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So Just because you see Jesus and John the baptist in the Quran means Jesus is God?? Sigh. It is well. To each his own.

You have seen Jesus eh I rest my case then. To each his own... Invitation to Islam reached you. God is my witness....as well as the 2 angels accustomed to me. Peace my brother.

Beginning of what And the end of what I see you are the one on my other thread too haha. I don't have to answer about Thomas again. The fact that men wrote it themselves with a supposedly "Inspiration from the holy spirit" could be subjected to mistakes. I just gave you one contradictions. There are still hundreds to go but for now, no. I don't want you to run. I want to invite you to the true faith. See, Satan knows only Islam can save man, so he makes the west give bad pictures to it. The west is their Engine and they will mislead you from those things they show you. They want you to hate Islam, of which, this is the only way you can be saved. Then will you not accept true salvation before its too late. You have only the bible, I have the knowledge of the bible and the Quran, would you not accept I am more knowledgeable than you?? At least in this area. And to be sincere, I am a revert myself. But I need to show the light to other Christians. That isn't the true worship of God. Like that confusing theory of 3 Gods and come to the worship of One true God.

Well then, let me blow your mind. Since you said we should take the general theme, you might want to read the following verses.

Jeremiah 8:7 (False scribes and the scriptures)
Hebrew 6:1 (Leaving the principles of Christ)
Galatians 6:11(Paul writes the letter to the church).

Then, speaking of dying for Jesus, let me tell you, we believe in Jesus as a prophet sent to HIS people. Although we believe in Jesus, we were told that although we might make use of his teachings, he was only sent to HIS people. I see Nigerian Christians trying to kill themselves over Jesus when clearly the man would most likely deny them come the end of days.

Matthew 1:21
Luke 6:12
Matthew 10: 5-6
Acts 13:23
Matthew 19:28
Matthew 15:22-24

All these verses point to Jesus clearly clearly CLEARLY stating that he was sent to ONLY...ONLY...ONLY...ONLY...ONLY... the lost sheep of Israel. How Nigerians are Israelite is something that baffles me. You say you believe in Jesus yeah?, so please tell me, which of Jesus' teachings does a mainstream Christian use today??. You know majority of you all do the very OPPOSITE of what Jesus basically thought. Mark 10:17-31 talks of the rich man who came to Jesus. Now, Jesus asked him to sell his possessions and follow him, what happened, he turned away.
Today however, pastors who should be the epitome of Christ life, are amongst the richest people on earth. They own private jets and huge industries. So I ask, what part of Jesus are you emulating exactly. Although Jesus himself knows people like your pastors because he once warned his people to "do what the Jews leaders preach but don't do what they do because they do not do what thy preach". Look, you guys just face the part of the bible that speaks of prosperity. Jesus never said he was dying so you guys could amass so much wealth. he preached the EXACT OPPOSITE. Don't amass wealth in this world as they will only become food for termites. Jesus had so much to say but your doctrines have turned it all around. This isn't the worship of Jesus. Jesus believed in the one good God in heaven. Son of God is mentioned 81x while son of God hardly was used 15x yet you would neglect the son of man and just say he is son of God.

Back to the prophecy of the prophet in Deuteronomy 18:18, please I beg you to tell me who that prophet was and then I would go into Isaiah to complete the rest of the prophecy for you. Who is the prophet being spoken of to Moses.

Plus, that story of the Thomas incident could very well be interpolated. It occurs twice in the bible. There is a narration in John...and another in Luke. Let us view them.

Luke 24:36-49
Here Jesus appears to All.All of them and no one was absent.

John 20:24-31
However here, Jesus appears but Thomas was "missing". So here we come to understand that Jesus (allegedly) appeared to his disciples once and then ascension. So, I ask you, sir, which of the account should we take to be credible?. One of these accounts have to be false. Because from the incident that occurred only once, these two records give two different accounts. So, either John or Luke has not been truthful and yet you will claim "the bible is a word of God inspired by the holy spirit". Fine, so who is lying and who is not



Regardless of what you choose, you must accept this is a huge problem. So either the whole doubting Thomas story was just fabricated to make the Crucifixion more believable or the writers are confused. So, we can not use the doubting Thomas as an argument for Jesus is God.

I and my father are one... John 10: 30 and this is a big problem too. Jesus was of very high intelligent and sometimes he gets quite angry with the dumbness of his disciple. Here, in the context, he is telling them that, after all this time I am trying to show you the way to God and you still don't get it. I and my father are one (in purpose). You want to see God, follow me. Obey me and I am the way to God. My teachings will give you life. But they wanted to take every word he says literally. We do you think he never said "I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob"?? Wouldn't that have sounded more like Yahweh??. He used careful and ambiguous analogy to depict his closeness to God yet you Christians still don't get it. We understand his disappointment when he said "My flock perish because they lack wisdom". That was the problem he had with his people. They do not understand his word. No matter how hard he tried.

First, we have to clear the "which version of the bible to use" criterion. King James which is undoubtedly the most recognized says "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." If God was talking about Israelite, he would not use brethren, rather it would been among thyself. A brother to Israel is the Arab because Ishmael is the line of Arab while Isaac is of Israel. So a prophet among their brethren is a prophet from Arab.

Originakalokalo:
No.

Ask your questions one after the other... Let me give you answers...


Yes?

Number one question....

Uhm, actually Bro, I haven't asked any question. I am only trying to bring awareness to Christians that they have deviated from the true path of faith. Jesus never claimed to be God worthy of worship, hence the whole Jesus is God thing is simply fabricated. In fact, the Trinity itself is fabricated and it has no real root in the Bible, the only part that comes close to this is the John 5:7 which talks about the three bearing records in heaven etc. However, it has later been discovered that this part of the bible is an interpolation because it has no source in the Greek manuscript. So its possible the counsel of NICAEA injected this into the early bible releases to set the minds of their followers on the path of Trinity. Jesus, as well as all prophets before him preached Monotheism which was the Abraham faith. Total submission to God which is simply the Arabic word....Islam. So no, I have no questions to ask you sir. You would most like try to get answers from the bible and the bible is not entirely dependable. So much has been done to it though we have the real gospel of Jesus scattered here and there in it. The totality of which amounts to less than 15% of the bible. So, Islam isn't a religion for the Arabs alone. It is for the whole world. People have a chance to follow the true worship of God while they breathe as death marks the end of the grace. Jesus and all other prophets were Muslims. Islam isn't defined as one for follows Mohammed...it is defined as total submission to God and this is what all prophets did. May God help us to find the true way to worship him.

tartar9:
Accept what?
That worthless murdered crucified beast you worship!
By soon,do you mean the xtian definition of soon;as in "jesus is coming soon"
Idiots!

Easy Bro. We have to explain to them. That is our own Daw'ah. And we just have to do it calmly. Like the Rasullulah taught us to.

Cr7sBabe:
Y are you all shouting army uniform...say something else na.

How about Police uniform? Navy? You can suggest anything,y' know.

baysol:
What demented Islam are you talking about that will soon be destroyed. Rev. 14:8 the immorality is all the killings in the name of Islam repent and accept Christ today and be saved.

Will you be the one to destroy Islam....sir. Even Jesus said his flock perish for their lack of wisdom. You have eyes but do not see sir. Open your eyes. All the prophets in Christianity aren't Christians....those before Moses weren't even Jews. You will sing Father Abraham is God's friend but are you aware he was neither a Jew nor a Christian. He had attained the level of God's friend long before Moses and Jesus came which means, Muslims have more claim to Abraham than Christians. Even Jesus was not a Christian. You are practicing fabricated Doctrines of Paul.

Jeremiah 8:7 (False scribes and the scriptures)
Hebrew 6:1 (Leaving the principles of Christ)
Galatians 6:11(Paul writes the letter to the church).

Read the above to open your eyes. Every prophet is a Muslim. I advice you to take some time to make open minded researches. The soul is the most of our existence. If we lose it in false faith, you are on your own when Jesus denies you on the day of Qiyamah. Resurrection. And never ever say Islam will be destroyed again. Even if you say it, it makes no sense. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the West right now... in a matter of years, numerically, Islam will dominate. IF you can't beat them, join them and save yourself. Learn the true worship of God.

Bonus: remember when Jesus says he has come not to abolish the laws?? well, read Nehemiah 8: 4-6. This is one of the laws he has come to uphold. Don't be prejudiced, read them.

They have come again with Jesus is God theory. How many times must you be told Jesus is not God.
A. Is it because of his miraculous birth?
Jesus,John and the children of Abraham.
When we speak of miraculous birth to make a character God, then the noble people mentioned in bold all fall in the same category and should be Gods...by Christian belief.
We all know -biologically- how menopause works. You get to a certain stage and it just is impossible to reproduce offsprings. So, for Abraham(pbuh) to have fathered children at his old age is a miracle. Same goes for Zechariah and Elizabeth to have John at an old age. These are miracles. They aren't expected to be able to have children but God made a miracle out of them. Mary (pbuh) was a virgin who was also expected not to have a man. Infact, if such a thing was to happen in modern day, we wouldn't believe because we'd just have a concensus that such a lady was only pretending to be a virgin so there isn't much proof to this being a miracle. It isn't as clear as old people having children at old ages. So even the Christian argument to state that Mary was a virgin and that Jesus was of a miraculous birth is quite weak.
In the Quran however, the process of vindicating Mary was explicitly stated. The people were surprised, astonished as to how a lady who claimed to be a virgin could conceived and she only directed them to ask Jesus(pbuh) of how he came to be. So as far as Jesus is concerned, the Muslims have a concrete evidence of Jesus being of marvelous birth; the angel giving the glad tidings to Mary,Jesus(pbuh) spoke as a baby to vindicate his mother of all suspicions. The Christians however just have the account of the angel coming and Mary's word of Jesus(pbuh) being a command from God. You think the jews with their strict religious rule just let her be just because she said the child was from God? That isn't the point of discourse, the point is, Christians consider Jesus(pbuh) to be God just because of his miraculous birth, how about John, Isaac and Ishmael??. Are their births not miraculous?? So why is Jesus God and John and the others aren't?. Okay, why don't you worship Melchesedek or whats his name??. That high priest who was described to "have no family, no beginning nor end"?. Adam should be more of a God than Jesus as he is different from us and never stayed in the womb.

In many places in the Gospel, Jesus(pbuh) keeps redirecting you to God as the only God but yet you people ask him to keep quiet and accept the title for himself. What is wrong with you people??. Anything created can not be God. Anything that is created can be undone...can God undo himself?. Will a jealous God create another God??. In fact, did Jesus unequivocally state that "I am your God worthy of your worship"??. You are on your own when he denies you in the end ooo. And about prophecies.... you keep talking about Daniel. How about the prophecy Jesus gave?? About the sign of Jonah?? Matthew 12 : 38 - 45. Was this prophecy from Jesus himself fulfilled. If you claim ALL prophecies has been fulfilled, then you must admit that Deuteronomy 18:18 has been fulfilled and you are not following the said prophet. Do you still maintain all prophecies have been fulfilled??.

I'm not saying she did a good thing but not everyone who wears a hijab or stuffs is actually as pious as we expect them to be. We want to see them as saints...or better still, angels. NO. I am a Muslim and I assure you if you dig the internet well, you might come across pictures of ladies in hijab doing immoral things. So a religion can be flawless but those practicing it aren't. No need to start saying she should do it with hijab. If she does, will there be civil war??. No we would only rant just as we did when Falz did that video. We don't get to judge those that commit sacrilege anymore. I would love to see what the catholic body do about this though. It is an open rebellion and I would wait to see how they tackle it. Of course, there might be Nuns who actually do this, but they do it covertly and that gives a different meaning entirely to the fact. Just as they might be hijab sisters who are fornicators but are covert about it. The fact that you do it secretly could still get you forgiveness from God but doing it so open as this one did...no. Sacrilege of the highest degree. That's just how I see it. It really should be addressed otherwise, worse would come. This is only smoking, I assure you worse would come. At least some Islamic bodies confronted Falz about it. That is effort enough. I'd like to see how the catholic handles this.

Some times when we try to speak with our Christian brothers concerning the bible and the interpolations it has been subjected over the years, they are quick to utter statements such as "see these muslims, they say our bible is corrupted, yet they will make some references they claim seems to be pointing at Islam and their prophet Mohammed". Well, to be frank, that is quite accurate and this is because we are trying to point out the mainstream similarity between the two religions. There really shouldn't have been two religions because Jesus never named a religion. He preached to the people to follow God. Which is what all the prophets did. Now the clearness of that message is what a mainstream Muslim like myself would see as a teaching of Jesus(pbuh) to follow. I love him and I obey him. He is a teacher to us all.
Now, you should know what Islam means. Submission to God. Which is what Jesus and all other prophets before him did. That is why God mentioned in the Quran in Quran 3, the family of 'Imran, aya/verse 65 that, People of the Book! Why do you dispute with us about Abraham even though the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until after the time of Abraham? Do you not understand? Now let us shift our attention to the people of the old testament and we would take Abraham as our point of focus. We all know Abraham is the friend of God. He was a man of great faith and God spoke a lot about him for the generations to come so we can learn and understand that people who hold on their faith to God alone will be blessed by God. Now in this ayat of the Quran, God is calling the Christians to the statement that "If you do not accept Jesus as your personal Lord and savior, you will perish and you will be condemned to hell". Then in verse 66, Allah the most high says "Behold, you are those who have disputed greatly concerning matters which you knew; why are you now disputing about matters that you know nothing about? Allah knows it whereas you do not know." Quran 3:66. This means they are not even sure of the meaning of that statement about Jesus. Then Allah, the merciful says in ayat 67 "Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian; he was a Muslim, wholly devoted to God.59 And he certainly was not amongst those who associate others with Allah in His divinity." This is where we focus on.
Now God states that Abraham who we all know, is neither a christian...nor a Jew...and that is because he came way before Moses the leader of the Jews and Jesus. He was neither these two but then he was able to attain the title of "the friend of God". How did he do this?? By worshiping God alone. Not attributing anything else. No son, No Trinity. He simply recognized God as the creator worthy to be worshiped and that is what he did. This is enough to show that Muslims have more claims over Abraham than the Christians. Concerning corruption, it doesn't necessarily have to mean the whole entity we are considering is invalidated. So it is safe to say a huge part of the Bible is corrupted...particularly the new testament but not the whole bible. The bible still contains some actual excerpts from the Torah and the real Gospel (Injil). However, in Christendom, these parts are hardly spoken about talk less or being adhered to. The majority focus of Christianity has shifted from Jesus speaking about not amassing wealth of the eat because the termites will feast on them eventually to have prosperity in the world. That is what churches preach mostly now. They have come to think that the ones who are blessed by God are the ones who are obviously well to do. Some would even go as far as tell the world that "Jesus was poor and died on the cross mainly so I can be prosperous in this world". No. that is blasphemy. Jesus preached to people to sell their worldly properties, distribute the money among the poor and focus on God and the hereafter. Not once will you come across a statement of Jesus asking you to amass wealth. Besides, in the Quran, God explains to us that God told Abraham that he blesses whomever he wishes to. A God-fearer or not. This goes to debunk the christian belief that blessings of God are only for the righteous. It isn't easy for many Christians to admit the truth of the Quran and that is understood because they hardly know 2% of the contents of the bible. Perhaps if you read more and read the Quran as well your mind might be open. This isn't written to demoralize anyone, rather, it is an attempt to continue the work of the prophets in calling people to the one true God. The writer isn't better than the reader but rather a mirror to a fellow human.

No Muslim should have to disagree with this. I am a Muslim but I would be the first to condemn this terrible act of sacrilege. Yes we fumed when Falz did the video and we also fume at this as well because they symbolize faith and a mainstream religious person wouldn't be biased about that. This picture is just so bad but in the end, we have to realize we are approaching the end times. We have to witness such things. So all this just to get followers and fashion??. It is well...and yes we have problems with this as well. At least God is a common factor to our faiths and beliefs so please we all agree that this should be condemned...and for those people who seems to forget, you see the hell we religious people speak of, it is still as hot as our imagination can picture it. Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But it has to house some people... may God save us from the disgrace.

Shouldn't we try to be?? If everybody just goes with the mindset that we aren't Godly so we can do whatever we please, then we would drift into anarchy. Some of us are trying to be Godly, seeing things like this is disturbing. I await her to try this with Islam... i will surprise her to know we don't take such things lightly. End time views...all just in the name of fashion and followers seeking. I pray God help us.

Inception:
We are religious , yes
But are we Godly?

please answer.

It's true the Prophet of Islam(pbuh) was asked to ask the people of the book about his status as a prophet if he doesn't understand at that time, however, the people of the book have sooo much to learn from us. Concerning Jesus being the WORD of God according to John 1:1. This WORD here isn't pointing at Jesus (pbuh) . God has always had what no man would have. Creative will/power. All he has to say is "be! " and it is. That is the WORD in John 1:1. That power is the WORD. Now, let us go into Psalm 33:7 "By the WORD of the Lord were the heavens made and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth". Here shows that that WORD isn't a person. But a power. Our Quran finally says in Quran 6:73 that Allah creates all things with his WORD. To clear the confusion for us, he told us that some of the people of the book who have misunderstood will argue but we should tell them that Quran 3:59 to Allah, the likeness of the creation of Jesus (pbuh) is like that of Adam (pbuh). The creative power makes God create something from absolutely nothing. Jesus (pbuh) on the other hand, needs a something to make another something. Eg, turn water into wine. Turn 5 loaves of bread into thousand etc. This shows he can't make something out of nothing. This is because he doesn't have the word that God possesses. So Jesus (pbuh ) isn't the word of God. Jesus (pbuh) wasn't born like the rest of us. Adam's (pbuh) creation is even more glorious... But he isn't worshiped. Finally, Melchizedek would have been a more accepted god than Jesus(pbuh) because he had no parents, no beginning and no end. Stop confusing the power of God to be Jesus(pbuh). He didn't even tell you these things and the things he said aren't followed these days. You have to go back to his teachings of monotheism. Worship of the one true God. Just like the prophets before him... And just as the last and final prophet after him did.

tomakint:
My Muslim friend, we are discussing something way ahead and beyond you here you can take your "evangelism" elsewhere!

My Christian friend, don't be lost. Already there is obviously a different opinion about the nature of God and Jesus. You don't need to argue about all these things. And I haven't even given you my personal opinion. All these are in the bible. All the reference. How is confusion beyond and ahead of Islam Don't perish. God loves his servants. All of us. Romans 6:22 says so. Also, pay some attention to the Old Testament... Nehemiah 8:4-6. This is true worship. Seek God and let him find you. Drop all these things that Christ never authorized. If what you are discussing is beyond and ahead of Islam, are you claiming to be in the class of those Mark 16: 17-18 speak of All these things are deceitful. Drop them and find God.

Well, when Christian folks come to the concensus that Jesus never was, is and will be God, they should probably scrutinize further the teachings of Jesus because most of their practices today are the things written in the letters of Paul to the Galatians. See Galatians 6:11. So clearly Jesus might have called himself the "son of God", he most probably meant in obedience because he stated on the mountain, one of the 8 beatitudes, "blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the sons of God". Sadly the gospel he preached can't be found in their context for he clearly didn't have a Bible under his armpit when he sits in the synagogues to preach. He most likely elaborated on Mosaic laws. See Hebrews 6:1. If the principles of Christ is abandoned, what principles is in use?. Furthermore, the account of Paul's story is a bit confusing. Acts 9:7 Paul's companions heard the voice but didn't see who Paul was speaking to. Acts 22:9 Paul's companions saw the light but didn't hear any voice. Many other contradictions like this and we don't know what to make of the whole thing. Lastly, in over 5 places that I know where Jesus is clearly shown to have been sent to the people of Israel. So, why not look into connecting with God on a more general ground? Jesus said he was sent to Israel in so many places and verses like John 3:16 can only be seen as interpolation and contradiction because Jesus said in multiple places that he was sent ONLY to Israel and then he says world in John 3:16 and a couple of other places. And if the founder of Christianity has suggested to leave the doctrine of Christ, don't you think a deviation has occurred??. We are running out of time... The anti Christ is at hand... Secure your soul with God before it is too late. Imagine thinking your sins have been wiped away by a blood only to discover that your sins have been piling and to make matters worse, the one you had hope on tells you to get away from him because he doesn't know you. What a painful day it would be because souls will be lost due to ignorance. Jesus said his people perish because they lack knowledge.

When Jesus speaks, he says, "o Israel....I am a man approved by God among you " but when Mohammed speaks, he says "O mankind.... I am God's prophet to you.". Israel and Mankind. You can see the difference. Don't get caught up in things God and Jesus didn't even authorize. Save your soul. Ask a Muslim how to. Allah loves us all. Come and join the Ummah of the prophet of mankind. It's free. Absolutely and the sins would truly be washed away for real now.

I do not where to begin this because I am getting two different views now.

@Mr Origina, you seem to have mixed the stories up. The event of the mark 11 : 13 is quite different from what you are giving me. You are giving me the explanation of Luke 13:6-9. Now, Jesus was not going to eat the jewish Nation as you are claiming LOL. These are two distinct different stories. Mark says Jesus approached it 1. Because he was hungry 2. Expecting to find fruit but he also added 3. For it was not the season of fig. I don't know how you explain this. Was Mark trying to confuse the people?? Or are you the one doing the thinking now that IT WAS the season of the fig and Mark was either lying, or made a mistake or....idk. You tell me. You call it the total word of God so...I don't know why this confusion is creeping up...and imagine, this lies on man's salvation.

Now I don't know, you guys should come to an agreement, Is Jesus a chief angel or word?? Or are these the same?

Now @Mr Philip, you said "only-begotten means to create wholly without any means or through any medium by the creator". It's funny because, in an attempt to prove/defend faith, we set aside our regular and mainstream knowledge of the English language. We all know what beget means, but here you are probably giving me the Holy spirit translated version. Any ways, as far as son of God title goes, it can still be explained. If you check this link, you will see how all the bible version refer to the word beget
http://biblehub.com/psalms/2-7.htm
It means to father, to sire. simple. I wonder how you guys will fix the son and the father together into one mental picture. Fantastic. But In the end I have probably wasted our precious times LOL. It is clearly evident we do not worship the same God. We worship the God Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and the others spoke about. The very God the father in heaven that Jesus himself spoke about is who we Muslims worship. The Christians worship Jesus the God who died for their sins. It is settled then. To each his own as we await the arrival of the messiah. Salam...Shalom.

enilove:
Jesus is the Son of God and as a Son of God , he is a God like his Father.
A child of the devil is a devil.

For the issue of the FIG TREE , Jesus wanted us to know the essence of having faith in prayers :

Mark 11:13-14,20-26 KJV
And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet .
[14] And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.
[20] And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
[21] And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
[22] And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have FAITH IN GOD .
[23] For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
[24] Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them , and ye shall have them .
[25] And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
[26] But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

FROM THE ABOVE VERSES , YOU CAN SEE THAT IT WAS ABOUT HAVING FAITH IN GOD.

Jesus compared the tree to a mountain , which means a problem.
The tree was expected to recognise his creator and bear fruit for his creator irrespective of the seasons but refused to by wanting to subject his Creator to laws of nature or whatever which made God to curse it.
The same applies to children of God , if we believe , even what seems impossible will be possible for us. Just like what Joshua did in the verse below :

Joshua 10:12-14 KJV
Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
[13] And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
[14] And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.


Lastly ,the fig tree was created by God and it is no SIN to cut it down or to ask it to wither . There is no place where it is written that cutting down of a tree or asking it to wither amount to sin , but abiut the power we children of God have over things created by God , as long as we have faith.

I am not trying to argue but you said "The tree was expected to recognize his creator and bear fruit for his creator irrespective of the seasons but refused to by wanting to subject his Creator to laws of nature or whatever which made God to curse it".
By this, you mean to say the tree was supposed to bear fruit when Jesus/God approached it, even when it was not the season of the fig?. You know this does not sound right, right?. It's like you're saying, the very nature was supposed to be altered just because Jesus/God needed something at that moment without his direct intent to perform a miracle. Do you understand what I am trying to say?. It's like, every river approached by Jesus should automatically pathways for him to get through or fishes should just fly out because Jesus wants to eat fish or you know...things should just happen naturally without him willing it.

Let's assume nature was stubborn at that time, was cursing it the answer?. You realize come season of the fig, the tree would have borne fruit and people would have benefited. And instead of using the cause as a sign of faith, why not instead use the bringing forth of fruit when it was not the season and show the disciples and people around that, if you have faith, even if it is not the season of fig, you can make fig come out??.

Don't use the instance of Joshua. I don't think it corresponds. One was seeking help from God, the other was destroying stuffs because he was disappointed he couldn't find fruit. Why do you worship him as a God when he clearly made an irrational decision there?. This does not prove he is divine. In fact, it shows he is human who falls under the same influence of hunger and anger like us. If it was the season of the fig tree, its another case.

1. He miscalculated the timing of the season.
2. He was a bit disappointed and so cursed it.

Different Christians have different views about this. Some tell me maybe..MAYBE he saw evil spirits in the fig tree and so he cursed it. You must agree with me that cursing the tree never to bear fruit is quite irrational. he could easily have ordered it to bear fruit and tell the disciple they could do these with faith. He is not God. He is a man, who was hungry, hoping to find some fruit on a fig tree, disappointed at this, he cursed it out of anger. Simple. Stop dillydallying. Mark 12:29,John 17:3 a few verses like these ought to have Jesus clearly and unequivocally declare himself God and worthy of Worship. But through out the bible, we never find him claiming to be God so why do you take it upon yourself to call him God?. When the man didn't call himself so?

0temSapien:
It's because you do not really worship the same god as them, period! They worship Yahweh, one of the creatures of God Almighty(Existence) while you worship Allah, one of the creatures of God Almighty as well. There was even a time when both Yahweh and Allah were fighting for position and power and they ended up falling into a two-mouthed pit they had dug earlier.

Read
Nimshi 5:27-40
27. And Yahweh said, am I not greater than you? Now shall I show how great I am. And Allah said, who made you greater than me?
28. Now I shall take up that seat which you boast of. And I shall throw you into the deep pit which we have made.
29. And Yahweh said, if indeed you have the power to throw me there, now let us fight and see which of us is more powerful. Now shall I push you into the deep pit and you shall not be able to come out of it forever.
30. And the pit which they had dug before was just at the base of the great mountain on whose top were the twenty-four thrones surrounding the throne of Yahweh.
31. Then some of the winged homos fought in favour of Yahweh while the rest of them fought in favour of Allah.
32. And Yahweh and Allah strove for days and weeks and no one prevailed.
33. And around that time was esias, one of the messengers of Yahweh which he always sent to the centre of the continent come to the mountain of Yahweh in Eden.
34. And at that time did Allah hang on to the cloth of Yahweh because he was almost fallen off the great mountain.
35. And Yahweh tore his cloth off his own body such that Allah began to fall. But Allah opened his mouth and yelled a great yell which also blew Yahweh off the mountain at another side of the mountain.
36. And they both fell and landed into the great pit they had made themselves. And the saying of God the Consciousness was fulfilled.
37. And esias saw Allah as he fell down like the movement of a star.
38. Then did he go to the continent to tell the people of the fight which had existed between Yahweh, also called Satan, and Allah who was Lucifer.
39. And the winged homos of both Allah and Yahweh kept on fighting among themselves. For Michael and Gabriel had turned against each other. And Michael had decided to go with Allah while Gabriel had chosen Yahweh. And they fought themselves.
40. And for a thousand years after was relative peace upon the earth, because all those who altered the peace had fallen into the pit they dug themselves.

Wakanda shit is this LOL

enilove:
Let's take them one by one .

How does the cursing of the fig tree relate to whether the Christians and Muslims worship the same God ?

Prove your point from the above and relative it to the thread.

Okay. So like I stated, in religion there are always branches and sects. Now, let's assume since many Christians see Jesus as son of God and also God, I was trying to start from that side to clear the confusion. If the Christian who decides to answer is of the notion that Jesus is not God but the son of God, then we would skip the first question. However, if this person claims Jesus to be God, then I would want them to explain to me that very verse.

Anyways threads apart, I still need a christian to explain what the symbolism of that act of cursing the fig tree was. How do you as a christian translate this verse?.

But okay, let me summarize it.
1. Why did Jesus curse the fig tree because he was hungry and he didn't get fruit on the tree as it wasn't the time of the fig.
2. Why is the son of God used more by christians even though the bible mentions the son of man 81x?
3. What did Jesus mean by he would be Like Jonah was in the belly of the fish?
4. How do you prove Jesus is the Legitimate and BEGOTTEN son of God?

Lobatan. Forget the Quran tirade. Too high level. Not every one can understand that so naturally it should bore most people. Let's focus on these questions first.

LOL.... of course. This should be the normal reaction. At least my tirade is true and I still haven't found a single christian to answer the questions. Sad.

Okay I understand many christians don't believe the God of the bible is the God of the Quran, are you of the Christians that understands that there is a God, and then there is Jesus?. You see, I won't lie to you, I am a slave to the truth and I swear I would not lie. We gain nothing in that. I have come to understand no matter the religion, there would always be sects and branches. This is on deeper study of religions and I have tried to research quite a few. In Islam, we have two major sides, we have the Sunnis and shia and we have some differences....but the Sunnis are more than the shias so majorly the Sunnis dominate. In my study of Christianity, there are many christian divisions. I have these elderly neighbor, she says she is a Mormon and she said Jesus is the third of the God head and therefore, Jesus is God. I love Jesus, I read the bible and I really like the 8 beatitudes on the mountain. I had a little discussion with this woman and I was a bit confused about the nature of Jesus(God) in this verse Mark 11:12–14. I told her I don't think this would have been an attribute of God because 1. Jesus(God) was supposed to know it was not the season of the fig and 2. Rather than curse the fig tree here, God would have done another miracle and make the fig tree bring forth fruit when it was not the time for it.
Later, she told me Jesus was telling a parable to the disciples. I would not take this idea and many more and so she decided she would invite her Bishop from the Jesus Latter day saints to come have a dialogue with me. I can't even call myself a scholar of Islam yet but here I was, supposed to face the highest personnel in the latter day church haha but I assure you, I held up pretty well. I can only say I read lots of scriptures. Just yesterday, the Bishop came over to talk to me and we started to talk. We went back to the cursing of the fig tree and I asked him to explain it to me. He said that part was symbolic of something and I asked what? and he came with the holy spirit and faith thing. I don't like this. I asked him, does this mean, if a man stranded on an island found a bible, he wouldn't be able to understand that this is supposed to be the words of God? So he said something which I want to confirm. He told me that the bible has a lot of interpolations in it and that is owing to the long period of translations. I told him saying a statement like this was equal to shooting oneself in the leg because if a bishop says the bible has been corrupted, how does the christian know which is the interpolation or not??. He came back to the holy spirit and no I won't take it of course. So, here, I would tender my questions.

1. What does the cursing of the fig tree signify?. If you feel this is divinity then please explain how to me.
2. If the bible used "the son of man" 81 times and "the son of God" way less than 12 times in the bible, why do Christians stick to this more?
3. We all would agree that no prophecy would go unfulfilled because Jesus (pbuh) said so and I believe. Prophesies in revelation are different.
They refer to the end times and that was not when Jesus preached although he would return. Now, Jesus was saying no prophecy prior to
and in his time will go unfulfilled. Now there is a certain prophecy which "got away" as it occurs to me because Christians do not refer to it
although Jesus clearly stated it. Matthew 12:38–41. This is the sign of Jonah. I would say this prophecy got away although we Muslims
believe it was fulfilled but the Christians never talk about it. Please explain.
4. This one is actually big because I spend a lot of time thinking about it. It has to do with the BEGOTTEN state of Jesus in legitimacy to being
God's son. We would all agree majority of Christians do not believe that Ishmael is a legitimate son of Abraham, I asked why and they
claimed Isaac was refer to as "my only son" by Abraham in the bible and this is owing to the fact that ABRAHAM AND HAGAR ARE NOT
LEGALLY MARRIED. I would have no disagreement with this concept because it is quite logical as far as legitimacy of marriage goes. But here
is my question. In the beatitude, Jesus said "blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called THE SONS OF GOD". Now I ask, what is
Jesus trying to say here? That the peace makers would be his brothers and sisters?. Would they also be BEGOTTEN sons of God?. A regular
christian would say no. That Jesus is not a mere SON OF GOD but a PRACTICAL, DIRECT AND BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. Now I ask them
to explain this to me. I don't want to believe we need the holy spirit to explain this English Phrases. SON OF GOD and BEGOTTEN SON OF
GOD. The answers I have gotten so far are far from satisfactory and I wonder how Christians do not see the trap in this. If we would break it
down, we would come to the epiphany that Christians have been saying something negative about the Almighty God all along. Let's try to
break it down.

A. Abraham + Sarah(Legally married wife) = BEGOTTEN SON ISAAC
B. Abraham + Hagar (Servant of the Abraham family,no legal marriage, illegal union) = Son Ishmael partial bastard as far as legitimacy goes.
Out of wedlock.


Now Before Mary conceived of Jesus, what would we call Mary?? Servant of God or Daughter of God?? Let's take servant of God first.
If BEGOTTEN means more than just a SON OF GOD.

God + Mary (servant of God, no legal marriage) = Son Jesus.

from B in the above,

God + Mary (servant of God, no legal marriage) = BEGOTTEN son Jesus..partial Bastard as far as legal marriages goes....Out of wedlock.

This is if you agree Mary is a SERVANT OF GOD.

IF Mary is a CHILD OF GOD...

God + Mary (Daughter of God due to divine blessing of the divine womb) = BEGOTTEN Son...Jesus. Incest. THIS IS WORSE.

Now, if the word BEGOTTEN son is to have more value than SON OF GOD Jesus mentioned in the Beatitude, then that means, Christians either calls God a God that practices Incest with his daughter or a God who brought forth a partial Bastard with his servant. In Islam, we don't have all these confusing concepts and yes I would still come back to the Quran and some comments made.

It must be noted I am not trying to offend anyone with these, but let us just consider these things like regular people without the holy spirit. Let's just assume at this moment I am an atheist having issues with the logic behind the state of the Nature of Jesus as a BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. Also please take into accounts what Acts 3 : 25 - 26 says in the King James version vs The New king James version.

I have come to ask a few of the questions here because the Bishop had to tell me he would come another day and have a "proper" conversation with me. I imagine he would prepare a load of defenses for the bible LOL but the more I read the bible, the more Questions I need to ask Christians who believe in the totality of this to be the words of God.

Let me speak a little about the Quran so it isn't one-sided. Everything in the Quran is God's words on the Muslim's part. Now the structure of the Quran is what makes it stand aside from the other scriptural books in the world. It's not in a 3rd person view... for example, the only times when God isn't saying "I am this or that" or "I made this and that.." the Quran shows God to be saying "Remember when WE gave the Israelite dominion over their enemies....". Try to get my drift. Now, you won't find something like "and so Jesus approached a tree and he was hungry..." like it was a story..no. If that was to happen, it would be "remember when WE told Jesus, son of Mary, to approach such and such place.." and when you read this, you understand this is like a manual book where the owner and maker of the book is calling your attention to something. God is always direct. Do this, don't do that EOD. Clear. In some parts, he said "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." Quran 9 : 5. I don't know why Christians genuinely believe this refers to Christians. Polytheists. Are Christians polytheists?. Do you worship multiple gods? A mainstream Christian would ideally not see this as Christians because they don't believe in the Trinity. Rather they believe in one God and maybe Jesus as his son. Either ways, they aren't polytheists. Polytheists were the pagans in Saudi Arabia in those times and besides, there was a treaty. We all know what a treaty is. If our soldiers and boko haram was to have a treaty because the boko haram senses our soldiers over powering them, it means they want to arrive at a consensus, right? A general agreement. Actually, this is a terrible analogy because we have to kill them on sight but I'm just trying to raise the general agreement point. Now, if after the treaty, they continue to go against the agreement, then our soldiers would be ordered by Our president to kill them on sight. Well, why should this be different to what happened in the Quran?. And yes you might want to say there should be freedom of choice. Paganism in Islam is what we call Shirk, and this is the most major sin. The one most hated by God. So worshiping things carved by man or stones and stars or whatever was very annoying to God as he clearly started in the Old Testament that he is a Jealous God.
Now, we Muslims believe every prophet in the bible were Muslims. When you are not a polytheist, then you are a monotheist as long as believing in God goes. It is now in the world that we don't have prophets that people choose to either believe in one God or not. Abraham would never have said "you can choose to believe in God or not". Neither would Moses, nor the others. They all said one thing "Believe in God and worship only God because only him has dominion over all things. Blessed be his name". Mohammed (pbuh) has the most gathering of people who believed in him and that's why he was able to wage wars then. He wouldn't be subjected to humiliation from mere mortals when he was a servant of God. He waged the wars because the enemies of Islam who didn't want the truth would have loved to kill him and silence the truth he was spreading. To us, we call the Jews Yehudi and Christians are Nasara. This isn't gotten from nazareth, no. Nasara means follower of Christ and these were the early disciples because in Quran 61 : 14, God narrated to us that "Jesus asked who would be his followers in worshipping God and the disciples said they were with him". This was said after he he said in this same Quran 61: 5 - 6 "That he has come to bring the gospel and upload the laws of the Torah(Moses's Commandments) and to confirm the coming of someone after him who's name is Ahmad". I'm not making this up, its for real. Later we would find in Deuteronomy 18 - 18 that there was a prophecy about a Prophet to come. He would be like Moses but he would be raised from amongst the brother of the Israelite. We Muslim believe this is the prophecy Jesus was talking about and we believe this person is the holy prophet Mohammed (pbuh). Why we believe Mohammed is more like Moses than any other other prophet mentioned in the bible is another topic entirely.
Now, this is not an attempt to talk to anyone about converting. This is rather proofs to show the God of the bible is also the God of the Muslims. For those saying Allah is an Arab idol, it would surprise you to realize that in the Arab christian bible, God is referred to as Allah. Shocker?? Well, I am not making any of these things up. That is why I put the references there. Just google if you can't get a physical English Quran. I don't want to spark hate but the truth is that, because Islam came way after Christianity, we are harmed with more knowledge about the things that happened in the bible. Some Christians claim the Quran was copied from the bible because most of the content is about the bible and we say no...not copied. It's almost the bible but God decided to throw more light and let whoever read it have more knowledge of what happened in the bible. The Quran and Islam isn't only for Arabs. It's for the world. All of us. For example, Christians generally believe Solomon was a wise King. But do they know how that was?. It's not like he has a reservoir brain for storing all the wisdom he had. The Christian would just agree he was wise and that is that. In the Quran however, God examples to us how he came to be wise. God said he gave Sulaimon (pbuh) the ability to communicate with animals, Jinns(spirits) and the wind. The spirit tells him so many things the normal human doesn't see, the animals especially the birds that travels far in the land comes to his window and they tell him all what they see all around the world. These are the things that made his knowledge grow so much that no one would be that wise as far as worldly intelligence goes. His Israel was the strongest....he could either use the soldiers, or the Jinns(the spirits) or to even be a cheat, use the wind to fight his battles. The Quran tells us all these whereas the Christians do not have this fact. I am not being offensive but the only thing a Christian knows about the Quran is where it is said that Early Muslims should kill the polytheists. This goes way deeper...but don't regard Islam as a religion of the hausas. The Hausas...most are illiterate so sometimes they misunderstand the translation....and don't see Islam as a religion of the Arab. Personally, I don't like the Arabs because Lord forgive me, Arabs are terrible people. Too much racism. Even they lack some of the things they are supposed to take important. Try to look at Islam as a religion that came after Christianity. You could pick up a Quran and read and ask a Muslim for things you do not understand. I am open for such topic as I have a group on whatsapp for this. here is my number 07085169127.

Ah, yes, how can I forget the issues of pedophilia?. Now, the prophet of Islam (pbuh) was gifted with the revelations in two versions...The revelation of the Quran...this he was supposed to record and recite and teach..... then the Revelation of direct Knowledge. When we speak of Holy women, after the mother Mary, Aisha (RA) is the next Muslims are taught to recognize. She was not the only 10 year old at the time the prophet (pbuh) "married" her. Just for evading arguments, I would just agree to that consensus. Marry. Now, she was not the only 10 years old and when God asked him to take her as his wife, he obeyed. You have to understand, these historical men of faith are not people like us with fluctuating faiths. When God tells them GO! that's it, no looking back, no questions, total believe in God. When God told Abraham to kill his son, that was it. That was the order, the next thing is to know when and where the order was to happen. Understand, from the time these people started having communication with God, most of their actions and behavior was divine-related. God told them what to do and they followed. Mohammed (pbuh) was having lots of followers, he could have married any woman which he did after Aisha but if by Marry you assume he was doing with her what couples did, you'd be wrong and may God forgive us all. She became the first woman to memorize the Quran because the prophet (pbuh) taught it to her and it was not until she came of age before she became his practical wife. God wanted to use her as the leading woman of the Arab world and such women aren't women to be seen around. Even Marry lived with her uncle Zachariah, in a house of worship, away from the outside world where temptations might have made her commit sins. So also was the Mother Aisha (RA) saved by God by telling the Prophet to put her under his roof and teach her the Quran. You probably picture a little girl of 10 crying not to be given to this man who is old enough to be her father. LOL. No. She was so happy. She didn't know about Mary then of course but later she got to understand she is one of the holy women to walk the earth. She was in the class of Mary. Prior to that, the Holy Prophet of God was instructed by God that he should take her under his roof. It was such a huge honor and she considered herself blessed. This is the real picture brothers and sisters. Rid yourself of the picture of a pathetic little girl being forced into marriage. LOL.

Another thing to be careful of is that, never once did God ask the prophet (pbuh) to tell his followers to marry 10 year olds. Just as Abraham was not instructed to tell his followers to sacrifice their only sons. Those types of instructions are directly within them and God. He did it but he was not asked to tell the Muslims to do it. The things he was asked to tell the Muslims to do, he told us and we try to live by it. So with all these, how can the Christian still claim we do not worship the same God when I probably know more about the bible stories than the ones the bible was given to?. Please I have said so much but I need people to explain to me the Questions from the bible in the above. I am not one of the Muslims that see a christian as enemy because I know maybe not now, many of you will still see the understanding someday, In sha Allah. It is God's grace to convert, I can not do that, what I can do is what I am doing. Explaining things so you guys can see we are one and almost the same. Just the things surrounding Jesus is what causes our breach. I await someone to answer my questions and ask me more questions about the Quran if need be. To join my whatsapp group where I explain more of the Quran to the best of my ability, please message me on 07085169127. Peace be unto you. You should also read Nehemiah 8 : 4-6 . This is how we Muslims pray, narrated in the bible. How can you not see we worship the same God. The world trying to cover some things up and we muslims can see it maybe not crystal clear yet but we see the parts. We would piece it all together soon. To know more, communicate with us Muslims. Though you know not all Muslims have time to do this LOL so ask people who are inclined. We have come here but to worship the one true God. Let us do that the right way.

enilove:
YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT FOR PROPER UNDERSTANDING , THERE IS NEED TO TAKE THINGS ONE BY ONE. WHICH AND HOW DO YOU EXPECT ANYONE TO ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS , EXCEPT YOU DONT WANT ANY REASONABLE CONTRIBUTIONS.

LASTLY , HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD ?

It is actually. Christians say we don't worship the same God and they quote verses addressed to polytheists but they call they are being addressed to Christians. I am trying to use this to create awareness that it is indeed one and the same God. Now I have asked only 3 questions. The cursing of the fig tree, the 81 times son of man is used as opposed to few mentions of Son of God and finally, how Jesus is legitimate son of God while Ishmael isn't son of Abraham.

Okay I understand these comments but, are you of the Christians that understands that there is a God, and then there is Jesus?. You see, I won't lie to you, I am a slave to the truth and I swear I would not lie. We gain nothing in that. I have come to understand no matter the religion, there would always be sects and branches. This is on deeper study of religions and I have tried to research quite a few. In Islam, we have two major sides, we have the Sunnis and shia and we have some differences....but the Sunnis are more than the shias so majorly the Sunnis dominate. In my study of Christianity, there are many christian divisions. I have these elderly neighbor, she says she is a Mormon and she said Jesus is the third of the God head and therefore, Jesus is God. I love Jesus, I read the bible and I really like the 8 beatitudes on the mountain. I had a little discussion with this woman and I was a bit confused about the nature of Jesus(God) in this verse Mark 11:12–14. I told her I don't think this would have been an attribute of God because 1. Jesus(God) was supposed to know it was not the season of the fig and 2. Rather than curse the fig tree here, God would have done another miracle and make the fig tree bring forth fruit when it was not the time for it.
Later, she told me Jesus was telling a parable to the disciples. I would not take this idea and many more and so she decided she would invite her Bishop from the Jesus Latter day saints to come have a dialogue with me. I can't even call myself a scholar of Islam yet but here I was, supposed to face the highest personnel in the latter day church haha but I assure you, I held up pretty well. I can only say I read lots of scriptures. Just yesterday, the Bishop came over to talk to me and we started to talk. We went back to the cursing of the fig tree and I asked him to explain it to me. He said that part was symbolic of something and I asked what? and he came with the holy spirit and faith thing. I don't like this. I asked him, does this mean, if a man stranded on an island found a bible, he wouldn't be able to understand that this is supposed to be the words of God? So he said something which I want to confirm. He told me that the bible has a lot of interpolations in it and that is owing to the long period of translations. I told him saying a statement like this was equal to shooting oneself in the leg because if a bishop says the bible has been corrupted, how does the christian know which is the interpolation or not??. He came back to the holy spirit and no I won't take it of course. So, here, I would tender my questions.

1. What does the cursing of the fig tree signify?. If you feel this is divinity then please explain how to me.
2. If the bible used "the son of man" 81 times and "the son of God" way less than 12 times in the bible, why do Christians stick to this more?
3. We all would agree that no prophecy would go unfulfilled because Jesus (pbuh) said so and I believe. Prophesies in revelation are different.
They refer to the end times and that was not when Jesus preached although he would return. Now, Jesus was saying no prophecy prior to
and in his time will go unfulfilled. Now there is a certain prophecy which "got away" as it occurs to me because Christians do not refer to it
although Jesus clearly stated it. Matthew 12:38–41. This is the sign of Jonah. I would say this prophecy got away although we Muslims
believe it was fulfilled but the Christians never talk about it. Please explain.
4. This one is actually big because I spend a lot of time thinking about it. It has to do with the BEGOTTEN state of Jesus in legitimacy to being
God's son. We would all agree majority of Christians do not believe that Ishmael is a legitimate son of Abraham, I asked why and they
claimed Isaac was refer to as "my only son" by Abraham in the bible and this is owing to the fact that ABRAHAM AND HAGAR ARE NOT
LEGALLY MARRIED. I would have no disagreement with this concept because it is quite logical as far as legitimacy of marriage goes. But here
is my question. In the beatitude, Jesus said "blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called THE SONS OF GOD". Now I ask, what is
Jesus trying to say here? That the peace makers would be his brothers and sisters?. Would they also be BEGOTTEN sons of God?. A regular
christian would say no. That Jesus is not a mere SON OF GOD but a PRACTICAL, DIRECT AND BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. Now I ask them
to explain this to me. I don't want to believe we need the holy spirit to explain this English Phrases. SON OF GOD and BEGOTTEN SON OF
GOD. The answers I have gotten so far are far from satisfactory and I wonder how Christians do not see the trap in this. If we would break it
down, we would come to the epiphany that Christians have been saying something negative about the Almighty God all along. Let's try to
break it down.

A. Abraham + Sarah(Legally married wife) = BEGOTTEN SON ISAAC
B. Abraham + Hagar (Servant of the Abraham family,no legal marriage, illegal union) = Son Ishmael partial bastard as far as legitimacy goes.
Out of wedlock.


Now Before Mary conceived of Jesus, what would we call Mary?? Servant of God or Daughter of God?? Let's take servant of God first.
If BEGOTTEN means more than just a SON OF GOD.

God + Mary (servant of God, no legal marriage) = Son Jesus.

from B in the above,

God + Mary (servant of God, no legal marriage) = BEGOTTEN son Jesus..partial Bastard as far as legal marriages goes....Out of wedlock.

This is if you agree Mary is a SERVANT OF GOD.

IF Mary is a CHILD OF GOD...

God + Mary (Daughter of God due to divine blessing of the divine womb) = BEGOTTEN Son...Jesus. Incest. THIS IS WORSE.

Now, if the word BEGOTTEN son is to have more value than SON OF GOD Jesus mentioned in the Beatitude, then that means, Christians either calls God a God that practices Incest with his daughter or a God who brought forth a partial Bastard with his servant. In Islam, we don't have all these confusing concepts and yes I would still come back to the Quran and some comments made.

It must be noted I am not trying to offend anyone with these, but let us just consider these things like regular people without the holy spirit. Let's just assume at this moment I am an atheist having issues with the logic behind the state of the Nature of Jesus as a BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. Also please take into accounts what Acts 3 : 25 - 26 says in the King James version vs The New king James version.

I have come to ask a few of the questions here because the Bishop had to tell me he would come another day and have a "proper" conversation with me. I imagine he would prepare a load of defenses for the bible LOL but the more I read the bible, the more Questions I need to ask Christians who believe in the totality of this to be the words of God.

Let me speak a little about the Quran so it isn't one-sided. Everything in the Quran is God's words on the Muslim's part. Now the structure of the Quran is what makes it stand aside from the other scriptural books in the world. It's not in a 3rd person view... for example, the only times when God isn't saying "I am this or that" or "I made this and that.." the Quran shows God to be saying "Remember when WE gave the Israelite dominion over their enemies....". Try to get my drift. Now, you won't find something like "and so Jesus approached a tree and he was hungry..." like it was a story..no. If that was to happen, it would be "remember when WE told Jesus, son of Mary, to approach such and such place.." and when you read this, you understand this is like a manual book where the owner and maker of the book is calling your attention to something. God is always direct. Do this, don't do that EOD. Clear. In some parts, he said "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." Quran 9 : 5. I don't know why Christians genuinely believe this refers to Christians. Polytheists. Are Christians polytheists?. Do you worship multiple gods? A mainstream Christian would ideally not see this as Christians because they don't believe in the Trinity. Rather they believe in one God and maybe Jesus as his son. Either ways, they aren't polytheists. Polytheists were the pagans in Saudi Arabia in those times and besides, there was a treaty. We all know what a treaty is. If our soldiers and boko haram was to have a treaty because the boko haram senses our soldiers over powering them, it means they want to arrive at a consensus, right? A general agreement. Actually, this is a terrible analogy because we have to kill them on sight but I'm just trying to raise the general agreement point. Now, if after the treaty, they continue to go against the agreement, then our soldiers would be ordered by Our president to kill them on sight. Well, why should this be different to what happened in the Quran?. And yes you might want to say there should be freedom of choice. Paganism in Islam is what we call Shirk, and this is the most major sin. The one most hated by God. So worshiping things carved by man or stones and stars or whatever was very annoying to God as he clearly started in the Old Testament that he is a Jealous God.
Now, we Muslims believe every prophet in the bible were Muslims. When you are not a polytheist, then you are a monotheist as long as believing in God goes. It is now in the world that we don't have prophets that people choose to either believe in one God or not. Abraham would never have said "you can choose to believe in God or not". Neither would Moses, nor the others. They all said one thing "Believe in God and worship only God because only him has dominion over all things. Blessed be his name". Mohammed (pbuh) has the most gathering of people who believed in him and that's why he was able to wage wars then. He wouldn't be subjected to humiliation from mere mortals when he was a servant of God. He waged the wars because the enemies of Islam who didn't want the truth would have loved to kill him and silence the truth he was spreading. To us, we call the Jews Yehudi and Christians are Nasara. This isn't gotten from nazareth, no. Nasara means follower of Christ and these were the early disciples because in Quran 61 : 14, God narrated to us that "Jesus asked who would be his followers in worshipping God and the disciples said they were with him". This was said after he he said in this same Quran 61: 5 - 6 "That he has come to bring the gospel and upload the laws of the Torah(Moses's Commandments) and to confirm the coming of someone after him who's name is Ahmad". I'm not making this up, its for real. Later we would find in Deuteronomy 18 - 18 that there was a prophecy about a Prophet to come. He would be like Moses but he would be raised from amongst the brother of the Israelite. We Muslim believe this is the prophecy Jesus was talking about and we believe this person is the holy prophet Mohammed (pbuh). Why we believe Mohammed is more like Moses than any other other prophet mentioned in the bible is another topic entirely.
Now, this is not an attempt to talk to anyone about converting. This is rather proofs to show the God of the bible is also the God of the Muslims. For those saying Allah is an Arab idol, it would surprise you to realize that in the Arab christian bible, God is referred to as Allah. Shocker?? Well, I am not making any of these things up. That is why I put the references there. Just google if you can't get a physical English Quran. I don't want to spark hate but the truth is that, because Islam came way after Christianity, we are harmed with more knowledge about the things that happened in the bible. Some Christians claim the Quran was copied from the bible because most of the content is about the bible and we say no...not copied. It's almost the bible but God decided to throw more light and let whoever read it have more knowledge of what happened in the bible. The Quran and Islam isn't only for Arabs. It's for the world. All of us. For example, Christians generally believe Solomon was a wise King. But do they know how that was?. It's not like he has a reservoir brain for storing all the wisdom he had. The Christian would just agree he was wise and that is that. In the Quran however, God examples to us how he came to be wise. God said he gave Sulaimon (pbuh) the ability to communicate with animals, Jinns(spirits) and the wind. The spirit tells him so many things the normal human doesn't see, the animals especially the birds that travels far in the land comes to his window and they tell him all what they see all around the world. These are the things that made his knowledge grow so much that no one would be that wise as far as worldly intelligence goes. His Israel was the strongest....he could either use the soldiers, or the Jinns(the spirits) or to even be a cheat, use the wind to fight his battles. The Quran tells us all these whereas the Christians do not have this fact. I am not being offensive but the only thing a Christian knows about the Quran is where it is said that Early Muslims should kill the polytheists. This goes way deeper...but don't regard Islam as a religion of the hausas. The Hausas...most are illiterate so sometimes they misunderstand the translation....and don't see Islam as a religion of the Arab. Personally, I don't like the Arabs because Lord forgive me, Arabs are terrible people. Too much racism. Even they lack some of the things they are supposed to take important. Try to look at Islam as a religion that came after Christianity. You could pick up a Quran and read and ask a Muslim for things you do not understand. I am open for such topic as I have a group on whatsapp for this. here is my number 07085169127.

Ah, yes, how can I forget the issues of pedophilia?. Now, the prophet of Islam (pbuh) was gifted with the revelations in two versions...The revelation of the Quran...this he was supposed to record and recite and teach..... then the Revelation of direct Knowledge. When we speak of Holy women, after the mother Mary, Aisha (RA) is the next Muslims are taught to recognize. She was not the only 10 year old at the time the prophet (pbuh) "married" her. Just for evading arguments, I would just agree to that consensus. Marry. Now, she was not the only 10 years old and when God asked him to take her as his wife, he obeyed. You have to understand, these historical men of faith are not people like us with fluctuating faiths. When God tells them GO! that's it, no looking back, no questions, total believe in God. When God told Abraham to kill his son, that was it. That was the order, the next thing is to know when and where the order was to happen. Understand, from the time these people started having communication with God, most of their actions and behavior was divine-related. God told them what to do and they followed. Mohammed (pbuh) was having lots of followers, he could have married any woman which he did after Aisha but if by Marry you assume he was doing with her what couples did, you'd be wrong and may God forgive us all. She became the first woman to memorize the Quran because the prophet (pbuh) taught it to her and it was not until she came of age before she became his practical wife. God wanted to use her as the leading woman of the Arab world and such women aren't women to be seen around. Even Marry lived with her uncle Zachariah, in a house of worship, away from the outside world where temptations might have made her commit sins. So also was the Mother Aisha (RA) saved by God by telling the Prophet to put her under his roof and teach her the Quran. You probably picture a little girl of 10 crying not to be given to this man who is old enough to be her father. LOL. No. She was so happy. She didn't know about Mary then of course but later she got to understand she is one of the holy women to walk the earth. She was in the class of Mary. Prior to that, the Holy Prophet of God was instructed by God that he should take her under his roof. It was such a huge honor and she considered herself blessed. This is the real picture brothers and sisters. Rid yourself of the picture of a pathetic little girl being forced into marriage. LOL.

Another thing to be careful of is that, never once did God ask the prophet (pbuh) to tell his followers to marry 10 year olds. Just as Abraham was not instructed to tell his followers to sacrifice their only sons. Those types of instructions are directly within them and God. He did it but he was not asked to tell the Muslims to do it. The things he was asked to tell the Muslims to do, he told us and we try to live by it. So with all these, how can the Christian still claim we do not worship the same God when I probably know more about the bible stories than the ones the bible was given to?. Please I have said so much but I need people to explain to me the Questions from the bible in the above. I am not one of the Muslims that see a christian as enemy because I know maybe not now, many of you will still see the understanding someday, In sha Allah. It is God's grace to convert, I can not do that, what I can do is what I am doing. Explaining things so you guys can see we are one and almost the same. Just the things surrounding Jesus is what causes our breach. I await someone to answer my questions and ask me more questions about the Quran if need be. To join my whatsapp group where I explain more of the Quran to the best of my ability, please message me on 07085169127. Peace be unto you. You should also read Nehemiah 8 : 4-6 . This is how we Muslims pray, narrated in the bible. How can you not see we worship the same God. The world trying to cover some things up and we muslims can see it maybe not crystal clear yet but we see the parts. We would piece it all together soon. To know more, communicate with us Muslims. Though you know not all Muslims have time to do this LOL so ask people who are inclined. We have come here but to worship the one true God. Let us do that the right way.

Okay I understand these comments but, are you of the Christians that understands that there is a God, and then there is Jesus?. You see, I won't lie to you, I am a slave to the truth and I swear I would not lie. We gain nothing in that. I have come to understand no matter the religion, there would always be sects and branches. This is on deeper study of religions and I have tried to research quite a few. In Islam, we have two major sides, we have the Sunnis and shia and we have some differences....but the Sunnis are more than the shias so majorly the Sunnis dominate. In my study of Christianity, there are many christian divisions. I have these elderly neighbor, she says she is a Mormon and she said Jesus is the third of the God head and therefore, Jesus is God. I love Jesus, I read the bible and I really like the 8 beatitudes on the mountain. I had a little discussion with this woman and I was a bit confused about the nature of Jesus(God) in this verse Mark 11:12–14. I told her I don't think this would have been an attribute of God because 1. Jesus(God) was supposed to know it was not the season of the fig and 2. Rather than curse the fig tree here, God would have done another miracle and make the fig tree bring forth fruit when it was not the time for it.
Later, she told me Jesus was telling a parable to the disciples. I would not take this idea and many more and so she decided she would invite her Bishop from the Jesus Latter day saints to come have a dialogue with me. I can't even call myself a scholar of Islam yet but here I was, supposed to face the highest personnel in the latter day church haha but I assure you, I held up pretty well. I can only say I read lots of scriptures. Just yesterday, the Bishop came over to talk to me and we started to talk. We went back to the cursing of the fig tree and I asked him to explain it to me. He said that part was symbolic of something and I asked what? and he came with the holy spirit and faith thing. I don't like this. I asked him, does this mean, if a man stranded on an island found a bible, he wouldn't be able to understand that this is supposed to be the words of God? So he said something which I want to confirm. He told me that the bible has a lot of interpolations in it and that is owing to the long period of translations. I told him saying a statement like this was equal to shooting oneself in the leg because if a bishop says the bible has been corrupted, how does the christian know which is the interpolation or not??. He came back to the holy spirit and no I won't take it of course. So, here, I would tender my questions.

1. What does the cursing of the fig tree signify?. If you feel this is divinity then please explain how to me.
2. If the bible used "the son of man" 81 times and "the son of God" way less than 12 times in the bible, why do Christians stick to this more?
3. We all would agree that no prophecy would go unfulfilled because Jesus (pbuh) said so and I believe. Prophesies in revelation are different.
They refer to the end times and that was not when Jesus preached although he would return. Now, Jesus was saying no prophecy prior to
and in his time will go unfulfilled. Now there is a certain prophecy which "got away" as it occurs to me because Christians do not refer to it
although Jesus clearly stated it. Matthew 12:38–41. This is the sign of Jonah. I would say this prophecy got away although we Muslims
believe it was fulfilled but the Christians never talk about it. Please explain.
4. This one is actually big because I spend a lot of time thinking about it. It has to do with the BEGOTTEN state of Jesus in legitimacy to being
God's son. We would all agree majority of Christians do not believe that Ishmael is a legitimate son of Abraham, I asked why and they
claimed Isaac was refer to as "my only son" by Abraham in the bible and this is owing to the fact that ABRAHAM AND HAGAR ARE NOT
LEGALLY MARRIED. I would have no disagreement with this concept because it is quite logical as far as legitimacy of marriage goes. But here
is my question. In the beatitude, Jesus said "blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called THE SONS OF GOD". Now I ask, what is
Jesus trying to say here? That the peace makers would be his brothers and sisters?. Would they also be BEGOTTEN sons of God?. A regular
christian would say no. That Jesus is not a mere SON OF GOD but a PRACTICAL, DIRECT AND BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. Now I ask them
to explain this to me. I don't want to believe we need the holy spirit to explain this English Phrases. SON OF GOD and BEGOTTEN SON OF
GOD. The answers I have gotten so far are far from satisfactory and I wonder how Christians do not see the trap in this. If we would break it
down, we would come to the epiphany that Christians have been saying something negative about the Almighty God all along. Let's try to
break it down.

A. Abraham + Sarah(Legally married wife) = BEGOTTEN SON ISAAC
B. Abraham + Hagar (Servant of the Abraham family,no legal marriage, illegal union) = Son Ishmael partial bastard as far as legitimacy goes.
Out of wedlock.


Now Before Mary conceived of Jesus, what would we call Mary?? Servant of God or Daughter of God?? Let's take servant of God first.
If BEGOTTEN means more than just a SON OF GOD.

God + Mary (servant of God, no legal marriage) = Son Jesus.

from B in the above,

God + Mary (servant of God, no legal marriage) = BEGOTTEN son Jesus..partial Bastard as far as legal marriages goes....Out of wedlock.

This is if you agree Mary is a SERVANT OF GOD.

IF Mary is a CHILD OF GOD...

God + Mary (Daughter of God due to divine blessing of the divine womb) = BEGOTTEN Son...Jesus. Incest. THIS IS WORSE.

Now, if the word BEGOTTEN son is to have more value than SON OF GOD Jesus mentioned in the Beatitude, then that means, Christians either calls God a God that practices Incest with his daughter or a God who brought forth a partial Bastard with his servant. In Islam, we don't have all these confusing concepts and yes I would still come back to the Quran and some comments made.

It must be noted I am not trying to offend anyone with these, but let us just consider these things like regular people without the holy spirit. Let's just assume at this moment I am an atheist having issues with the logic behind the state of the Nature of Jesus as a BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. Also please take into accounts what Acts 3 : 25 - 26 says in the King James version vs The New king James version.

I have come to ask a few of the questions here because the Bishop had to tell me he would come another day and have a "proper" conversation with me. I imagine he would prepare a load of defenses for the bible LOL but the more I read the bible, the more Questions I need to ask Christians who believe in the totality of this to be the words of God.

Let me speak a little about the Quran so it isn't one-sided. Everything in the Quran is God's words on the Muslim's part. Now the structure of the Quran is what makes it stand aside from the other scriptural books in the world. It's not in a 3rd person view... for example, the only times when God isn't saying "I am this or that" or "I made this and that.." the Quran shows God to be saying "Remember when WE gave the Israelite dominion over their enemies....". Try to get my drift. Now, you won't find something like "and so Jesus approached a tree and he was hungry..." like it was a story..no. If that was to happen, it would be "remember when WE told Jesus, son of Mary, to approach such and such place.." and when you read this, you understand this is like a manual book where the owner and maker of the book is calling your attention to something. God is always direct. Do this, don't do that EOD. Clear. In some parts, he said "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." Quran 9 : 5. I don't know why Christians genuinely believe this refers to Christians. Polytheists. Are Christians polytheists?. Do you worship multiple gods? A mainstream Christian would ideally not see this as Christians because they don't believe in the Trinity. Rather they believe in one God and maybe Jesus as his son. Either ways, they aren't polytheists. Polytheists were the pagans in Saudi Arabia in those times and besides, there was a treaty. We all know what a treaty is. If our soldiers and boko haram was to have a treaty because the boko haram senses our soldiers over powering them, it means they want to arrive at a consensus, right? A general agreement. Actually, this is a terrible analogy because we have to kill them on sight but I'm just trying to raise the general agreement point. Now, if after the treaty, they continue to go against the agreement, then our soldiers would be ordered by Our president to kill them on sight. Well, why should this be different to what happened in the Quran?. And yes you might want to say there should be freedom of choice. Paganism in Islam is what we call Shirk, and this is the most major sin. The one most hated by God. So worshiping things carved by man or stones and stars or whatever was very annoying to God as he clearly started in the Old Testament that he is a Jealous God.
Now, we Muslims believe every prophet in the bible were Muslims. When you are not a polytheist, then you are a monotheist as long as believing in God goes. It is now in the world that we don't have prophets that people choose to either believe in one God or not. Abraham would never have said "you can choose to believe in God or not". Neither would Moses, nor the others. They all said one thing "Believe in God and worship only God because only him has dominion over all things. Blessed be his name". Mohammed (pbuh) has the most gathering of people who believed in him and that's why he was able to wage wars then. He wouldn't be subjected to humiliation from mere mortals when he was a servant of God. He waged the wars because the enemies of Islam who didn't want the truth would have loved to kill him and silence the truth he was spreading. To us, we call the Jews Yehudi and Christians are Nasara. This isn't gotten from nazareth, no. Nasara means follower of Christ and these were the early disciples because in Quran 61 : 14, God narrated to us that "Jesus asked who would be his followers in worshipping God and the disciples said they were with him". This was said after he he said in this same Quran 61: 5 - 6 "That he has come to bring the gospel and upload the laws of the Torah(Moses's Commandments) and to confirm the coming of someone after him who's name is Ahmad". I'm not making this up, its for real. Later we would find in Deuteronomy 18 - 18 that there was a prophecy about a Prophet to come. He would be like Moses but he would be raised from amongst the brother of the Israelite. We Muslim believe this is the prophecy Jesus was talking about and we believe this person is the holy prophet Mohammed (pbuh). Why we believe Mohammed is more like Moses than any other other prophet mentioned in the bible is another topic entirely.
Now, this is not an attempt to talk to anyone about converting. This is rather proofs to show the God of the bible is also the God of the Muslims. For those saying Allah is an Arab idol, it would surprise you to realize that in the Arab christian bible, God is referred to as Allah. Shocker?? Well, I am not making any of these things up. That is why I put the references there. Just google if you can't get a physical English Quran. I don't want to spark hate but the truth is that, because Islam came way after Christianity, we are harmed with more knowledge about the things that happened in the bible. Some Christians claim the Quran was copied from the bible because most of the content is about the bible and we say no...not copied. It's almost the bible but God decided to throw more light and let whoever read it have more knowledge of what happened in the bible. The Quran and Islam isn't only for Arabs. It's for the world. All of us. For example, Christians generally believe Solomon was a wise King. But do they know how that was?. It's not like he has a reservoir brain for storing all the wisdom he had. The Christian would just agree he was wise and that is that. In the Quran however, God examples to us how he came to be wise. God said he gave Sulaimon (pbuh) the ability to communicate with animals, Jinns(spirits) and the wind. The spirit tells him so many things the normal human doesn't see, the animals especially the birds that travels far in the land comes to his window and they tell him all what they see all around the world. These are the things that made his knowledge grow so much that no one would be that wise as far as worldly intelligence goes. His Israel was the strongest....he could either use the soldiers, or the Jinns(the spirits) or to even be a cheat, use the wind to fight his battles. The Quran tells us all these whereas the Christians do not have this fact. I am not being offensive but the only thing a Christian knows about the Quran is where it is said that Early Muslims should kill the polytheists. This goes way deeper...but don't regard Islam as a religion of the hausas. The Hausas...most are illiterate so sometimes they misunderstand the translation....and don't see Islam as a religion of the Arab. Personally, I don't like the Arabs because Lord forgive me, Arabs are terrible people. Too much racism. Even they lack some of the things they are supposed to take important. Try to look at Islam as a religion that came after Christianity. You could pick up a Quran and read and ask a Muslim for things you do not understand. I am open for such topic as I have a group on whatsapp for this. here is my number 07085169127.

Ah, yes, how can I forget the issues of pedophilia?. Now, the prophet of Islam (pbuh) was gifted with the revelations in two versions...The revelation of the Quran...this he was supposed to record and recite and teach..... then the Revelation of direct Knowledge. When we speak of Holy women, after the mother Mary, Aisha (RA) is the next Muslims are taught to recognize. She was not the only 10 year old at the time the prophet (pbuh) "married" her. Just for evading arguments, I would just agree to that consensus. Marry. Now, she was not the only 10 years old and when God asked him to take her as his wife, he obeyed. You have to understand, these historical men of faith are not people like us with fluctuating faiths. When God tells them GO! that's it, no looking back, no questions, total believe in God. When God told Abraham to kill his son, that was it. That was the order, the next thing is to know when and where the order was to happen. Understand, from the time these people started having communication with God, most of their actions and behavior was divine-related. God told them what to do and they followed. Mohammed (pbuh) was having lots of followers, he could have married any woman which he did after Aisha but if by Marry you assume he was doing with her what couples did, you'd be wrong and may God forgive us all. She became the first woman to memorize the Quran because the prophet (pbuh) taught it to her and it was not until she came of age before she became his practical wife. God wanted to use her as the leading woman of the Arab world and such women aren't women to be seen around. Even Marry lived with her uncle Zachariah, in a house of worship, away from the outside world where temptations might have made her commit sins. So also was the Mother Aisha (RA) saved by God by telling the Prophet to put her under his roof and teach her the Quran. You probably picture a little girl of 10 crying not to be given to this man who is old enough to be her father. LOL. No. She was so happy. She didn't know about Mary then of course but later she got to understand she is one of the holy women to walk the earth. She was in the class of Mary. Prior to that, the Holy Prophet of God was instructed by God that he should take her under his roof. It was such a huge honor and she considered herself blessed. This is the real picture brothers and sisters. Rid yourself of the picture of a pathetic little girl being forced into marriage. LOL.

Another thing to be careful of is that, never once did God ask the prophet (pbuh) to tell his followers to marry 10 year olds. Just as Abraham was not instructed to tell his followers to sacrifice their only sons. Those types of instructions are directly within them and God. He did it but he was not asked to tell the Muslims to do it. The things he was asked to tell the Muslims to do, he told us and we try to live by it. So with all these, how can the Christian still claim we do not worship the same God when I probably know more about the bible stories than the ones the bible was given to?. Please I have said so much but I need people to explain to me the Questions from the bible in the above. I am not one of the Muslims that see a christian as enemy because I know maybe not now, many of you will still see the understanding someday, In sha Allah. It is God's grace to convert, I can not do that, what I can do is what I am doing. Explaining things so you guys can see we are one and almost the same. Just the things surrounding Jesus is what causes our breach. I await someone to answer my questions and ask me more questions about the Quran if need be. To join my whatsapp group where I explain more of the Quran to the best of my ability, please message me on 07085169127. Peace be unto you. You should also read Nehemiah 8 : 4-6 . This is how we Muslims pray, narrated in the bible. How can you not see we worship the same God. The world trying to cover some things up and we muslims can see it maybe not crystal clear yet but we see the parts. We would piece it all together soon. To know more, communicate with us Muslims. Though you know not all Muslims have time to do this LOL so ask people who are inclined. We have come here but to worship the one true God. Let us do that the right way.

Hello brethrens, I was only wondering why so many religious people of the christian faith conclude on this topic. Why do they prefer to clarify it as "God of the bible vs god of the Quran". Why do you want to believe that we serve a different God? I really would like to have a discussion with a christian.

Phyde:
You just made me to start falling in love with Islam for typing the truth. God bless you sir.

Haha. I am a slave to the truth sir. Truth is, we aren't different that much. Just some confusing things have happened which has caused a breach between the two faiths. Ideally we are all living according to the 10 commandments. We love and respect Jesus as well as his mother. Extremism is just what pushes outsiders away from looking deeper into Islam. Considering another faith isn't necessarily because one is looking to convert... I read a lot of other scriptures. Majoring the Bible. The others includes litle knowledge of Buddhism Hinduism, zoroasterianism... To name a few. After all, there is as much sense in Hafiz as is in Horace, and as much sense in the world.


And oh... BTW... I really love the preaching on the mountain... The 8 beatitudes to be precise. I do love Jesus.

8744Kin:
If they mock your imams the way you mock Pastors, you will have started your jihad.

#mindyourbusiness

Bro calm down. Look I'm a Muslim too and we also have our problems. Big problems to be honest but the reason it's less obvious is Sharia. All those natural attractions you guys speak of is what Islam tries to curb by making the women cover up alot of their bodies. God knows our nature is easily attracted to the opposite sex but then it has to begin from what one sees. It would be less disturbing if we don't see things that arouse us. And I am not saying that makes us holy or follow the laws lol. There are many amongst us worse than anything you can imagine so don't bother if one Muslim is trying to make us appear like angels lol. No matter how much we try to rep our faith, the truth must be said. And the truth is, the devil is using this sex of a thing to destroy us. Being someone who tries to be very religious, and seeing what's happening around... I am losing faith so much in women and marriage. I mean, it's hard to see people (ladies especially) who are trying to be pious and who aren't trying to emulate the Vogue in the world now. Everyone wants to live life the way the west does. Before, you're castigated if you aren't a virgin before marriage.... Now, if you are a virgin, they look at us like pest lol. And this is exactly what the scriptures preach. How things change. May God forgive us all is the prayer. We need grace to withstand temptation... But Islam still has tried to curb the events leading to these things. The rest would be human desire and there will be a day of retribution when the sun will be lowered to our heads and our brains would almost fry. Judgement day will not go unfulfilled. Let's all have that at the back of our minds.

AreaFada2:
Who says?

But in Christianity you have freedom to obey the Bible's teaching or not able. God gives us free will.

Just because Christians do not behead or cut off limbs or give lashes of cane doesn't mean the religion allows those sins.

The basis is that everyone will face judgement of final day. We will then have to give account individually. Until the you are to obey the Bible for your own salvation. QED.

Not to start comparative talks but for Islam, punishment for adultery is stoning to death, while for fornication is 100 lashes first then stoning to death. Sunni practice and ideally this is for atonement. Lev 20:10 and Deu 22:22 also clearly states that the punishment for fornication and adultery is death as well. This isn't happening in churches alone. Just yesterday, my cousin brought an "hajia" completely covered to my house and you know the rest. I was shocked... I mean, I dey fear when me sef go marry now. Wetin remain? Already I feel cheated LOL because the women one actually has hopes on are actually just pretenders. May God have mercy on us all. Anyways, back to the topic is that, Christianity has gone soft with the upholding of those laws while the Sharia hasn't.... At least, not if you are caught. We can't say fornication is not a sin in Christianity, it's just the practice of upholding the punishments has been neglected and that's why it looks more obvious in Christianity. But this is something to look into because it will destroy our society. The amount of kids being brought out of wedlock is massive. It's like girls want to be addressed as baby mamas these days... Lord save our soul.