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 Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 3:37pm On Mar 06, 2022 |
Rubbiish: To answer that you'll have to look at the bigger picture. Forget about toppling dictators (for that reason alone the king of Saudi Arabia would have been the nr. 1 target), forget about 'bringing democracy' (North Korea would have had priority over the relatively moderate government of Syria), forget about noble motives (after Iraq the US army should have had some embarassment about 0,5 million children being killed and should have grown much more restraint in repeating the military meddling in other countries , but there's not even an apology there), forget about Assad being evil (as long as the US can do business there's no problem with alleged evilness, remember again Saudi Arabia). Before Isis was created in Syria there were no US troops there. They were pushed out of Iraq and one should think that if the purpose was to destroy Isis the US would have teamed up with the Syrian army. Which they didn't. In time there was even a new narrative: “Assad must go”. This narrative came in very comfortable with the revolt that already was at hand in Syria (mostly created by the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood and other fanatics) and so in the first 1,5 year we saw this strange situation that Assad on one side was fighting the so-called 'moderate rebels' and Al Qaeda offsprings and the US supposedly fighting the Islamic Caliphate. In time it became clear that the SAA was losing the fight while Isis was growing despite the US fighting them (yes, start to wonder why the most powerful and potent army in the world couldn't at least contain a bunch of extremists). When after 1,5 year Russia entered the field it became painfully clear that with a limited but well organized army group the extreme islamists could be defeated. It makes one think: the Russian army isn't really more advanced than the US army, yet the Russians made a difference while the Americans did not. Only after the Russians interfered the US began to make real progress. So it's safe to think the US only made a show before the Russians came in (there's more than one complaint of pilots who had to drop their bombs in the empty desert) and after it they had to change strategy to safe face (the Russians booked results, so it couldn't be that they did not). The battlefield had changed and they had to adapt. In time we learned that the US supported so-called 'moderate rebels', gave them money, information and weapons. When the Russians asked to designate the real opposition in order to separate them from the extremists the US couldn't answer this simple question. Very strange indeed because you should expect the Americans were well aware where the Al Qaeda-affiliates were located (remember 911? Maybe state enemy nr. 1?), but they were so fuzzy about that that the Russians ultimately cut the Gordian Knot: those who are fighting the legitimate government are terrorists and those who are willing to talk are opposition. This is a brief oversight of the situation, but it should make clear that the US isn't there because of human rights, fighting terrorists or other noble motives. It's really there to stimulate chaos, rather than restoring order. So … why would one want to create chaos? There must be some reason for creating chaos, because it's a costly business in which millions of dollars are spent, if not more. To solve that riddle you can look back and forward. If you look forward the intended endresult of chaos is dividing the country, giving the Kurds the illusion of creating their own state, giving the sunni-extremists the illusion of a pure islamic state and maybe with some luck some other territories will arise because of the tribes. You'll end up with a powerless Syria which in the first place will not pose a threat anymore to Israel (remember Assad is the last Arab leader who at least plainly supports the Palestinians). Secondly, the Golan issue will no longer exist (and it's not just strategic territory: there's an enormous reserve of oil under the Golan Heights). Thirdly, Iran can forget about a pipeline to Europe. Fourth, Qatar can realize their dreamed pipeline, along with the Saudi's (a pipeline Assad is opposed to). And fifth: American business can benefit because when the US army wins in the end they have gained a lot of influence and thus a lot to say how things will be done. So looking forward you see interests. Not for the benefit of the Syrian people of course, but those who are interested in this scenario are all lined up with each other (Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Israel). Because of ideological visions the US is allied with Israel, because of economic interests the US is allied with the Saudi's and Qatar. As long as their interests come together they will team up (for the time being religious motives seem to have been set aside, but one wonders for how long?). So far for looking forward. So there's interests involved, business interests, business on a big scale scale but still business. Quite simple once you see it. For the moment it overcomes ideologic and/or religious factors. Among the many, many victims are also those islamic extremists who are really convinced they're fighting for their vision on Islam (no matter how despicable it may seem in our eyes), but are subsidized by those parties mentioned above and thus are just puppets in a greater game. They're being used, once the goal is reached the subsidies will dry up and they'll be left with nothing. Now we're going to look back for an even bigger picture. Why had Gadhafi to be removed? Once he shook off his terrorist image he was kind of a 'good friend' with the West for a long time. Was it that he suppressed his people? Unlike the US president he could drive around in his capital in an open car, probably some bodyguards in the neighbourhood, but still, it wasn't that hard to point a gun at him if you really wanted to. Yet he could feel safe in those years, apparently, and maybe that had something to do with the work he had done for Lybia (look it up, in his last years it was the most prosperous country of Africa). Yet he had to be dethroned, here in the West the narrative was about those Arab Springs but guess what: after he was murdered Lybia jumped into a civil war and one side consists of … yep, Al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and the likes. You wonder where they get their money from to be so busy in multiple countries. But oh, money, did I say that Gadhafi did have plans to abandon the dollar and introduce an African currency? That wasn't very nice of him because since the 70's oil is traded worldwide in dollars and the dollar happens to be the US currency, which means that all transactions go through American banking systems. Which means in turn that America controls the transactions, has thus influence on the transactions and even earns some money on top of it and can calculate interest on top of that). So if Gadhafi's introduction of an independent African system would succeed that would have been bad for the US banking and corporate business. If you fantasize about it: his Lybian model could have eventually freed more African countries from their debt to the West and could have made them independent. You can have similar thoughts on Saddam Hussein: he had plans to trade his oil in Euro's, thus bypassing the dollar. All those dollars are regulated by the central banks, which are connected to a handfull of families like the Rothchilds (yep, one has to mention them at least once). Now Lybia didn't have such a central bank, but shortly after the murder of Gaddafi, well, Lybia has one now. Iraq didn't have such a ‘Rothchild’ central bank (the name Rothchild stands in fact for a cluster of families, they're just the ones in the frontrow). And guess what: Syria's central bank isn't controlled by foreigners either (as in Iran, as in North Korea, they are just a few countries left without such a bank; begin to see a pattern?). Now I don't know how they do it but this cluster of families gives tremendous loans to governments thus making them dependent and in cases these loans aren't being payed off because it takes all the effort to pay the interest alone. So in the end of the game it's not about oil or even money but the dependency of whole countries on this cluster of families, who can therefore influence the politics of a government and thus control the country. In short, it's about this kind of power. We ordinary people care about money, those kind of people look behind it. So back to Syria, what the heck is the US army doing there? The boots on the ground will tell you a very idealistic story, I've read a story of an US soldier in Iraq that was very rational narrated, even with the chaos over there and the 0,5 million dead children and the creation of Isis it was still a ‘good invasion' in her eyes (yep, a woman, if you please). Never heard that it had to be Iraq because it was 'low hanging fruit' (the other options being Iran and North Korea). Never thinking about the fact that boots on the ground have to be inspired to do the dirty work so they have to be fed with a good & bad story, something that hits them in their ethics. I mean, how many German soldiers would have fought so hard for their Reich if they would have known that it was Hitler's sole purpose to get to the oilfields in the Caucasus. The boots on the ground were fed with the lie that the commies were pure evil and threatened their Lebensraum. But far away from the mud and the cold and the bullets Hitler desperately needed resources. And here comes the third layer: in order to get resources and fabricate and keep your industries working you need … money. In those times the cluster around the Rothchilds already had a firm grip on European countries and that's one of the threads you need to understand why the Nazi regime hated the Jews so much. Anyway, Hitler needed money too and a large part he took from the Jews. I guess he didn't have a central bank. So here are your layers. On the ground we see ordinary people with their honest beliefs, ethics, biases, ignorance, love for the country you're born in etc. No matter if you're educated, there's always an emotional weak spot that can be manipulated; that's where the information stream comes in, but since it's directed it's really propaganda. Onesided, distorted or flawed facts, lack of historical context etc. People begin to see an enemy, receive a gun and enter the battlefield in full conviction that their war is a just war. Just as they want it to see on the next level, the politicians use your emotional state to satisfy their own needs, whether it be gold in Africa or that Chinese-controlled oil refinery in Raqqa, Syria. What? The Chinese in Syria? Yup, just like the Russians had their companies in Iraq some years ago but they were wiped out of that country. Don't know if the Chinese are still there but it was quite convenient that Isis made Raqqa the capital of their caliphate. So you can safely conclude in the top layer of all this it wasn't about the WMD (didn't exist), Al Qaeda in the middle east (not in Iraq as long as Saddam ruled), not about oil (there was no problem as long as Saddam traded in dollars), not about dictators (just read about Syria being the only secular country left in the region), but all about the monetary system and having corporate dominance. It's ultimately Assad's fault to have an independent course and not willing to bow to the capitalistic hegemonic tendencies of the West, the US and behind that system the thrills and whims and purposes of those who control the money system. All Western countries have considerable debts and just think about it on your own level: if you're in debt because of a simple mortgage, who's really the boss? The bank or you? 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 1:36pm On Mar 06, 2022 |
Rubbiish:American caused it Mr man. Shebi as Russia don come to thier aid America don hide thier head for Syria. 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 6:03am On Mar 06, 2022 |
Rubbiish:Yes they did 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 8:05am On Mar 05, 2022 |
Wisfem:Exactly, but they won't report the truth 2 Likes |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 12:27am On Mar 05, 2022 |
GeneralPula:You're a fucking liar. California and Texas are Mexicans territories 4 Likes |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 12:26am On Mar 05, 2022 |
SouthWestBlood:Brother man, Russia did nothing 3 Likes |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 12:25am On Mar 05, 2022 |
yankeecoder:Let me hear word jor. The Syrians are still very recent in our hearts. 2 Likes |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 12:23am On Mar 05, 2022 |
mycar:I no argue with you, Mr false |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 11:00pm On Mar 04, 2022 |
kollinzgee:Hahahahahaha, I dey tell you 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 10:59pm On Mar 04, 2022 |
NwaNimo1:Russia wasn't responsible for it though |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 10:58pm On Mar 04, 2022 |
yankeecoder:They did that Mr man. But the west don't like it 4 Likes |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 10:28pm On Mar 04, 2022 |
NwaNimo1: yankeecoder:Russia have no issue with the Africans, moreover the nuke can reach any country on the planet 2 Likes |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 10:27pm On Mar 04, 2022 |
yankeecoder:You read the part that said Russia invaded Ukraine because of Nato. You didn't read the part where Ukrainian armies have been committing genocide in Donbass with the help of the west but the western media outlet refuse to broadcast since the past 8 years. The whole issue started when the Westerners backed a coup to remove an elected president and installed thier puppet way back in 2014 if I'm not mistaken 12 Likes 2 Shares |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Are The People On Nairaland Supporting Russia Invasion Of Ukraine Real Or Bots ? by Vicotex(m): 10:15pm On Mar 04, 2022 |
OP, before you call anyone bots, I'd like to advice you to please do a thorough assessment of the current situation and how it all started. I support Russia because what they're doing is good for them. The west brought all this misfortune upon the Ukrainians 12 Likes |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Ukraine Is Falling Down Like The London Bridge by Vicotex(m): 8:17pm On Mar 03, 2022 |
Simeon88:Abeg you fit help me list out the countries invaded by Russia while I dey compile list of countries invaded by US and how they fare now |
| Politics / Re: Invasion: Nigeria, 140 Others Vote Against Russia, Ukraine To Get $5.2bn Lifelin by Vicotex(m): 6:13am On Mar 03, 2022 |
I pity Buhari. What's the meaning of this? How much dem donate give Libya or Somalia during the war? How much aid or money dem give Syria? None, all this nonsense EU leaders think say dem wise, Putin don put dem for one chance 18 Likes 4 Shares |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Videos Of Some Live Explosions In Ukraine Cities By Russian Troops (Video) by Vicotex(m): 10:54am On Mar 01, 2022 |
ObamaMessi:Na you know which plane of existence you dey live cos no be wetin dey happen you dey talk so |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Videos Of Some Live Explosions In Ukraine Cities By Russian Troops (Video) by Vicotex(m): 7:26am On Mar 01, 2022 |
ObamaMessi:Na stuupid idiotic human degenerate na you be. You no go comot the scale from your eyes and filter truth from shit wey dem dey force you believe |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Videos Of Some Live Explosions In Ukraine Cities By Russian Troops (Video) by Vicotex(m): 12:32am On Mar 01, 2022 |
moralistic:I'm a Christian Mr man. Russia is more Christianized than most countries in the eu including the US |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Videos Of Some Live Explosions In Ukraine Cities By Russian Troops (Video) by Vicotex(m): 6:30pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
“Dictator” is a propaganda term. A[b] “dictator”[/b] is defined as “someone we don’t like.” For example, Saddam Hussein was considered a great guy when he was fighting Iran and Iran was giving the U.S. problems. But he magically transformed into a “dictator” when he did things we didn’t like. This is not saying what he did was good or bad. His invasion of Kuwait was bad. Another example was Suharto in Indonesia. He was a mass murderer who killed millions of people and fed communists to crocodiles. Instead, as Chomsky properly noted, the U.S. media focused on Pol Pot, who was also a mass murderer. But Suharto was considered a great guy by the U.S. because of his anti-communism. Or consider the term[b] “terrorist” vs “freedom-fighter.”[/b] A terrorist is someone we don’t like. A freedom fighter is someone who commits the same acts, but for us. Again, the objective good or bad they are doing needs to be analyzed in a less biased and politicized manner. For example, Osama bin Laden: Keep doing the good work PUTIN 55 Likes 1 Share |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Videos Of Some Live Explosions In Ukraine Cities By Russian Troops (Video) by Vicotex(m): 6:30pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
I be think say Nairaland GoTV CNN war strategist and analysts talk say hand dey meet Russia and dem don lost 1m armies. Wetin dey occur?? Una go just dey pass fake news up and down after una don watch BBC, CNN, Fox, Daily mail etc finish. Ride on Ruskies , keep doing the good work. 49 Likes |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Putin Deploys 'Thermobaric' Bombs That Can Rupture Enemy Lungs To Ukraine (Pix) by Vicotex(m): 11:21am On Feb 28, 2022 |
Kestolove:lol |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: EU To Fund Purchase Of Weapons For Ukraine by Vicotex(m): 11:08am On Feb 28, 2022 |
mpire:ignoramus |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Ukrainian Commander In Kharkiv Says Dozens Of Russians Surrendered by Vicotex(m): 11:06am On Feb 28, 2022 |
joyandfaith:Hahahahahaha go read up sister. Japan don already decide to withdraw before they got nuked |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Ukrainian Commander In Kharkiv Says Dozens Of Russians Surrendered by Vicotex(m): 10:15am On Feb 28, 2022 |
joyandfaith:War is war, win is win, why shifting the goal post? Ruskies took what belongs to Japan at the height of Japan's power and you dey here dey mention ww2 |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: EU To Fund Purchase Of Weapons For Ukraine by Vicotex(m): 10:14am On Feb 28, 2022 |
Still does not change the fact that the Western puppet in Ukraine won't be removed in coming days. NATO know their limits. Baltics hope you're watching closely, try poke the bear and you guys will get overrun. 1 Like 2 Shares |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Ukrainian Commander In Kharkiv Says Dozens Of Russians Surrendered by Vicotex(m): 10:08am On Feb 28, 2022 |
joyandfaith:Japanese surrendered and thier Islands are still with Russia 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Russian Soldiers Surrendering by Vicotex(m): 5:28pm On Feb 27, 2022 |
Psalmistproject:Hahhaah, niqqa just dey peddle fake news up and down. Be like this OP no dey informed say a Russian army rather commit suicide than to surrender or taken as prisoner of war |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Ukrainian Commander In Kharkiv Says Dozens Of Russians Surrendered by Vicotex(m): 5:26pm On Feb 27, 2022 |
Hahhaah, niqqas just dey peddle fake news up and down. Be like this OP no dey informed say a Russian army rather commit suicide than to surrender or taken as prisoner of war 1 Like |
| Business / Re: Pure Water Producers Announce Price Increase by Vicotex(m): 8:59pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Na normal life here since January na We don dey buy bag of water here for #250, #300 here in Auchi/ Edo state 12 Likes 3 Shares |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Taliban Tell Russia And Ukraine To Resolve The Crisis Through Peaceful Means by Vicotex(m): 3:55pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
Hahahahaha everyone wants to be heard 1 Like |
| Foreign Affairs / Re: Ukraine Crisis: Russia Loses 450 Soldiers As The Battle Gets Closer To The Kiev by Vicotex(m): 11:04am On Feb 25, 2022 |
All these BBC and CNN nairaland military strategist just dey reason like goats, one go say because Ukraine no get economic ties with us that's why us no come, another one go say because Ukraine no join Nato that's why. I see wetin the collective forces fit do Afghanistan and Syria. Noisy people, dem go just watch cnn propaganda come here begin talk like goat wey dey see period. Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are one people. Know this and know peace, nothing your Nato can do about this 3 Likes |
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