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 Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Cleric Divorces Wife Who Converted To Christianity & Changed Name by Whysoserious: 12:04am On Jun 27, 2018 |
MarieSucre:Yes I agree. There are lots of pious women in the bible who merits the title prophetess. They have however not violated the law in 1 Corinthians 14:13-14. A woman can't talk in a church. No matter who or what she is. Even if she needs to ask her husband for something, it has to be at home. This was the level of sacredness. Those women you mentioned were pious and yes they were close to God, they however didn't have to go to the church to preach/give a talk about prophesies. The "prophetess" of today however wants to stand on the pulpit or whatever you call where the pastors stand to give talks. They want to show the world that they receive visions and all that and this is clearly against the law of old. You must try to agree something went wrong somewhere. Someone started to attribute less importance to those laws eventually making them redundant. I am positive that someone was not Jesus(pbuh) . Everything has been changed and that is the problem with today's Christian. There are certain things you unlock when you establish a strong connection with God. That doesn't make you a prophetess. That title is sacred. Divine...given to people of very high eminence as far as closeness to God is concerned. The problem a Muslim, like me, might have with a christian is the use of terms inappropriately. A Muslim agrees the highest religious/spiritual leader is sheikh. Never would you see a Muslim tag someone "prophet such and such". Look, that word stands for respect, distinction....only special people can be called that but yeah I understand the English has been taken for granted. It would have been better if Christians used " high priest/priestess". Just like the confusion with the trinity, when you call a certain christian a prophet, so I ask, Moses (pbuh) was a prophet, do you mean to tell me this such and such prophet is like Moses? You say not that kind of prophet but he is close to God. You keep confusing people. It would have been nice to be simple, direct an clear cut. Those people called prophets would have been better called high pastors. I'm just saying. A woman preaching on the altar has violated law and that is sacrilege. I'm moving to your other replies. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Cleric Divorces Wife Who Converted To Christianity & Changed Name by Whysoserious: 11:36pm On Jun 26, 2018 |
MarieSucre:Well, wars were fought. David fought and defeated the amalikites, the philistines and lots more. And not only David. There's Joshua and there is Japhet. There are actually lots of biblical characters that fought battles and why were they fought? To protect the message they were given from God. Now you posting up those long tirade of battles the Prophet of Islam (pbuh) fought and finally ending it with "offensive rather than defensive" I would think that is a little biased on your part. Those holy people of history aren't like you and I and they are given inspiration on a different level. If you call Mohammed's quest offensive, then that goes for every other prophet in the bible that at some point in time had to wage wars against the enemies of God. We do not deny battles were fought...but I still maintain, that is not the teachings of Islam. Writing up those long list of event is a pointless effort to me why? Because I didn't say, " the wars said about Islam is false". If I did, then your tirade would have been a point to prove me wrong. I have said, the killings you see now isn't the teachings in Islam. I would have expected you, as learned and smart as you are, to Quote me verses from the holy Quran where it is written that " and to kill every non Muslim is what your God Allah has ordered you to do and your prophet has shown you an example". I would have gone quiet. What you have done is the equivalent of digging up a list of battles the biblical prophets fought and then making a list of them...that is a waste of time. You must have felt proud doing that? You have not pointed out anything. Yes we do not deny that the prophet fought battles. Lots of it...and he was victorious. He fought so that Islam would not die. He fought so the message could get to this point where it has gotten to. That was the point of the wars. You can't tag that offensive. It is a choice....accept Islam...its one thing to say no...its another to try to destroy the message so yes...the best form of defense is attack. Look, that is not the point. When I attacked Christianity and the the things I find wrong with it, I gave bible verses to present my case. If you believe Muslims are taught to wage wars against non Muslims, physically, military style, then please present your case in a more professional way by showing proofs. Don't show me what I already know. Teach me new things if you have them. You just typed out names of wars a Muslim should be familiar with and?? Maybe you should present to me a Quranic verse that disputes what I said and supports your claim then I would reconsider. Just try to see what you typed here is really pointless. I never said Islam never fought its wars. If I did, that's when the above is relevant, now? Pfft! I didn't bother to read more than 2 lines. I know where you are headed. I would reply your other quotes. You seem learned though you need to listen/read peoples opinion to understand. Not to give a heated reply. Yes the prophet of Islam should be emulated by Muslims, and as far as we can tell, we are doing that. Hardly can we say the same for most of you so called Christians. You do every single thing prophet Jesus (pbuh) never did. Every single thing is fabricated. We emulate the prophet of Islam in deed. He said the wars were to make sure Islam lived on and get to the generations to come. That was his own cross. That was his sacrifice. And he was victorious. He triumphed. Because Islam is God's religion to mankind. Nowhere did the prophet ask Muslims to kill/wage wars on non Muslims. Neither did the Quran say such either. The purpose of the wars past is done. A religion from 1400 years ago is what I discuss with you now so yes those battles were worth it. They hit home and made their marks. You should give me evidence of the prophet of Islam (pbuh) saying Muslims have to wage wars like he did. You should probably read what great minds had to say about him. I wouldn't want to think you will be shallow enough to assume you have a greater mind than the likes of Mahatma Ghandi and some other likeminds. So read what they had to say about the prophet of Islam. Don't just give opinions. I don't blame you though, its what your religion and doctrine is based on. Opinions. Don't do that with Islam though. We don't use the leap of faith. We use the evidence of logic. We use our head. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Cleric Divorces Wife Who Converted To Christianity & Changed Name by Whysoserious: 2:56pm On Jun 26, 2018 |
You probably want to read Numbers 8: 4 - 6 for those of you familiar with Muslim prayers. If Jesus has come not to abolish the laws, this is part of the laws which was on ground prior to him. Why do you divulge away from this teachings? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Cleric Divorces Wife Who Converted To Christianity & Changed Name by Whysoserious: 2:38pm On Jun 26, 2018 |
There are countries in the world who have religiously strict rules. Like killing an apostate and this isn't only in the Muslim countries. Its there in your bible. Deuteronomy 13 : 6-11. Now its there, when a believer defects, how's rogue, even the bible orders you to be the first to kill them if they are your family members. I bet you haven't read that, as a christian. Okay, let's move on. Now, calling this very practice "blind and backwards" is a little ignorant on your part. Christianity has lost its doctrines long ago, when they have started to scan through and pick what works and what doesn't fit into the advancement of their religion. Some Christians actually say "Christianity is a religion that evolves and move with time". Fine. I won't argue. What I will say though is, no one has any right to call a Muslim country, that adheres strictly to the laws governing their very existence as " blind and backwards". Indeed, that is your ignorant opinion but still, you fail to see your foolishness because you haven't read your bible. Would you dispute with the verse I have given you about apostacy? Would you tell me that was in the past before Jesus came? Then I would refute you by saying that same Jesus never changed anything. Tell me one single new law Jesus brought with him? None. He said he has come not to abolish the laws with involves both 1 Corinthians I quotes earlier and this Deuteronomy. A woman shouldn't speak in church and an apostate should be killed by his family member first of all. Now, tell me where the modern day Christianity has gotten all its stands and doctrines from?. Open your eyes. Jesus never preached prosperity on earth and never did he utter..not once..that he was poor on earth so that you his followers could be rich. That's all Paul's doing which is who you guys are like. Paul...not Christlike. Paul like. Paul kept on spouting so many fabricated things that his friend Festus was forced to call him a "mad man". Is that the person whose teachings/opinions you follow? Educate yourself. Do not end up in regret. It was a cruci-fiction. Educate yourself. The Muslim man did the right thing. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Cleric Divorces Wife Who Converted To Christianity & Changed Name by Whysoserious: 2:17pm On Jun 26, 2018 |
I see that some people are still living in the shadow of islamophobia. Well, let me give you a little lecture. Over the course of the generation, if indeed the killing is part of Islamic doctrine, two things would have happened and it would have shaped the world as we know it. Scenario 1. 90% of the world population would have been Muslim by noe because, let's just assume the Muslims indeed got really strong and they focus on spreading the message by a sword. So, say the Muslims were so strong so its just one of two options for a non Muslim. Become a Muslim or die. Of course many would die for what they believe but then many would also become Muslims for fear of their lives. Hereby 90% of the world would have been Muslims at this stage. Scenario 2: There would be no Muslims left. Think about it. If Islam taught the Muslims to kill the non Muslims, the Muslims would be at a disadvantage. Statistically, Muslims are not half of the population of the world. If out of 7 billon, 2billion are Muslims, it would be really easy to wipe them out. Although the remaining 5billion would be of diverse faith, the logic here however is that, the have a common enemy. 5 billion against 2 billion is not even something we should give too much thought to. So, it would have been, the world vs the Muslims. Islam would have been wiped out. Many would die like in scenario 1, many would have been forced to drop the faith. So think about it and educate yourself. Stop generalizing and drowning in your ignorant swine. Think with your head. The people perpetrating this acts are far less than the numbers of Muslims in this country alone. Have you even read much of your own bible? Do you know what Luke 19:27 says??. Wait, you these Christians, you really think you are Christlike? I shake my head for you. Jesus' denial would be real and it would cut like a knife that has been heating for years. You better check facts and study your scriptures well before you end up where you don't wanna. All these we are doing is for a limited time.... We can keep saying let's leave in peace and all that but all this is just surreal...the dead are now awake...we are still dreaming. Choose this day who you worship. Open your eyes my brethrens. Don't throw your life away on false belief. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Cleric Divorces Wife Who Converted To Christianity & Changed Name by Whysoserious: 2:07pm On Jun 26, 2018 |
I'm sorry o. Me I am just confused when a woman now claims to be called by God to be a prophetess. Please which God o? The same God of 1 Corinthians 14 : 34 - 35?. How come there are so many prophetess and female pastors when the bible clearly stands against this?? Its better for her to just tell the husband maybe she wants to go into church business. Its lucrative in this part of the world as we all know so yeah its understandable. When we tell Christians, that atheists and Christians in the west have started to embrace Islam , they start telling us it is a plot. Or perhaps that the devil has taken over the Christians in the west...that is why many churches in the UK have been abandoned, purchased by Muslims and converted into masjids. Issorite, the husband made the right choice. The flock perishes when its fails to understand the instructions of the Shepard. Let her go back to the confusing Trinity. Na she sabi. Thank God the husband sha took things cool. There was no bombing and all that. Alhamdulilah for that. Prophetess called by the Lord lol. Christians. They are so amusing. Anyways, to each his own indeed. Live and let live. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Answers Needed, No One Should Take It Personal by Whysoserious: 10:31am On Jun 10, 2018 |
Gggg102:She being at the back was the mental picture the bible gave. Mental picture is everything. The way you read it is the way you see it. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Question For All Atheists On Nairaland by Whysoserious: 10:22am On Jun 10, 2018 |
To each his own...and mine is that, I believe the world wasn't meant to be perfect, something my religious nature terms "paradise". The world is the world. The stage. The theatre. It was not meant to be perfect and smooth. The simple fact that we aren't aware of our beginning in life here is enough to show that its possible such other life can repeat again. But because the world is just that, and good people die unjustly and the wicked runs the world, my religious nature seems to be at peace with the fact that there would be justice come later. I mean, at first if I believe in a God, then I should also believe in his supreme Justice which isn't human like. There are many things that makes one lose faith. That is faith. It is never stable. It increases and decreases with situation. However, saying there is no God... Well...that is bold for a human. Very bold. We do not even control the things we see in a mere dream. Yes science says its our subconscious mind...but we still can't control it. And we just know we started to exist when we were like 4-5 without even understanding anything. We don't even know what is real. This physical world could be transient. The soul is ethereal. Maybe sleep is just soul transcending to places. But what do we know? But saying there is no God...its huge. You believe there is no God because in the first place, you want to believe the world should be a perfect place. Hmm. Well, the human grows old, wither and perishes(if he is lucky). If not, he dies quite young. If there is a thing as God and his judgement after death, then a good religious soul might be saved. If there isn't a God, a good religious soul has nothing to lose. But if a God does exist, how do you explain why you never believed in him or stopped believing in him?. The world just wasn't meant to be perfect. That should be the basis of the mind. Nothing here is perfect in the material world. Its deeper than just aesthetic. Beautiful things and gadgets. Science and technology. The soul is the third of the trinity. Matter, mind and soul. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Answers Needed, No One Should Take It Personal by Whysoserious: 9:59am On Jun 10, 2018 |
PS... My mind was as inquisitive as yours also. And I was getting depressed too until I actually tried to see why there was so much heat on the second major religion we have in this country. I am not trying to promote things. But if you would think why there is so much heat on something and actually look into it yourself, you will see things you never knew you never knew. Like I said, the bigger picture is what you should try to see. Just don't go back to atheism. That would be an act of ingratitude to God. We don't even know how we got here. John 25: 4-6 demonstrates Jesus -as holy as christiandom see him- as a worm. And the rest of us, maggots. It means we are so tiny. So insignificant. Never should you think we can by our own will get this life. God made all this. Find God in places you don't think you want to... But never go back to atheism. That is the worst you can do. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Answers Needed, No One Should Take It Personal by Whysoserious: 9:51am On Jun 10, 2018 |
Here is my take. I can not provide much answer for you because I don't have them. However, becoming an atheist isn't something you should be considering. You shouldn't be going from trying to see a light back into total darkness. Already you believe in the existence of God only that you haven't discovered a way to connect and see the light. Don't go back to not believing at all. I am not criticizing anyone but the English Bible over the years has become a book Christians are meant to take with "faith". No questions asked whatsoever. So for the simple fact that you are raising questions means you are reading genuinely to find answers. There are lots of illogical things in the bible. You see, Christians filter through this book, take what works for them and ignore the rest and maybe its the English bible and the message portrayed. But numerous times as I have read some parts...they don't make sense. Ask a pastor and they would say " you need the holy spirit to understand". I mean, God's words should be clear,right?. Perhaps you should try to find other ways to link with God. Believe me, if you look at the bigger picture of the situation of the world rn, we are in the dark times. May God give you the grace and opportunity to find him as he has helped others who seeked answers. 4 Likes |
