml

If pastor AIO found occultic meanings of that word 'telluric', at least it was clear in the context I used them that I was not into the occult. Besides, if anything, I have always been interested in my field of training - the Geosciences, which is why it is quite difficult for me to resist not contributing to anything that has to do with numbers and/or physics.

I've been trying to get my head around the fact that anyone could maintain such a level of mendacity and the only way that I can rationalize it is that it is all a joke.  He/she is just having a bit of fun with us and that is in fact how all his posts should be seen.  As a bit of light fun.
Your honour, I have not been medacious in my posts, outlook or interractions with any Nairalanders.

Another thing to support her case though is that I got the sense that Pilgrim was in touch with some people offline on YIM etc.  If that was the case then either they are in on it too which would just be too utterly mindboggling (my head would explode- especially as they were all the self righteous born again christian types, though having said that they are the one's more likely to practice deciet) or in fact they are two distinct people.
I would not know about that; so it is not my call to respond to such conspiracy theory on anyone's behalf.

If Pilgrim is Viaro, I have another idea.  I think that Mavenbox is Viaro too and that she just accused Viaro or being Krayola in order to throw a red herring into the mix.
Well, that indeed would be a most intersting theory - and perhaps the Court needs to call in mavenbox as the principal witness for herself.

Your honour, respectfully submitted.
Christianity EtcRe: Lets Play "Word Association" Of NL Religion Posters by viaro: 7:28pm On Dec 07, 2009
davidylan:
Not true. Pilgrim1 was way more detailed than viaro and he doesnt use the multiple colors pilgrim1 was famous for.
Davidylan, lol. . leave them - I'm enjoying the charge (especially in the thread opened by Chrisbenogor), When people laid that charge, I visted some of pilgrim.1's posts and indeed started using multiple colours for some of my posts - I don't know, just maybe to add some twist to the whole thing and help those who believe it to find holes to even believe it more. You're one of the very few to make that observation, but the multi-colour thing has been showing up in my posts of late.
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 7:16pm On Dec 07, 2009
banom:
Ogaga4luv is a lawyer,

viaro take note.
Haven't you heard? A waste of the law courts time constitutes very heinous crimes! grin


By the way, where's that link that led to your conversion? I'm not kidding - I just would so like to take a view.
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 7:12pm On Dec 07, 2009
Chrisbenogor:
Evading justice and waste of the law courts time are very heinous crimes, you have little time before the calvary rolls in,
There's no justice in a system where the jury is a mob cartel, your highness. grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 7:06pm On Dec 07, 2009
Chrisbenogor:
Viaro do you have any opening statements before we begin to call all the evidence for people to see cheesy
You've already annouced how the Nigerian courts are. What are the odds that I may not have to resort to the Carabinieri? grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 7:02pm On Dec 07, 2009
JeSoul:
Exactly. And I'm glad you did some research and saw for yourself lol
hehe. . I did from very early when the charge was laid.

I think I'll reverse my verdict to innocent, for one simple fact: I trust Pilgrim 1000%, and I know she would not lie if she were infact you. One condition sha, you go pay me small money make I do am
Oh lawd!  undecided  Between the Italian poliz and Nigerian courts, I don't know which one is more bribe-free.

I think Deepsight is currently taking ProBono cases  grin
Arrrgggghh! If you're arranging that lawyer for me, just forget it! angry
I'd be damned even before he opens his files. grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 6:59pm On Dec 07, 2009
JeSoul:
Oya, Mazaje go and bring the tyre cheesy. Chris and Banom get the match and petrol or kerosene whichever is closer . . .
Chrisbenogor:
Here is how it works on Nairaland's religion section Court, we bring the charges before you, ask you to plead guilty or not. If you throw in the towel the sordid grin grin grin grin grin scandals ,embezzlement and what have you will be ignored and we move straight to sentencing if not, we go ahead and call our witnesses and then you do your defence by calling yours and the jurors (other members can call the verdict wink ).
I'd be damned before I breathe! shocked shocked You people just don't waste time in your courts!!
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 6:54pm On Dec 07, 2009
mazaje:
You here by have been sentenced to 100 strokes of koboko for perjury. . . . . .What sayeth thou?
Oh my goodness! Perjury - how? grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 6:52pm On Dec 07, 2009
banom:
I remember the day that woman pilgrin1 faced me, i actual enjoyed her post and response , and i can credit my recent conversion to Christianity to pilgrim1 response to me on that thread.
Banom, I'm serious about that thread. Please. wink
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 6:50pm On Dec 07, 2009
mazaje:
Viaro what sayeth thou? guilty or not guilty? The jury has already passed their judgment grin grin
See what I mean? Nigerians!! Pass judgement, fire the defendant before examining the case! grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 6:48pm On Dec 07, 2009
Carried, Jesoul. And thanks for shedding some light on why you think so.

Indeed, the format of my posts, and either diction, give me away as almost the very same person as pilgrim.1. I was initially put off and tended to react in an unfriendly manner when Nairalanders were teasing me about this, but these days I tend to not bother any more and just take it all as a joke.

In the course of all this, I tried to look up a few threads where pilgrim.1 made some posts - and astonishing it was to find many similarities in format, especially on threads discussing tithing.

Another thing, though, I found that she was not very forthcoming when asked about her denomination; on a few occasions where people have asked me about mine, I have wasted no time replying that I'm a Baptist.

Is she polite? I don't know - but one of my first entries to Nairaland should show that viaro wastes no time to blasts discussants who trouble him (not that I feel great doing so anyway).

So, indeed, the similarities are 'cloned', if I may say so. But does that make me into pilgrim.1?  cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 6:38pm On Dec 07, 2009
^^^ cheesy so, em. . you want to credit your conversion to pilgrim viaro, as another way of speaking?
Please do me the fav of posting me the link of that discussion - I'm really interested. Please.
Christianity EtcRe: Are Pentecostals Christians by viaro: 6:36pm On Dec 07, 2009
shocked shocked shocked Are you some kind of interpol? ? ? ? grin
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: Most Controversial Topic Of The Year 2009 by viaro: 6:35pm On Dec 07, 2009
Chrisbenogor:
Guilty Innocent until proven guilty grin
This is even more trouble! grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 6:34pm On Dec 07, 2009
Chrisbenogor:
what do you plead guilty or not so I can call my first witness grin
Okay, you want viaro to plead either way. . before you call witnesses, no?
Or you want to establish a case, call witnesses; before asking the defendant to plead? cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: Most Controversial Topic Of The Year 2009 by viaro: 6:32pm On Dec 07, 2009
Chrisbenogor:
I am personally serving you the subpoena viaro you have to appear in court asap!
I'm in trouble now! grin
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 6:30pm On Dec 07, 2009
Goodness gracious! Nigerians are funny people! grin
You want me to first be condemned before you call witnesses!
This is some fun!
Christianity EtcRe: How DNA Technology Proves The Existence Of God by viaro: 6:29pm On Dec 07, 2009
Christianity EtcRe: The Trial Of Viaro by viaro: 6:27pm On Dec 07, 2009
What is wrong with you? Is this how you condemn people - before establishing a case? cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: How DNA Technology Proves The Existence Of God by viaro: 6:26pm On Dec 07, 2009
KunleOshob:
Mmmmmh a leopard truly cannot change it's spots, highlighted above are classic lines from pilgrim.1
Oh, I see. Could you refer me to such quotes by her? This must be intersting. cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Religion: Most Controversial Topic Of The Year 2009 by viaro: 6:21pm On Dec 07, 2009
Gracious! We now know which is the most controversial topic! grin
Christianity EtcRe: Are Pentecostals Christians by viaro: 6:18pm On Dec 07, 2009
Lady 234:
@viaro and everyone
When i talked about keeping the shabbat, i didn't mean not working on Shabbat. Of course i know that Yeshua(Jesus) said the Shabbat was made for man and not man for the shabbat.
I rather meant the observation of Saturday as the Jewish shabbat and not sunday.
But what is so intrinsic in the day itself that it should be of great import? Why would God damn any Christian for worshipping Him on any day besides Saturday? In both the OT and NT, He gave His people instructions to worship Him on other days apart from Saturday. . and if you count them, they number all the days of the week.
Christianity EtcRe: Most Meaningless Poster For The Year by viaro: 6:10pm On Dec 07, 2009
I like these polls that are coming up these days. grin
Good thinking, guys.


The award: Abuzola - no contest! grin
Christianity EtcRe: How The Universe Will End by viaro(op): 6:06pm On Dec 07, 2009
@Deep Sight,

I think your concerns are quite simple to address, because the basic point at which these concerns are hinged is quite simply as I'd observed: we tend to see things in our local ideas when we take out the mathematics and physics from the models.

Deep Sight:
1. Is Spacetime actually a "fabric" as described by scientists? I can accede to space as being imbued with properties which may lend credence to its description as a "fabric," and although i accept that space and time have a relationship i cannot accept that time is in anywise is a "fabric" or together with space constitutes a fabric of any description. I would be more comfortable describing space as imbued with certain qualities of a fabric and describing time as an infinite continuum.
Perhaps one reason why scientists describe spacetime as a fabric is because of the theory behind it. Today they speak of 'cosmic string' - a hypothetical 1-dimensional (spatially) topological defect in various fields. Ordinarily, these cosmic strings are thought of as 'impossibly heavy, one-dimensional, thin tubes'. Dr. Karl, in an article on Fabric of SpaceTime, explains that cosmic strings are -

'. . so heavy because they have stuff from the Big Bang trapped inside them.
According to our second theory, these strings make up the fabric of Space-Time,
just like thousands of little threads make silk'1

Another thing we have to understand here is that the 4th dimension does not treat either property of space and time as a separate: rather, together they form a continuum, in just the same analogous way in which our 3rd dimension is a combination of height, length and width. If these measurements are taken apart on their own, the sense of a 3rd dimension is lost; and just in that way would the 4th dimension not make sense to anyone who treats them separately for time and space: it is a continuum.

This is because I am certain that time is absolutely intangible.
Well, if that is how you think about things like this, could I ask if 'light' is intangible? Why is it 'tangible'. . why not? What's the difference? Tangibility is not something we just sit on the edge to talk about, such as to conceptualize anything on the basis of whether we can touch, hold, or collect something in a container. In this sense in consonance with the way you think, could you say for definite when light came into existence and what it is in essence? Or, in the other way you formulate your assertions: has light always been in existence, regardless how far you travel? How do you know that your answer is the plausible one?

Note that the description of spacetime as a fabric by scientists is the factor that leaves the room open for time travel - as a fabric can be waded through - forwards or backwards, upwards or downwards. If time is strictly an intangible continuum only (which is my take) then although it may be possible to see the past through transmission of images embedded in light, it will not be possible to "go" there physically in anywise.
Look again: you have seperated 'time' from the 4th dimension of 'spacetime' - that is why your problem persists. But if you see the 4th dimension as a single unit in terms described as a 'fabric', you ca perhaps then begin to see where the possibility lies.

Now, is time 'strictly' an intangible continuum? Is time described theoretically in mathematics and physics as a 'continuum' in the strict sense? I am not so sure that is the way it is discussed in quantum physics or the theory of relativity. The same thing with space - if that also is an 'intangible continuum in theory of relativity', it would prove elusive to study in the first place. It is perhaps because they are not thought of in the manner you see them, that is why scientists speak about them as a 'fabric' that could be effected in such a way as to make time-travel possible.

2. Is spacetime created by the big bang, or at the moment of the big bang? I positively deny that it is: and i am aware that in saying this i am swimming against the tide of global scientific thinking. I perceive space and time as infinite, self existent factors which could not be said to come into existence at any point.
You know what the problem is here? You're making your case on very weak grounds that borders on religious thinking than on scientific grounds.

It is quite plausible indeed that both time and space existed at some point - very plausible - otherwise they would be nothing for scientists to work with in quantum physics and the study of phenomena that birth blackholes, whiteholes, and wormholes. Even so, gravity would not even behave differently in various parts of the Uinverse; and no one would have been able to study the nature of gravity and arrive at the idea that it is a ''consequence of the distortion of space and time''.

However, for your own theory to hold at any point, it would not be sufficient to deny these things and just assert your personal beliefs about them. That would even be counter-productive to your understanding - as it would affect everything about space and time that you might desire to study or peruse.

Yet, it would also not be sufficient for me to say the above and leave the question unanwered: 'Is spacetime created by the big bang, or at the moment of the big bang'? I would agree with Einstein in his general theory of relativity, where he posits that space-time was born at the beginning of our Universe. Were that not the case, how would we be able to make any calculations and mathematical predictions about an expanding Universe? How would anyone conceive of the various behaviour of gravity in various parts of the Universe? I don't know: do you?

In this respect if indeed spacetime was created by the big bang, or at the moment of the big bang, i ask - INTO WHAT IS THE UNIVERSE EXPANDING? INTO WHAT HAS IT BEEN EXPANDING ALL THIS WHILE?
Good question - but another question I've always asked myself is this: 'what is space; and how large is SPACE itself?' Deep Sight, how do you define 'space' scientifically?

As we have seen above, a continuum known as the 4th dimension is a combination of space and time into spacetime. How is this even possible if space is 'nothing' or 'intangible'? String theory would not even be possible if this idea about 'space' is the dominant one. Our concept of 'space' as merely wide expanse needs updating, because it is not necessarily so.

In my humble view, it is expanding into infinite, self-existent space. This runs contrary to the scientific supposition that space is a fabric created by the big bang and is the substance of this universe.
True, that runs contrary to science - but how do we know that your own postulations are a better alternative? How do you know for certain that space is both self-existent and infinite?

Do you know the implication of what you're supposing, scientifically? Well, I don't - but I could take a wild guess: if space was infinite, what would be its properties? Is this 'space' an open or closed system - or just infintley boundless? Then what is the cosmological property that keeps the universe in place such that planetray bodies are not spiraling out of their orbits?

On the other hand, if space is self-existent, what did it contain - and for how long did it contain that 'something' before the universe sprang into existence? What is the nature and property of that very thing that was inside this 'space' from which we have the universe today?

3. You stated that folding space-time would not result in the cataclysm that i suggested. Please look again at the picture i posted above and reflect on these -
I don't remember where I might have said that; and as far as 'cataclysm' goes, I think it was in my response to noetic that that word was mentioned, to show that 'the end must follow the same configuration as its origin' just does not follow.

a. When you fold the fabric, will there not be corresponding movement of the cosmic bodies contained within the fabric?
Yes - that is one of the theories that explain the orbits of planetray bodies.

b. Will such movement not represent a major shift in universal alignment and this trigger the cataclysm i suggested?
No, not necessarily. Take the blackhole, for instance, as a hypothetical case. It is believed that blackholes are the result of 'the defomation of spacetime caused by a very compact mass'2. Yet, howsoever it behaves, the center of a blackhole (known as a singularity) where 'matter is crushed to infinite density, the pull of gravity is infinitely strong, and spacetime has infinite curvature'. As if that is not enough, there are also believed to exist such things as supermassive black holes and black holes in tiny 'dwarf' galaxy such as VCC128. All these happen inside this phenomenon called the blackhole without adverse effect on the Universe as a whole.

c. If the folding will not result in the movement of cosmic bodies i imagined, then clearly, such cosmic bodies will be left in the lurch, with no "spacetime" within which to remain, as the fabric would have shifted away from the locus of such bodies, and such bodies would evaporate, or fall away into outer nothingness, as it were.
Not quite. Stephen Hawkings is credited with the Hawking radiation that describes what you're trying to say. One website describes it this way:

'Can the concepts of relativistic quantum field theory be carried over to
curved space-times - the kind of space-times with gravitational sources
described by general relativity? The answer is a cautious "yes".
The most notable step in this direction was taken by the British physicist
Stephen Hawking in the 1970s.3

Please scroll down to references and access the link to read more.

In my view the latter is rather implausible, and i would stick with the former - theoretically - that such a "folding" will result in movement of cosmic bodies and that could be apocalyptic.
But just where is your equation (or formular) for deducing these ideas 'theorectically'? Where's the physics and mathematics?

However that is supposing spacetime to be foldable in the manner suggested. I am not certain, and being of limited human knowledge, i cannot say if that is workable.
But who could say anything with cocksure certainty about these things, when we don't know how the center of the blackhole looks and behaves like?

Let me make one clarification - the foregoing does not mean that i discard the existence of wormholes. I think there will be all sorts of holes in the universe, permitting all manner of transitory movements across galaxies and outer reaches; but i do not see how that can be by "folding" spacetime in the manner suggested - my reasons are as above.

Maybe i am the one being limited in my thinking? Please help.
Well, perhaps if we get to grips with understanding that the 4th dimension is a continuum and not something to be picked separately for time and space, that would help. The bending of spacetime also is understood to occur theoretically inside blackholes (as in the above).

I apologise for the delay in my reply (what can I do when my babe is here) grin


_________________

Notes and references:

1. Dr. Karl, ABC Science, online here.

2. Wikipedia on Blackhole


3. Elementary Einstein: 'Evaporating black holes?'
Christianity EtcRe: How The Universe Will End by viaro(op): 4:09pm On Dec 07, 2009
noetic15:
The above does not represent my views.
I never implied that the begining has to correspond to the end. . . . but the subject of the begining must have answers to the end.
Apologies, I didn't mean to misrepresent you. I might have wrongly inferred from this line of yours:
IF it explains the begining of the universe and calls it a "random and accidental" occurrence . . . .then one can infer that the demise of the universe would also be a "random and accidental" demise.
. . I understand that was not your idea; but whoever might be thinking that way clearly has it wrong.

peharps the thread should talk about why anyone subscribes to any of the lingering hypothesis on the end of the universe.
Yes, and more.

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