buhari came to my state,APC tried to buy our vote.gej came to my state and they also tried to buy our vote.today some politician is campaigning for whatever sit ,I don't know.he is trying to buy our vote.the reason why Nigeria will never change is because we will never stop selling our vote.if you invest ten million naira into a business.you will definitely expect profit. if a politician, spends money to buy your vote,he will spend fours yrs reaping us out.gej and GMB are not worth my vote because they tried to buy my vote..be wise Nigerians, we need to say no to corrupt practices...I won't mention my state for my personal reasons...UNTIL WE STOP SELLING OUR VOTE,WE SHOULD NOT EXPECT CHANGR...mods please take this to front page.Nigerians deserve to know the truth.

Wilson125:
In most churches to day (heretical) the use of trousers by the ladies is accepted but the orthodox church are still strongly against it. to me, the issue of trousers should be based on subjective because trousers is just a given name just like any other garment with a name. By definitions from dictionaries , trousers doesn't mean garment for men or clothing for men.. if guys can wear garment like shirt that are also worn by the ladies with he same name, why then do we pick on trousers so much and forget about the shirts, slippers, pants etc.. all I am saying is that, from my own understanding, the bible in deuteronomy wasn't talking about trousers but garment, so if we should pick on trousers, we should also remember that shirts, pants etc are also garments and are worn by both gender which means even shirts and the rest of it should not be worn by them too..
Just saying what I feel is right..

keep joking with eternity

the standard of heaven will never change.instead you have to change in order to fit in..she wearing make ups and jewelries is not sinful.wait till you get to eternity..I rest my case.

Vikkie14:
Modesty indeed. God says don't do this my child and that child says "it will be small nah". God says i don't want this, you said tix just a "small" additional. He says Walk before me and be thou perfect. He wont accept 99.9% christianity, he want an 100%. So stop twisting His word, remember:HE IS A CONSUMING FIRE.

Vickie Vickie Vickie...stop arguing,they will never listen to you.a word is enough for the wise..I never believed it was a sin until God revealed it to me..men have decided to go to hell.the best you can do is to pray for them..

can the. mods move this thread to front page,I would really like to know what the world thinks about this..

gatiano:
I trust in HIM who revealled the true messages of The Torah, The Gospel, The Quran and Five other books. I always allow The spirit of ALLAH/GOD guide and guard me through. holy ghost? ghost? are you serious? Yes Hell is real both in pyhsical condition and spiritual condition.
can you tell a little about heaven? have you seen it?

no WOnder...

Juliesexy:
You and who?

we

Nneka123:
so you where are you running to? heaven na. pfft

repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.dats all

Vikkie14:
there's alot of worldliness in that. Piercing is worldly. Why piercing in the first place? What do you stand to GAIN??
On the other hand, wearing jewellery is totally unbiblical. Are you telling God that he is a bad creator? That He should had make you looked more handsome. This is a Church, a temple consecrated to God. Wearing jewelleries is like putting Strange fire on the Altar.

I like you vickie,can we be friends??

Nneka123:
My God will judge through my ways not through wearing of earrings and Jewelries, I'm not really in the mood to quote bible verses sef, I'd have showed you were it's not a sin, so please save it!

your wearing chains is part of whose ways,mine??.mtchwwwww..I just pity people DAT are running to hell by themselves.

Juliesexy:
What?! There's no way earrings could be said to be used for show off! What happened to fashion? What about beauty? Don't even give me that "natural beauty" theory; it's there, yes, but...

You could say that about chains - that's if the person uses and flaunts them in a certain manner - but not earrings for Christ's sake!

Christianity, or more of, Religion, has led many people to lose track of what this life really is. It has made many souls to stop believing in themselves. I mean, must every of your actions be inclined to religion? Religion this, christianity that. Religion was made for man, man was not made for Religion! I think it's better we start going about naked, cos that's how God made us abi? Mtcheww!

In fact, it's a sin not to wear earings...JUST because of religion. Yes, I said it, and I'll say it again. Take me anywhere and I'll sure defend myself.

we have a real problem here

pinkycute:
Happy new month Nlanders

Back to the topi))) Yes, it's sinful

its sinful and you wear themmogbe oh..lol..

Nneka123:
How is it sinful? lame misconception!

because u wear it,it isn't sinful.wait till you get to eternity na,lol..my pastor didn't tell me will not be an excuse.

Vikkie14:
Are you really sure you can defend that statement bro? Forget about church ish here and let the fact be fact. All your quote are from the OLD despensation. No where in the NEW will you find such. Jesus is the Centre of the Bible both Old and New testament and AFTER HIM SHOULD OUR LIFE BE FASHIONED. Afterall, we are called CHRISTian because their Life resemble that of their Master Jesus.

I can site many places where it was stated not to wear those things..don't mind him.

pastorgodswillm:
ABRAHAM AND HIS WIFE WITH HIS CHILDREN WORE THEM

ISAAC AND HIS HOUSEHOLD WORE IT

JACOB, MOSES, JOSHUA, DAVID, AND EVEN THE PROPHETS AND PROPHETESS. THE ENTIRE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL WORE THEM.

JESUS AND HIS DISCIPLES? THERE IS NO DIRECT RECORD THAT THEY WORE THEM

THERE IS NO SINGLE SCRIPTURE VERSE THAT CATEGORICALLY CONDEMNED MEN OR WOMEN WEARING BANGLES, EARINGS OR NECKLESS EXCEPT FOR SOME CHURCH THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE A DOCTRINE OUT OF IT AND TRYING TO TWIST BIBLE VERSES TO MEAN THAT WEARING THEM IS WRONG.

STUDY YOUR BIBLE VERY WELL BEFORE YOU CONDEMN

heheheh..u just due joke ni...don't justify it becos or pastor says so oh..brother if you doubt that its sinful..pray to God,and let's hear what he will say.

DanceVille:
......
Majorities of our Christians nowadays do used Chains, Earrings just to show off....
Especially our Gospel artists like Tim Godfrey, Frank Edward and many others like that...But, I do ask myself WHY...

Brethrens, Is it A Sinful thing to be using all those Stuffs as a Christians?

its simple.2tim2:9..says it all

the reasons why some people don't believe in hell,heaven or even the existence of God are stated below.


1..STILL ENJOYING SIN.
most people still enjoy their numerous sins,or sometimes habitual sins.so if they are told of the harsh reality of the destination of sinners after death.they tend to resist such sayings by claiming they is neither God nor hell..
2..FAILURE TO LIVE ABOVE SIN
Some people might have heard of the possibility of living a sin free life,which is mandatory for candidates of heaven and possible by the help of the spirit.they accepts Jesus into their lives but are still finding it difficult to break out of sinful habits.they will come to the conclusion that,since staying sin free is impossible,then hell is impossible too.in other words,hell is not real.
3...WRONG TEACHING
Most people are unfortunate not to,find themselves in places where they are thought the wrong things.some will even say,God is love so he can't put them in hell.forgetting the scripture that says God is a consuming fire.so many heresies are flying on the air now.nevertheless,the excuse of your pastor teaching you the wrong things hold no water before God,because all you needed to do was to ask his spirit f9r guidance before reading the scripture..you are still alive so that you can find out the truth.
3...GURUS
Some people think because they are scientist, it means they can decipher every mystery.these are often the most ignorant set of people,who know simple nothing about God.
4...STUBBORN AND FOOLISH
these group of people have made up their mind to go to hell..
hell doest exist..repent now that you still have the chance

gatiano:
I'm down for correction(s), one thing i do know for sure 100% is that the bible is infiltrated, so much so that the people who continued to revise it got lost and confused in between. Nobody can be 100% right, there is no such thing, except through experiences which can in most cases can't be described or put in words.

an example of true experience was the one you had,when you saw how Jesus was crucified abi??..the reason why you don't even believe in the bible is because you don't blve in then holy ghost.only the holy ghost can illuminate the bible.without the holy ghost the bible will not hold any water.China Achebe's things fall apart will become even better than the bible....hell is real,deep inside you,you know it.my prayer for you is that you don't get to know the truth when you get there,because u will never make it out of there...prevention is better than cure.

sevule:
This is completely SHAMEFUL and the height of FOLLY! So we now have to rely on CHAD to win the war against Boko Haram? Chad fighter jets can just waltz into Nigerian airspace and bomb Nigerian villages at will?? Is this what the "giant" of Africa has become? A country too scared to deal with its own problems that it has to go to Chad? The same Chad that we have been giving AID to??
This is simply unbelievable!!!!

And to think that Jonathan asked for $1 billion to fortify our army. So the question now is where are the jets, tanks and weapons that were bought with the $1 billion? Or has the money gone to the same place that our $10 billion went? And before the money was approved I said in one of my posts on NL that nothing would come out of the $1 billion.

Spending
The CIA World Factbook estimates the military budget of Chad to be 4.2% of GDP as of 2006.[1]. Given the then GDP ($7.095 bln) of the country, military spending was estimated to be about $300 million. This estimate however dropped after the end of the Civil war in Chad (2005–2010) to 2.0%[6] as estimated by the World Bank for the year 2011. There aren't any more recent estimates available for 2012, 2013.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Chad

Looking at the above we can see that Chad spent only $300 million on their military in 2006 and Nigeria spent over $1 billion in 2006 and yet we DON'T HAVE FIGHTER JETS? Am i the only one that sees how LUDICROUS this situation is?

Year Dollars Spent % GDP
2007 $1,239,000,000 0.6%
2008 $1,741,000,000 0.8%
2009 $1,825,000,000 0.9%
2010 $2,143,000,000 1.0%
2011 $2,386,000,000 1.1%
2012 $2,100,000,000 1.0%
culled from http://militarybudget.org/nigeria/

Looking at the statistics in the past 4 years we have spent AT LEAST $10 billion on our military and yet we don't have fighter jets Yet we cannot equip our soldiers?? Yet we need Chad to come and bomb our villages?? $10 billion spent and nothing to show for it?

Our situation is like Bill Gates begging an unemployed graduate for $50!! And that is not even to talk about the violation of our sovereign territory as a nation! How can any right thinking Nigerian celebrate another country bombing our villages But this is what the current government in power has reduced us a nation to. A nation of beggars!

Isn't it the same Nigerian army that almost single-handedly ended the conflict in Liberia? In a saner climate the president and all the top military brass would all be in jail for criminal corruption!

mtchwwwwwwww.

wordcat:


Are you for real?

Don't tell me that you're happy that another country is bombing your City without the approval of your country

and who says they didn't have permission..by the way,if you have lost a family member to BH,u will not parading about the net looking for ways to tarnish the I.age of the government,in the name of permission..

gatiano:
How and where sir? i know of the part of the cross, that whole place was a fabrication, The bible had been infiltrated a very long time ago, Thye put the truth in symbols that is very difficult to translate. Outside the crucifixion fairy tales, How and where else did i contradict the bible? It is very good to reason together to getting to the core true roots.

the bible is wrong,u r right abi??

Horus:
Hell is a fabrication. The concept of hell is something that was created in the hearts and minds of the authors of your Bible and Koran. Before you were informed of what and where hell was, it never crossed your mind to even think about it. So, within the pages of your scriptures hell was born. Just as a God could not exist without the devil, heaven could not exist if there wasn’t a hell. So where did hell come from?. It didn’t exist in Adam’s, Noah’s, nor Abraham’s time. It is something that was fabricated so that they could capitalize off of your fear.

mtchbwwwwwww

Horus:
Hell is a fabrication. The concept of hell is something that was created in the hearts and minds of the authors of your Bible and Koran. Before you were informed of what and where hell was, it never crossed your mind to even think about it. So, within the pages of your scriptures hell was born. Just as a God could not exist without the devil, heaven could not exist if there wasn’t a hell. So where did hell come from?. It didn’t exist in Adam’s, Noah’s, nor Abraham’s time. It is something that was fabricated so that they could capitalize off of your fear.

matchbwwwwwww

gatiano:
Contrary to popular beliefs/ignorance, Jesus did not die to take anybody sins away, that will be injustice and ungodly, every man would answer for his or her own crime. Jesus did die for the liberation of some, He was born to comfort those that were in bondage, those that were weary, and also to warn the devils of their evil and wicked deeds, this He did wonderfully well.
There is a place in the bible where Jesus casted demon/devil out from someone, and before he could do that, the devil/demon asked Jesus why he was doing casting him(devil) out of a person when it wasn't time. The questions are- what is this time, that is needed to be completed? who was the possess person? and who is this devil? There was nothing extra ordinary in this case.

When Jesus was tempted, The devil told him (Jesus), that if Jesus would bow to him, He would give him the world. Jesus said what shall it profit a man to loose is own soul and gain the world. Why didn't Jesus told the devil "come, you can't give me what you don't own", He didn't say GOD only can give the world to whom ever. why? It is because Jesus knew the time. It was because of this time that Jesus gave up himself.

Jesus was not killed on the cross, he was not tortured or beaten, but the authority of the time wanted him dead. There is a place in the bible where he said "it is paramount for you that i go, so i will go but one would come.." (not word for word as in the bible), He used "go" and not "die".
There was a bounty on Jesus's head. if he was brought alive say 1000, and if he was killed 2000, So Jesus gave a poor soldier the benefit, he raised his hand while the soldier stabbed him quick without a pain rasing up his hand in form of a cross. A lot of people were buried alive in those days, even today a few, that is why we hear of people rising up after been dead for a few days, they were not dead, they are simply in the state of coma. Jesus was in this state too, However, He ascended/was lifted to GOD. this is not superstition or religion, The ascension is pure science of the metaphysical. as you can see something close in the movie interstella.

what is that time? try make your own research.

u contradict the bible sir.

eph1:17-18

Misogynist2014:
YAHWEH is not a monster, it is those that fail to understand that are, in fact we can't really blame them cos sometimes YAHWEH speaks in parables. There is nowhere in the Bible that states that hell is till eternity.

Jesus warned that we should not fear those that can destroy the body but HE that can destroy body and soul in hell. A parable of Jesus about a man planting a vineyard and the enemy coming to sow weed among the good plants, which the man knowing this, suffered not to destroy the weeds lest the good ones be destroyed. The man waited until the vine was ripe for harvest and destroyed the weed in fire. Do you burn weeds forever? Another is the story of Noah's Ark, where God destroyed the people once, whose difference from the pending destruction is fire, are they still being destroyed today in water? They were killed once with eternal effects: they died once and died forever, the same way it is impossible for weed burnt to rise again cos the effect of the Burning had eternal effect.

To nail it on the head, in order to clarify doubt Jude 1:7 called the fire of Sodom eternal fire! Is Sodom burning today? Certainly not. They were burnt once with eternal effects. Though some may point to the Story of Lazarus and the rich man but I want us to know it was only for the purpose of admonition and not for the purpose of telling us what hell is about. The LORD shall destroy evil men and affliction shall not rise second time.

the story of Lazarus was just for admonition??lol

johnydon22:
If you see the comments of Christians in this thread now you will see that
most of them are scared to the marrow of hell, they worship yahweh cus he
threatened to burn you if you don't... yet he is said to be love and just and
merciful all at the same time...that is like eating your cake and having it but
lets not go into that.
(1)
I want whoever is reading this to ask himself "Is a finite sin worth an infinite
punishment?" in plain language The human life as we all know is fleeting
and passes away very quickly lets say like 100years or a little more of that
at most...ok now assuming you start committing sin from the first day you
were born till the day you die (100yrs later) does this worth eternity of
punishment? is it justice? is this characteristic of love? let us leave any
emotional attachment to any religion we practise aside and answer that
question sincerely.
(2)
Ask urself assuming their is life after death in what extension will you exist,
in this planet earth our extension is the human body, we have form.
eyes, nose, mouth tongue, hands, feet, brain, lungs and all this are possible
because we have flesh then if their is a conscious soul that exists after
death in what state? in what form or extension will it exist since we all know
all the things i mentioned above are all human traits.
(3)
Pains as we know it is as a result of sensory neurons in our skin (flesh)
that sends the data to the brain and then it responds to the stimuli/
stimulus.. ok in this assumed state of existing after death, how would you
feel pain? no skin, no brain? not even shape or form? from whence then
comes the pain?
(4)Assuming you are right and their is heaven and hell, you make heaven
and ur mum makes hell and you are fully aware ur mum is burning for
eternity in hell, is that not a torture of its own? can you live with that for
eternity?
(5)Who exactly was hell created for Humans/demons? cus from what you
christians hype (Those that claim to have gone to hell and back) demons
are the ones torturing humans even more than the flames... it leaves me
with a question "Was this hell created for demons or humans?..." did this
god just create hell after creating humans incase man bleeps up, then gather
some more spirit beings keep em there and use em to torture his so loved
humans?
(6)
For all the people shouting "repent for hell is real" if you do something cus
of a reward or cus u might be punished is that thing really good? or you
just did it for ur own selfish interest.
that means without the promise of heaven or threat of hell most of you here
will be bad.
But goodness is not about that "Goodness is doing what is right because
you know it is right" Be good for goodness sake.
..........
If you are good to others because of the promise of heaven, that shows
how little you think of others
If you are good to others because of the threat of hell that shoes how little
you think of urself.. Be good cus it is good.
(7)
How did you get to know that heaven and hell are real?
(a) A book told you?
(b)someone told you?
(c) Did you perceive them with ur conscious mind
if (a) and (b) is ur answer then is that real knowledge? ..how sure are you
that it is the truth?
if (c) is the case it means you have percieved heaven and hell with your
conscious mind just like you do the earth... we have all percieved this earth
with our conscious mind and we all know earth is real, we cant argue about
that!...But we cant say this for neither heaven or hell cus really none of us
have percieved them with our conscious mind.
After all this my conclusion is Be good for goodness sake; Radiate
boundless love towards everything that is known, the earth and every
creature in it and every human in it regardless of any differences...Then you
will learn the true meaning of goodness (morality)
AM NOT HERE FOR ARGUMENT, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT

this is bad thought bros.

gatiano:
You sound like one of those who would have crucified Jesus because he said He was GOD, like those who were shouting "crucify him, crucify him", yet you claim to love Him. You are an hypocrite, all the way from this screen, it is so clear that you are an hypocrite, change for GOD can't be fooled. Like i said, all will go to hell to be washed or cleaned of the sin they commited and the horrors they've experienced. Hypocrites are one of the millions that will spend almost like 300 years to final death in hell, because they will keep saying they believe, while deep in their heart, they do not. I bet you think that donkey spoke back to her tormentor, and A snake spoke and used a hand to give an apple to Eve, or that hell is deep in the ground.
Let me share to you about another kind of hell that most christians will go, in actual fact, this one is literally a place. It is about the rapture, where do you think, people would be raptured to, when the Bible clearly states that the meek shall inherit the earth?

if all will go to hell so that their sins will be washed,what did Jesus come to ??

actually,I love the bible as a whole.but some scripture just gets to some of these Bible quotations are as follows.
isaiah44:25.....he frustrates the token of liars,he maketh diviners mad,that turneth wise men backward and maketh their knowledge foolish....
Jeremiah.33:3..call unto me and I will answer you and show you great and mighty things which you don't know...
these are just two.I have others but intentionally stated two...what is your favorite scriptural quotation..

ifeness:


Ain't you in hell already? No light,no good road, no good transportation etc. must you be set on fire to believe hell is a self created reality?

Imagine someone in jail who believes he might end up in an afterlife jail. Once you are dead you are free.

hmmnm...NYWBT

ebugreat:


The best reasonable post ever on this thread...

if I had seen chronique's post I would not have wasted my time posting..he just said it all.